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Masatoshi Hamada The Unknown Bar and Pub 4	Posted - 2012.01.18 03:56:00 - [1] - Quote You have five boats are most in need of a buff to what do you think? 1. Augoror Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to armor hitpoints per level and 10% bonus to capacitor need of energy transfer arrays per level. Role bonus: 500% bonus to range of energy transfer arrays. This ship is useless transfer capacitor has a bonus. It is a too small ship It needs to be for a remote repairer. 2. Eos Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer effectiveness per level Command Ships Skill Bonus: +15 m3 extra Drone Bay space and 3% bonus to effectiveness of Information Warfare Links per level Role Bonus: 99% reduction in Warfare Link module CPU need. Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously. CSM Minutes has discussing on this, but it needs a better link rather than Information Warfare. 3. Procurer Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level. Role Bonus: Able to equip Strip Miner and Ice Harvester turrets. Quote from Evelopedia: "Quite possibly the worst mining ship in the game next to the Rookie Ships, the Procurer-class is most commonly used as a component for building its Tech 2 counterpart, the Skiff." There is some problem where there is a built ship specifically for mining, yet often it is told to skip right over it as it is useless. Perhaps it could have using a 2% increase in better strip mining yield. 4. Hel Minmatar Carrier Skill Bonuses: 50% bonus to Capital Shield and Armor transfer range per level 5% bonus to Shield and Armor transfer amount per level 99% reduction in CPU need for Warfare Link modules Can fit Projected Electronic Counter Measures Can deploy 3 additional Fighters, Fighter Bombers or Drones per level Can fit 1 additional Warfare Link module per level 200% bonus to Fighter and Fighter Bomber control range Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare What this ship needs it better tank. Nyx, which is used a lot more has a good bonus to fighters damage but not a best tank. What Hel should do is fill in this gap, while also getting rid of Armor Transfer bonus. Why would you need to do a such thing in a super carrier? 5. Hyperion Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% large hybrid weapon damage and 7.5% bonus to armor repair amount of armor repair systems per level. This ship costs a lot. What can be done to try and fix this would be lower building requirements, like less minerals needed to build this ship. At the least, make it the cheapest of the tier 3 battleships.
Dyaven The Minutemen NEM3SIS. 20	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:00:00 - [2] - Quote The Hyperion needs a tracking bonus. It fails at being a blaster boat compared to the Mega because of this.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 614	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:09:00 - [3] - Quote The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Dyaven The Minutemen NEM3SIS. 21	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:14:00 - [4] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang If it costed half as much as it did I would love the thing, but at 160m I'd rather buy a t2 cruiser+fittings or even better, three fully fit Hurricanes.
Masatoshi Hamada The Unknown Bar and Pub 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:16:00 - [5] - Quote Dyaven wrote: The Hyperion needs a tracking bonus. It fails at being a blaster boat compared to the Mega because of this. Hmm, you can be right on that too. It is a higher tier ship, so why not some better tracking? What ships do you (and Liang) too think personally are some 5 ships that are in most need of a buff?
Hoskoal Ricks Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:17:00 - [6] - Quote How did the hype make your list, but not the eagle?
Masatoshi Hamada The Unknown Bar and Pub 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:22:00 - [7] - Quote Hoskoal Ricks wrote: How did the hype make your list, but not the eagle? It is of a personal preference, although it is in my top ten. I read before that it is one of the least used ships in Eve (I do not know of current figures that detail what people are flying) Forgive my ignorance, but I think the Eagle is put in jeopardy by the Naga. Perhaps it could use some higher bonus to range?
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 343	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:26:00 - [8] - Quote Eos. fully agreed.
Goose99 706	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:27:00 - [9] - Quote So Aurguor made the list? How about Exequor? Among lots of ships that no one ever mentions needing a boost because they're so bad no one cares for them. Btw, Hype sucks. But not to the degree of being forgotten. Aurguror & company are what truly needing love...
Dyaven The Minutemen NEM3SIS. 21	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:28:00 - [10] - Quote In no particular order: takes breath Brutix Prophecy Cyclone Ferox Hyperion Eagle Deimos Enyo (probably solved with incoming AS buff) Retribution (same) Eos Astarte Redeemer Widow Sin Panther Kronos Oneiros Augoror Omen Maller Moa Thorax Scythe Bellicose Exequor exhale

Masatoshi Hamada The Unknown Bar and Pub 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:31:00 - [11] - Quote Goose99 wrote: So Aurguor made the list? How about Exequor? Among lots of ships that no one ever mentions needing a boost because they're so bad no one cares for them. Btw, Hype sucks. But not to the degree of being forgotten. Aurguror & company are what truly needing love... I have found that some prefer the Exequor for a mining cruiser instead of the Osprey, although this role in itself is limited. Tech 1 logistic ships (Augoror, Osprey, Exequor and Scythe) should probably all have looking at.
