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Masatoshi Hamada The Unknown Bar and Pub 4	Posted - 2012.01.18 03:56:00 - [1] - Quote You have five boats are most in need of a buff to what do you think? 1. Augoror Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to armor hitpoints per level and 10% bonus to capacitor need of energy transfer arrays per level. Role bonus: 500% bonus to range of energy transfer arrays. This ship is useless transfer capacitor has a bonus. It is a too small ship It needs to be for a remote repairer. 2. Eos Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer effectiveness per level Command Ships Skill Bonus: +15 m3 extra Drone Bay space and 3% bonus to effectiveness of Information Warfare Links per level Role Bonus: 99% reduction in Warfare Link module CPU need. Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously. CSM Minutes has discussing on this, but it needs a better link rather than Information Warfare. 3. Procurer Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level. Role Bonus: Able to equip Strip Miner and Ice Harvester turrets. Quote from Evelopedia: "Quite possibly the worst mining ship in the game next to the Rookie Ships, the Procurer-class is most commonly used as a component for building its Tech 2 counterpart, the Skiff." There is some problem where there is a built ship specifically for mining, yet often it is told to skip right over it as it is useless. Perhaps it could have using a 2% increase in better strip mining yield. 4. Hel Minmatar Carrier Skill Bonuses: 50% bonus to Capital Shield and Armor transfer range per level 5% bonus to Shield and Armor transfer amount per level 99% reduction in CPU need for Warfare Link modules Can fit Projected Electronic Counter Measures Can deploy 3 additional Fighters, Fighter Bombers or Drones per level Can fit 1 additional Warfare Link module per level 200% bonus to Fighter and Fighter Bomber control range Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare What this ship needs it better tank. Nyx, which is used a lot more has a good bonus to fighters damage but not a best tank. What Hel should do is fill in this gap, while also getting rid of Armor Transfer bonus. Why would you need to do a such thing in a super carrier? 5. Hyperion Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% large hybrid weapon damage and 7.5% bonus to armor repair amount of armor repair systems per level. This ship costs a lot. What can be done to try and fix this would be lower building requirements, like less minerals needed to build this ship. At the least, make it the cheapest of the tier 3 battleships.
Dyaven The Minutemen NEM3SIS. 20	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:00:00 - [2] - Quote The Hyperion needs a tracking bonus. It fails at being a blaster boat compared to the Mega because of this.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 614	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:09:00 - [3] - Quote The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Dyaven The Minutemen NEM3SIS. 21	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:14:00 - [4] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang If it costed half as much as it did I would love the thing, but at 160m I'd rather buy a t2 cruiser+fittings or even better, three fully fit Hurricanes.
Masatoshi Hamada The Unknown Bar and Pub 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:16:00 - [5] - Quote Dyaven wrote: The Hyperion needs a tracking bonus. It fails at being a blaster boat compared to the Mega because of this. Hmm, you can be right on that too. It is a higher tier ship, so why not some better tracking? What ships do you (and Liang) too think personally are some 5 ships that are in most need of a buff?
Hoskoal Ricks Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:17:00 - [6] - Quote How did the hype make your list, but not the eagle?
Masatoshi Hamada The Unknown Bar and Pub 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:22:00 - [7] - Quote Hoskoal Ricks wrote: How did the hype make your list, but not the eagle? It is of a personal preference, although it is in my top ten. I read before that it is one of the least used ships in Eve (I do not know of current figures that detail what people are flying) Forgive my ignorance, but I think the Eagle is put in jeopardy by the Naga. Perhaps it could use some higher bonus to range?
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 343	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:26:00 - [8] - Quote Eos. fully agreed.
Goose99 706	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:27:00 - [9] - Quote So Aurguor made the list? How about Exequor? Among lots of ships that no one ever mentions needing a boost because they're so bad no one cares for them. Btw, Hype sucks. But not to the degree of being forgotten. Aurguror & company are what truly needing love...
