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Terh Rumnatarn Epidemic Inc. 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 13:49:00 - [1] - Quote Wikipedia 18 Jan 2012 - SOPA - this link is useless on any other day. Please CCP iterate your position concerning SOPA and PIPA. Silence is an answer too. (you haven`t joined the 18 Jan 2012 web movement) You can`t remain neutral regarding this. Your community needs a statement with your position.
Cannibal Kane Count With Teddy Mercenaries 192	Posted - 2012.01.18 13:53:00 - [2] - Quote Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO.... "Demoralize the Enemy from within by Surprise, Terror, Sabotage, Assassination. This method of Guarilla Warfare is the only Method of Warfare for me"
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings 91	Posted - 2012.01.18 13:59:00 - [3] - Quote Quote: You can`t remain neutral regarding this. CCP is an Icelandic company, so yes, yes they can.
Dust Fourtwenty Dust 515 4	Posted - 2012.01.18 14:02:00 - [4] - Quote but US ISPs could be forced to DNS block EVE theoretically and even CCP in all their wisdom wouldn't want that.
Ogogov Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore 4	Posted - 2012.01.18 14:03:00 - [5] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO.... This will affect everyone utilizing the internet by introducing draconian legal tools for interfering with DNS resolution. If that wasn't worrying enough, try reading up on the international version called ACTA. For more information check out the front page of reddit, or Google's website where the logo is currently blacked out in opposition to these two terrible pieces of legislation. These two bills are just the opening shots in an all-out war of big content and existing rightsholders against the internet, and as such even if you aren't a US citizen you should be extremely frightened and pissed off.
Liam Mirren 184	Posted - 2012.01.18 14:03:00 - [6] - Quote Terh Rumnatarn wrote: Wikipedia 18 Jan 2012 - SOPA - this link is useless on any other day. Please CCP iterate your position concerning SOPA and PIPA. Silence is an answer too. (you haven`t joined the 18 Jan 2012 web movement) You can`t remain neutral regarding this. Your community needs a statement with your position. Self entitlement, right there. Also, they don't have to make a statement at all as it doesn't pertain them. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Terh Rumnatarn Epidemic Inc. 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 14:06:00 - [7] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO.... Check your country legislative proposals. Almost all EU countries have similar initiatives. Also, CCP is a international company with servers in US also. (and if I`m not mistaking they have an Atlanta office) And the final point, if US goes with SOPA and PIPA, the rest of the civilized world will implement this type of acts into their legislation.
Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 359	Posted - 2012.01.18 14:09:00 - [8] - Quote As CCP uses a .com address, anything CCP does can fall under US jurisdiction. I don't believe Iceland has extradition treaties with the US, but if an Icelandic employee happened to be in the UK, and the US deemed Iceland to be in breach of that or many other badly written pieces of legislation.... Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 137	Posted - 2012.01.18 14:15:00 - [9] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO.... Yes it does. Many other countries are on the brink of introducing similarly ******** laws but so far their lobbies have not gained enough momentum to succeed at such plan. With the influential USA setting up such a massive precedent, you may expect a chain effect in a sizable part of the western countries. Eastern countries tend to have censorship and "freedom management" already anyway.
Valei Khurelem 176	Posted - 2012.01.18 14:20:00 - [10] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO.... Please go and look at how the MPAA and RIAA are trying to keep their influence over european parliament and courts so they actively go after filesharers before you say such ignorant things.

CCP Guard C C P C C P Alliance 1588	Posted - 2012.01.18 14:22:00 - [11] - Quote Please keep political discussions from the so called "real world" in Out of Pod Experience. Thanks! :) CCP Guard \| EVE Community Developer

VKhaun Vex Viziam Amarr Empire 276	Posted - 2012.01.18 14:28:00 - [12] - Quote Now that it's something important to YOU we're allowed to talk about politics? CCP Spitfire wrote: 3. Discussions about politics and religion not allowed, there are other websites with forums for these topics. Quote: 7. It shouldn't be necessary to do so, but it appears that some players (And CCP mods -VK) feel the need to inflict their viewpoints on race, religion, politics, and other hot topic opinions on other players. These discussions will not be tolerated anywhere on the EVE forums. Players that cannot follow this guideline can lose their posting privileges immediately. This is the sole warning that will be issued regarding this.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids 840	Posted - 2012.01.18 14:57:00 - [13] - Quote You can still access wikipedia by following the advice they give you, disable javascripts and holy crap! Also google blackout is underway (they put a black box over google) you can still use it just fine though :trollface:
VKhaun Vex Viziam Amarr Empire 276	Posted - 2012.01.18 15:34:00 - [14] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: You can still access wikipedia by following the advice they give you, disable javascripts and holy crap! Also google blackout is underway (they put a black box over google) you can still use it just fine though :trollface: Yeah this black out thing is pretty pathetic so far.