Goose99 706	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:38:00 - [12] - Quote Dyaven wrote: In no particular order: takes breath Brutix Prophecy Cyclone Ferox Hyperion Eagle Deimos Enyo (probably solved with incoming AS buff) Retribution (same) Eos Astarte Redeemer Widow Sin Panther Kronos Oneiros Augoror Omen Maller Moa Thorax Scythe Bellicose Exequor exhale Cyclone is fine. It's overshadowed by cane, but still better compared to most other BCs. I use Panther for lol cloaky gank. It has that wtf factor. Widow is pwnage for ecm. It's not gimpy, except for price, and the "omg expensive boat KILL IT!" combined with "ECM! KILL IT!" factors. Oneiros is already buffed. Still subpar to Guardian pvp, but usable.
Hoskoal Ricks Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:48:00 - [13] - Quote Masatoshi Hamada wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but I think the Eagle is put in jeopardy by the Naga. Perhaps it could use some higher bonus to range? I hope that was a troll/joke. The eagle didn't see any use prior to the naga's existence and it's dual range bonus is the primary reason for that.
Masatoshi Hamada The Unknown Bar and Pub 6	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:51:00 - [14] - Quote Hoskoal Ricks wrote: Masatoshi Hamada wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but I think the Eagle is put in jeopardy by the Naga. Perhaps it could use some higher bonus to range? I hope that was a troll/joke. The eagle didn't see any use prior to the naga's existence and it's dual range bonus is the primary reason for that. Ah, okay. So it needs one of these range bonuses taken away, and an increase to damage.
Aestivalis Saidrian SplitPush Mercantiles 18	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:53:00 - [15] - Quote Goose99 wrote: So about Exequor? The hell you smoking. With how dirt cheap deadspace remote armor reps are, you can make an Exequror a credible logistics boat. Fragile, yeah but it'd still put out some great reps Like so: [Exequror, Remote Repper] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I Y-S8 Hydrocarbon Afterburners Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Corelum C-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System Corelum C-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I This will run you under 35m, and can be used by a week old character with the correct skill order.
Liam Mirren 182	Posted - 2012.01.18 07:03:00 - [16] - Quote Any list that doesn't have the Navy Osprey on it is by definition incomplete. Go and try make a Nosprey fit that makes sense, I dare you. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Exploited Engineer Caldari Provisions Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.01.18 07:32:00 - [17] - Quote Hoskoal Ricks wrote: I hope that was a troll/joke. The eagle didn't see any use prior to the naga's existence and it's dual range bonus is the primary reason for that. Yes. Rip out one range bonus, replace with damage or ROF bonus. Also, why do the Gallente get a railgun platform (Enyo, I'm looking at you! Optimal range bonuses aren't for blaster boats.), while the Caldari lack a blaster platform (you know: Damage bonus, tracking bonus, falloff bonus)?
Archare SKEET ELITE Sk33t Fl33t 45	Posted - 2012.01.18 07:55:00 - [18] - Quote Exploited Engineer wrote: Hoskoal Ricks wrote: I hope that was a troll/joke. The eagle didn't see any use prior to the naga's existence and it's dual range bonus is the primary reason for that. Yes. Rip out one range bonus, replace with damage or ROF bonus. Also, why do the Gallente get a railgun platform (Enyo, I'm looking at you! Optimal range bonuses aren't for blaster boats.), while the Caldari lack a blaster platform (you know: Damage bonus, tracking bonus, falloff bonus)? Enyo is a rail platform? I must be doing it wrong then....... Anyways top 5 on my list would be Eagle Even the market can't give them away for minerals right now Eos This is probably due mainly to how much info links suck, but the hull itself could use some tweaks as well so the tank is comparable to the damnation Augoror So obscure i don't even know what this ship does Sin Who thought a cloaky ship that uses drones was a good idea? Ewar frigs do people fly these things?
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 58	Posted - 2012.01.18 11:13:00 - [19] - Quote Aestivalis Saidrian wrote: Goose99 wrote: So about Exequor? The hell you smoking. With how dirt cheap deadspace remote armor reps are, you can make an Exequror a credible logistics boat. Fragile, yeah but it'd still put out some great reps Like so: [Exequror, Remote Repper] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I Y-S8 Hydrocarbon Afterburners Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Corelum C-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System Corelum C-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I This will run you under 35m, and can be used by a week old character with the correct skill order. Nah man....the exequror has a bonus to cargo bay. It's begging to be run with a cap booster. You can run four reps that way, for about 10 minutes. Speaking of active cap, the Hyperion is an amazing gate brawler in dual rep setup with cap boosters. Not so much a large fleet ship, but great in small scale.
