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OldMan Gana
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:12:00 -
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Eve is a game in a competitive market. As the market is constantly changing, so EVE should be constantly developing. That's the facts of business. If tinkering with SP appeals to the market then tinkering there will be. If there are other MMO's who do or are doing something similar then it's natural that EVE will do the same. " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:13:00 -
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OldMan Gana wrote:Eve is a game in a competitive market. As the market is constantly changing, so EVE should be constantly developing. That's the facts of business. If tinkering with SP appeals to the market then tinkering there will be. If there are other MMO's who do or are doing something similar then it's natural that EVE will do the same.
There are, and there are tones (WOW comes to mind, and any other clone). But what drove people toward EVE was that in here, there is not. |
Frank Graden
Axiom Navy
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:08:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:OldMan Gana wrote:Eve is a game in a competitive market. As the market is constantly changing, so EVE should be constantly developing. That's the facts of business. If tinkering with SP appeals to the market then tinkering there will be. If there are other MMO's who do or are doing something similar then it's natural that EVE will do the same. There are, and there are tones (WOW comes to mind, and any other clone). But what drove people toward EVE was that in here, there is not.
And then I'll respec my player into Azeroth then eat a bullet because I'm playing wow.
Thats why alot of people play EVE, it doesnt follow the market, its dark and brutal and mistakes count for something here. If you make a mistake and blowup you lose your ship forever, you cant wait 15min and get it back. Our choices count for something, good or bad and we have to live with them. That is what makes EVE so great. Tough s**t that you skill trained like a noob for 2 months, maybe you should have found a corp to teach you what to skill train earlier.
No respec for nurfs. Respec only for skills removed from the game. You dont like it go play with your barbie dolls. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
72
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Posted - 2012.01.20 07:12:00 -
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I'll +1 on the idea that full or partial respecs shouldn't be allowed; I've got no use for them anyway, so it really doesn't matter to me.
A very limited respec might not be terrible, but it should come at a cost: Wipe 1.2 million SP, and get 600K back to spend as you wish. This will limit Respecs being influenced by attribute mechanics, and make people think twice before doing it. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:37:00 -
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So I'm going to agree, and disagree, and also show you the parts you missed, but first, lets go over your examples:
Max Kolonko wrote: When titans lost ability to shoot DD trough portal and later lost AOE effect - no one refunded them their Energy Weapons V
Titans could still Doomsday after this change, so there wouldn't have been a need to give them these sp back.
Your example would have been better if they'd removed the DD.
Max Kolonko wrote:When SB lost cruise bonus no one gave us Cruise specialisation back as SP
If you maxed out missile training, all of the supporting skills went directly into the new weapons type, and you could always just get out of the ship and put those cruise missile skills to use in another ship.
Max Kolonko wrote:When there was nano nerf, no one gave us back skills from navigation and minmatar HAC 5
Navigation skills work across all ships, what you're neglecting to see is that they did in fact pull all of the implant sets from everybody on the cluster, they weren't going to be as useful, so they gave you the option of plugging them back in or not.
Max Kolonko wrote:When you nerfed PI, no one gave us back PI skiils
You could still do PI after the change.
Max Kolonko wrote:When you nerfed carriers (removed large cargo-hold) no one refunded us capital skills
The carrier was still a carrier, why would they give you skill points back for it? If you'd have trained carrier 5, and they removed carriers, and didn't refund your SP, this would be a valid point.
You see, some of the SC pilots have been in SC's for years, they can't leave the ship, and they trained all those drone skills on purpose, they were stuck in the ship, there was nothing it could do but launch drones, so they maxed out their drones.
A closer comparison would be like, if they suddenly redid all the Amarr ships with no guns on them, no more lasers, just missiles. They would in fact give players those skill points back, as its a fairly radical change that has drastic consequences that disrupt years of training.
