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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:14:00 -
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Hauling is a bonafide profession and an essential part of EVE. If you as the client want to petition the populace of EVE by way of public contracts to haul your goods then you must pay a fixed % of your required collateral as reward.
I suggest that all PUBLIC courier contracts have an automatic 7.5% fixed reward rate. If you want to add more to your contract...fine, but you can not go below 7.5%
Private contracts can continue to be whatever they want.
This will encourage more Hauling Corps to be created as well. G’ąG’ąG’ąCargo Pilots Unite!!!G’ąG’ąG’ą https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=668132&#post668132 |
ShipToaster
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:58:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Hauling is a bonafide profession and an essential part of EVE. If you as the client want to petition the populace of EVE by way of public contracts to haul your goods then you must pay a fixed % of your required collateral as reward.
I suggest that all PUBLIC courier contracts have an automatic 7.5% fixed reward rate. If you want to add more to your contract...fine, but you can not go below 7.5%
Private contracts can continue to be whatever they want.
This will encourage more Hauling Corps to be created as well.
Stupid idea.
Needs moved to F&I where it can die the death it deserves.
The only contact I want to have with eve university is if I can have them all ****** to death by space robo donkeys.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:46:00 -
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+1 |
Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:28:00 -
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ShipToaster wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:Hauling is a bonafide profession and an essential part of EVE. If you as the client want to petition the populace of EVE by way of public contracts to haul your goods then you must pay a fixed % of your required collateral as reward.
I suggest that all PUBLIC courier contracts have an automatic 7.5% fixed reward rate. If you want to add more to your contract...fine, but you can not go below 7.5%
Private contracts can continue to be whatever they want.
This will encourage more Hauling Corps to be created as well. Stupid idea. Needs moved to F&I where it can die the death it deserves.
It IS in F&I, numb-nuts. G’ąG’ąG’ąCargo Pilots Unite!!!G’ąG’ąG’ą https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=668132&#post668132 |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:47:00 -
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+1 |
corvus acanum
Dead Space Alpha Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:23:00 -
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I don't haul but I agree with you on this. If someone is going to ask a billion or more isk in collateral to move something and then only offer ten million isk that is stupid. In the real world that would never happen. That kind of mentality is why courier contracts hardly seem to work at all they are just not worth the money. I would like to see something like this happen as well. |
Ayieka
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:07:00 -
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I really would like to see my crane put to better use. +1 |
Nestara Aldent
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:14:00 -
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If someone dont wanna pay the price you want, dont haul it! I agree hauling isnt worthwhile profession because of ppl who put miserable rewards in the contracts, but I dont think forcing a particular fixed price is the correct solution.
Corps such as Red Frog dont need fixed prices to work. |
Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:25:00 -
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Nestara Aldent wrote:If someone dont wanna pay the price you want, dont haul it! I agree hauling isnt worthwhile profession because of ppl who put miserable rewards in the contracts, but I dont think forcing a particular fixed price is the correct solution.
Corps such as Red Frog dont need fixed prices to work.
You said it yourself, hauling in its present state is not a worthwhile profession. My suggestion will make it one without freelance cargo pilots having to settle for crumbs for their work at ridiculous collateral rates.
It will also cut down on scams aimed at collecting colateral with no intentions (on the part of the contract maker) of having a succesful delivery. G’ąG’ąG’ąCargo Pilots Unite!!!G’ąG’ąG’ą https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=668132&#post668132 |
Monty Kvaran
Allied Caprican Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:23:00 -
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Supply, meet demand....
The correct price for a courier contract is the minimum price necessary to get a courier to promptly service your contract. Good contracts are snatched up, bad contracts remain, resulting in the appearance that no one is paying a reasonable rate on the contracts. Eve is a sandbox, don't try to have CCP exempt your preferred job from the sandbox. |
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:27:00 -
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Monty Kvaran wrote:Supply, meet demand....
The correct price for a courier contract is the minimum price necessary to get a courier to promptly service your contract. Good contracts are snatched up, bad contracts remain, resulting in the appearance that no one is paying a reasonable rate on the contracts. Eve is a sandbox, don't try to have CCP exempt your preferred job from the sandbox.
Not so. I am always scanning public shipping contracts and for the most part they are sh-t. On rare occasion you will find a gem that pays well. I am asking CCP for balance. The same way they added tax to NPC corps. The balance is a percentage of the required collateral. Sounds fair to me. G’ąG’ąG’ąCargo Pilots Unite!!!G’ąG’ąG’ą https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=668132&#post668132 |
Monty Kvaran
Allied Caprican Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:36:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Monty Kvaran wrote:Supply, meet demand....