Kusanagi Kasuga Ferocious Felines 6	Posted - 2012.01.18 15:37:00 - [15] - Quote Yes, this can and will affect people outside of the US.
Aiwha 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda 98	Posted - 2012.01.18 16:49:00 - [16] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO.... We host a hell of a lot of content that you want access to. SOPA/PIPA would end that. Regards, LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter
Omen Talozan Lunar Asylum S I L E N T. 0	Posted - 2012.01.18 18:15:00 - [17] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIbseM2ol2c
Lithalnas Privateers Privateer Alliance 98	Posted - 2012.01.18 18:37:00 - [18] - Quote If I wanted to be a legal pain, all i would have to do is make some music, copyright it, overlay it on an eve online trailer posted to youtube, call my buddy up at the RIAA and say that CCP is using my music without proper rights, he then goes to his buddies in the government. Then all CCP domains are rerouted, website, forums, and game servers are blocked at the backbone level till this gets sorted which could be a week. The internet should be the wild west forever How to build a PC for EVE thread (by Akita T) http://eve-search.com/thread/1559734-0/page/1
Dust Fourtwenty Dust 515 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 19:05:00 - [19] - Quote you could have played today's emergency reboot as CCP's support for the protest
BLACK-STAR 404	Posted - 2012.01.18 19:26:00 - [20] - Quote Lithalnas wrote: If I wanted to be a legal pain, all i would have to do is make some music, copyright it, overlay it on an eve online trailer posted to youtube, call my buddy up at the RIAA and say that CCP is using my music without proper rights, he then goes to his buddies in the government. Then all CCP domains are rerouted, website, forums, and game servers are blocked at the backbone level till this gets sorted which could be a week. The internet should be the wild west forever I agree, I had a similar thought too that anyone could fake something and put blame on another. The bill is clearly set up to be a power abuse. I can see the Internet being mauled viciously, especially by companies like Sony. Here is the full list of organizations that support SOPA. It is a bit of a concern because this will affect other legislations on ridiculous freedom killing acts. If it is somehow approved, prepare for sacrifices. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img]
Slade Trillgon T.R.I.A.D 191	Posted - 2012.01.18 19:54:00 - [21] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO.... /facepalm We are more connected then you and many others really want to admit. Liam Mirren wrote: Self entitlement, right there. Also, they don't have to make a statement at all as it doesn't pertain them. /facepalm Read above. We are not connected at all, we all live in our dark little corners and have no effect on others what so ever Do not get me wrong, citizens from the US and other countries found in the Americas do the same, but it really is sad in todays day and age. Slade
Amaroq Dricaldari Ministry of War Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2012.01.18 23:21:00 - [22] - Quote Damn it, CCP. This may be a political discussion, but it will effect THE ENTIRE INTERNET! Let me sum up SOPA and PIPA (copies of eachother) in my own words: Any website that has *ANY* amount of date from *ANY* other website will automatically be blocked. Translation: Every website in the world, including this one. So pull it together and do something about it. Do anything about it other than ignore it, please! Not just for the good of your company, but for the good of everyone around the world! GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH! This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
inexistin Rubbish and Garbage Removal Cascade Imminent 13	Posted - 2012.01.18 23:57:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Guard wrote: Please keep political discussions from the so called "real world" in Out of Pod Experience. Thanks! :) Is this "real world" thingy that stuff that keeps interfering with my time playing EVE?
Christopher AET Segmentum Solar NEM3SIS. 54	Posted - 2012.01.19 01:30:00 - [24] - Quote Could it be argued that this discussion is more legal than political. If so than surely we can chat here. In any case I am in UK and I have signed the petition urging the UK government to condemn SOPA. I encourage all members of all countries represented here to do the same.
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 325	Posted - 2012.01.19 02:00:00 - [25] - Quote stupid SOPA acronym , every time I see It I think they actually advertising SOUP (I think in Spanish) ... Stupid SOPA, I HATE SOUP! Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Cephelange du'Krevviq Hephaestus LLC Gryphon League 15	Posted - 2012.01.19 02:23:00 - [26] - Quote Memes like this would die (and it is SOPA related): ****** reacts to SOPA (Downfall footage)
Spineker 95	Posted - 2012.01.19 04:14:00 - [27] - Quote SOPA is dead will never pass the senate nor congress for that matter. Most of the writers of SOPA are pulling back and saying they are not part of it.