Dyaven The Minutemen NEM3SIS. 21	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:28:00 - [10] - Quote In no particular order: takes breath Brutix Prophecy Cyclone Ferox Hyperion Eagle Deimos Enyo (probably solved with incoming AS buff) Retribution (same) Eos Astarte Redeemer Widow Sin Panther Kronos Oneiros Augoror Omen Maller Moa Thorax Scythe Bellicose Exequor exhale

Masatoshi Hamada The Unknown Bar and Pub 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:31:00 - [11] - Quote Goose99 wrote: So Aurguor made the list? How about Exequor? Among lots of ships that no one ever mentions needing a boost because they're so bad no one cares for them. Btw, Hype sucks. But not to the degree of being forgotten. Aurguror & company are what truly needing love... I have found that some prefer the Exequor for a mining cruiser instead of the Osprey, although this role in itself is limited. Tech 1 logistic ships (Augoror, Osprey, Exequor and Scythe) should probably all have looking at.
Goose99 706	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:38:00 - [12] - Quote Dyaven wrote: In no particular order: takes breath Brutix Prophecy Cyclone Ferox Hyperion Eagle Deimos Enyo (probably solved with incoming AS buff) Retribution (same) Eos Astarte Redeemer Widow Sin Panther Kronos Oneiros Augoror Omen Maller Moa Thorax Scythe Bellicose Exequor exhale Cyclone is fine. It's overshadowed by cane, but still better compared to most other BCs. I use Panther for lol cloaky gank. It has that wtf factor. Widow is pwnage for ecm. It's not gimpy, except for price, and the "omg expensive boat KILL IT!" combined with "ECM! KILL IT!" factors. Oneiros is already buffed. Still subpar to Guardian pvp, but usable.
Hoskoal Ricks Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:48:00 - [13] - Quote Masatoshi Hamada wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but I think the Eagle is put in jeopardy by the Naga. Perhaps it could use some higher bonus to range? I hope that was a troll/joke. The eagle didn't see any use prior to the naga's existence and it's dual range bonus is the primary reason for that.
Masatoshi Hamada The Unknown Bar and Pub 6	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:51:00 - [14] - Quote Hoskoal Ricks wrote: Masatoshi Hamada wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but I think the Eagle is put in jeopardy by the Naga. Perhaps it could use some higher bonus to range? I hope that was a troll/joke. The eagle didn't see any use prior to the naga's existence and it's dual range bonus is the primary reason for that. Ah, okay. So it needs one of these range bonuses taken away, and an increase to damage.
Aestivalis Saidrian SplitPush Mercantiles 18	Posted - 2012.01.18 04:53:00 - [15] - Quote Goose99 wrote: So about Exequor? The hell you smoking. With how dirt cheap deadspace remote armor reps are, you can make an Exequror a credible logistics boat. Fragile, yeah but it'd still put out some great reps Like so: [Exequror, Remote Repper] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I Y-S8 Hydrocarbon Afterburners Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Corelum C-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System Corelum C-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I This will run you under 35m, and can be used by a week old character with the correct skill order.
Liam Mirren 182	Posted - 2012.01.18 07:03:00 - [16] - Quote Any list that doesn't have the Navy Osprey on it is by definition incomplete. Go and try make a Nosprey fit that makes sense, I dare you. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Exploited Engineer Caldari Provisions Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.01.18 07:32:00 - [17] - Quote Hoskoal Ricks wrote: I hope that was a troll/joke. The eagle didn't see any use prior to the naga's existence and it's dual range bonus is the primary reason for that. Yes. Rip out one range bonus, replace with damage or ROF bonus. Also, why do the Gallente get a railgun platform (Enyo, I'm looking at you! Optimal range bonuses aren't for blaster boats.), while the Caldari lack a blaster platform (you know: Damage bonus, tracking bonus, falloff bonus)?
Archare SKEET ELITE Sk33t Fl33t 45	Posted - 2012.01.18 07:55:00 - [18] - Quote Exploited Engineer wrote: Hoskoal Ricks wrote: I hope that was a troll/joke. The eagle didn't see any use prior to the naga's existence and it's dual range bonus is the primary reason for that. Yes. Rip out one range bonus, replace with damage or ROF bonus. Also, why do the Gallente get a railgun platform (Enyo, I'm looking at you! Optimal range bonuses aren't for blaster boats.), while the Caldari lack a blaster platform (you know: Damage bonus, tracking bonus, falloff bonus)? Enyo is a rail platform? I must be doing it wrong then....... Anyways top 5 on my list would be Eagle Even the market can't give them away for minerals right now Eos This is probably due mainly to how much info links suck, but the hull itself could use some tweaks as well so the tank is comparable to the damnation Augoror So obscure i don't even know what this ship does Sin Who thought a cloaky ship that uses drones was a good idea? Ewar frigs do people fly these things?
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 58	Posted - 2012.01.18 11:13:00 - [19] - Quote Aestivalis Saidrian wrote: Goose99 wrote: So about Exequor? The hell you smoking. With how dirt cheap deadspace remote armor reps are, you can make an Exequror a credible logistics boat. Fragile, yeah but it'd still put out some great reps Like so: [Exequror, Remote Repper] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I Y-S8 Hydrocarbon Afterburners Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Corelum C-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System Corelum C-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I This will run you under 35m, and can be used by a week old character with the correct skill order. Nah man....the exequror has a bonus to cargo bay. It's begging to be run with a cap booster. You can run four reps that way, for about 10 minutes. Speaking of active cap, the Hyperion is an amazing gate brawler in dual rep setup with cap boosters. Not so much a large fleet ship, but great in small scale.
Naradius DEATHFUNK 19	Posted - 2012.01.18 12:22:00 - [20] - Quote Phantasm It looks cool in the hanger, but suffered big time with the Sansha nerf - terrible HP and no cap. Ishtar I don't know...whatever I try or do with it, I can always find something better to use for PvP...makes me a sad bunny. Never recovered from the nano nerf. Eos I agree with previous posts. Info links suck, so as a Cpmmand Ship the Eos sucks. Deimos What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Only 4?...hmmm, ok - most Caldari hybrid/rail platforms need some kind of buff. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams

Nadine Le'Slut The-Four-HorseMen 3	Posted - 2012.01.18 12:42:00 - [21] - Quote infolinks never were really popular, just like ravens in fleetops both for valid reason, they just plain suck for pvp (well infolinks suck even in pve) reintroducing 125mbit drone bandwidth for the eos would be the only thing that i'd accept as a fix because seriously, i want those solopwnboats back they may have been bringing a lot of whining to the forums, but so much more fun to the game. and then i woke up....
King Rothgar Autocannons Anonymous 147	Posted - 2012.01.18 13:01:00 - [22] - Quote 1) Sin: 5% agility bonus changed to something else (anything is better than that, even cargo capacity). +100% HP, addition of combat recon level resists, 50% more jump drive range. 2) Panther: +1 turret, +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range. 3) Redeemer: +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range. 4) Widow: +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range. 5) Retribution: utility high slot moved to midslot.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 85	Posted - 2012.01.18 13:17:00 - [23] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much.
V'oba Caldari Provisions Caldari State 11	Posted - 2012.01.18 14:51:00 - [24] - Quote Onictus wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much. This. Wouldn't it be better to redo the stats/ bonuses on this ship to give gallente a viable fleet BS?
Dibblerette The Phantom Regiment Stillness of Chaos 35	Posted - 2012.01.18 17:07:00 - [25] - Quote V'oba wrote: Onictus wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much. This. Wouldn't it be better to redo the stats/ bonuses on this ship to give gallente a viable fleet BS? Like what? I think it would be neat to have a boost to INCOMING repairs, but idk how that really makes sense. It'd be really cool to see a couple of hyperions roaming with rep drones on each other and really high resists! It would make properly logi'd fleets quite tough, and carrier supported one formidable indeed. At least until ECM comes along, that is. Alternatively, maybe some sort of mobility bonus? MWD speed, or agility? Or perhaps some kind of built-in damage control?
Aestivalis Saidrian SplitPush Mercantiles 18	Posted - 2012.01.18 18:29:00 - [26] - Quote Idea: Since Gallente are about active tanking, change rep bonus to capacitor discount. This goes for all Gallente ships. What it would mean is that you could dual rep wkith ease.
Kagan Storm Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 45	Posted - 2012.01.18 18:31:00 - [27] - Quote My badger needs a new paint job. I also wana take a screeny of a badger wtih a cap gun. why cant i put cap guns on badgers anymore?....grrrrrr My ego is the the size of my carriers jump range. If i comment on your post you are probably not smart and should go back to playing WoW.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 637	Posted - 2012.01.18 18:32:00 - [28] - Quote V'oba wrote: Onictus wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much. This. Wouldn't it be better to redo the stats/ bonuses on this ship to give gallente a viable fleet BS? No, because not all ships should be fleet ships. Frankly the idea of an active tanked blaster ship is ideal - both active tanking and blasters excel in small gang warfare but fail at fleets... just make sure that the ship rocks in small gangs. :) If anything I'd recommend doing something about the "missing" low slot rather than re-role the ship. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 637	Posted - 2012.01.18 18:34:00 - [29] - Quote Dibblerette wrote: Alternatively, maybe some sort of mobility bonus? MWD speed, or agility? Or perhaps some kind of built-in damage control? You don't need to give it a mobility bonus - that is easily done via adjusting base stats on the ship itself. They could even adjust the ship by giving it a bit more armor and thus simulate another low slot by giving it a built in 1600 RT plate (hopefully without the mobility penalty...). There are tons of options... and not all of them require re-rolling the ship. :) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Hoskoal Ricks Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2012.01.18 19:57:00 - [30] - Quote V'oba wrote: Onictus wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much. This. Wouldn't it be better to redo the stats/ bonuses on this ship to give gallente a viable fleet BS? The mega is the gal psuedo-fleet bs. Rails just need more love, imo.

IGNATIUS HOOD Zephyr Corp 262	Posted - 2012.01.18 21:54:00 - [31] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: The Hype is actually pretty sweet... -Liang It has the right look this is for sure. I'm seeing alot more around since the Crucible Hybrid buff. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim' Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you.
Aestivalis Saidrian SplitPush Mercantiles 18	Posted - 2012.01.19 00:33:00 - [32] - Quote What the Hyperion really needs is a role bonus to the mounting and utilization of a DD. I mean, with that prow man. It'd be awesome Namely I just want an excuse to spinal mount something awesome. Kay, I'm done trolling. I think if you gave the Hyperion better agility and top speed, and changed its rep bonus to rep capacitor usage, it'd be set. The Brutix and Myrmidon could both benefit from that change as well.