The correct price for a courier contract is the minimum price necessary to get a courier to promptly service your contract. Good contracts are snatched up, bad contracts remain, resulting in the appearance that no one is paying a reasonable rate on the contracts. Eve is a sandbox, don't try to have CCP exempt your preferred job from the sandbox. Not so. I am always scanning public shipping contracts and for the most part they are sh-t. On rare occasion you will find a gem that pays well. I am asking CCP for balance. The same way they added tax to NPC corps. The balance is a percentage of the required collateral. Sounds fair to me.
As a small time courier pilot, I find the problem with contracts is the horrible isk/jump. As a courier pilot, you can greatly influence the risk of loosing the collateral, if there is minimal risk, then the size of the collateral is really immaterial. I'll take your low M^3 cargo to/from lowsec for 1-3% of collateral if the price/jump is worth my time. |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:40:00 -
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Monty Kvaran wrote:Supply, meet demand....
The correct price for a courier contract is the minimum price necessary to get a courier to promptly service your contract. Good contracts are snatched up, bad contracts remain, resulting in the appearance that no one is paying a reasonable rate on the contracts. Eve is a sandbox, don't try to have CCP exempt your preferred job from the sandbox.
Competition for haul contracts = PvP without (traditional) weapons.
Having a jumpclone and a freighter in each trade hub is possibly your best weapon in this fight. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.01.18 20:03:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Not so. I am always scanning public shipping contracts and for the most part they are sh-t. On rare occasion you will find a gem that pays well. I am asking CCP for balance. The same way they added tax to NPC corps. The balance is a percentage of the required collateral. Sounds fair to me.
No, the collateral is the insurance the originator of the contract has that you won't steal his stuff. That is immaterial to the money you should be paid to haul it. That actually comes from the number of jumps, the route you have to take, etc.
As a side thought, PUSH Industries. My Trader has cause to use them from time to time and they charge per jump, depending on cargo volume, low-sec, etc.
Their service is impeccable. The contract was accepted within 5 minutes. I received an EVEMail when it was first handled with an estimated delivery time. And another EVEMail when they delivered it, about 3 minutes ahead of schedule and all done within about half an hour of me creating the contract.
Against that type of service, a lone hauler can do very, very little to compete. I'm considering using PUSH instead of Ai to haul stuff now.
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.18 20:19:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:
No, the collateral is the insurance the originator of the contract has that you won't steal his stuff. That is immaterial to the money you should be paid to haul it. That actually comes from the number of jumps, the route you have to take, etc.
True, however the same security can be obtained by having the cargo you want shipped in a secure container. I've never tried it, but I believe it's doable, and if not then having unbreakable crates used for hauling should become a standard in EVE hauling. That would eliminate the possibility of theft.
On the flip side of the coin, there are those that use shipping contracts to scam. One of my earliest expereinces was of accepting a contract at 200mil collateral with a 100mil payoff to be delivered into null. I made it to the destination but found the station would not allow me to dock. That was before the shipping contracts feature was revamped to prevent this from happening.
You would think I would have the contents of the cargo to cover my loss....NO!! The cargo turned out to be a small empty container.
Shipping scams still exist in various forms. Some high collateral contracts are designed with the intent that the cargo never make it to its destination...especially in low/null.
Since there is always the possibility that a shipping contract will be delivered, having a fixed reward rate will make the scams a little less profitable for the scammer and hopefully reduce them in the public market.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:12:00 -
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This won't work as you intend it to. More people will put more of the hauling loads on their alts and/or friend's alts and/or dedicated hauling corps so they can avoid paying the "fixed" tax... pretty much the same way people make "shell corps" to avoid the NPC tax. Savvy people (i.e. the people with the ISK) will ALWAYS find ways around this to avoid paying the tax at all costs. Newbies (i.e. people with limited ISK) will have a harder time. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Lucjan
R-E-D
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:33:00 -
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I don't think it needs to be a fixed rate. I just this you should be able to ignore the garbage ones with search variables.