Naradius DEATHFUNK 19	Posted - 2012.01.18 12:22:00 - [20] - Quote Phantasm It looks cool in the hanger, but suffered big time with the Sansha nerf - terrible HP and no cap. Ishtar I don't know...whatever I try or do with it, I can always find something better to use for PvP...makes me a sad bunny. Never recovered from the nano nerf. Eos I agree with previous posts. Info links suck, so as a Cpmmand Ship the Eos sucks. Deimos What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Only 4?...hmmm, ok - most Caldari hybrid/rail platforms need some kind of buff. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams

Nadine Le'Slut The-Four-HorseMen 3	Posted - 2012.01.18 12:42:00 - [21] - Quote infolinks never were really popular, just like ravens in fleetops both for valid reason, they just plain suck for pvp (well infolinks suck even in pve) reintroducing 125mbit drone bandwidth for the eos would be the only thing that i'd accept as a fix because seriously, i want those solopwnboats back they may have been bringing a lot of whining to the forums, but so much more fun to the game. and then i woke up....
King Rothgar Autocannons Anonymous 147	Posted - 2012.01.18 13:01:00 - [22] - Quote 1) Sin: 5% agility bonus changed to something else (anything is better than that, even cargo capacity). +100% HP, addition of combat recon level resists, 50% more jump drive range. 2) Panther: +1 turret, +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range. 3) Redeemer: +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range. 4) Widow: +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range. 5) Retribution: utility high slot moved to midslot.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 85	Posted - 2012.01.18 13:17:00 - [23] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much.
V'oba Caldari Provisions Caldari State 11	Posted - 2012.01.18 14:51:00 - [24] - Quote Onictus wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much. This. Wouldn't it be better to redo the stats/ bonuses on this ship to give gallente a viable fleet BS?
Dibblerette The Phantom Regiment Stillness of Chaos 35	Posted - 2012.01.18 17:07:00 - [25] - Quote V'oba wrote: Onictus wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much. This. Wouldn't it be better to redo the stats/ bonuses on this ship to give gallente a viable fleet BS? Like what? I think it would be neat to have a boost to INCOMING repairs, but idk how that really makes sense. It'd be really cool to see a couple of hyperions roaming with rep drones on each other and really high resists! It would make properly logi'd fleets quite tough, and carrier supported one formidable indeed. At least until ECM comes along, that is. Alternatively, maybe some sort of mobility bonus? MWD speed, or agility? Or perhaps some kind of built-in damage control?
Aestivalis Saidrian SplitPush Mercantiles 18	Posted - 2012.01.18 18:29:00 - [26] - Quote Idea: Since Gallente are about active tanking, change rep bonus to capacitor discount. This goes for all Gallente ships. What it would mean is that you could dual rep wkith ease.
Kagan Storm Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 45	Posted - 2012.01.18 18:31:00 - [27] - Quote My badger needs a new paint job. I also wana take a screeny of a badger wtih a cap gun. why cant i put cap guns on badgers anymore?....grrrrrr My ego is the the size of my carriers jump range. If i comment on your post you are probably not smart and should go back to playing WoW.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 637	Posted - 2012.01.18 18:32:00 - [28] - Quote V'oba wrote: Onictus wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much. This. Wouldn't it be better to redo the stats/ bonuses on this ship to give gallente a viable fleet BS? No, because not all ships should be fleet ships. Frankly the idea of an active tanked blaster ship is ideal - both active tanking and blasters excel in small gang warfare but fail at fleets... just make sure that the ship rocks in small gangs. :) If anything I'd recommend doing something about the "missing" low slot rather than re-role the ship. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 637	Posted - 2012.01.18 18:34:00 - [29] - Quote Dibblerette wrote: Alternatively, maybe some sort of mobility bonus? MWD speed, or agility? Or perhaps some kind of built-in damage control? You don't need to give it a mobility bonus - that is easily done via adjusting base stats on the ship itself. They could even adjust the ship by giving it a bit more armor and thus simulate another low slot by giving it a built in 1600 RT plate (hopefully without the mobility penalty...). There are tons of options... and not all of them require re-rolling the ship. :) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Hoskoal Ricks Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2012.01.18 19:57:00 - [30] - Quote V'oba wrote: Onictus wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much. This. Wouldn't it be better to redo the stats/ bonuses on this ship to give gallente a viable fleet BS? The mega is the gal psuedo-fleet bs. Rails just need more love, imo.



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