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Tommiles Gallente valiant shadows	Posted - 2007.09.09 01:47:00 - [1] aveage price for Lead Charge M is 31.61405465375 over 4 Regions aveage price for a Fed Navy Lead Charge M is 500 over 4 Regions thats OVER 1600% more CCP needs to lower how much it costs to turn ammo in to Faction ammo there is no way that a non mission runner will over buy that for that much Originally by: CCP Prism X If nobody buys ISK then this wouldn't be an issue, but sadly there will always be people who fancy taking the shortest route to eternal n00bness and pay real money for it to boot.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.09.09 01:49:00 - [2] If you dont like the price dont buy it. Lots and lots of people use it for PVP.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.09.09 01:50:00 - [3] Then run some missions for said faction and profit from it. ------------ Whiners - Unite! \| Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist.
Riddick Valer	Posted - 2007.09.09 01:55:00 - [4] Faction ammo is also a hot market for resellers. Limited supply and high demand.... Its also worth the price for PVP.
SharpMango	Posted - 2007.09.09 01:56:00 - [5] looks like theres money to be made...
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.09 01:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Tommiles aveage price for Lead Charge M is 31.61405465375 over 4 Regions aveage price for a Fed Navy Lead Charge M is 500 over 4 Regions thats OVER 1600% more CCP needs to lower how much it costs to turn ammo in to Faction ammo there is no way that a non mission runner will over buy that for that much Supply and Demand system sucks for you eh? Find a way to make more isk then.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Kosakova Intrinnae Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.09.09 01:57:00 - [7] for projectile ammo it costs about 330isk each to create any Medium sized ammo, so they have to make a profit for selling it too or it wont be worth doing.
v1nk3r Target Practice Inc. Pure.	Posted - 2007.09.09 01:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Tommiles aveage price for Lead Charge M is 31.61405465375 over 4 Regions aveage price for a Fed Navy Lead Charge M is 500 over 4 Regions thats OVER 1600% more CCP needs to lower how much it costs to turn ammo in to Faction ammo there is no way that a non mission runner will over buy that for that much You are out of control.
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.09.09 01:58:00 - [9] I expect to see faction ammo nerfed sometime soon. Not that I want it nerfed, but it is better than tech 2 ammo. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.09 02:00:00 - [10] arent all faction goodies better than t2? 1987.08.31 00:29:09 Combat Your Smooth Criminal perfectly strikes Annie, wrecking for A Crescendo.
Kosakova Intrinnae Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.09.09 02:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Tortun Nahme arent all faction goodies better than t2? have you seen a domination invul field? its same as t1 but better cap usage XD
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.09 02:13:00 - [12] Certainly for gallente ammo faction is based more towards kinetic and does SLIGHTLY less damage than tech II ofc without the drawbacks. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Bizz Lizz	Posted - 2007.09.09 02:18:00 - [13] Faction ammo isn't meant as standard ammo for mission running and ratting, except you can effort it. Most people don't fit faction modules on each of their ships either, because it's too expensive to do that. Don't see the difference.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.09.09 02:30:00 - [14] Another rare moment when I am happy to fly Amarr. Logoffs
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.09 02:49:00 - [15] I will say that I use faction Anti matter and faction thorium for my missions, really gives my 8x425mm rails a punch --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.09 02:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Tarminic Then run some missions for said faction and profit from it. Most reasonable reply here really. Factions will convert your ammo for a very reasonable price of both ISK and LPs. Only other cost is your time to do the missions. But since everyone wants things for cheap (or if possible, free), I can see why someone might overlook this and balk at high market prices which might also take into account the premium placed on the seller's time to acquire the items for sale. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.09 02:59:00 - [17] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 09/09/2007 02:59:43 15% more damage usually means 15% faster missions (more against better tanked NPCs less with lots of travel time), 15% of mission reward + bounties (times number of missions the ammo lasts) needs to be greater than the cost of the ammo and it is. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.09.09 11:30:00 - [18] When it's about overpriced ammo, then have you seen the price on Barrage M? I know it's not a faction ammo, but wtf, buying 20k of Barrage M will cost you like 28 mill isk nowdays
Spenz Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.09.09 12:08:00 - [19] Edited by: Spenz on 09/09/2007 12:09:20 Faction ammo is cheap if LP means nothing to you. Otherwise 500 per unit is a pretty good price. Faction ammo costs around 1300 per unit down in Khanid. Alot of profit to be had making faction ammo. I would do it myself if I wasn't fighting. Its like 1.4k lp, 1.4 mil isk, and 5k charges to make 5k faction charges. If LP means anything to you, thats 2.8 mil for 5k charges you just spent. You bet your ship that guy is going to charge 500 isk per unit (note: I dont know if this has changed. I havent done missions since the LP store was first put in, but if the whines about faction ammo being too easy to make were any indication, LP prices and isk prices probably went up when the store was balanced). If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.09.09 12:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Tommiles aveage price for Lead Charge M is 31.61405465375 over 4 Regions aveage price for a Fed Navy Lead Charge M is 500 over 4 Regions thats OVER 1600% more CCP needs to lower how much it costs to turn ammo in to Faction ammo there is no way that a non mission runner will over buy that for that much As I typed in a differnt post earier this morning: WE are the market, so we set the price. And the price is always "on spot" (correct) whether its highly below or highly above the price CCP operates with as a guideline. Originally by: Splagada you're on eve-o, just go for blunt insults and random crap, please!