Also let us ignore the non accessible station ones. You losers don't want to open you port to us, haul your own crap. |
Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:48:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:This won't work as you intend it to. More people will put more of the hauling loads on their alts and/or friend's alts and/or dedicated hauling corps so they can avoid paying the "fixed" tax... pretty much the same way people make "shell corps" to avoid the NPC tax. Savvy people (i.e. the people with the ISK) will ALWAYS find ways around this to avoid paying the tax at all costs. Newbies (i.e. people with limited ISK) will have a harder time.
I disagree becuase people are iinherently lazy and the deeper their pockets, the more likely they are to spend for a service. If they could do all this hauling with alts, they would already. and newbs do their own hauling anyway.
This does give hauling corps more teeth though, and that is a good thing becuase it actually makes "hauling" an eve profession instead of a "hobby" of sorts they way it is treated now.
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ISD Eshtir
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:41:00 -
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Guys, please only post if you have something constructive to say at least. I am sure it would be nice for the OP to know why you + 1 his idea. ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ShipToaster
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:26:00 -
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Ai Shun sums up what the point against you is.
Collateral is only to stop you stealing my stuff or pretending you lost it. The distance it needs to be moved is the determining factor for the payment. The only contact I want to have with eve university is if I can have them all ****** to death by space robo donkeys.
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:25:00 -
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ShipToaster wrote:Ai Shun sums up what the point against you is.
Collateral is only to stop you stealing my stuff or pretending you lost it. The distance it needs to be moved is the determining factor for the payment.
Lets break this down:
Collateral is to cover the loss/theft of the shipment.
Reward is payment for the shipment.
You are saying that reward is based on the number of jumps/distance the cargo pilot has to cover. OK, but consider this...
IRL, wouldnt you pay more to have a ton of gold moved one mile/km vs a ton of cotton balls moved the same distance? Yes you would. Why? Because of the value of the cargo. RL insurance comes into play. Weight of cargo also comes into play...but we dont have these options in EVE becuase EVE is not RL.
So the only option is to reward based on collateral. In other words if you feel your cargo is worth 1 billion isk, then as a cargo pilot I expect payment proportional to the value of the item you are entrusting me with regardless of haul distance.
As a customer you are concerned with the shipment being done. As a cargo pilot, I am concerned with the distance. Customers should not be concerned with distance and if you are, then perhaps you should use the cheapest method avaialble...ship it yourself.
Based on the hauling/distance model you presented let me ask, are you willing to pay per jump if all you are shipping is a skillbook worth just 1mill isk over 30 jumps? No you wouldnt. To save money you would then claim the job is based on cargo value and not haul distance.
It's still the same distance to the cargo pilot regardless of cargo even though you may feel the job should be much less based on the value of your cargo in that scenario. It is still the same amount of work even if your cargo is 100mill isk in value over 30 jumps.
You cant have it both ways by saying reward is based on jump distance for short hauls of expensive cargo, then turn around and say it's based on cargo value when it is a long haul with cheap cargo. These are the two beliefs when it comes to cargo contracts.
The pilot loses out in both scenarios.
A fixed percentage based on collateral pays the cargo pilot for the work and it is FAIR. G’ąG’ąG’ąCargo Pilots Unite!!!G’ąG’ąG’ą https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=668132&#post668132 |
ShipToaster
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Posted - 2012.01.19 12:21:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:A fixed percentage based on collateral pays the cargo pilot for the work and it is FAIR.
You see it as fair but I see it as no one using public hauler services. It is that simple. I would switch to private contracts with Red Frog as they are exempt from your massive jump in fees.
The next step would probably be to advertise for hauling corps on the forums and probably pay less than I do now. The only contact I want to have with eve university is if I can have them all ****** to death by space robo donkeys.
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Manfred Macx
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.01.19 12:26:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:ShipToaster wrote:Ai Shun sums up what the point against you is.
Collateral is only to stop you stealing my stuff or pretending you lost it. The distance it needs to be moved is the determining factor for the payment. Lets break this down: Collateral is to cover the loss/theft of the shipment. Reward is payment for the shipment. You are saying that reward is based on the number of jumps/distance the cargo pilot has to cover. OK, but consider this... IRL, wouldnt you pay more to have a ton of gold moved one mile/km vs a ton of cotton balls moved the same distance? Yes you would. Why? Because of the value of the cargo. RL insurance comes into play. Weight of cargo also comes into play...but we dont have these options in EVE becuase EVE is not RL.
This comparison does not work. You are not taking into account that, in EVE, the courier has to pay this huge amount of collateral, which probably is close or the same as the value of the shipment. Then I, the client, does not need any insurance. I don't care how much risk you take when hauling my stuff, since I'm already covered for theft, pirates or what have you.
In EVE it makes sense to reward the hauler based on the time it takes to haul and the size of the shipment. |
Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:55:00 -
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Manfred Macx wrote: This comparison does not work. You are not taking into account that, in EVE, the courier has to pay this huge amount of collateral, which probably is close or the same as the value of the shipment. Then I, the client, does not need any insurance. I don't care how much risk you take when hauling my stuff, since I'm already covered for theft, pirates or what have you.
In EVE it makes sense to reward the hauler based on the time it takes to haul and the size of the shipment.
Keep in mind that the shipper/shipping company, IRL would have his own insurance to cover any unforseen losses. We dont have that in EVE. Only the client is covered by way of collateral. This idea is to balance things out for the cargo pilot as well, not just the client. As it stands now, the shipper is at a disadvantage while the client is covered 100%. The present state of hauling contratcs also leaves the shipper open for scams.
ShipToaster wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:A fixed percentage based on collateral pays the cargo pilot for the work and it is FAIR. You see it as fair but I see it as no one using public hauler services. It is that simple. I would switch to private contracts with Red Frog as they are exempt from your massive jump in fees. The next step would probably be to advertise for hauling corps on the forums and probably pay less than I do now.
And how is that a bad thing? I would love to see competition and more hauling corps come into existence fighting for your hauling needs. More hauling corps will be formed and as I said before, people wil still use public hauling services.
I only know of Red Frog and PUSH. In all of EVE there should be dozens of hauling corps fighting for your business. My idea will make it so. Moreso, it may actually carve out hauling territories in New Eden and even prompt territory wars by hauling corps. Fun times dude, and just becuase hauling has now become competetive and profitable.
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Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:53:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Shipping scams still exist in various forms. Some high collateral contracts are designed with the intent that the cargo never make it to its destination...especially in low/null.
Since there is always the possibility that a shipping contract will be delivered, having a fixed reward rate will make the scams a little less profitable for the scammer and hopefully reduce them in the public market.
And they should continue to exist. In EVE, we live and learn or we die. You have learned from your experience, right? And you are a better pilot for it.
That is not an endorsement for scamming, but I want to keep one MMO open where you actually need to learn something other than point and click; where there are real challenges and where I can grow as a player. Like the old C-64 platformers or the games of that generation where failure was punished, harshly.
New players will learn; or they will lose a lot of ISK. But these fixed rate contracts will simply kill of another sector of the game while dumbing the game down.
Atticus Fynch wrote:This does give hauling corps more teeth though, and that is a good thing becuase it actually makes "hauling" an eve profession instead of a "hobby" of sorts they way it is treated now.
Are you in a hauling corp at the moment? Have you worked with one?
It is not a hobby. The level of professionalism exhibit by these corporations is incredible. I'll give you a few examples from a recent transaction I had with PUSH Industries. (Through my Trader)
This was the first, within 5 minutes of creating the Contract.
Quote:Push Industries has started picking up your stuff and created an estimate time for delivery:
>> Perimeter >> Niyabainen (67247 m-¦) (Courier)
ETA: 06:20
You will be notified upon delivery of your stuff with a delivery Evemail. You may also join ingame channel PUSHX for updated route information.
Don't move it, PUSH it.
Six minutes later the contract was completed, 1 minute (Checking mail timestamps now) before the ETA.
Quote:Thanks for choosing Push Industries for moving your stuff. If you need anything in the future, feel free to call upon us. Send us an evemail through the contacts in our corporation info, or send us a message in our ingame channel PUSHX. Also please be sure to post your feedback on how we did in our thread which can be found here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=455019And remember, don't move it, PUSH it.
That was day before yesterday. Since then I've happily paid them their per gate fee, setting a collateral at twice the value of the goods. They show true professionalism and are a real hauling corporation; not just a "hobby" corporation.
So yeah, I think it is already a very, very viable profession. Once my low-sec Transport skills are up to scratch and I've practiced a bit I'm planning on applying to them to haul for them. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
625
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:34:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote: A fixed percentage based on collateral pays the cargo pilot for the work and it is FAIR.
Yeah, no. You're completely confused about how things work in the real world (and EVE).
