Yes I said it. Fun. Eve is a video game. Video games are a type of game. Games are meant to be fun. Therefore, Eve is meant to be fun. Please dont crucify me because I play games to have fun

Any chance you're going to look at maybe proving CSM aren't catering to 0.0 alliances and looking at making 0.0 more viable for solo players and small groups without forcing them to pay ridiculous taxes just to go into the space without getting ganked?

That is, if you really are about having fun and not just wanting fun for yourself.

I've never run an Incursion but I hear the rewards are ridiculous, good on whoever is stopping that.. Darius III wasn't he a Goon?

I've never collected moon goo but I hear the rewards are ridiculous, good on whoever is stopping that... wait that'd be nobody.

I'll give you a non-trolling answer:

The problem isn't the amount of isk. The problem is that the actual act of taking away a system is a massive cockstab which is way, way too easy to deflect. The SOV system needs to be modified to be much, much more dynamic than it currently is, with a lot more small targets. This would have the knock-on benefits of enabling two coalitions to run constant harassment against the other to grind down SOV, instead of these fuckoff huge fleets we currently see all the time with 1000+ in local.

While 1000+ in local is fun, designing a SOV system which encourages smaller fleet engagements would most likely be more fun and enable smaller alliances to gain a foothold in otherwise unused nullsec space.

Tech isn't an isk faucet. It transfers isk, yes, but it doesn't add or remove isk from the game in any way, shape or form.

This is actually a very good answer by a goon. But there is one problem. ISK. Small entities cannot compete with large entities. Even if you by some miracle get a system or a bunch of system you still cannot afford to war on your enemy. Not when your enemy has ship replacemnt programs etc. They can always win by either share number, or super caps, or merc or isk. So many alliances have moved into 0.0 emire space to earn isk with the possibility of later obtaining space but instead 0.0 empire becomes the death of them cos they cant move and actually conquer space. The reasons mentioned above just keep showing its ogly face =(

Running for President?

Sorry I am doing a drive by on this thread.

OP is literally the weakest link here. This doesn't have anything to do with the CSM or CCP. Nor does it have to do with 0.0 Vs bears.

This is focused on removal of an out of whack mechanic and removing a risk free Isk Faucet.

At first I thought no one could be dumber than Endevor Starfleet. Thanks for proving me wrong.

You guys with your conspiracy theories are really taxing my ability to read, and respond to, genuine questions/concerns about what we are doing. For some, this is about the tears. For others revenge is the motive. At the core-we really are genuinely trying to force CCP to balance Incursions with the rest of Eve. I suspect a lot of us are doing this because it is something to do, and that it overlaps other reasons listed above.

CCP has a long history of bringing something into a game and tweaking it to bring it to close levels with other things of a similar nature. Remember when the Drone Regions were new? I erected a POS with refining array. Was making stupid amounts of ISK refining the drone compounds. When I say stupid amounts of ISK I mean crazy stupid amounts of ISK. Few months later they reduced the mineral payouts from killing Drone spawns.

I was a little sad, but I understood that what I was making unfair amounts of money doing something easy, and when they nerfed the deal, I made a more balanced income vs. the risk of other occupations. They did good balancing act on that, even though it hurt me personally.

My primary personal motivations and goals for shutting down incursions have been met, mostly. What I really wanted to do was make a big enough impression that the organizers of leading incursion teams would have a conference with me. They did, and it was productive-at least to me. I got their truthful answers and very valuable input about incursions, that I used to make my recommendations to CCP about a nerf. Most of the rest of it was for trolling and for fun.

Yes I said it. Fun. Eve is a video game. Video games are a type of game. Games are meant to be fun. Therefore, Eve is meant to be fun. Please dont crucify me because I play games to have fun

Of course ISK wil rear its face at some point, that doesn't change the fact that what we're seeing, right now, is a ton of space not being used by anyone, but it's also not being attacked because everyone knows it'll take a LONG time to actually get anywhere, if just looking at the mass of EHP on structures. There's a reason Delve/Querious/etc was left in IT Alliance's hands for months after they essentially died.

If the act of actually losing SOV (and as a result, taking SOV) was easier, then today's large sprawling empires wouldn't be nearly as easy to defend, and as such they would end up contracting on their own.

ISK does make it easier to defend space because you have ship replacement programs etc, yes, but there comes a point where you end up having too much to defend. ISK can only carry you so far before you burn out.

incursions dont need nerfed they need balanced so they cant be grinded forever, there should be a reward for ending an incursion quickly, or make the site bountys degrade over time. then ccp can focus on breathing life back into 0.0 by making sov worth taking.

TLDR;

Null sec tears becuase they can't make that much isk/hour in null which is BS
High sec tears saying leave my game play alone for my gaming style they do the job
Darrius 3 wanting revenge for having his little pos nerfed in drone region....
oh and Lord zim being a typical goon thinking the game is all about null sec.

missed anything?

"621 billion ISK is paid out by CONCORD every week from Incursions" impressive amount of isk they are making.

TLDR;

Null sec tears becuase they can't make that much isk/hour in null which is BS
High sec tears saying leave my game play alone for my gaming style they do the job
Darrius 3 wanting revenge for having his little pos nerfed in drone region....


missed anything?

You didnt miss anything, you missed everything I wanted you to believe.

Now do something useful since you don't want people to be able to make ISK, do it against the moon holders who have it just as easy with their JF's, JB routes, Cyno gens, intel channels... Go ahead and do your best to make me believe that apparently that isn't "in-balanced".

"Why don't you go pick on them instead? We're just a small snack, they're a much bigger snack!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAu_Ykvju5A

LOL great response. All you do is mock people who bring valid points to the argument you've done it with every reply whether it is to me or to other people.

Its called framing - you are framing incursions as the "end of the game", when what is really on everyones mind is the end of the game will be the influence of people like you and the null sec entities.

There's a reason I'm mocking people like you. You're being whiny about someone ruining the game because they're playing the incursions in a way which is perfectly legal, by killing off the mothership when it appears. Nowhere does it say "the mothership must not be touched until the absolute last moment" in the rules.

Harden the **** up, wardec them and make them stop, instead of being a whiny little goat going "please grief them instead, they're much fatter than me!".

Jeez.

Have you ever thought that what you are doing is really good for the game not your tears and stamping of your feet and desire to get your own way like a 3 year old but becuase you have issue's with the percieved "in-balance" and decided to develop a type of game play to disrupt the well oiled teams (remember just becuase people work well together doesn't mean its inbalanced sometimes all thats needed is a bit of variety and flexibility to surprise). That to me is another form of PVP and a route for the game that makes it interesting.

******* hell you dumb **** read the ******* post you ********. I say that its a form of pvp that is fine and good for the game you tit.

"It's perfectly fine, but please, please, go grief the nullbears instead. :( :( :("

Have you ever thought that what you are doing is really good for the game not your tears and stamping of your feet and desire to get your own way like a 3 year old but becuase you have issue's with the percieved "in-balance" and decided to develop a type of game play to disrupt the well oiled teams (remember just becuase people work well together doesn't mean its inbalanced sometimes all thats needed is a bit of variety and flexibility to surprise). That to me is another form of PVP and a route for the game that makes it interesting.