Diomidis Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED 37	Posted - 2012.01.19 03:40:00 - [33] - Quote Most T1 cruisers, just like most T1 frigs are mostly redundant...a lot of love is needed. ASs will probably receive some love, so... EAFs could follow - par the hyena those are pretty good under some instances, but not good enough vs. T1 or T2 cruisers that do the same job way cheaper (T1) or way better (T2). The Keres is the only one that does fleet work good enough. Sentinel is weak for fleets, nice for solo. The caldari is outclassed by the BB. Hyena...meh... The Cyclone is pretty good as a solo / small gang ship. Active tank or shield buffer/nanoed with extra mid slot over the Cane does serve some roles pretty good. I completely disagree that it's bad. It's the niche of active tanked ships in general that is under-utilized, not the Cyclone, or the Brutix, or the Ferox etc (all of which can play this role with decent performance). Hyperion is darn good - but read above...it's an active tanked ship, or and ultra ganky ship...not bad versatility tbh. I doubt that other tier 3 BSs are way more versatile than that, nor much cheaper. "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell
shal ri Zanzibar Land 6	Posted - 2012.01.20 17:09:00 - [34] - Quote the hype is fine wat it needs is more drones. 4 ogres suck. like stated its a small gang bs. but u can even use it in rr gangs with the proper fit, its really a mean ship. thing of it like a big brutix. it can be shield tanked for gank or rep for tank just because u cant use it in ur gay blobs doesnt mean it needs a rehaul. caldri hacs in general need to be looked over. i didnt even look at the eagle and the cerb cant micro for more then 2 cycles so sustaned fights with that ship is just not goin to happen. basicly if a drake can own it with out thinking it needs a rehaul. the electronic attack frigs look like they could be awsome ships but i think ppl fail to see that they are support ships for frig gangs. think about it a fleet of 12 frigs. u got ur dps assault frigs and ur attack support frigs to keep them alive. if they had more tank and/or speed they would be used alot more. t1 frigs need a look over as well. most players use the same set of frigs for pvp, them being rifter, incursus, tristan, merlan and kestral. wat happened to all the other frigs. ( i know there are some mining and hauling frigs but im lookin at this from the pvp perspective. feel free to make ur own suggestions about how they can change ) some of the cruiser need a look over as well. ( plz do somehting about the thorax ) seems to me the matar has more pvp viable cruisers then the other races. doesnt look like its balanced. theres also hacs that seem to be useless for anything other then sniping ( demios. munnin. eagle. ) when there are ships that cost about the same and do more dmg. ( tempest. rohk. maelstrom. ) black ops ships. these ships are just a cloaky taxi service for black ops drops. i dont use them so i cant say much, but it doesnt seem worth the training time imo. the widow seems to be the only 1 i would bother to train for since its a bigger falcon with bomber/raven like bonuses to torps.
Kn1v3s 999 Aliastra Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2012.01.20 18:23:00 - [35] - Quote Diomidis wrote: Most T1 cruisers, just like most T1 frigs are mostly redundant...a lot of love is needed. ASs will probably receive some love, so... EAFs could follow - par the hyena those are pretty good under some instances, but not good enough vs. T1 or T2 cruisers that do the same job way cheaper (T1) or way better (T2). The Keres is the only one that does fleet work good enough. Sentinel is weak for fleets, nice for solo. The caldari is outclassed by the BB. Hyena...meh... The Cyclone is pretty good as a solo / small gang ship. Active tank or shield buffer/nanoed with extra mid slot over the Cane does serve some roles pretty good. I completely disagree that it's bad. It's the niche of active tanked ships in general that is under-utilized, not the Cyclone, or the Brutix, or the Ferox etc (all of which can play this role with decent performance). Hyperion is darn good - but read above...it's an active tanked ship, or and ultra ganky ship...not bad versatility tbh. I doubt that other tier 3 BSs are way more versatile than that, nor much cheaper. p. much This. People forget that there are 27 frigate t1 out there and only 4-5 are used 16 cruiser t1, and only 4-5 are used People should stop to ask for more faction/tier3 or tech3 stuff if they really want some balance (they don't want actually) Agree with the Hype cost, but the way to fix it is to reduce the cost of the materials needed for it' s production, not making it a Mega mk2 with a tracking bonus. And stop pls to want to remove every ship thta have a different bonus except for /damage/trakcing/ROF/ etc Leave my Rep bonus alone. Not everyone fly in blobs and wnat moar deepees. What armor/rep armor bonus needs is a fix. Making all the ships similar it s not a fix, but a plague for the game
Naomi Knight Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 198	Posted - 2012.01.20 19:43:00 - [36] - Quote top 3:P eagle phoenix nighthawk
Khrage 70	Posted - 2012.01.20 20:08:00 - [37] - Quote grouping similar ships: 1. EAFs. 2. Eagle (mostly the Eagle, but the new BCs out class sniper HACs so much now, and the whole drake/cerb/sacrilege situation isn't in a good place - so Eagle/HAC issues.) 3. Prophecy and (a little less) the Ferox (Cyclone and Brutix seem fine compared to these two) 4. Ashimmu/Cruor and kinda Phantasm/Suc (While their BS brothers are feared, these guys just aren't up to par with the other pirate faction races cruisers/frigates 5. Tier system screws with a lot of ships. though i see why it's good in a lot of ways, when it comes to frigs, cruisers, and BCs; i think a good solution would be having two tiers within cruisers and frigs, one lower one higher obviously, but with multiple ships within the same tier. cruiser examples: maller and omen amarr higher tier and the arb and aug the lower. moa caracal high, osprey blackbird low. thorax vexor high, celestis exeq low. rupture stabber high, scythe belli low. frigate examples: punisher executioner inq high, crucifier magnate tormentor low. merlin kestrel condor high, heron griffin bantam low. tristan incursus atrom high, imicus maulus navitas low. rifter slasher breacher high, burst probe vigil low. putting more ships on the same levels bringing more balance, while still having lower tiered, less expensive, less skill intensive for those roles/newer players. BCs are in the same boat as BSs. the tier system should work. as it does with the BSs. almost any BS can kill any other depending on the situation (assuming skilled pilots). however, when it comes to the BCs the tiers cripple the prophecy and ferox almost completely. and special mention - Liam Mirren wrote: Any list that doesn't have the Navy Osprey on it is by definition incomplete. Go and try make a Nosprey fit that makes sense, I dare you. - seriously...
Nalha Saldana Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 104	Posted - 2012.01.20 20:08:00 - [38] - Quote There is a lot of minor fixes that is really needed out there but these are my top candidates if there would be a big overhaul (in "need of buff" order) augoror scythe ferox sin bellicose prophecy
Guillame Herschel NME1 35	Posted - 2012.01.21 01:08:00 - [39] - Quote Impairor, Ibis and Reaper all need 10m3 drone bandwidth to put them in line with the Velator, which is otherwise massively OP. Opux Luxury Yacht - there needs to be moar of them so I can fly one. Eidolon - needs to be made player-flyable.
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:00:00 - [40] - Quote easy way to fix active tanking bonus for ships (both shield and armor) is to make the 7.5% to effectiveness to internal reps also increase base armor or shield Hit Points Per Level... that way in fleets the hp buffer hyperions and maels will have 37.5% more shields or armor...

Jas Dor Republic University Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:09:00 - [41] - Quote EOS could be fixed by 1. Having the link that boosts sensor strength also boost optimal/falloff, tracking, lock time and lock range. Also give it a 125m drone bay/bandwidth and normal drone bonuses. The EOS is the way it is because back in the day it could be a real bear with 5 heavy drones. The new BCs put something on the field that can has the firepower to defeat the things tank. EOS should be what the Myrm once was.
Spineker 101	Posted - 2012.01.21 05:45:00 - [42] - Quote Eagle and Eos need love like no other two ships in the game. Guess CCP is too busy nerfing things on the word of alliances CMs. Maybe if you balanced things instead of nerfing we would be better off. ECM drones are far MORE Balanced than the drake, we need to hide our heads in the sand over those little guys and play nerfbat.
