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Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.05 10:20:00 - [1] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 05/09/2007 10:25:47 Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 05/09/2007 10:24:08 Almost every day someone seems to post on this forum and ask how to use mobile laboratories, so I thought I'd try and answer all the common questions (and some of the less common ones) in one thread. Labs are intimately tied to corp structure and POS management- two of the most complex and nebulous parts of the game- so perhaps it's not surprising that a lot of people are confused about them. 1. How can I do research without keeping my BPOs at the POS? The BPOs have to be in a corp hangar in an Outpost or NPC station in the same solar system as the POS. You will need the skill Scientific Networking I to start a job in this manner. 2. Can I start jobs when the BPOs are many jumps away? Yes, provided that they are set up as described above, and you have the necessary level of Scientific Networking. You're limited to regional range (at level V). 3. How do I set the fees people pay to use my labs? Once you've got all your labs anchored, right click on them and give each one a unique name. You don't have to do this, but it makes it much easier to manage large numbers of labs. Then go to the Installations tab of the Science & Industry screen. Select one lab (the names you entered should be listed) and then hold shift + click to select all slots of one type. Then a 'Manage Assemblylines' button will appear. Here's an example of what this looks like: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/KzIg/lab_setup.JPG 4. How can alliance members use my labs? Your alliance mates need to get their own corp hangars in the same system and keep their BPOs there. They can then start jobs remotely. At the moment, only ME and PE research is possible, and only for blueprints that don't need any materials for those types of research. This is a completely secure means of research. The tower owner has no opportunity to steal any blueprints from alliance members in other corporations. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.05 10:21:00 - [2] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 05/09/2007 10:25:59 5. How can my corp members use my labs? This is messier, and requires trust in both directions. Unless you're a director, you need the following roles/permissions: Factory Manager Rent research slot Take access to a corp wallet division (unless the labs are free to use). Take access to a corp hangar division. . N.B. Factory Managers can cancel production/research jobs started by anyone in the corp, not just their own jobs. Do not give this role to people you don't trust! With this setup, people can do remote ME/PE research and copying. Copies appear in the labs at the POS when jobs are delivered, so someone with POS access has to retrieve them. Invention jobs can only be started when you're floating in space right next to the labs. If you want people to be able to retrieve copies and provide their own materials for jobs, they'll need starbase access. The exact roles you need to give your researchers depend on the role requirements you set via the 'Access' tab of the POS management screen (right click tower -> Manage -> Structures -> Access). They'll also need hangar take (other) for the division hangar they'll be using for their jobs. If you want a few researchers to be able to access the labs and keep the rest of the corp out, one option is to set the access requirement to 'Caretaker' and give your researchers the 'Fuel Technician' role, then only allow config managers to refuel the POS. Our lives would be easier if there was a dedicated starbase research role, but for now we have to be creative. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.05 10:22:00 - [3] Reserved. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
PuJu Sovereign Corp	Posted - 2007.09.05 12:03:00 - [4] Nice guide, answered a few questions I had. Thanks!
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.09.05 13:36:00 - [5] How do you research tech II blueprints at a POS without having the blueprint there?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.05 13:55:00 - [6] I've updated the answer to the #1 to include this. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.09.06 00:42:00 - [7] Excellent guide. I hope you don't mind if I submit a link to the Useful Links thread at the top of this forum? -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Ghirard Crimson Star Empire FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.06 05:32:00 - [8] I have a POS Lab, have all requisite roles / skills... I have no take access to any corp wallet, i have put access or give access if u will. The fee's for both install/hour are 0.00 and it still complains that i need take access on at least one corp wallet to install my job. Wondering if there is something i'm missing?
Horoc'h Ryydell Gallente Midnight Enterprises	Posted - 2007.09.06 07:39:00 - [9] The guide is wrong in stating you don't need wallet access if the costs are 0. You always need wallet access. Or at least, as far as I know. -- We are Recruiting! (New players welcome and trained)
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.06 11:14:00 - [10] Thank you, this has now been corrected. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats

Bublim	Posted - 2007.09.06 14:49:00 - [11] Nice guide! Looking forward to upgrading some labs to advanced versions! One thing though: Quote: Invention jobs can only be started when you're floating in space right next to the labs. This statement isn't correct. If you leave all your invention materials in the lab you will be using to invent, as well as a single BPC, you can start invention jobs using BPCs from a corp hangar in the same system. The invention job will be satisfied with the copy present in the lab, which allows you to start the job, but will consume the BPC from the corp hangar.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.06 15:25:00 - [12] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 06/09/2007 15:32:31 I wonder whether that behaviour is by design? It's almost an almost useless feature as far as I can tell; it's usually much less work just to leave the BPCs in the labs. I suppose the only advantage it has is that the BPC will be viewable from the 'Corp Blueprints' screen, allowing people to start jobs remotely if they have everything in place. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.09.06 15:36:00 - [13] Very helpful. Bookmarking == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Pakalolo Tha Shiznit	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:07:00 - [14] How do I rent out lab slots publically? (to those not in corp/alliance)
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:15:00 - [15] Alas, this is impossible. Slots are shown (to Alliance/Corp members only) as being 'Publicly Available', but they aren't; this is why research alliances are so popular at the moment. Zzz is such an alliance Anyway, I've added this to the list... My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:22:00 - [16] On a less technical note, if I was looking to setup a research POS or two and make it publically available for a fee, what sort of qualities am I looking for in the system I would setup these research POSes? It seems that research slots in stations are always booked, and I would like to have my own research POS, but would like to make some cash off of it, but I just can't decide what sort of system I should make my goal for anchoring my first POS. Any advice appreciated. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.06 19:17:00 - [17] Well, here's a list of things to think about: Does the system have at least one available moon? Are any offices available in the system? If so, how many? How much do they cost? What is the security level of the system? How do you plan to obtain the necessary standings to anchor your tower(s) there? How far is the system from the nearest trade hub? Which alliance are you going to join? Is that alliance already operating a tower in that area? Are any competing alliances operating nearby? If so, what are their rates? How will you pay for fuel if you don't get very many customers? Many operators provide alliance research slots at what would be a loss if that was the only source of income from their towers. It is unlikely that you would achieve a profit just from other people doing their research at your tower. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Braaage eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.09.07 12:00:00 - [18] These are incorrect Take access to a corp wallet division (even if the labs are free to use). Take access to a corp hangar division. If the lab slots have 0 installation cost and 0 charge then corp wallet access isn't required (this is on the Sisi build) You specially do not need and should not give take access to the corp hangar with BPOs in them. You don't need take access to put BPOs in labs just be able to see the BPOs. 2. Can I start jobs when the BPOs are many jumps away? I would change that title it's slightly misleading, more like: 2. Can I start jobs when I am many jumps away from my BPOs and POS? Otherwise good stuff, you even taught an old dog some new tricks -- eve-guides.com POS, Outpost and Sovereignty info Now includes setting up POSs in Empire
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.07 14:55:00 - [19] The question of whether or not you give your corp researchers take access depends on who owns the blueprints that are being researched, and how much they trust each other. If you want to let people get on with their own research, it's a pain for someone else to have to hand over everything for them. As for wallet access, I expect most corps could spare a division to use for paying fees. Other people have claimed the opposite of what you've stated regarding free labs, so I'll wait until I get a chance to test it myself. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Braaage eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.09.07 15:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 07/09/2007 15:17:54 The question of whether or not you give your corp researchers take access depends on who owns the blueprints that are being researched, and how much they trust each other. If you want to let people get on with their own research, it's a pain for someone else to have to hand over everything for them. As for wallet access, I expect most corps could spare a division to use for paying fees. Other people have claimed the opposite of what you've stated regarding free labs, so I'll wait until I get a chance to test it myself. EDIT: I've tested this on TQ and it works. The guide has now been reverted Tested what in relation to what and which way works? -- eve-guides.com POS, Outpost and Sovereignty info Now includes setting up POSs in Empire

Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.07 15:31:00 - [21] The bit with the note in green to one side of it. (free jobs don't require wallet take access) My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Ghirard Crimson Star Empire FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.08 05:22:00 - [22] I still can't start jobs, still receive error requiring corp wallet divison access. Guess i should petition it?
Ghirard Crimson Star Empire FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.08 05:26:00 - [23] The price to install/per hour is 0.0 isk, should it say something like free instead?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.08 08:54:00 - [24] No; if both costs are zero, you should be able to use the slots. I ought to admit at this point that the test I did was with a rapid assembly array rather than a lab - perhaps access requirements are slightly different? My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Daniel Zbacnik Caldari The Inquisitors	Posted - 2007.09.13 04:18:00 - [25] Concerning #11. Question: Is it possible to allow members from one corp to access the ME/PE lab slots at a POS in another corp? Even if the corps aren't in the same alliance?
Crafty McBuildsalot	Posted - 2007.09.13 09:25:00 - [26] Some questions I'd love to see answered, either here, or if someone can link me to more information elsewhere. 1. What about manufacturing? Is there any level of remote manufacturing possible using ship assembly or module assembly arrays? If minerals are in the outpost/npc station, etc... Or are you limited to using a factory slot at the outpost/NPC station. (I live in 0.0, so it's always outposts for me.) 2. How about copying? If you do a copy of a BPO that you have query-only access to, can you redirect the copy to a second hangar that you have read-write access to? Basically I'm looking for a formula for 'safe' use of expensive BPOs by corp members, even allowing them to make copies for their personal profit. (I don't care what they do with copies, so long as the original is safe.)
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.13 11:30:00 - [27] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 13/09/2007 11:32:10 Originally by: Crafty McBuildsalot Some questions I'd love to see answered, either here, or if someone can link me to more information elsewhere. 1. What about manufacturing? Is there any level of remote manufacturing possible using ship assembly or module assembly arrays? If minerals are in the outpost/npc station, etc... Or are you limited to using a factory slot at the outpost/NPC station. (I live in 0.0, so it's always outposts for me.) Remote manufacturing works in exactly the same way - materials have to be at the POS in the array, and the blueprint has to be in a corp hangar in a station/outpost in the same system. You can then start the job from various distances within the region depending on your level of Supply Chain Management. Quote: 2. How about copying? If you do a copy of a BPO that you have query-only access to, can you redirect the copy to a second hangar that you have read-write access to? Basically I'm looking for a formula for 'safe' use of expensive BPOs by corp members, even allowing them to make copies for their personal profit. (I don't care what they do with copies, so long as the original is safe.) Copies always end up in the mobile lab, in the specified corp hangar division. You have several options: Grant no further access and retrieve the BPCs yourself. Set your researching corp mate up so that they are 'Based At' the solar system with the POS in it. Then grant them take access to a division under the 'Other' heading, but not at the 'Based At' heading. Get a director to lock down the BPOs and give your researchers access to whatever divisions you like- your researchers will not be able to remove the BPOs unless a majority of shareholders votes in favour of it, or someone unrents the office, retrieves the BPO from the impound hangar and gives it to them (this is petitionable). For the second two options, you will need to give your researchers sufficient roles to access the labs at the POS - I've already posted a couple of suggestions on how this can be done. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Aykido Gallente Lobster of Babel	Posted - 2007.09.13 11:53:00 - [28] Nice guide: Regarding #10: A BPC copy does not need to be at the lab input hangar for remote installation of invention jobs. (everything else has to, including the optional decryptors and base items, if these are used). The install screen will tell you that the BPC is missing, but the job will still be installed. Note also that there is a 5 minute delay in the appearance of these optional ingredients if a manager places them there for remote invention for another member. Re-logging is the only workaround. Manufacturing is exactly the same as copying, T2 research etc. in the respect that only corp members can use these features. Other alliance corps can not deploy their own corp hangars at your POS, and their members cannot be granted access to your hangars. Selling PERFECT PRINTS of 674 of the 730 seeded T1 BPOs: Ships, modules, rigs, drones, ammo, probes, components and capital mods, drones & ammo. (Cap Ships, Cap Components and Outposts 2007/2008)
Dr Ming Mindworks	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:50:00 - [29] What happens to a BPO that your researching from a station hanger, and the mobile lab is destroyed while it is in research?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.13 18:43:00 - [30] Once I've tested that on singularity, I'll tell you. I expect the job is cancelled and you get the BPO back. While I'm there, I'll check what happens if the lab is unanchored & repackaged. What I can tell you right now, however, is that jobs are paused when labs go offline, and resume when the labs go back online. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats

Dr Ming Mindworks	Posted - 2007.09.14 05:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 13/09/2007 22:25:16 Once I've tested that on singularity, I'll tell you. I expect the job is cancelled and you get the BPO back. While I'm there, I'll check what happens if the lab is unanchored & repackaged. What I can tell you right now, however, is that jobs are paused when labs go offline, and resume when the labs go back online. EDIT: One test server POS siege later... The job first goes to the 'Offline' state when the tower is destroyed. Then, when the lab is destroyed, it is automatically cancelled and the BPO returns to the corp hangar it was in when the job was started. Great information.
Crafty McBuildsalot	Posted - 2007.09.14 22:52:00 - [32] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Remote manufacturing works in exactly the same way - materials have to be at the POS in the array, and the blueprint has to be in a corp hangar in a station/outpost in the same system. You can then start the job from various distances within the region depending on your level of Supply Chain Management. OK, I'd like to clarify this a little as I'm really looking to shape this into a HOWTO. Let's assume the following: Corp hangar has the following divisions: Minerals (Read only) BPOs (Read only) Corp General (Read/Write) If a person has query-only, no take, on the BPO hangar, they can drop minerals into the mineral hangar, and produce from there. Will they be able to set the job's output to be the Corp General hangar? (I see the input/output dropdowns, but not real clear on how they operate.) Will they need take on the mineral hangar, or can I set that to query only. (You can add to a hangar with query I think, just not remove.) Is the above hanger layout one that many corps use? Is there a better setup? Quote: Copies always end up in the mobile lab, in the specified corp hangar division. Is the 'specified' hangar division selectable when the job is submitted? i.e., with the above hangar setup, can I make a copy of a BPO from the BPO hangar and have the copies come out in Corp General? (That way people can pick up their own output.)
Crafty McBuildsalot	Posted - 2007.09.14 23:00:00 - [33] Oh, the director lockdown option, is that just a right click and 'lock item' like it is in secure containers? (I'd never seen this before.) If an item is locked in a hanger that otherwise everyone has take access on, it still cannot be taken?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.15 09:46:00 - [34] The input hangar is where materials for jobs are taken from, and the output hangar is where BPCs or manufactured items appear when the job is delivered. The input hangar doesn't have to be the hangar that the BPOs are kept in. You can give people take access to an (empty) output hangar division and query access to an input division, allowing them to produce things without being able to steal the entire corp supply of raw materials. I have no idea which setups are most commonly used. To lock down BPOs, a director right-clicks them when they're in a corp hangar, and selects 'Propose lockdown vote'. The BPO is temporarily locked down, and all the corp's shareholders get an eve-mail about the vote and can vote for or against the lockdown (Corp -> Politics -> Sanctionable Actions -> Not in effect). Once a majority has been reached in favour, the lockdown continues indefinitely, until a majority of shareholders votes to rescind the lock. If a majority is never reached in the original lockdown vote, I think the BPO loses the temporary lock. While a BPO is locked down, there is no legitimate means by which anyone can take it, even the CEO. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Calidor Droks Caldari No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.15 12:14:00 - [35] What if there are no shares or only the CEO has shares can he/she lock them down alone ?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.15 13:46:00 - [36] I think all corps start with 1000 shares - in the corp wallet. I haven't tested what happens if none of the shares are held by individual characters. If one director/CEO holds more than 50% of the shares, that person can lock/unlock BPOs on their own. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Crafty McBuildsalot	Posted - 2007.09.16 06:50:00 - [37] Rather than locking down each BPO, the idea of an entire query-only BPO hanger seems simpler. Anyone could drop a BPO in there for corp use. People could make copies into an empty corp hangar and pick up the copies that way. So does my proposed hangar setup sound like it would work? Does it make sense to label it a 'good idea'? * Minerals (Query) <-- Miners drop minerals here. (At POS) * BPOs (Query) <-- Directors acquire BPOs and put there here. Anyone can add ME to them in a lab. (This can be at the outpost, even when manufacturing, yes?) * Output (Take) <-- Usually empty. Output of the jobs people run. BPCs from copy jobs or items/ships from manufacturing jobs.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.16 08:22:00 - [38] Originally by: Crafty McBuildsalot Rather than locking down each BPO, the idea of an entire query-only BPO hanger seems simpler. Anyone could drop a BPO in there for corp use. People could make copies into an empty corp hangar and pick up the copies that way. So does my proposed hangar setup sound like it would work? Does it make sense to label it a 'good idea'? * Minerals (Query) <-- Miners drop minerals here. (At POS) * BPOs (Query) <-- Directors acquire BPOs and put there here. Anyone can add ME to them in a lab. (This can be at the outpost, even when manufacturing, yes?) * Output (Take) <-- Usually empty. Output of the jobs people run. BPCs from copy jobs or items/ships from manufacturing jobs. Yes, that'd work. Locking is still a good idea for especially valuable BPOs. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Lashandra Korona	Posted - 2007.09.16 13:43:00 - [39] Great post thanks it answered alot of my questions about labs.
Frieghterbabe Material Efficiency	Posted - 2007.09.16 19:41:00 - [40] 10. Is it possible to start invention jobs remotely? Sigh. Yes, but only if... * All materials required are in the lab, in one single hangar division. * The BPC you want to invent from is in a corp hangar in a station/outpost in the same system as the POS. * There is a second BPC from the same BPO in the lab along with the other materials (this isn't consumed when the job is run). ---------- You do NOT need to have a second BPC in the lab, you can ignore the lacking BPC message and accept the job, and it will start.

Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.17 08:34:00 - [41] Ok, I've corrected this. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
RaggiT	Posted - 2007.09.17 10:54:00 - [42] thx for a very helpfull guide. but i have a problem i have a office that is 7 jumps away from my pos lab i have sientific networking lvl 4 but still it refuses to alowe me to do resertch remotly did i miss some thing ? right now im thinking that since i have to select entire region to see the labs in the menue that is prbly what is wrong but at the same time i dont want to train a skill to lvl 5 for no reson. oh wise master you who are strong in the way of the pos labs plz plz plz help me
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:05:00 - [43] Try reading the answers to questions 1 & 2 My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
RaggiT	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:39:00 - [44] :¦ i did and there are 7 jumps from my office to my pos i have SN lvl 4 withc shoud alowe me to do resertch 20 jumps away those 7 jumps take me to a difrent constalation there for i need to select "entire region" on the drop down menue but i shoud still be well with in my range skill wise also there are no materials requiered, the char is a director and shoud there for have all roles now what am i missing right now im thinking that the discription of the skill is just very missleading
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.17 13:45:00 - [45] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 17/09/2007 13:47:27 I'm sorry if this escaped your notice. I tried to make it fairly prominent, but I can only use so much bold, you know: Originally by: RaggiT :¦ there are 7 jumps from my office to my pos Originally by: me The BPOs have to be in a corp hangar in an Outpost or NPC station in the same solar system as the POS. EDIT: In your honour, I've bolded this section in the original post as well. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
RaggiT	Posted - 2007.09.17 16:20:00 - [46] Edited by: RaggiT on 17/09/2007 16:21:55 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 17/09/2007 13:47:27 I'm sorry if this escaped your notice. I tried to make it fairly prominent, but I can only use so much bold, you know: Originally by: RaggiT :¦ there are 7 jumps from my office to my pos Originally by: me The BPOs have to be in a corp hangar in an Outpost or NPC station in the same solar system as the POS. Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro 2. Can I start jobs when the BPOs are many jumps away? Yes, provided that they are set up as described above, and you have the necessary level of Scientific Networking. You're limited to regional range (at level V). EDIT: In your honour, I've bolded this section in the original post as well. was confusing me but i see your point now thx for the help
Takashi Kurosawa The Patriot Society Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2007.09.17 23:00:00 - [47] I have a research alt which I have not yet trained Scientific Networking I on. When I fly out right next to the Lab and try to start a research job I get the error "Cannot establish contact with the Science & Industry facility. If it is in a different system you might have to travel closer.". The proper roles according to this guide have been granted to the character. Does anyone have any idea what this is about?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.18 11:59:00 - [48] I haven't seen that particular message before. You could try training the skill to level 1 and see if that makes a difference (it shouldn't take more than a day or so at most). You don't mention where the BPOs in question were located. Were they in the lab itself? My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Takashi Kurosawa The Patriot Society Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2007.09.18 12:31:00 - [49] The BPOs were located in the ship's cargohold. I tried moving them to the Lab after recieving the error message, but then I get a message saying something to the effect of "you have to be a Fuel Technician to do this". I am going to train Scientific Networking I on the alt since he already has the prerequisite skills, but was just wondering if anyone else had experienced this error.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.18 13:09:00 - [50] I expect that once you're able to put your BPOs in the lab your problems will be over; you should be able to start a job (while your ship is within 3km of the lab) without needing to train scientific networking. The exact roles you require in order to do this will depend on how the POS owner has set things up. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats

Mhorbaine	Posted - 2007.09.18 22:40:00 - [51] I am intending to use the POS for a friends access only (via remotes if possible) and have read thru your FAQ at the top (v nice guide btw) and have a small question to clarify something According to the ss you have posted i can leave the other standings as default (to allow all friendlies to use it regardless of sec rating etc) but so long as the "minimum standing" filter is checked to a certain value (i.e +5) then to access it people would have to have that +standing to the corp who owns the pos to access it?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.19 09:20:00 - [52] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 19/09/2007 09:24:18 It should work, but don't get your hopes up. I tested the sec status filter recently, and people were still able to install jobs even with the requirement of a min sec status of 10 and the restriction mask set. EDIT: also, I think the standing has to be from the corp that owns the POS to the corp starting the job, not to it. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.29 10:02:00 - [53] I'm bumping this thread because so many people have been starting new ones that ask the same questions covered here. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.09.29 21:27:00 - [54] I am experiencing a bit of a problem. When I try to install a research job in the advanced mobile lab the little bar appears that says "Generating Quote" after I have choosen the BPO, installation and all that. But the bar fills and nothing ever happens. My game just sits at that screen until I hit escape and try again, but it never works. I am almost 100% sure all my permissions are set okay, at least in the corp management portion. Am I msising something on the lab itself or the control tower? Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Braaage eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.09.29 22:34:00 - [55] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn I am experiencing a bit of a problem. When I try to install a research job in the advanced mobile lab the little bar appears that says "Generating Quote" after I have choosen the BPO, installation and all that. But the bar fills and nothing ever happens. My game just sits at that screen until I hit escape and try again, but it never works. I am almost 100% sure all my permissions are set okay, at least in the corp management portion. Am I msising something on the lab itself or the control tower? Start the job from your corp hangar not your own hangar. -- eve-guides.com POS, Outpost and Sovereignty info Now includes setting up POSs in Empire
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.09.29 22:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Braaage Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn I am experiencing a bit of a problem. When I try to install a research job in the advanced mobile lab the little bar appears that says "Generating Quote" after I have choosen the BPO, installation and all that. But the bar fills and nothing ever happens. My game just sits at that screen until I hit escape and try again, but it never works. I am almost 100% sure all my permissions are set okay, at least in the corp management portion. Am I msising something on the lab itself or the control tower? Start the job from your corp hangar not your own hangar. BPO is in corporate hanger. Character has every roll except director itself. Character has Scientific Networking 4 and is in same system as BPO and POS at the station with the corp hanger. I can pick the installation, I can click the BPO, I can chose 20 runs, and then hit ok, and it starts to generate quote and freezes/hangs when the bar fills and never does anything. I can hit escape and the screen goes away and the game is playing fine. Relogging doesn't help. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.30 08:50:00 - [57] Your best bet is to take down the lab, repackage it at a station and try again. The same problem occasionally occurs with assembly arrays, though I haven't been able to reproduce it. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Lorune Gallente Thundercats	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:56:00 - [58] Ok i know i am missing a role in the corp most likely i just dont know which one. I placed a Lab, its working, i can research at it, i just cant seem to manage the assembly lines. So my question is what role am i missing to do that ? :)
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.02 17:22:00 - [59] I'm not certain, but I strongly suspect that the required role is Station Manager. Directors can also do this, of course. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Laendra	Posted - 2007.10.02 19:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro 1. How can I do research without keeping my BPOs at the POS? The BPOs have to be in a corp hangar in an Outpost or NPC station in the same solar system as the POS. You will need the skill Scientific Networking I to start a job in this manner. If any materials are required for the research, they must be placed (in advance) in the matching corp hangar division in the lab used to do the research. Correction, you do not need Scientific Networking to do this. If you don't have the skill trained, simply fly out to the lab module, and you can install the job from the station corp hangar just fine. -------------------

Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.03 07:48:00 - [61] I can't test this, as all my alts already have the skill trained. I'll have to create a new one on Sisi... My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Heimer	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:42:00 - [62] OK sort of bump, but a question too: Does system security make any difference to research labs? Suppose I'm setting up a high sec POS... should I find a .5? or does a .6 or .7 work exactly the same (save for having to get higher faction rep for .6 and .7) Cheers! (and thanks for collecting this info in one place. crap like this should be in the player guide, CCP, c'mon.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.29 11:25:00 - [63] You can anchor labs at any tower. It's best to make sure that there's at least one office available at an NPC station in the system, as you'll need one if you want to do remote research or production. There are a few POS modules that can't be anchored in high sec (but can in low sec), such as reactor arrays, but if you're just setting up a research POS, you might as well go for 0.5 space to reduce the standings requirements. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Kaathar Rielspar Minmatar Universal Exports	Posted - 2007.10.29 23:57:00 - [64] voting for sticky, great thread ____________________
nXus KAOS. Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.01 22:59:00 - [65] Edited by: nXus on 01/11/2007 22:59:49 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro You can anchor labs at any tower. It's best to make sure that there's at least one office available at an NPC station in the system, as you'll need one if you want to do remote research or production. There are a few POS modules that can't be anchored in high sec (but can in low sec), such as reactor arrays, but if you're just setting up a research POS, you might as well go for 0.5 space to reduce the standings requirements. Been having an issue with doing remote research. Setup is. Pos in system. Have labs at pos. Labs online. BPO's in system at station. Don't have an office in station. Have Remote research skill. Whenever i try to research BPO it says "Cannot establish contact with the Science & Industry facility. If it is in a different system you might have to travel closer." It works ok for somebody else in another corp when i open to the public. You mention you need an office to do remote research. Is there a reason for this? eg because the POS tower/lab is corp anchored Or just another annoying thing ccp has in the game. Tried lots and lots of fiddling around with the lab settings. My roles are fine. So i could only put it down to the office. I can take a bpo directly to the pos and it researches ok. Also if i get an office can i have bpo's in my personal hanger then and be able to research them? If not and they have to go into a corp hanger tab then how the hell do i protect my own personal BPO's whilst still being able to research them? "Fortune Favors the Bold"
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.01 23:08:00 - [66] Originally by: nXus Been having an issue with doing remote research. Setup is. Pos in system. Have labs at pos. Labs online. BPO's in system at station. Don't have an office in station. As you've already guessed, that's your only problem. Get an office and all will be well. Quote: It works ok for somebody else in another corp when i open to the public. You mention you need an office to do remote research. Is there a reason for this? eg because the POS tower/lab is corp anchored Or just another annoying thing ccp has in the game. They're starting jobs from a corp hangar, which is why it works for them. Quote: Also if i get an office can i have bpo's in my personal hanger then and be able to research them? If not and they have to go into a corp hanger tab then how the hell do i protect my own personal BPO's whilst still being able to research them? I've outlined several options for dealing with this towards the end of the guide. Depending on the number and value of the BPOs, you may find it better either to lock them or to set aside a separate, private division for storing them. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Teimur Leng	Posted - 2007.11.02 06:21:00 - [67] Copy Job Cancellation Question: I got my corp ceo to install a laboratory for me on our POS and I started a copy job on it that would take 29 days roughly... I then realized i had put in too many copies (which would take too long a time) so I cancelled the job in order to start a new one with less copies...the BPO returned to the hanger but the Lab still shows that the next available slot is 29 days from now ... Whats going on over here ? There is no other job running except the one I had run and then cancelled...wont I get the slot back?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:07:00 - [68] This is the same as for any lab slot- it works this way to prevent people from sitting on lots of research slots at once with junk BPOs and charging people extortionate fees to vacate them for actual research. For NPC slots, there is no workaround. In your case, the solution is as follows: Offline & unanchor lab Take the lab to a station/outpost and repackage it. Redeploy the lab. Total time required: 40 minutes to 1 hour. Step #2 is not strictly necessary, but redeploying unrepackaged structures frequently causes them to stop working properly. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.11.03 17:55:00 - [69] Originally by: Revelations 2.3 Patch Notes If an office's rent expires while a BP is in production and is not re-rented before the job is completed, the BP's will return to the impound. This means no more GM petitions to get those back! I've never had that problem, fortunately. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.03 19:11:00 - [70] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 03/11/2007 19:12:29 Now, I wonder what will happen if you start a job before the patch, unrent the office, and wait until the patch hits before delivering? Or, start job before patch, unrent office after patch, then deliver? I'm not going to update the guide until the last of the pre-patch jobs has finished, in case this continues to affect people for another month. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats

TorTorden Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.14 15:52:00 - [71] Good guide, but I'm lookin for clarification on points 1 and 2, they are ambigous at best. Quote: 1. How can I do research without keeping my BPOs at the POS? The BPOs have to be in a corp hangar in an Outpost or NPC station in the same solar system as the POS. You will need the skill Scientific Networking I to start a job in this manner. If any materials are required for the research, they must be placed (in advance) in the matching corp hangar division in the lab used to do the research. Point one is quite crystal clear, but then we have point 2 Quote: 2. Can I start jobs when the BPOs are many jumps away? Yes, provided that they are set up as described above, and you have the necessary level of Scientific Networking. You're limited to regional range (at level V). My question then is if the lab is in system A, and I have all rights and scientific networking at lvl 3. Can I then start a research job with a blueprint in the corp hangar in system B 5 jumps from system A ? Or would BPO have to be in a station corp hangar in system A, but I can with scientific networking start the job from system B ? In advance Thanks. TorTorden ------------------------------------------------ There is no such thing as good or evil. Just an egotistic struggle for self empowerment. ------------------------------------------------
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.15 11:12:00 - [72] The first setup you've described would not work. The second one does, though. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats


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