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Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
48
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Posted - 2012.01.18 09:51:00 -
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(edit: I You dont know what i'm taliking about, read sumit minutes - theyre is a possibility they will add limited SP mechanism in eve)
SP respec. I mean, really? SP respec in my EVE?
I think someone got hit in the head with something heavy.
When titans lost ability to shoot DD trough portal and later lost AOE effect - no one refunded them their Energy Weapons V When SB lost cruise bonus no one gave us Cruise specialisation back as SP When there was nano nerf, no one gave us back skills from navigation and minmatar HAC 5 When you nerfed PI, no one gave us back PI skiils When you nerfed carriers (removed large cargo-hold) no one refunded us capital skills
SO WHY THE HELL, when SC nerf hits we suddenly hear about giving back skills for drones, or more, even SP RESPEC MECHANISM?
Eve is all about action and consequences of said actions. As oposed to games like WOW, where there is limit of what i can learn, there is no situation when i hit imaginery wall and can not train further
In EVE when i no longer need some skills (want to check something new) i just start training them. I remap and +5 needed skills and start trainig for new stuff.
This will actually hit new players very hard - imagine that we have 100m SP bitter-vet and 5m SP no-longer-noob fresh player. Imagine now that CCP introduced new type of ships - something in range of new player that don't require tons of skills to fly.
What new payer can do? well, he have no skills to abandon just like that, so he have to train for it. What about bitter-vet? Well, he just drop his Titan 5 and gets all needed skill to lvl 5 in minutes.
This in turn will cause even larger gap between veterans and new players. Right now when something new is introduced (PI for example) all payers are on equal footing - everyone have to train to use new stuff. OFC veterans have more isk = can use +5, possible have remaps for such occasion stored, so they can get there slightly faster - but they still have to train to it.
SO ALL IN ALL - DONT RESPEC, OR WE WILL LOOSE ALL RESPECT :)
(by We i mean I, and everyone thinking alike) |

Jabba Miner
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:49:00 -
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I agree. No respec in my EVE |

Triana
Bulls On Parade
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:24:00 -
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No respec, ever.
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Takeshi Yamato
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
135
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Posted - 2012.01.18 12:04:00 -
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I want mining gone from my character sheet 
Otherwise I agree, being able to respec from one FOTM to the next would be bad. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
238
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Posted - 2012.01.18 14:53:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:(edit: If You don't know what i'm taliking about, read sumit minutes - theyre is a possibility they will add limited SP respecialisation mechanism in eve)
SP respec. I mean, really? SP respec in my EVE?
I think someone got hit in the head with something heavy.
When titans lost ability to shoot DD trough portal and later lost AOE effect - no one refunded them their Energy Weapons V When SB lost cruise bonus no one gave us Cruise specialisation back as SP When there was nano nerf, no one gave us back skills from navigation and minmatar HAC 5 When you nerfed PI, no one gave us back PI skiils When you nerfed carriers (removed large cargo-hold) no one refunded us capital skills
SO WHY THE HELL, when SC nerf hits we suddenly hear about giving back skills for drones, or more, even SP RESPEC MECHANISM?
Eve is all about action and consequences of said actions. As oposed to games like WOW, where there is limit of what i can learn, there is no situation when i hit imaginery wall and can not train further
In EVE when i no longer need some skills (want to check something new) i just start training them. I remap and +5 needed skills and start trainig for new stuff.
This will actually hit new players very hard - imagine that we have 100m SP bitter-vet and 5m SP no-longer-noob fresh player. Imagine now that CCP introduced new type of ships - something in range of new player that don't require tons of skills to fly.
What new payer can do? well, he have no skills to abandon just like that, so he have to train for it. What about bitter-vet? Well, he just drop his Titan 5 and gets all needed skill to lvl 5 in minutes.
This in turn will cause even larger gap between veterans and new players. Right now when something new is introduced (PI for example) all payers are on equal footing - everyone have to train to use new stuff. OFC veterans have more isk = can use +5, possible have remaps for such occasion stored, so they can get there slightly faster - but they still have to train to it.
SO ALL IN ALL - DONT RESPEC, OR WE WILL LOOSE ALL RESPECT :)
(by We i mean I, and everyone thinking alike)
*wipes off spittle from shouting*
Hate to break it to you...but its already there in the game...they've used it twice now. But I support either way. |

Jaari Val'Dara
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
56
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Posted - 2012.01.18 14:58:00 -
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Takeshi Yamato wrote:I want mining gone from my character sheet  Otherwise I agree, being able to respec from one FOTM to the next would be bad.
+1, I would use it even if I got nothing in return :D |

Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
61
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:19:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:
*wipes off spittle from shouting*
Hate to break it to you...but its already there in the game...they've used it twice now. But I support either way.
There is a difference between allowing players to choose what they dont like - remove it - and aply somewhere else
AND
reinbursting players for skills that where completely removed from game. |

Goose99
708
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:57:00 -
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Preemptive whine leading to premature butthurt, lulz
-1 |

Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
62
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:00:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Preemptive whine leading to premature butthurt, lulz  -1
Hi goose99, good we have professional troll in here, this thread was definetly to much one-sided until now :) |

TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:33:00 -
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Posting in a "bitter vet afraid of change!" thread |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
241
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:49:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:
*wipes off spittle from shouting*
Hate to break it to you...but its already there in the game...they've used it twice now. But I support either way.
There is a difference between allowing players to choose what they dont like - remove it - and aply somewhere else AND reinbursting players for skills that where completely removed from game.
You've got some serious issues man.  |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
514
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:40:00 -
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Jabba Miner wrote:I agree. No respec in my EVE Yea
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1110
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:43:00 -
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No to any SP respec what so ever.
Whoever dreamed this up should be taken out back and shot.
Survivors should be shot again. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
949
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:26:00 -
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Depends on what the "limited" part of the SP respec means.
-1 Because I think some respec is needed if not just to get rid of useless starter skills. Not to mention it won't hurt anything at all and this entire thread is one huge overreaction to nothing at all. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
244
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:31:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Depends on what the "limited" part of the SP respec means.
-1 Because I think some respec is needed if not just to get rid of useless starter skills. Not to mention it won't hurt anything at all and this entire thread is one huge overreaction to nothing at all.
And once again you miss the point. |

Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
101
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:31:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Depends on what the "limited" part of the SP respec means.
-1 Because I think some respec is needed if not just to get rid of useless starter skills. Not to mention it won't hurt anything at all and this entire thread is one huge overreaction to nothing at all.
I can see why the OP posted this though.
CCP will always change things, and it would be pretty unfair to allow a respec for carriers when they haven't done this for say, SB's or other ships that they have nerfed over the years.
It's not game breaking, granted, but it does seem pretty unfair. |

Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
65
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:46:00 -
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Smiling Menace wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Depends on what the "limited" part of the SP respec means.
-1 Because I think some respec is needed if not just to get rid of useless starter skills. Not to mention it won't hurt anything at all and this entire thread is one huge overreaction to nothing at all. I can see why the OP posted this though. CCP will always change things, and it would be pretty unfair to allow a respec for carriers when they haven't done this for say, SB's or other ships that they have nerfed over the years. It's not game breaking, granted, but it does seem pretty unfair.
Exactly, and tomorrow they will implement nerf for X, and day after for Y, and what? FOTM without consequence? |

Tidurious
The Dirty Rejects Scelus Sceleris.
24
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:57:00 -
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Respec is for pussies and for games such as WOW. The only respec that I find even remotely acceptable is if skills are completely removed from the game; otherwise, HELL NO.
[Edit: Surprised that Pussies didn't censor...] |