Carceret Rinah Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2012.01.19 05:32:00 - [28] - Quote It doesn't make sense for a foreign company to complain or take a stance... what channels do they even have to influence USA domestic policy? Besides, I would think that the more foreign opposition they see to it, all the more strongly American legislators would support SOPA and PIPA just to spite them. I think now that the word is out and the public is more aware of what's at stake, these particular bills will either fail or be much curtailed. In the long run though, we'll likely have this kind of legislative fight every few years until the big media companies inevitably win. They have vast financial resources and the benefit of immortality; most voters have only spurts of indignation and the ability to write misspelled letters to the wrong congressmen.
Renturu Tribal Spirit Tribal Unity Alliance 133	Posted - 2012.01.19 05:42:00 - [29] - Quote Check out the supporters and their donations. Interesting... SOPA POS This Too If EvE WiS is Space Barbie, then I'm built like a Ken Doll: Nothin' but 14 inches of T'aint; Smooth, from front to butt!!!
Obax Bannon Fidelis Technologies 49	Posted - 2012.01.19 12:02:00 - [30] - Quote Christopher AET wrote: Could it be argued that this discussion is more legal than political. If so than surely we can chat here. In any case I am in UK and I have signed the petition urging the UK government to condemn SOPA. I encourage all members of all countries represented here to do the same. Could you link the petition or send me the url via evemail please
Christopher AET Segmentum Solar NEM3SIS. 55	Posted - 2012.01.19 12:22:00 - [31] - Quote https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/26143/signature/new for uk peeps ^^
Louis deGuerre The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities 217	Posted - 2012.01.19 13:40:00 - [32] - Quote When I was young Russia was evil and US was good...Russia is still evil () but US took a wrong turn somewhere and now are eviller-est than North Korea. I wonder where it all went wrong... FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES !
northwesten Trinity Corporate Services Terran United Federation 2	Posted - 2012.01.19 15:36:00 - [33] - Quote here a good video! Defend our freedom to share (or why SOPA is a bad idea)
northwesten Trinity Corporate Services Terran United Federation 2	Posted - 2012.01.19 15:40:00 - [34] - Quote Louis deGuerre wrote: When I was young Russia was evil and US was good...Russia is still evil () but US took a wrong turn somewhere and now are eviller-est than North Korea. I wonder where it all went wrong... Corporations! Corporations that lobbies like mad to have laws etc go their way. I mean Corporations that has free hands to do do what ever to laws and tweak them and have taxs breaks etc what wrong. Corporate is a tool to make money and will do it regardless to you or your family. This is a very good example what they are trying to do. They want us to sit on the couch get fat and just buy. Not able to be creative nor think freely. Corporation wants control and that's about it.
baltec1 467	Posted - 2012.01.19 15:54:00 - [35] - Quote Aiwha wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO.... We host a hell of a lot of content that you want access to. SOPA/PIPA would end that. Or move that hosted stuff elswhere.
Name Tremblay QC Steel Industries 0	Posted - 2012.01.19 17:54:00 - [36] - Quote www.google.com/takeaction You can sign there as well, can't hurt.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 776	Posted - 2012.01.19 18:48:00 - [37] - Quote Terh Rumnatarn wrote: Silence is an answer too. (you haven`t joined the 18 Jan 2012 web movement) You can`t remain neutral regarding this. Silence is not an answer, silence by definition is the lack of an answer. And yes, they can remain neutral. Having not read the text of the proposals myself, I remain neutral on the subject due to my own ignorance. I refuse to be lead by the nose by bloggers, activists, and doomsayers into protesting something I don't fully understand. If the detractors are right, then I oppose the legislation.
Jaigar Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O. 32	Posted - 2012.01.19 20:54:00 - [38] - Quote Apparently the best course of action to guarantee that SOPA/PIPA doesn't pass is to "donate" $100,000 per congressman.
Commander Disarray University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.01.20 00:28:00 - [39] - Quote I read today that SOPA supporters are pulling back and not endorsing it any more. Anyone have more info? Seems like support for this bill is dying out. Result of the blackouts? Would love to know or see its current status and chances of failure or success. Just curious.
Louis deGuerre The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities 218	Posted - 2012.01.20 12:34:00 - [40] - Quote Commander Disarray wrote: I read today that SOPA supporters are pulling back and not endorsing it any more. Anyone have more info? Seems like support for this bill is dying out. Result of the blackouts? Would love to know or see its current status and chances of failure or success. Just curious. It's looking better at the moment Of course, they'll just keep trying and winning minor victories here and there, like with ACTA, untill bit by bit the internet dies. So fight em every inch of the way. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES !
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.01.20 18:23:00 - [41] - Quote This just popped up on msn.
VKhaun Vex Viziam Amarr Empire 276	Posted - 2012.01.20 19:45:00 - [42] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: This just popped up on msn. Postpone. Delay. withheld for 'wider agreement'. This is not over.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.01.20 19:51:00 - [43] - Quote Of course not. Look at how long the 2nd amendment war has been going on. They'll just sit back for a little while, reword the document into something even more obfuscating, maybe put a cookie on top and try to push it back out again. They don't even need to do it in one sweep either, little battle won here, little battle won there. All adds up after a while.
BLACK-STAR 408	Posted - 2012.01.20 21:08:00 - [44] - Quote VKhaun Vex wrote: Micheal Dietrich wrote: This just popped up on msn. Postpone. Delay. withheld for 'wider agreement'. This is not over. I sigh right with you. American congress is still stupid over this bill. What do they know in and out about the Internet? They're all old people with old fart minds. There is no way to stop Internet piracy as this is fact. No internet nuke can totally kill off sharing, P2P networks. In line with such, is notorious corporations that would ravage the internet over any 'misplaced' content. Copyright has no legit place on the Internet, if you want something so sacred keep it none digital, or especially keep it off this world wide web, Internet. It's neutral and ours, let no one take this away from us. Seriously, are all these people this stupid? It's a subject nobody but the Internet that understands. There is no "wider-agreement", there is absolutely NO agreement. Screw this bullshit. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img]
VKhaun Vex Viziam Amarr Empire 276	Posted - 2012.01.21 01:09:00 - [45] - Quote BLACK-STAR wrote: There is no way to stop Internet piracy as this is fact. Flawed statement, IMO. They are winning because we won't draw lines and just call everything 'piracy'. You need to make the line very clear about what is LEGAL and what is ILLEGAL.Regular people won't admit anything they do could possibly be illegal (or should be), even as they pay nothing for tons of copyrighted works while advertisers profit, and no one in the entertainment industry will admit that any of it is legal. Unfortunately, since our side is the one pirating things and we refuse to acknowledge that they're doing something wrong... we lose... The only way to succeed is to let the pirates hang and only fight for our own rights. Good video I was linked on another site. <3 TED. http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html?awesm=on.ted.com_ACxO BLACK-STAR wrote: There is no way to stop Internet piracy as this is fact. No internet nuke can totally kill off sharing, P2P networks. In line with such, is notorious corporations that would ravage the internet over any 'misplaced' content. Copyright has no legit place on the Internet, if you want something so sacred keep it none digital, or especially keep it off this world wide web, Internet. It's neutral and ours, let no one take this away from us. Also flawed. The internet is not some naturally occurring phenomenon. It's a series of cables and lines, satellites and undersea connections. It's maintained by people and costs money. It is not neutral in any way. It is OWNED and you pay for the SERVICE of using. The company who owns it is subject to the laws of the country the lines move across just like anything else, and in the U.S. copyrights are protected by law.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence 80	Posted - 2012.01.21 02:39:00 - [46] - Quote VKhaun Vex wrote: [quote=BLACK-STAR]and in the U.S. copyrights are protected by law. Hopefully copyright law will either be ablished or replaced with something more sane regarding author's rights. Somehow, no matter how you put it, i can't see a valid reason for someone who wasn't born untill decades after the original artist's death has any right whatsoever profiting from his work. "Rights" and "contracts" are a pretty damn poor excuse if you ask me, no matter how you spin it you're profiting off the work of a dead guy with 0 effort on your part other than to tell your lawyers to sue people.
