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Miranda Ka
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
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Posted - 2012.02.29 11:47:00 -
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Red Frog Rufen wrote:Ai Shun wrote:
How does Red Frog divvy up the contracts allocated to them? First in first served?
there's a pool of contract, you choose which contract you want to do, deliver it, and get the reward. it's pretty straight forward, but you need a freighter with 860k cargo to work for us. No industrial allowed for RF Contracts. Push works differently, you need to ATK the oldest contract (afaik), and there is micro-push with smaller load/collateral that you can do in an indy. you still get 100% of the reward with them, too. check out channel "profit" to see our current recruitment status!
You're done your homework well :) Pretty much everything is correct there. Yes, we are pushing freight mostly ATK, since we focus on really fast deliveries. Oldest contracts are generally priorized, but of course we're not asking people to run from Rens to Jita to take the oldest contract when the second oldest is from Hek to Rens :)
For more details, see our recruitment post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52000
As for the original discussion: A fixed percentage of the collateral is just not going to work. I think enough examples were given already (laughably low reward for long routes with low collateral; ridiculously high reward for short routes with high collateral). And 7.5%? Now you're just trollin :) Get an idea of the freight business in EVE and about the reward-per-hour in it, before posting suggestions like this. With 7.5% minimum reward, all haulers would be trillionaires in no time...
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Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
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Posted - 2012.03.02 02:22:00 -
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you have to know your competition! :)
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Tidurious
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.02 05:39:00 -
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This sounds like a lot of whining from someone who should probably join a hauler corp. I've used PUSH Industries several times - they've done great work, and they're quick, as mentioned earlier. I'm willing to pay for that service.
Just because you're not happy with what you've been making, that doesn't entitle you to force others to pay more. If folks aren't willing to pay enough, no one will move their stuff. It's as simple as that. There is NO legitimate reason to force players to pay a certain amount to move their stuff.
Stop whining or stop playing. |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.03.02 05:41:00 -
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Tidurious wrote:This sounds like a lot of whining from someone who should probably join a hauler corp. I've used PUSH Industries several times - they've done great work, and they're quick, as mentioned earlier. I'm willing to pay for that service.
Agreed. I've been using them exclusively for a while now. If only there was a way to get a "Frequent Flyer" discount; because often it is a small cargo that I need moved for trade purposes.
Tidurious wrote:Stop whining or stop playing.
He has stopped playing and biomassed the character. |
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
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Posted - 2012.03.02 05:59:00 -
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corvus acanum wrote:I don't haul but I agree with you on this. If someone is going to ask a billion or more isk in collateral to move something and then only offer ten million isk that is stupid. In the real world that would never happen. That kind of mentality is why courier contracts hardly seem to work at all they are just not worth the money. I would like to see something like this happen as well. If their contract is terrible then don't accept it. Nobody is forcing you to take bad contracts, so don't force them to pay you more than they are willing to.
If nobody accepts their contracts then they'll have to offer more money to get their stuff moved. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.03.02 06:19:00 -
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The fair reward for a contract is the lowest price that anyone will accept for hauling your cargo. Thankfully there are enough people looking to fill deadheads that you can put ridiculously low rewards in for your contracts and still have them hauled.
Courier contracts are most beneficial to people who are already hauling stuff anyway. I've found that sending my junk from A to B in many small packages ends up with a faster delivery time than sending it all as one big package. Those freighter pilots are looking to maximise the return on their investment. If they've got spare space, they'll look for a low-value courier contract (remembering that carrying more than 1B ISK worth of stuff in a freighter is begging to be suicide ganked in Uedama)
The current low rewards for courier contracts simply reflect the ease with which most courier contracts can be fulfilled, and the nature of the people who generally accept courier contracts.
Attempting to regulate the courier contract market will just strangle it. This is not about what is "fair" or "just". This is about fools trying to use public courier contracts as an income stream, when they are competing with people who are simply trying to defray the cost of deadhead runs. You are trying to make a living, they are trying to make some pin money. It is not the market that needs to be corrected, it is your understanding of the market and your expectations of reward from participating in this market.
Remember, any time the world doesn't meet your expectations, it is not the world that must change.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.03.05 08:54:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:Not supported. If you don't like the pay available, start or join a hauling corp like Red Frog. There is no need to institute this solution when all you have to do is ignore low paying contracts. The underlying logic of your proposition is essentially that people should be forced to pay a certain amount because the collateral is so large. The collateral issue is only one of liquidity. You aren't losing the money; you're temporarily losing access to it. The cost of hauling is about the time; it's not about the amount of the collateral. If there is a contract for 50 jumps (longest possible station to station pure hisec route) for an item with collateral of 100k, 7500 is a laughable reward. And if a contract is for Jita 4-4 to Jita 4-5 with a collateral of 2 billion, a reward of 150 million is absurdly expensive. If what you want is better pay for contracts overall, do what I and many others have, don't EVER take crap contracts. So, haulers of eve unite... and stop taking crappy contracts.
^^This^^
Former trucker here, so I can confirm that this time, what works IRL will work in EVE:
Tell people who give "cheap freight" as we call it, that they can go **** themselves.
The herd (IE the useful idiots whom, with pitiful eagerness, take cheap freight for peanuts and then whinge on the CB all day about how they're barely keeping their trucks running) will then be culled in due course.
The smart ones will survive and prosper. The dumb ones...will die dumb, and broke.
In irae, veritas. |
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