Ras Blumin
A Cross The Universe
6
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:32:00 -
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Do we know more than this:?
"The CSM reiterated its desire for CCP to implement a partial skill respec, especially in the aftermath of major changes to ship classes such as the removal of drones from supercarriers."
That could mean lots of things. If it's just SC and drone skills that get respec-able, then I agree that CCP should not give a get-out-of-jail-free-card to such a small number of players, especially in light of other people skilling up for stuff that later got changed.
If it means that we can respec say 1-10m skillpoints yearly, well, that's something I think is pretty cool. I have some more or less wasted skillpoints I wouldn't mind putting elsewhere.
edit. OP why didn't you give us that quote I have posted? Bad OP. BAD. Go to your box. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
244
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:58:00 -
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Ras Blumin wrote:Do we know more than this:?
"The CSM reiterated its desire for CCP to implement a partial skill respec, especially in the aftermath of major changes to ship classes such as the removal of drones from supercarriers."
That could mean lots of things. If it's just SC and drone skills that get respec-able, then I agree that CCP should not give a get-out-of-jail-free-card to such a small number of players, especially in light of other people skilling up for stuff that later got changed.
If it means that we can respec say 1-10m skillpoints yearly, well, that's something I think is pretty cool. I have some more or less wasted skillpoints I wouldn't mind putting elsewhere.
edit. OP why didn't you give us that quote I have posted? Bad OP. BAD. Go to your box.
My take on the SC losing drones and whining about SP's - Oh you poor little baby....get the #### over yourself.
Drone skills are very useful across many sub-captial classes of ships.
Just because you lost the ability to use them on a specific ship class doesn't mean you hqave to go ape-#### crazy like some damned baby.
The answer is and should remain NO.
The only times I'll accept an SP is for "reimbursement" due to skill deletion or server crash that disupts play time for like say a week or something.
Period.
PS: if what Im seeing is the truth...sounds like this proposal is a drama panic attack based on what CSM is pushing...not what CCP is saying. That is a major difference I would think. |

Ras Blumin
A Cross The Universe
6
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Posted - 2012.01.19 00:01:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote: This will actually hit new players very hard - imagine that we have 100m SP bitter-vet and 5m SP no-longer-noob fresh player. Imagine now that CCP introduced new type of ships - something in range of new player that don't require tons of skills to fly.
What new payer can do? well, he have no skills to abandon just like that, so he have to train for it. What about bitter-vet? Well, he just drop his Titan 5 and gets all needed skill to lvl 5 in minutes.
The 100m SP bitter-vet will most likely already have the prerequisites at 5, maybe 4, so if he wants to fly it shortly after release, he will no matter what. If he respecs, he might get a 1-month headstart for flying a ship that is going to be in the game for years...
Max Kolonko wrote: This in turn will cause even larger gap between veterans and new players. Right now when something new is introduced (PI for example) all payers are on equal footing - everyone have to train to use new stuff. OFC veterans have more isk = can use +5, possible have remaps for such occasion stored, so they can get there slightly faster - but they still have to train to it.
..and besides, CCP could just limit new stuff so that it cannot be respecced into.
How do you feel about remaps?
also there is no minmatar hac skill |

Rhichi Ramjag
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:37:00 -
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No respec, awful f'in idea. Leave that stuff to WoW. |

Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
70
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:20:00 -
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Ras Blumin wrote:Do we know more than this:?
"The CSM reiterated its desire for CCP to implement a partial skill respec, especially in the aftermath of major changes to ship classes such as the removal of drones from supercarriers."
That could mean lots of things. If it's just SC and drone skills that get respec-able, then I agree that CCP should not give a get-out-of-jail-free-card to such a small number of players, especially in light of other people skilling up for stuff that later got changed.
If it means that we can respec say 1-10m skillpoints yearly, well, that's something I think is pretty cool. I have some more or less wasted skillpoints I wouldn't mind putting elsewhere.
edit. OP why didn't you give us that quote I have posted? Bad OP. BAD. Go to your box.
OP hides in dark corner and cries :) |

Thryson
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:44:00 -
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A wise man once said,
WoW holds your hand from level 1 to 80 and even if your not smart enough to do anything once there they still give you a cookie, EVE not only takes your cookie but laughs at you for bringing one.
there is NO end game to EVE and there should be no REMAP. |

Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
71
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:50:00 -
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Ras Blumin wrote:Max Kolonko wrote: This will actually hit new players very hard - imagine that we have 100m SP bitter-vet and 5m SP no-longer-noob fresh player. Imagine now that CCP introduced new type of ships - something in range of new player that don't require tons of skills to fly.
What new payer can do? well, he have no skills to abandon just like that, so he have to train for it. What about bitter-vet? Well, he just drop his Titan 5 and gets all needed skill to lvl 5 in minutes.
The 100m SP bitter-vet will most likely already have the prerequisites at 5, maybe 4, so if he wants to fly it shortly after release, he will no matter what. If he respecs, he might get a 1-month headstart for flying a ship that is going to be in the game for years...
True, but did You remember when they introduced: - PI - Gas Mining - Noctis
Those are just an example of new stuff that are available to new player almost from the beggining.
I will not argue that many hi-level new stuff will always have vets in better position to use them - true
Ras Blumin wrote:Max Kolonko wrote: This in turn will cause even larger gap between veterans and new players. Right now when something new is introduced (PI for example) all payers are on equal footing - everyone have to train to use new stuff. OFC veterans have more isk = can use +5, possible have remaps for such occasion stored, so they can get there slightly faster - but they still have to train to it.
..and besides, CCP could just limit new stuff so that it cannot be respecced into. How do you feel about remaps? also there is no minmatar hac skill
I use remaps, because they are there. I have mixed filling about using them. I agree that the moment they've removed ability to choose skills as You make new char it was inevitable.
as for HAC skills - touche :) |

Kusanagi Kasuga
Ferocious Felines
7
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:55:00 -
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+1 No respecs unless skills are being completely removed from game. Especially not because FOTM changed, ffs. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
775
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:31:00 -
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If it were there, I'd use it and be glad to get all those industrial skills off my sheet. I'd already be in a Proteus if I could respec a few skills. If it never comes about, I'm fine with that too.
The key word here is LIMITED. A limited respec to allow people to respec 1-2 million SP to correct noob mistakes or occupation changes wouldn't be a bad thing. Being able to respec from a miner to a carrier pilot in a day...that would be game-breaking.
edit: I wasn't around before there were attribute remaps, but I've got to say it's stupid to NOT have those. A new player shouldn't be punished for choosing an attribute set on Day 1 that turns out to not fit at all with the play style they developed over six months of play. My view on skill respecs is the same: I trained a lot of industrial and science skills before I realized those weren't what I wanted to do long-term. The opportunity to recover wasted SP would be welcome. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
952
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:37:00 -
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My point being that I am not going to freak out about the "possible" consequences of something we know nothing about yet. They said they had an idea for a limited SP respec. That's it...other than that we know NOTHING! No need to freak out about it. We don't even know what they have in mind for the word "limited".
What if they implement it in such a way that in order to refund the SP you have to "unlearn" it by spending the same amount of time unlearning as you did learning it? Maybe even set it so that during that time you would not be able to learn other skills while unlearning another.
How could you argue to that? Spend the time to refund SP and use that SP to put it into something you could have spend the time learning if you hadn't been unlearning?
If you say that wouldn't work for any reason...you are an idiot. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Ras Blumin
A Cross The Universe
6
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:55:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:True, but did You remember when they introduced: - PI - Gas Mining - Noctis
Those are just an example of new stuff that are available to new player almost from the beggining. I now agree that respec'ing into New game-changers is bad. So, my updated position is that New Stuff should be off-limits for 2-3 months (or maybe based upon how long it would take to train normally). Iterations (such as giving infinipoints to supercarriers) could be included in this limit.
There should also be a limit to how many SP (maybe 5m per year, 500k per month or similar) that can be respec'ed, as I wrote earlier (just to get my full position down).
Max Kolonko wrote:I use remaps, because they are there. I have mixed filling about using them. I can respec that (h++h++). |

Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
77
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:56:00 -
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Ras Blumin wrote:Max Kolonko wrote:I use remaps, because they are there. I have mixed filling about using them. I can respec that (h++h++).
I see what You did there :) |
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