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Cass Daystar	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:09:00 - [1] Ok, so I know this isn't the first time this topic has been bandied about, and it is gonna start a flame war, but really, isn't it time to consider a new server? Personally, I would find it exciting to start fresh on a new server. People who want to stay are certainly welcome to, but for new players and players who want to start with a clean slate, this is an exciting opportunity to level the playing field and start again. From a business perspective, it makes nothing but good sense. You can reduce the lag on your existing servers as some players migrate to the new server, AND you encourage new players to join up. This last point is very important since one of the strongest complaints from noobs is that they will never be able to catch up to the old-timers. From a role playing / rational explanation for the "reason" for a new server - just consider it one of those "branching" theories for Multiple Worlds Interpretation. The EVE universe exists in multiple dimensions, and a second one just became playable! Seems like an easy solution. I know this is gonna start a flame war, but can you imagine a server without BOB? Goons or RA, -A-? I can, and I like it! Hell. It would be like playing a brand new game! I might even keep my old accounts and buy new ones too! (If this doesn't motivate CCP, I don't know what will!)
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:10:00 - [2] Die.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
torswin	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:12:00 - [3] No. One shard is one of the things that makes EVE unique. --- Signature radius: 150 mm Unless explicitly stated, this post does not represent my alliance, corporation, my own, or any other living organism's view.
ParkerJ Caldari SPECTRE Ops Mercenary Services	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:13:00 - [4] i dont think its a good idea it would cause the community to shatter and the game would flop ....as the saying goes DONT FIX IT IF IT AINT BROKEN ParkerJ
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:13:00 - [5] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 09/09/2007 08:14:25 Hi, feel free to go back to WoW Every server you add reduces the significance of anything you achieve by 1/n where n is the number of servers --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:14:00 - [6] Sharding Eve would be like an admission that the game doesn't work. So no. ----- I'll be in my pod
lolzor	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Cass Daystar I know this is gonna start a flame war, but can you imagine a server without BOB? Goons or RA, -A-? I can, and I like it! How naive are you?? The EXACT same thing will happen on the new server..
Ather Ialeas Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:26:00 - [8] Here's a shocker for everyone of you: EVE IS ALREADY SHARDED. The shards are just happen to be connected to each other rather nicely, what you're really asking is limiting the amount of people in hopes it'll take away the lag which I'm not going to comment on. Also I can't think of any commercial MMO that would've done a server wipe (similar to what you're asking) in any part of its existence. -
Dia Nork	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:28:00 - [9] Oh yes. Have BoB go to that new server and take all of 0.0 space. And Goon stay here and take all the 0.0 space on this one.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:31:00 - [10] "From a business perspective, it makes nothing but good sense." It could kill the game. There are tons of bad points and no good reason to do it. What about in 2 years times are they meant to make a 3rd server? Passive shield tanking guide click here
Cass Daystar	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:34:00 - [11] LOL! 8 flames in 28 minutes! This has been more fun than I expected! But seriously - "sharding" EVE doesn't break it or prove it doesn't work. EVE has matured and is at a point where it is time to shard it. Placing limits on the # of people allowed into a single system is a better solution? Seriously? And yes, other MMOs have done just that. Most MMOs dont spend the kind of money on servers that CCP does (to their credit!), so their solution is to open up new shards. Some people will move. Most will probably not. In any event, even if 50% of EVE moves to a new server, how is this any more "broken" than the EVE of 2 years ago, when the population was sitting at 15,000 people a day? I didn't think EVE was broken then, so I don't think it would be broken if numbers shrank to that level again.
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Cass Daystar Ok, so I know this isn't the first time this topic has been bandied about, and it is gonna start a flame war, but really, isn't it time to consider a new server? No. Quote: Personally, I would find it exciting to start fresh on a new server. People who want to stay are certainly welcome to, but for new players and players who want to start with a clean slate, this is an exciting opportunity to level the playing field and start again. Ah just like the people in WoW requesting new servers every few days... The funny part is that it doesn't actually level the playing field. You still got great players and you still got mediocre players, if you can't make it on a server that means you are mediocre and hence a new server won't help you. Quote: From a business perspective, it makes nothing but good sense. You can reduce the lag on your existing servers as some players migrate to the new server, AND you encourage new players to join up. This last point is very important since one of the strongest complaints from noobs is that they will never be able to catch up to the old-timers. Define catch up? No you can't branch out into as many areas as a player with 60mil SP. On the other hand flying a ship as good as a vet is quite well possible. Also from a business perspective this would make no sense at all. Spending loads of effort over the years to claim that eve is unsharded and then throw all that away by sharding the universe. Quote: From a role playing / rational explanation for the "reason" for a new server - just consider it one of those "branching" theories for Multiple Worlds Interpretation. The EVE universe exists in multiple dimensions, and a second one just became playable! Seems like an easy solution. I know this is gonna start a flame war, but can you imagine a server without BOB? Goons or RA, -A-? I can, and I like it! