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LuzArius	Posted - 2007.09.06 02:49:00 - [1] An enemy corp member attacks you, if the fight doesn't go his way he can stop attacking you for 30 seconds and dock. What is this carebear crap? If I wanted to play a carebear game I'd go play world of warcraft. If you attack a player no matter there should be at least a 5 minute timer that prevents you from docking. I thought EVE was for stronger players but I guess I was wrong. Corp Wars are a carebears paradise. "Oh i'm taking too much damage i'll just dock". Psh... I've been playing for like 30 days and I DEMAND that the timer be increased to at least 5 minutes. I hate carebears. Luzarius
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.06 02:52:00 - [2] lol Quit being a carebear and camping the station. Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.06 04:09:00 - [3] Look fatgets care bears consider pvp ***** If you keep labeling everything as carebear the word loses meaning Local Thread 107-b,War without a victor penalties,Navigation Shortcuts
Condecinte	Posted - 2007.09.06 04:20:00 - [4] wardec a pirate corp, they won't dock
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.09.06 04:34:00 - [5] Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 06/09/2007 04:35:57 Damn ... and i thought you have to wait a minute. Get a better ship boy. 5 mins would get you way to easy into a trap. See the rest of the game and then start whining.
illbebored	Posted - 2007.09.06 09:12:00 - [6] Edited by: illbebored on 06/09/2007 09:12:06 Originally by: Condecinte wardec a pirate corp, they won't dock Everyone will do it. Everyone actually do it. It's becoming quite common to see Corps wardeccing here and there and then, spending most of the time at dock range with a heavily tanked ship, waiting to pick on a weak target, pop it, and dock back if someone else steps in. And it's becoming common, sadly i'd say, even from so called "pirates" and/or "mercenaries". While I generally agree on the "adapt or die" rule, and i know that a suitable firepower would give no time for docking back to almost any ship, it must be said how the several "hp increases" given to ships made the "undock/dock" technique spread like a virus. 5 minutes of aggro timer would be definetly too much, but 30 seconds are really nothing for today's ships.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.09.06 10:26:00 - [7] Originally by: illbebored Edited by: illbebored on 06/09/2007 09:12:06 Originally by: Condecinte wardec a pirate corp, they won't dock Everyone will do it. Everyone actually do it. It's becoming quite common to see Corps wardeccing here and there and then, spending most of the time at dock range with a heavily tanked ship, waiting to pick on a weak target, pop it, and dock back if someone else steps in. And it's becoming common, sadly i'd say, even from so called "pirates" and/or "mercenaries". While I generally agree on the "adapt or die" rule, and i know that a suitable firepower would give no time for docking back to almost any ship, it must be said how the several "hp increases" given to ships made the "undock/dock" technique spread like a virus. 5 minutes of aggro timer would be definetly too much, but 30 seconds are really nothing for today's ships. Especially since you can't lock them before they've docked again due to some lameass timer. Docking really needs to be re-invented to weed out the fenceriders. Also Known As
iiOs The Cry of Mankind	Posted - 2007.09.06 10:27:00 - [8] one word : bumping ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.09.06 10:30:00 - [9] Originally by: iiOs one word : bumping That's one helluva bump to get a battleship outside of docking range... Also Known As
Kastar Memphis Technologies	Posted - 2007.09.06 10:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Condecinte wardec a pirate corp, they won't dock Actually they're mostly the first to dock Many wannabe's are not used to "targets" bringing it. Then again, be careful what you say there. A pirate corp is not necessarily a pirate corp. I know a lot of people calling themselves pirates while they're actually more resembling one of these cute furry cuddlywuddlies you wanna hug at first sight and that you would have pity with and give them 15 isk for effort and leet spelling. There ought to be a quality label for the real good ones out there. -----------------------------------------------
Demarcus Revolting Cocks	Posted - 2007.09.06 10:50:00 - [11] What needs to be fixed is not the mechanic of it. What needs to be fixed is how far away from the station is considered 0km. Some stations it is literally like 50km away from the station before your 1km away. The bounding areas around some of the station models is ok but some are just absurd. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Kalazar Amarr Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.09.06 10:58:00 - [12] Bumpaphoon. Very useful ship that. ----------------------------------------------
I SoStoned	Posted - 2007.09.06 11:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Kastar Originally by: Condecinte wardec a pirate corp, they won't dock Actually they're mostly the first to dock Many wannabe's are not used to "targets" bringing it. Aint that the truth. I was running 3 accounts moving cargo through lowsec, with one of my other corpmates scouting with the fourth hauler (a Prorator) because of their expected rapid warp speed. The three I was moving were all T1 and slow, but with lots of mids I had loaded out with AB, web, damps. Our scout jumps through a gate and finds an Absolution sitting on the other side with its sensor boosters running. He picks a station and hits the 'dock' button, but is almost instantly locked & scrammed. So I jump through the 3 haulers, AB toward the abso that's trying to catch up to the MWD'ing Prorator, and get all of my ships to target him. The prorator leads him past the mammoth and he gets webbed & damped (but not scrammed). The other mammoth and badger II get locks and add more damp. Now, mind... NONE of us had guns fitted... or scrams. The absolution gives up on the prorator and makes a run for the station... We continue on our way safely and I wiped my seat. I had 2 large POS towers & fuel in those three slow boats.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.06 11:30:00 - [14] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/09/2007 11:31:04 The thing about these "tubetankers" is that they sometimes bleat about blobs when you show up with enough force to kill them in thirty seconds Doubling the timer would help to make things more even. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.06 11:31:00 - [15] I think they should change it somehow so that when you undock, you are like 1km out of dock range so can't immediately redock again. Would stop these people who dock/undock all day.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.06 11:33:00 - [16] Originally by: LuzArius An enemy corp member attacks you, if the fight doesn't go his way he can stop attacking you for 30 seconds and dock. What is this carebear crap? If I wanted to play a carebear game I'd go play world of warcraft. If you attack a player no matter there should be at least a 5 minute timer that prevents you from docking. I thought EVE was for stronger players but I guess I was wrong. Corp Wars are a carebears paradise. "Oh i'm taking too much damage i'll just dock". Psh... I've been playing for like 30 days and I DEMAND that the timer be increased to at least 5 minutes. I hate carebears. Luzarius i dont do empire wars but: /signed
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.09.06 11:33:00 - [17] Edited by: max bygraves on 06/09/2007 11:35:11 Erm, Dont engage outside station ? Dont fight in empire ?
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.06 11:36:00 - [18] Originally by: max bygraves GO BACK TO WOW. we dont want to hear your pointless whines on here. go back to wow if you want safe wars! at least if you are the attacker you should get a 10min docking timer. 2mins should be sufficient for teh victim tough... (if he does not shoot back:)
Ladyah Liandri A GmbH	Posted - 2007.09.06 13:47:00 - [19] Originally by: I SoStoned Aint that the truth. I was running 3 accounts moving cargo through lowsec, with one of my other corpmates scouting with the fourth hauler (a Prorator) because of their expected rapid warp speed. The three I was moving were all T1 and slow, but with lots of mids I had loaded out with AB, web, damps. Our scout jumps through a gate and finds an Absolution sitting on the other side with its sensor boosters running. He picks a station and hits the 'dock' button, but is almost instantly locked & scrammed. So I jump through the 3 haulers, AB toward the abso that's trying to catch up to the MWD'ing Prorator, and get all of my ships to target him. The prorator leads him past the mammoth and he gets webbed & damped (but not scrammed). The other mammoth and badger II get locks and add more damp. Now, mind... NONE of us had guns fitted... or scrams. The absolution gives up on the prorator and makes a run for the station... We continue on our way safely and I wiped my seat. I had 2 large POS towers & fuel in those three slow boats. ROFL
Lyn Z Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2007.09.06 13:50:00 - [20] The best thing I've ever seen was a Privateer trying to undock from a station so he could Armor Repair his ship. Now, this station had a few people he was at war with outside, and so his attempts we're getting to be rather counter-productive. So what does he do? He dropped his corp so he could safely undock and repair.
Avery Fatwallet	Posted - 2007.09.06 13:54:00 - [21] what would happen if we made the undocking ports give ships a slight "boost" by default? i dunno, catapult em out for 5km or so. with, you know... force... imho that would solve the undock bowling at crowded stations (yea, i LUV it, when people need to go afk there...) and make station games a lil more... impractical, as you actually could get webbed. yay/nay/maybay?
Exlegion KnightRaven Research KnightRaven Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.06 14:12:00 - [22] Originally by: d026 Originally by: max bygraves GO BACK TO WOW. we dont want to hear your pointless whines on here. go back to wow if you want safe wars! at least if you are the attacker you should get a 10min docking timer. 2mins should be sufficient for teh victim tough... (if he does not shoot back:) If the victim hasn't aggressed there is no reason why he/she should get an aggression timer or a time docking penalty. If you don't like shooting at station huggers then war dec a PVP corp. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Drokar Gazer SerpenT's CoiL	Posted - 2007.09.06 14:41:00 - [23] who really is the carebear? really now? EVE has many mechanics and EVERYONE uses them to their own advantage. Whether jumping into a gatecamp and deciding to mwd back to the gate (or try) to jump knowing you will be scrammed if u try to warp or bumping targets away from gates or stations to prevent them from doing just that. Complaining that you cannot use game mechanics as they are (and not exploits) calling others 'carebears' is laughable at best. Quit complaining... if he docks, use different tactics, dont blob him at a station knowing he has the option of docking.. and if you bring a fleet of ships and cant kill him before 30 seconds bring a bigger fleet or dont even try, cuz u will just complain. So you go back to WoW. EVE is hardcore, but its also a thinking mans game.. so..... think ________________________________________ Drokar Gazer Not the sig your looking for. Move along.