shlakkk Drama Llamas Phobia. 6	Posted - 2012.01.21 07:43:00 - [43] - Quote some of the ships in this thread that people are calling for to be buffed are just laughable. hyperion? ishtar? really? yeah lets buff the 1800dps hyp, and the hac with some of the best dps and tank. and that can camp bubbles/gates with sentries while being 100km+ away... ok before giving my list of ships that need buffing, take into account my veiw on this topic. NOT ALL SHIPS SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIT THE SAME COOKIE CUTTER TANK,SPANK,POINT,PROP FIT. some should rightly have to make sacrifices, like trying to fit a prop mod onto an active mael is always gonna end badly. every ship shouldn't be able to just do everything well or you get the drake. (which is being changed to make it more specialised.) try some of the boats that actually need it. eg eagle, get rid of the hac bonus to optimal. give bonus too.... dunno lol maybe rof? navy osprey is just lolfail might just have to leave that one. even if it gets buffed no one would use it Ballence the 3 other bops to redeemer levels, basically just give panther and widow more grid, not sure on the sin, and the sin, panth need 1 more turret each and widow might need another launcher. these ships already offer a very specialised role so buffing them does seem slightly besides the point. warping cloaked would be completely imba and anyone saying so should have their intel buffed. eos - try giving it 5 heavys and giving drone dmg bonus in place of hybrid bonus, and -1 high and turret slot. MUST KEEP EWAR LINK BONUS. i honestly cant think of any other ships that seriously need buffing. ppl need to keep in perspective that if you buff say a teir 1 bc it makes the tier 2 less worth paying the extra money for. if you fit it right, a cyclone is not too dissimilar to a cane. and much cheaper. so the cane needs to be bettar to make it worth the isk.
Exploited Engineer Caldari Provisions Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.01.21 07:49:00 - [44] - Quote shlakkk wrote: navy osprey is just lolfail might just have to leave that one. even if it gets buffed no one would use it Rip out launcher slots, put in ~5 turret slots, give it bonuses to medium hybrid damage and/or optimal and medium hybrid falloff. Hey, the Gallente have some railgun boats, why shouldn't the Caldari be allowed to play with blasters? And putting them on their "fastest cruiser" would make some sense.
shlakkk Drama Llamas Phobia. 6	Posted - 2012.01.21 07:55:00 - [45] - Quote King Rothgar wrote: 1) Sin: 5% agility bonus changed to something else (anything is better than that, even cargo capacity). +100% HP, addition of combat recon level resists, 50% more jump drive range. 2) Panther: +1 turret, +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range. 3) Redeemer: +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range. 4) Widow: +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range. 5) Retribution: utility high slot moved to midslot. the AF are getting buffed to insane levels anyway, forget retri your proposed changes to bops make them lolwtfsolopwnmobiles. 100% increase to hp and TII resists? redeemer can already hit 100kehp now. why do you want it to have 250kehp and 1k+dps and a jump drive and no targeting delay after decloaking and a covert jump portal generator. you sir, are a tool.
shlakkk Drama Llamas Phobia. 6	Posted - 2012.01.21 07:57:00 - [46] - Quote Exploited Engineer wrote: shlakkk wrote: navy osprey is just lolfail might just have to leave that one. even if it gets buffed no one would use it Rip out launcher slots, put in ~5 turret slots, give it bonuses to medium hybrid damage and/or optimal and medium hybrid falloff. Hey, the Gallente have some railgun boats, why shouldn't the Caldari be allowed to play with blasters? And putting them on their "fastest cruiser" would make some sense. that would be perfect. not op, just good but no one would use over a navy vexor... u see why i cant really see any hope for it?
Slightly Mental The Exploration and Survey Collective 1	Posted - 2012.01.21 19:33:00 - [47] - Quote no rohk love :(
Khrage 71	Posted - 2012.01.21 23:54:00 - [48] - Quote Slightly Mental wrote: no rohk love :( it's fine. esspecially in context of this thread asking for the top five. so many other ships that need help 1000 times more than the rokh.
Ehn Roh Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.01.22 02:22:00 - [49] - Quote Liam Mirren wrote: Any list that doesn't have the Navy Osprey on it is by definition incomplete. Go and try make a Nosprey fit that makes sense, I dare you. "The fastest Caldari cruiser in existence" Hey, but it's "fast" right? How can you go wrong? I think a lot of the "bad" ships among the vanilla T1 boats is a matter of people trying to use them for things they aren't really intended for. Seems the "lol-bad" ships really seem to start when you get into T2 hulls. I would suggest that most of the bigger problems are coming from mechanics and modules, not ship hulls.