BLACK-STAR 411	Posted - 2012.01.21 03:35:00 - [47] - Quote No side is winning. The Internet is not loosing either. Nobody owns the internet. Also I don't believe I'm incorrect, piracy and peer networks will always exist -- there is always a way. As for copyright content on the Internet, that would always be leaked....ffs it's internet. Say whatever about internet connections or whoever OWNS the IP SERVICE. Whatever is on the Internet is by people, not ISP providers or government. Servers are owned by whoever pays them, we agree? Indeed we do pay for internet service, so what is your point? Paying for access? you're not paying fee for your crap on the web (unless, a service or game like EVE). Look, this is a ridiculous bill and you could make a thread over 9000 pages arguing what is/isn't piracy. The legal system couldn't comprehend in a timely fashion anything truly illegit case-by-case basis anyway. Screw this, like I said. Internet is neutral as is, and is to be preserved this way for all sake. Not dominated by notorious copyright dogs. Whatever you put on the Internet stays there, forever. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img]
VKhaun Vex Viziam Amarr Empire 276	Posted - 2012.01.21 10:16:00 - [48] - Quote Reiisha wrote: Hopefully copyright law will either be ablished or replaced with something more sane regarding author's rights. Somehow, no matter how you put it, i can't see a valid reason for someone who wasn't born untill decades after the original artist's death has any right whatsoever profiting from his work. "Rights" and "contracts" are a pretty damn poor excuse if you ask me, no matter how you spin it you're profiting off the work of a dead guy with 0 effort on your part other than to tell your lawyers to sue people. That's already covered with 'public domain'. It's why you hear old movie quotes on the radio and in techno songs. After something is X years old you don't get copyrights anymore except under special circumstances. Even if it wasn't, you're basing a broad statement on a small issue that's not connected. Even if you feel copyrights should die with the author, plenty of piracy happens with the author still being alive.
VKhaun Vex Viziam Amarr Empire 276	Posted - 2012.01.21 10:21:00 - [49] - Quote BLACK-STAR wrote: Nobody owns the internet. Do you think your information moves by carrier pidgeon? Magic fairies? Y-Rays? BLACK-STAR wrote: Say whatever about internet connections or whoever OWNS the IP SERVICE. Whatever is on the Internet is by people, not ISP providers or government. Servers are owned by whoever pays them, we agree? Indeed we do pay for internet service, so what is your point? Paying for access? you're not paying fee for your crap on the web (unless, a service or game like EVE). Look, this is a ridiculous bill and you could make a thread over 9000 pages arguing what is/isn't piracy. The legal system couldn't comprehend in a timely fashion anything truly illegit case-by-case basis anyway. Screw this, like I said. Internet is neutral as is, and is to be preserved this way for all sake. Not dominated by notorious copyright dogs. Whatever you put on the Internet stays there, forever. That is ridiculous. NOTHING is stored on 'the internet' it's all hosted on a computer (servers being a type of computer). The ISP's provide the service of transferring data from one computer to another. THEY OWN the internet that transfers that data. Without the transfer, it's not communication. It's just a home computer not connected to anything.
BLACK-STAR 411	Posted - 2012.01.21 15:27:00 - [50] - Quote VKhaun Vex wrote: BLACK-STAR wrote: Nobody owns the internet. Do you think your information moves by carrier pidgeon? Magic fairies? Y-Rays? BLACK-STAR wrote: Say whatever about internet connections or whoever OWNS the IP SERVICE. Whatever is on the Internet is by people, not ISP providers or government. Servers are owned by whoever pays them, we agree? Indeed we do pay for internet service, so what is your point? Paying for access? you're not paying fee for your crap on the web (unless, a service or game like EVE). Look, this is a ridiculous bill and you could make a thread over 9000 pages arguing what is/isn't piracy. The legal system couldn't comprehend in a timely fashion anything truly illegit case-by-case basis anyway. Screw this, like I said. Internet is neutral as is, and is to be preserved this way for all sake. Not dominated by notorious copyright dogs. Whatever you put on the Internet stays there, forever. That is ridiculous. NOTHING is stored on 'the internet' it's all hosted on a computer (servers being a type of computer). The ISP's provide the service of transferring data from one computer to another. THEY OWN the internet that transfers that data. Without the transfer, it's not communication. It's just a home computer not connected to anything. You're ridiculous and I'm done talking to you. I explained this clearly. I don't understand why you try to argue with what I stated factual. Don't be a moron. Nobody owns Internet and get that through your skull. People can own SERVERS or data, it's not ownership of Internet, neither are the providers that give you access in/out ways of it. wow! HERP DERPPPP Enough with you, I can't see where you're trying to argue when I couldn't have put things simpler. Go back and read over what I said maybe instead of trying to sound like a smart ass, you're definitely not in par here. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img]
Solinuas Beyond Evil and Good 53	Posted - 2012.01.22 11:08:00 - [51] - Quote The internet is not owned by any single entity, it is thousands of seperate ones, maybe hundreds of thousands, so many that effectively no one owns it. And even without the internet digital piracy is going to happen, be it through a privately owned server, or by transferring it directly through a seperate and secure channel (like a LAN cable)

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