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JackknifedII
Minmatar
The Evil Ducks
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.06 12:09:00 -
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Greetings
Running a pos and scraping isk for a carrier has taken its toll on my eve life, so me and a corp mate are taking a break, bought a couple of HACs (vagabond and ishtur) and are taking a brief relaxing walk into the relms of piracy.
I was wondering if there are any rules of engagement at all, i know some do this for a living and dont want to put a mark against anyones names. Also what sort or ransoms you ask for? (I've only been ransomed once and that guy met a swift firey death since i wasnt gonna pay. Silly noob raven pilots)
Anyway, basic guidelines or advice on how to setup would be appreciated, i believe we have the right ships for the job 
You are pirates because you ARRRR
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Centurion Dracus
Amarr
The Confederacy
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Posted - 2007.09.06 12:40:00 -
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I believe there is only one rule of piracy, and that is.
Always honour ransoms.
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Kalazar
Amarr
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.06 12:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Centurion Dracus
Always honour ransoms.
This.
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JackknifedII
Minmatar
The Evil Ducks
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.06 13:02:00 -
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noted
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B1G DAVE
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.09.06 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Centurion Dracus
I believe there is only one rule of piracy, and that is.
Always honour your word.
Fixed.
Always honour your word, whether it be a ransom, or a 1v1 etc etc.
Apart from that, just kill and ransom everything you can get your hands on
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Kayna Eelai
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Posted - 2007.09.06 13:11:00 -
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1) SHIP SETUPS
2) allways honour your word. even if it costs you a ship. honour > ships
and not much more a newb like me could add i guess.
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3yeb4ll
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.06 13:32:00 -
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Wow - are we back to the discussion about "honour" and crap YET AGAIN? 
To the OP - do what you want. All this stuff about honouring ransoms is utter rubbish - anyone honouring ransoms isn't a real pirate anyway, based on historical evidence. Do whatever it takes to win - lie, cheat and steal, as long as you get the loot 
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Ladyah Liandri
A GmbH
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Posted - 2007.09.06 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: 3yeb4ll
Wow - are we back to the discussion about "honour" and crap YET AGAIN?
To the OP - do what you want. All this stuff about honouring ransoms is utter rubbish - anyone honouring ransoms isn't a real pirate anyway, based on historical evidence. Do whatever it takes to win - lie, cheat and steal, as long as you get the loot
As if a Racketeer has a clue what a "real" pirate is anyway.
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Avery Fatwallet
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Posted - 2007.09.06 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Avery Fatwallet on 06/09/2007 14:08:43
real or not real who gives a ****.
the world's evolving, and things change.
in eve, piracy is a business, and all you have (besides your guns and propulsion jamming I) to make money is your word.
and it hurts business not honoring your word.
i read this the other day:
since the price crash on t2 due to invention, pirates are more dependant on ransoms to fund their profession.
i think thats true.
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Lavraen
Minmatar
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.06 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ladyah Liandri
Originally by: 3yeb4ll
Wow - are we back to the discussion about "honour" and crap YET AGAIN?
To the OP - do what you want. All this stuff about honouring ransoms is utter rubbish - anyone honouring ransoms isn't a real pirate anyway, based on historical evidence. Do whatever it takes to win - lie, cheat and steal, as long as you get the loot
As if a Racketeer has a clue what a "real" pirate is anyway.
So enlighten us then. What is your definition of a "real" pirate?
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3yeb4ll
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.06 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: 3yeb4ll on 06/09/2007 14:20:56
From the various discussions here in C&P it seems like there's a growing consensus that "real" pirates wouldn't honour anything, ever, at all.
I personally couldn't give a toss about "honour". Why honour ransoms? Why not take the ransom and shoot them anyway? I don't depend wholly on make a living out of ransoming people and I don't perceive a hugely negative sec status as a badge of merit - in fact it's a bit dim imo because it reduces access to potential targets
No - real pirates would sell their own mothers for a t1 cargo expander and some fresh carebear tears...because they can.
Racketeers - keeping piracy real (tm)
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Kayna Eelai
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Posted - 2007.09.06 15:07:00 -
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there was a post around with links to RL pirates.
there you can read that most of them had very strict rules, guidelines and "laws" between their own crew (which extends to many ships)
not much info about their rules and honour when it comes to "outsiders" tho
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.09.06 15:15:00 -
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I love the discussions of pirate and honour.
17th(?) Century pirate. Unrelenting murderer and thief. When he was killed, he stayed dead. The price was paid.