Its not the nerfing of single weapons system that you can take or leave, its the complete re-imagination of a platform, where 10+ million sp (minimum, some more like 15) are now absolutely worthless, and the pilot isn't able to just reship and use them in something else
ALL THAT SAID
That part goes on to talk about the alternative, which is dockable 0.0 stations for supers, which relieves some of the burden from the Supercarrier pilot, it then gives him the OPTION of using those skills that he's spent years training in a different platform, like the case with the Stealthbomber nerf you mentioned.
One way or another, the super pilots who've spent years in training just got pretty boned with that removal, it wouldn't be a blanket respec, it would likely be targeted at any pilot currently in a supercarrier. |
J Kunjeh
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Posted - 2012.01.20 15:17:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:My point being that I am not going to freak out about the "possible" consequences of something we know nothing about yet. They said they had an idea for a limited SP respec. That's it...other than that we know NOTHING! No need to freak out about it. We don't even know what they have in mind for the word "limited".
We know what they meant. Here's an explanation for you from Seleene's blog (member of CSM6):
Quote: Pilots - most particularly super-carrier pilots - should be given a "partial respec" of their skill-points
I don't like re-specs at all. That being said I did, at the urging of several people that contacted me, bring up the fact that there are a lot of ~mad~ supercarrier pilots out there who now have literally millions of skill points in drones trained which they can do nothing with. Yes, yes, whaaaaaaaaa, etc... However, I'm one of these people. Seleene has been in a Nyx since late 2006 and, once you make that leap, about the only thing left to actually train was the drone skills. I maxed those out years ago. I think it's kind of dumb that I can no longer use those skills that I trained specifically for the ship I was flying / trapped in. However, I'd still prefer the docking solution I mentioned earlier before opening the Pandora's Box of respecs.
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Jalmari Huitsikko
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.01.22 04:01:00 -
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I DEMAND BACK ALL MY DRAKE SKILLPOINTS
I WANT TO SPEND THEM ON TITAN
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Jade Mitch
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2012.01.24 03:43:00 -
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My skill points represent all the time and money I've poured into Eve since day one, many years ago. Eve is all about the *natural consequences* of your choices, not about arbitrary limitations. If I make some bad skill choices with a char, the only way to correct it is to recycle the char and make a new one, thereby flushing my time and money down the drain. Nothing in your wall of text explains the imbalance or inequity of a skill point redistribution mechanism so, I still see nothing wrong with it. -1 |
Phoehnix
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.01.24 09:51:00 -
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Well the big problem with the docking alternative is super carrier docking games.. *shivers* |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:14:00 -
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Jade Mitch wrote:If I make some bad skill choices with a char, the only way to correct it is to recycle the char and make a new one, thereby flushing my time and money down the drain.
Or you know, just train something else and go ask your doctor for stronger OCD medicine. |
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E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:40:00 -
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I do not think there should be a refund.
Do i get to refund projectile skills to train rails because they are finally usefull on a myrmidon?
Also any skill refund is just bad, it will always favor the higher SP pilots.
Need more-ádecent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term personal and corp goals. This applies to PvE and PvP. |
MinerChick
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:17:00 -
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I honestly would be fine with it if it was on a timer like remaps. That way character sales would be nicer because you could buy a character with the SP respec and move skill points out of like Electronic attack ships 5 and put them into something good. But hey I still have not remapped because 15 Charisma is the best, but being able to lose some skills and move the SP around would be cool. |
Janus Konor
Left Leaning Liberals Beware
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:55:00 -
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I agree, no re-spec. As mentioned before, if there was a cap on skill limits, then respec yes. But since we have 0 limitation, then there should be 0 respec. You got the benefits of your sp when you could. Sorry its changed. In that case, refund all the ships you blew up because of your investment in those drone skills. I dont see anyone jumping at that.
+1, No respec. Its eve stop whining. This universe is to harsh and cold for your whining over SP points to have any effect. |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:32:00 -
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~ consequences ~ Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
WIdot Director of Quality Control and Ironically Signing My Title to Posts To Make People ~mad~ |
SketS47
Alpha Intellectual Military Solutions
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:26:00 -
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The option to relocate sp points is a horrible horrible horrible idea.. If this happends I will never again play eve.