The reason you pay more in the real world to ship a container of gold vs cotton balls would be:
a) Fuel costs due to the larger mass involved, possibly requiring special equipment if you exceed the standard maximum weights for shipping containers. (Or you split your load up across multiple containers / trailers.) EVE has no concept of shipping mass, nor fuel costs for normal jump gates. Even jump freighters only care about distance traveled, not mass hauled.
b) Insurance. If you want to ship 1B dollars of gold across the country, and have it insured against theft / loss, then you're going to pay some percentage of the value in shipping insurance. Or require that the shipper post a bond equal to the value of the shipment. In EVE, we call this "collateral" which is there to prevent the shipper from running off with your stuff.
Once you get past those 2 variables, the only other factor which determines shipment costs are:
c) Load size. How many trips it will take you to move the load from A to B. In the case of less dense items, this is limited by the volume of the container. For denser items in the real world, you're limited by the carrying capacity of the container / trailer / tractor. We have this concept in EVE and it's called "cargo space".
d) Distance. How long will it take for the driver to get from A to B and will you have to pay for deadhead time on the way back. In the real world, we have distances (per-mile rate) or just pay by the hour (hourly rate). In EVE, this is most easily calculated as # of jumps, because the time spent between gates isn't all that long (most of the time is spent getting the freighter aligned). It's also really hard to figure out exactly how many jumps + lightyears between gates + alignment time - so we just approximate as "# of jumps".
Now, you could *try* to charge your customers a 7.5% premium based on the overall collateral to move something, but most folks are going to tell you go pound sand. It's not worth 75M ISK to move 1B of goods unless I'm in a tearing hurry.
This does not need to be added to the game. The courier contract system is fine "as-is" and the fact that there are at least (2) full-time hauling companies (PUSH and Red Frog Freight) shows that it's working. Not to mention the dozens of smaller haulers who survive on networking with customers and have private clientele. |
Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:38:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:
This does not need to be added to the game. The courier contract system is fine "as-is" and the fact that there are at least (2) full-time hauling companies (PUSH and Red Frog Freight) shows that it's working. Not to mention the dozens of smaller haulers who survive on networking with customers and have private clientele.
As I've said before, private contratcs can continue to be whatever they want. The fixed percentage is for public contracts. The fact that there are only two main hauling corps in EVE shows it's not working. G’ąG’ąG’ąCargo Pilots Unite!!!G’ąG’ąG’ą https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=668132&#post668132 |
ShipToaster
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Posted - 2012.01.20 06:27:00 -
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I dont get what your problem here is.
I state that we will see an elimination of public contracts using your massive jump in costs idea but you think this is ok because we will have private contracts that will do precisely what public contracts do now, with the one problem that the majority of small and independent haulers will have nothing to haul as no one will use public contracts any more.
Final word from me is current system is one of the few things in EVE that is working absolutely fine and has no need to change. The only contact I want to have with eve university is if I can have them all ****** to death by space robo donkeys.
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.20 06:36:00 -
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ShipToaster wrote:I dont get what your problem here is.
No problem. I just disagree with your conclusion on the matter for reasons already stated. G’ąG’ąG’ąCargo Pilots Unite!!!G’ąG’ąG’ą https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=668132&#post668132 |
Bearilian
Man Eating Bears
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:01:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:
b) Insurance. If you want to ship 1B dollars of gold across the country, and have it insured against theft / loss, then you're going to pay some percentage of the value in shipping insurance. Or require that the shipper post a bond equal to the value of the shipment. In EVE, we call this "collateral" which is there to prevent the shipper from running off with your stuff.
i gota comment. I have a real hard time following the argument against this idea. would someone really post a bond of over 1 Billion in currency, without getting paid a considerable amount in exchange??? the percentage of people who can earn over 1b in eve outways that potential in RL.. there is only what, 1% or less of the human population that has that kind of money?
I do see how having a fixed rate may not work in some situations. possibly have the percentage be affected by certian attributes of the contract. example: distances, does the shortest distance pass through low or null sec.
When it comes down to it, there is not really arguable reasons against such a change. i understand the need to keep things a sandbox. but it feels like only the scammers are the ones who truly want this left alone. yeah, you can take advantage of noobs, and try to move your stuff cheaply, but thats too easy.... every argument i ever had about this game, it seemed, was about making the game more dynamic and challenging to play. theres gota be hundreds of people who posts scam contracts with the off chance someone may "accidentally" accept it. its just weak in my opinion is all.
lastly, im going to have to agree with the OP one more time. i do not think such a change would "eliminate" currier contracts. and if people chose to use private contracts and find "clientel" all the better. |
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