Fast Forward a few centuries.
Hollywood makes pirates kewl. With a Kapital K for Knightly.
Hollywood gives them honour, codes, guidelines whatever.
The sheep of the new era rejoice, send kids to fancy dress as pirates, and are happy to say "I'm a pirate".
In this new era, who has been selected by the authorities of the day to be the new face of evil they "protect" you from?
Take your pick.
Terrorists or peadophiles. Either works.
Fast Forward a few centuries.
See where I am going yet?
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MITSUK0
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Posted - 2007.09.06 15:49:00 -
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Real pirates in internet spaceships, whatever next.
I think it is pretty safe to say that Veto are well known for keeping thier word, which means a higher chance of a guy paying up the ransom. They have also grown a pretty fearsome rep for been stand up fighters. Quite a few times I've heard the scout say "guys, Veto in local" rather than just "blinkys in local" like when any other pirate corp is seen.
Personally this would mean more to me than the extra few bucks I could make by dishounering ransoms/1v1's.
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3yeb4ll
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.06 15:55:00 -
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I guess that's the difference between "real" pirates and good business sense then 
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Krows
Resource Reallocators Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.09.06 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
I love the discussions of pirate and honour.
17th(?) Century pirate. Unrelenting murderer and thief. When he was killed, he stayed dead. The price was paid.
Fast Forward a few centuries.
Hollywood makes pirates kewl. With a Kapital K for Knightly.
Hollywood gives them honour, codes, guidelines whatever.
The sheep of the new era rejoice, send kids to fancy dress as pirates, and are happy to say "I'm a pirate".
In this new era, who has been selected by the authorities of the day to be the new face of evil they "protect" you from?
Take your pick.
Terrorists or peadophiles. Either works.
Fast Forward a few centuries.
See where I am going yet?
I don't know about you guys, but "Pedophiles in the Caribbean " is going to be a bad ass movie.
  
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Kayna Eelai
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Posted - 2007.09.06 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
Hollywood gives them honour, codes, guidelines whatever.
wrong. they had that long before hollywood. go read some wikipedia at least and inform yourself before making false statements.
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Lupus Y0nderb0y
Minmatar
The Apaches
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Posted - 2007.09.06 16:29:00 -
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yeah, pirates were the most democratic "community" in the 17th century, those codex thing that is coming up in so many books and movies has a true base
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Zen Guerrilla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.09.06 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zen Guerrilla on 06/09/2007 17:10:25
God, who gives a **** about the goddamn pirate concept?
Everyone got his own opinion, get over it. Mine is that the majority of the eve "pirates" is just a bunch of intergalactic schoolyard bullies. RAK for example certainly isn't anything like pirates. The only resemblance here is that both are commanding ships.
And to the OP, do what you like. Play pirate and follow some code of honor or just gank away. You decide, you're the one flying the ship. On the amount of ISK to ransom, i'd go by the age of the guy.
But any figures, i dunno really, i never got ransomed so far. People seem to love my corpse. :)
And maybe don't start pvping with the expensive stuff right away. Start cheap, get the hang of it, then work up to the better ships. Way more fun that way.
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Shai Uroku
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Posted - 2007.09.06 18:57:00 -
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I read a bio today, stating that PvP is not about who`s best, but who`s left. Even though I tend to pirate for recreational purposes only, and as such leave haulers obvious noobs alone, I still think piracy is all down to what you make it. If you want to blow ships up for fun and try to make ISK off the loot and wrecks, your word is of no consequence. If, on the other hand you want make ISK off ransoming, you must never pass up a good hauler or miner, and the more times you go back on your word, the more you will turn into the previous type of pirate.
On that note though, how cool would EvE piracy be if you could force someone to eject and leave their ship? Now THAT would be proper piracy... 
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3yeb4ll
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.06 20:10:00 -
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Errr-you can?
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Eftim S'Jet
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.06 21:01:00 -
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What the heck?
OP - do whatever you WANT to do in any ship you can AFFORD to lose. The only rule EVE should have. You're the one forking up 15 bucks each month.
P.S. Just because Veto are recognised as highly honourable and good PVPers doesn't mean they should be the model to base piracy on. So STOP shoving them in our face.
Money on your head?
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Jacob Castillo
Caldari
Copperhead Inc.
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.06 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Eftim S'Jet
OP - do whatever you WANT to do in any ship you can AFFORD to lose.
Raise your hand if you follow this rule. I don't.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
Finite Horizon
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.09.06 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: JackknifedII
Greetings
Running a pos and scraping isk for a carrier has taken its toll on my eve life, so me and a corp mate are taking a break, bought a couple of HACs (vagabond and ishtur) and are taking a brief relaxing walk into the relms of piracy.
I was wondering if there are any rules of engagement at all, i know some do this for a living and dont want to put a mark against anyones names. Also what sort or ransoms you ask for? (I've only been ransomed once and that guy met a swift firey death since i wasnt gonna pay. Silly noob raven pilots)
Anyway, basic guidelines or advice on how to setup would be appreciated, i believe we have the right ships for the job
You are pirates because you ARRRR
If you need to ask about rules of engagement for piracy you probably shouldn't be a pirate.
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Plaetean
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.06 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: 3yeb4ll
Wow - are we back to the discussion about "honour" and crap YET AGAIN?
To the OP - do what you want. All this stuff about honouring ransoms is utter rubbish - anyone honouring ransoms isn't a real pirate anyway, based on historical evidence. Do whatever it takes to win - lie, cheat and steal, as long as you get the loot
We're playing an internet spaceship game, historical evidence about what the word pirate means doesn't mean ****.
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port22
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.09.07 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Plaetean
Originally by: 3yeb4ll
Wow - are we back to the discussion about "honour" and crap YET AGAIN?
To the OP - do what you want. All this stuff about honouring ransoms is utter rubbish - anyone honouring ransoms isn't a real pirate anyway, based on historical evidence. Do whatever it takes to win - lie, cheat and steal, as long as you get the loot
We're playing an internet spaceship game, historical evidence about what the word pirate means doesn't mean ****.
That is the absolute truth of the subject.
I play the game how I want. Nobody tells me I should be playing with honour. A pirate chooses how he wants to play. If he has honour so be it, if he does not, so be it.
I play the game to win. As long as I dont break game rules, its allowed and viable.
Deal with it, without crying preferably.
Originally by: Temp Boi
Port FTMFW Period.
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Icome4u
Caldari
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.09.07 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 07/09/2007 03:15:51
It's spelled HONOR. If you are going to honor or not honor your word, at least spell honor right :)
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If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.07 03:22:00 -
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Honor ransoms and have fun. If your not having fun your not doing it right.
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Modrak Vseth
Veto. Academy
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.07 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Icome4u
Edited by: Icome4u on 07/09/2007 03:15:51
It's spelled HONOR. If you are going to honor or not honor your word, at least spell honor right :)
Unless you're a Brit (or using British English)... in which case it's spelled honour.
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Arii Smith
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.09.07 04:22:00 -
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I wish other Americans would realize that this game is European. It seems like a shock to most...
T Racketeers: Are you guys trying to make us laugh on purpose?
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3yeb4ll
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.07 08:34:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Arii Smith
T Racketeers: Are you guys trying to make us laugh on purpose?
As a member of one of the premier pirate corps in the game, I resent that 
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Spitzerr
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.07 08:49:00 -
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Honor is for pussies.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.09.07 09:33:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Jacob Castillo
Originally by: Eftim S'Jet
OP - do whatever you WANT to do in any ship you can AFFORD to lose.
Raise your hand if you follow this rule. I don't.
I do.
Every miner does.
If you're in a merc corp and you are ORDERED to camp a station round the clock. Are you doing what you want to? If yes, then er... fun. If not, quit that corp.
Anybody who is NOT doing what they want to has issues they need to get addressed. Ctrl-Q would sound like a good start. Log back in after you've had a lil' think.
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Scott Ryder
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Posted - 2007.09.07 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: 3yeb4ll
Originally by: Arii Smith
T Racketeers: Are you guys trying to make us laugh on purpose?
As a member of one of the premier pirate corps in the game, I resent that
I think that just is wrong :p
A good reason to honor ransoms is to keep the customers to come back, why kill the damn cow when you can milk it forever and ever?
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3yeb4ll
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.07 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: 3yeb4ll on 07/09/2007 14:29:18
because some of us detest milk and ENJOY the sound cows make when they die.
MOOOOOOOoooooooooo...ooo..ooo...o........
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Freddy Jnr
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.07 14:40:00 -
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Ok,
I'm sorry that people like us stop "real" pirates making money from ransoms but if it's that much of an issue, I'd suggest you adapted your game plan.
FYI - We have members who do and members who don't honour ransoms. There is no corp stance on it.
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JackknifedII
Minmatar
The Evil Ducks
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.07 16:38:00 -
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Well i seem to have started something of an arguement.