(opinion of an used to be super active player till leaks showed were nothing but money bunnys for ccp wich sorta ruined the game.. also adding wth is my station walking wich was promised? Why are botters still not removed? Why the gay cave in to our demands in the last few months, its not sincere so stop the crap!) |
BigRed Seven
404 File Not Found
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:52:00 -
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I have been playing eve since 06 and I have made some bad choices of skills over the year. Being an older player I think the perks need to flow like wine for us who have been playing for a long time. That is why I think respec is a good thing. I am all in favor for respec but there should be some constraints.
1. Respec once a year only. 2. Limit of 10 million skill points.
That's my opinion
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
978
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:20:00 -
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BigRed Seven wrote:I have been playing eve since 06 and I have made some bad choices of skills over the year. Being an older player I think the perks need to flow like wine for us who have been playing for a long time. That is why I think respec is a good thing. I am all in favor for respec but there should be some constraints.
1. Respec once a year only. 2. Limit of 10 million skill points.
That's my opinion
Feel free to post in my thread and flame to your hearts content as the other two people that have posted have been for 3 pages.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59605&find=unread
Seriously though...if you want a respec to happen, idea's need to be put forth that work. Being a vet myself I don't necessarily want a respec option to be put into the game. But if the idea of one benefits EvE and CCP as a whole and also makes sense in it's introduction to the game then I will back it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Sicex
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:27:00 -
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EVE is not like other games with a finite amount of SP or 'tech-tree' options.
Everyone has the ability to train everything to max... The time frame in which you choose to train something is completely up to you and there should never be any sort of Respec option. |
Samillian
Jump.Jump.Jump.
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Posted - 2012.01.25 14:06:00 -
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No to SP Respec, live with the consequences of your decisions. |
Sundarpants
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.25 15:50:00 -
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+1 No Respec in Eve |
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Manji Lee
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.01.25 16:08:00 -
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I'm not supporting drone respec for supercap pilot. It's completely a bullshit idea. And it gives a odd mix message to a lot vet's. I mean if they can get a respec on drones. Then as a combat pilot, why can't I get a repsec on the mining skills that I have already? |
Viribus
Lynch Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:04:00 -
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I just want to get rid of my goddamn industry skills |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
995
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:02:00 -
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Viribus wrote:I just want to get rid of my goddamn industry skills Many of us would feel your pain. Personally I have a few I wouldn't mind getting rid of but I do use them from time to time. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:48:00 -
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I am not seeing the rational between remap and respec. At the game's inception players would choose a culture within a race. The system had hard-coded attributes which would be beneficial to particular career path in the game. Too bad if you decided you wanted to move from Industry to Trading.
Based on the sentiment of many opposing respec, "live with the choice" - players would still be trapped without remaps.
I am in favour an extremely limited respec system. Something like 3% of total SP, every two years.
The re-distrubution of Learning SP and adjustment to Social SP were widely welcome in the game. Providing some proof that the system of respec can be worked without major harm to the status quo. |
Xyzibit
New-Roots
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Posted - 2012.01.31 10:45:00 -
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voting AGAINST respec / remap of SP NOT even 1% per anno... |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2012.01.31 12:40:00 -
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another NO to any type of respec.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Lili Lu
170
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Posted - 2012.02.01 00:30:00 -
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What a bunch of butthurt from supercarrier club pilots whining to selene. Oh but I can't use the fighterbombers anymore whaaaaaaa.
Bullshit, you just can't use them to kill everything now, you can still use them in much more limited role.
No respecs, not for noobs who want to dump mining skills that they used.
No respecs, not for petulent supercarrier pilots that used they drone skill for how many months to kill everything in sight and now can still use them but just not to kill everything in sight.
No respecs, to use the meme, cry more. |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear
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Posted - 2012.02.01 14:02:00 -
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Triana wrote:No respec, ever.
THIS |
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