Quasar Black Minmatar Rens 911	Posted - 2007.09.09 12:22:00 - [21] Damn right its out of control. I'm loving it. Keep buying my Republic Fleet EMP ammo my lovely consumers.
Ravenal The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.09 12:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Tortun Nahme arent all faction goodies better than t2? yes and no. Faction ships are worse than t2 ships (fleet stabber vs vagabond) t2 guns are generally better if fitted with t2 ammo and high weapon specialization skill, faction ammo in faction guns kinda ruins that experience. Faction ammo in t2 guns gets even worse for the t2 ammo. compare wrath cruise missile to wrath fury/precision and caldari navy/guristas wrath missile: wrath cruise: flight time 20s, velocity 3750m/s, damage 300 HP Fury: flight time 10s, velocity 1750m/s, damage 345 PH precision: flight time 10s, velocity 3750m/s, damage 260 HP (added bonus explosion radius and explosion velocity) guristas: flight time 20s, mex velocity same as t1, damage 330 HP caldari navy: same flight, same velocity, damage 345 HP while guristas get 10% damage bonus the caldari navy gets 15%? what gives? This also means that caldari navy wrath missile is doing the same damage as FURY t2 ammo, you know the HIGH damage one AND it has twice the flight time AND twice the flight velocity??? and t2 ammo got nerfed for a reason my behind! please fix this crap, the t1, faction, t2, officer stuff is supposed to work t1 < faction <= t2 < officer where the <= means faction and t2 are about the same while faction has easier fitting reqs (can be loaded into t1 guns) while t2 gets the < with the t2 specialization skills. I say it's time to unnerf the t2 ammo again, with this easy access to faction ammo which has no penalties keeping the t2 ammo nerfed to crap is just silly. .
Amaron Ghant Caldari b00's Crew	Posted - 2007.09.09 12:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Tommiles aveage price for Lead Charge M is 31.61405465375 over 4 Regions aveage price for a Fed Navy Lead Charge M is 500 over 4 Regions thats OVER 1600% more CCP needs to lower how much it costs to turn ammo in to Faction ammo there is no way that a non mission runner will over buy that for that much As I typed in a differnt post earier this morning: WE are the market, so we set the price. And the price is always "on spot" (correct) whether its highly below or highly above the price CCP operates with as a guideline. Got to agree with this.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.09 12:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Tommiles CCP needs to lower how much it costs to turn ammo in to Faction ammo there is no way that a non mission runner will over buy that for that much If you're not willing to spend 1 mil instead of 50k for ammo that gives you +20% DPS and no drawbacks, then DON'T BUY IT. I don't hear you complain about T2 ammo, which is both at around the same pricetag AND usually lousier except a select few in some special circumstances. If anything, the price of faction ammo should be INCREASED at least two-fold (if not more), or at least T2 ammo needs to have all its penalities removed. _ EVE GOLDEN RULES \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.09 13:17:00 - [25] +15% actually. But if anything faction ammo is still way WAY too cheap. Its price/effect ratio is far greater than t2 high damage ammo since it has no negative drawbacks.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.09.09 13:30:00 - [26] [Economist hat] There is good money to be made running missions and turning regular ammo into faction ammo. If you want to push down the price of faction ammo and profit at the same time then run missions and spend the lp on doing so. One typical level 4 mission will earn you the lp to turn 5000 heavies into caldari navy heavies and turn a nice big profit while undercutting the other sellers. Or you could whine about it. That might work. ----- I'll be in my pod
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.09.09 14:07:00 - [27] 500 per is actually very cheap, given that it costs 1.6 mill + LP + base ammo per 5k _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) Elcyion Lacar
Stakhanov Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.09.09 14:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Tommiles aveage price for Lead Charge M is 31.61405465375 over 4 Regions aveage price for a Fed Navy Lead Charge M is 500 over 4 Regions thats OVER 1600% more CCP needs to lower how much it costs to turn ammo in to Faction ammo there is no way that a non mission runner will over buy that for that much Lead ammo is still cheap , you should check the price difference for faction antimatter ammo. It's OVER NINE THOUSAND !!! Originally by: Cipher7 If you manage to get baited, what's your skill, being a good victim?
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.09 14:47:00 - [29] I wish CCP could allow us to invent faction mods, faction ammo and faction ships. The invention idea is the best idea that has ever happened to T2 market. :) --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.09 15:44:00 - [30] WTS: Clue. Faction ammo used to only drop from rats ffs. How can you complain. Originally by: consider telos ..then we had a fight and he was so dead and then I like became champion of eve and then ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked me to go out with him on a date to mcD'

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