However we were flying ships we couldnt afford to lose....and had a BLAST! Although the 1st kill was infact a pirate drake camping a gate...so anti piracy really 
And the 10 mil ransom i offered a kestrel wasnt accepted
Thats my kind of pvp, proper on the edge of your wallet/solo/small gang fun. Makes a pleasent change from the blobtastic
Expect to hear about the ducks more and more...
Local full of QUAKKS!
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Plaetean
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.07 16:52:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Icome4u
Edited by: Icome4u on 07/09/2007 03:15:51
It's spelled HONOR. If you are going to honor or not honor your word, at least spell honor right :)
Honour is a perfectly valid spelling of the word.
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Jove Centauri
DEATH'S LEGION
Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.07 17:45:00 -
[39]
Originally by: JackknifedII
Greetings
Running a pos and scraping isk for a carrier has taken its toll on my eve life, so me and a corp mate are taking a break, bought a couple of HACs (vagabond and ishtur) and are taking a brief relaxing walk into the relms of piracy.
I was wondering if there are any rules of engagement at all, i know some do this for a living and dont want to put a mark against anyones names. Also what sort or ransoms you ask for? (I've only been ransomed once and that guy met a swift firey death since i wasnt gonna pay. Silly noob raven pilots)
Anyway, basic guidelines or advice on how to setup would be appreciated, i believe we have the right ships for the job
You are pirates because you ARRRR
YAARR! Always honor ransoms, and never agree to a 1 v 1, because 95% of the time you WILL GET BONED UP the *** by a blob.
Blow their ship up (KILLMAIL FTW) steal their phat loots, scramble their pod, and demand lots of iskies! Failure to comply will result in a horrfying "crunch" as their bodies are sucked into the vacuum of space.
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GandolftheWhite
Gallente
The Hull Miners Union
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Posted - 2007.09.07 22:20:00 -
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If you are planning on sticking in an area for a good bit of time, and would like your ransoms paid, then honour them, otherwise it doesnt really matter. People get used to seeing pirates near the systems they live in. They either move, pay extortion fees, or get used to losing thier ships on a daily basis.
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Ujagar Sommdax
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.09 12:45:00 -
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Hounoring ransoms or not? I've done both and generally do whatever fits since we dont have a corp stance on the matter.
I let a hulk go the other day after he paid a sweet 100m. Was quite a funny fight. He had a ferox buddy warp in and his buddy started suicide ganking my tristan. I was lucky they weren't in the same corp so I wasn't flagged to him and this being .8 highsec concord showed up not long after popping his ship. 
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.09.10 05:56:00 -
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Edited by: Arekhon on 10/09/2007 05:57:30
Originally by: Arii Smith
I wish other Americans would realize that this game is European. It seems like a shock to most..
its the ignorant ones that show their true colours
"Where are you guys going in your battleships?"
"We are going to camp in Amamake; kill 500 carebears and 1 NPC"
"Why are you gonna kill an NPC?"
"See, nobody cares about the carebears!"
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.09.10 06:10:00 -
[43]
Originally by: 3yeb4ll
Originally by: Arii Smith
T Racketeers: Are you guys trying to make us laugh on purpose?
As a member of one of the premier pirate corps in the game, I resent that
*cough*premier*cough*
based on what I see from you guys on the forums you have yet to show the behavior of a premier pirate corp.
"Where are you guys going in your battleships?"
"We are going to camp in Amamake; kill 500 carebears and 1 NPC"
"Why are you gonna kill an NPC?"
"See, nobody cares about the carebears!"
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Ascrethy
Gallente
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.09.10 09:19:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Modrak Vseth
Originally by: Icome4u
Edited by: Icome4u on 07/09/2007 03:15:51
It's spelled HONOR. If you are going to honor or not honor your word, at least spell honor right :)
Unless you're a Brit (or using British English)... in which case it's spelled honour.
As such I refer you to my corp ...
As I walked through the valley of the shadow of death, I did fear no evil, as I carried a big stick, and was the meanest mofo in the valley |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.09.10 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Pinky Denmark on 10/09/2007 12:46:08
Originally by: Spitzerr
Honor is for pussies.
Honor might be for pussies...
But Honour is for real men... 
I've just had a wartarget saying that podding is not allowed unless you are a pirate So obviously Eve have rules we don't know about...
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I'm a nice guy!!
MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!! |
Dhejay Centrix
Caldari
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.10 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Modrak Vseth
Unless you're a Brit (or using British English)... in which case it's spelled honour.
Errrm, it's called English for a reason...
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