Leiko Fuku Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:33:00 - [24] Red agression timer = no dock. That's it and how it should be. If you decide to engage someone you better be ready.
Yuleth Gix	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:38:00 - [25] lol@op flamebait
Flamewave Scorn Again.	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:46:00 - [26] Either trick them onto a gate and catch them on the jump-in or bring enough heat to take them out before their timer runs out. And the timer for docking after aggression is one minute, not 30 seconds. If you're looking for solo fights, you won't find them at stations, so get clever. __________
VinnyTheBull	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:50:00 - [27] I agree, if you are fighting someone outside the station and they realize they are going to lose to you and they stop firing and dock that is bull****. This game is full of holes that let cowards fight and get away when they want to with no commitment to a fight. It is pathetic and cowards who try to fight you then decide they are losing and dock should not be able to do so. Of course, the carebears who employ this tactic will disagree, but shouldn't they be out mining?
Sebesto Minmatar Destination Unknown	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Condecinte wardec a pirate corp, they won't dock I know of some pirate corps that dock when they are war dec'd
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:03:00 - [29] If you cant kill his tank within the time it takes for him to realize he'll lose + the 30second aggression timer, I think your issue is NOT ccp, but with your own **ty fits. ----------------- Friends Forever** Kill. BoB. Dead.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:06:00 - [30] Originally by: fire 59 I think they should change it somehow so that when you undock, you are like 1km out of dock range so can't immediately redock again. Would stop these people who dock/undock all day. . ----------------- Friends Forever Kill. BoB. Dead.
VinnyTheBull	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg If you cant kill his tank within the time it takes for him to realize he'll lose + the 30second aggression timer, I think your issue is NOT ccp, but with your own ****ty fits. What kind of ships do you fly? Have you ever flown a battleship? Some ships take forever to kill eachother, sometimes it is a matter of who has more cap charges in their cargo hold even.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:24:00 - [32] You ppl always find something to whine about, dont you? If you fight ppl that know when to leave the fight then you picked the wrong targets. Find something that fights back and stop whining. Ship lovers click here
VinnyTheBull	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:27:00 - [33] Originally by: Hellspawn01 You ppl always find something to whine about, dont you? If you fight ppl that know when to leave the fight then you picked the wrong targets. Find something that fights back and stop whining. What if the target picks you and realizes he has a chance of losing? When it comes to pvping it should be full fledged pvp, not pvp with the carebear backdoor open incase you think your gonna lose. Why does everyone dismiss everything as a pointless whine? I guess I should dismiss you as a pointless carebear then. Well I guess some carebears aren't pointless, I like the ones that make me ships.
Major Stallion Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:29:00 - [34] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: iiOs one word : bumping That's one helluva bump to get a battleship outside of docking range... never been bumped by another battleship fitted for this specific job? Machariels are great for this =D ________________________________ High Sec PvP Originally by: "Wylker" CCP has finally mastered stupidity
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.06 18:20:00 - [35] And it's not 30 seconds, its a full minute. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Drykor Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.09.07 00:58:00 - [36] Originally by: fire 59 I think they should change it somehow so that when you undock, you are like 1km out of dock range so can't immediately redock again. Would stop these people who dock/undock all day. Agreed, just make it 2-3 km, or they'd only have to cross 500 meter to dock again, you can do that in almost everything, even double webbed, 'cause the lock/web effect isn't instant
judes23 Kissaki Confederation Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.09.07 01:16:00 - [37] /signed i agree, to many times iv almost killed, but they have gotten away by docking
Queen Killerz	Posted - 2007.09.07 01:38:00 - [38] Winnie the pooh
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.09.07 02:13:00 - [39] The station mechanics are so broken it's not even funny.
Stakhanov Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.09.07 02:30:00 - [40] Just use an insta-undock to get away from station campers , and refuse to engage at stations. That's what I do... Originally by: Cipher7 If you manage to get baited, what's your skill, being a good victim?