Brutor Slavechild 1039248223 0	Posted - 2012.01.22 02:41:00 - [50] - Quote Anything that is meant to use med rails or cruise missiles is p. much garbage. Eagle is probable the most embarassingly awful t2 ship in the game with absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I think caldari have a leg up on most other races in this regard. Their gunships have a rare gem or two with certain fits, but on the whole they're now mediocre (up from embarassment pre-hybrid-buff). The missile ships have some outright awsome hulls, but more of them are underused for various reasons, missile sniping being a non-role is probably cheif among them. I almost feel bad for ecm wh0res out there. Blatantly too good in small gangs, but I have no idea how ccp will come up with a balanced fix. Chances are good if the falcon and rook get taken off the awsome list caldari are going to fly drakes even more. As a life-long minmatar pilot, I would be seriously pissed off if the only viable ship to fly was the hurricane. Much as I love the hurricane, I need to fly other things every now and then, and it is far more flexible than the drake.

Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 105	Posted - 2012.01.22 04:36:00 - [51] - Quote The Falcon and Rook will look a little less OP when damps get buffed. Right now, for example, you need a minimum of two damps to knock out the targeting on ONE ship, with a Lachesis. Falcon can permajam most ships with ease with one jam each. If the SD buff goes the way I hope, you may be able to address this imbalance via having Lachesis' which can knock 75% off with one damp (turning a 110km Tengu range into 25km). This talk of the Panther et al. being crap will inevitably get the BLOPs prosufs saying "lul lrn 2 BLOPs". I agree to some extent, that skill is needed, but I don't think doubling EHP alone will make these ships useful - it will just see more being killed because the people using them can't do the tactics of BLOPs hotdrops properly. I don't agree that flying cloaky would be OP at the moment, the way their DPS, EHP, etc runs. T3's can do this and fit much more in the way of EWAR (24km webs, etc). I won't cry if they don't change this. People mentioning the Cyclone as a crap ship need their heads inspected. Same with the Execquror. This is a viable logi cruiser for cheapfit gangs and nubs. My top 5: Eagle Augoror Sin (because its woeful) Eos T1 frigs, T1 cruisers, EWAR frigs and Lachesis The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
Todd Jaeger Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 4	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:16:00 - [52] - Quote Naradius wrote: Phantasm It looks cool in the hanger, but suffered big time with the Sansha nerf - terrible HP and no cap. Ishtar I don't know...whatever I try or do with it, I can always find something better to use for PvP...makes me a sad bunny. Never recovered from the nano nerf. Eos I agree with previous posts. Info links suck, so as a Cpmmand Ship the Eos sucks. Deimos What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Only 4?...hmmm, ok - most Caldari hybrid/rail platforms need some kind of buff. i agree,phantasm is almost useless unless you want to shoot a single frigate a a time,ishtar is pretty hardcore in the hand of a pro,not know much about eos,and deimos is one of the toughest hacs in the hand of a pro. coercer needs buff (a mid slot to be precise)
DooDoo Gum Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2012.01.25 04:19:00 - [53] - Quote The widow needs an isk cost buff
Brynhilda Massive PVPness EntroPraetorian Aegis 78	Posted - 2012.01.25 19:56:00 - [54] - Quote No mention of the Phantasm? How may I drug you with drugs?
Hijeri Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 68	Posted - 2012.01.26 13:27:00 - [55] - Quote Drake, Hurricane.
Izziee The Scope Gallente Federation 43	Posted - 2012.01.26 14:05:00 - [56] - Quote By far the dominix is the most useless. It's so freaking ugly I can't bring myself to use it. I tried, oh how I tried to pretend it's like one of those ugly girls that make you happy, so you take her out in private so no one can see you, but the thing is, people do see me in it, so I dumped her, she sits in my bay crying that I don't play with her anymore. I've tried to make her diet but alas, nothing. To me, it's the most useless because it just sits there. All lumpy like. Now, if she got a make over, she'd be the best damn thing in the Universe, but until then, she's just another embarrassing body I don't wish to be seen with.


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