Lance Cuthroat	Posted - 2007.09.07 03:42:00 - [41] So use your head and lure them out. Do your homework and you will find they aren't always so close to safety. Unless you are just lazy....
illbebored	Posted - 2007.09.07 12:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg If you cant kill his tank within the time it takes for him to realize he'll lose + the 30second aggression timer, I think your issue is NOT ccp, but with your own ****ty fits. Surely a strong enough firepower would make the whole topic meaningless. But there are many entities in EVE that do not have (and probably dont want to have) the numbers of huge corps or alliances. With "normal" numbers, i am pretty sure you would agree that a Tier 3 BS, properly fitted and eventually rigged, cannot be popped within 30 seconds. No whining intended, of course. But i wonder how funny could be undocking/getting shot at/docking back for a couple of hours.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.09.07 12:44:00 - [43] Something's surely off with that timer then 'cause we've had ships re-dock on us before we even could begin locking them. Also Known As
NeoTheo Caldari Dark Materials	Posted - 2007.09.07 13:06:00 - [44] LEARN TO WEB AND SCRAM... http://atomicrain.net/eve_sig.jpg
W1ck3d 8uZz Amarr	Posted - 2007.09.07 13:10:00 - [45] u aint bumping no1 if ur target is not moving/activating a module after undocking.. at least not for teh first 15ish or so seconds... for more details see chapter 1 'Docking/Undocking'
Forino Ovoli	Posted - 2007.09.07 19:42:00 - [46] Originally by: fire 59 I think they should change it somehow so that when you undock, you are like 1km out of dock range so can't immediately redock again. Would stop these people who dock/undock all day. Only if they also add the ability to see WHO and WHAT is outside before you undock. I think it's ludicrous to put in something as you describe above and expect people to "undock in the blind." Would there not be viewports or status displays in the station where you could see what was outside? Add an option to get the "local vicinity" picture - the same thing you see when you undock - and then I would concur with your recommendation. Because then the person undocking would be able to make an informed decision about the external environment. But, putting in any kind of "you can't redock" option only empowers griefers and station campers.
Caligulus Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.09.07 21:20:00 - [47] Well hey now, maybe when CCP finishes going off on that random "walking in stations" tangent we'll be able to stab those station huggers in the face on the station. yeah?
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.09.07 21:25:00 - [48] Just get enoug dps to take him down in that 30 secs... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Laboratus Just get enoug dps to take him down in that 30 secs... Like I was saying, we've seen ships dock up again before anyone even had a chance of locking him. Stations are broken. Also Known As
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:18:00 - [50] Originally by: I SoStoned Originally by: Kastar Originally by: Condecinte wardec a pirate corp, they won't dock Actually they're mostly the first to dock Many wannabe's are not used to "targets" bringing it. Aint that the truth. I was running 3 accounts moving cargo through lowsec, with one of my other corpmates scouting with the fourth hauler (a Prorator) because of their expected rapid warp speed. The three I was moving were all T1 and slow, but with lots of mids I had loaded out with AB, web, damps. Our scout jumps through a gate and finds an Absolution sitting on the other side with its sensor boosters running. He picks a station and hits the 'dock' button, but is almost instantly locked & scrammed. So I jump through the 3 haulers, AB toward the abso that's trying to catch up to the MWD'ing Prorator, and get all of my ships to target him. The prorator leads him past the mammoth and he gets webbed & damped (but not scrammed). The other mammoth and badger II get locks and add more damp. Now, mind... NONE of us had guns fitted... or scrams. The absolution gives up on the prorator and makes a run for the station... We continue on our way safely and I wiped my seat. I had 2 large POS towers & fuel in those three slow boats. All those people continually complaning about losing their, er... assets because of ganks could learn from this. -=^=-
Cambarus Kissaki Confederation Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.09.08 05:33:00 - [51] Leave the re-docking timers, and undocking in general, alone. If you're at war with someone and you can't be bothered to fight them in any places other then stations, that's your fault and your problem. If someone else wardecs you and only fights at stations, laugh at them and make a bookmark 250km from the entrance of the station (in the direction you face when you undock) and warp to it every time you undock, it will either force them to fight off the station or will keep you safe from them. Really, it drives me nuts when pvpers complain about things like this. You're going to have to get over the fact that some people don't want to pvp. The game was not made to get you kills, and there are sooo many different ways to kill people in eve that the ones you don't kill due to station hugging really shouldn't matter all that much. CCP doesn't need to deal with people docking, you just need to be a little more creative in order to get your kills
Moridin920 Gallente Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.08 06:21:00 - [52] Bump 'em. Then watch them call you a hacker. It's great. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way."
Lady Caeser Open Fist of Castallus	Posted - 2007.09.08 08:30:00 - [53] 1. nerf megabumping (such as macharial) 2. nerf aggression dock/jump timer up to 2 minutes to reflect addition of rigs and hp buff 3. ???? 4. profit! -------------------------------------- What are you looking at? --------------------------------------
LuzArius	Posted - 2007.09.10 04:54:00 - [54] Bumpage

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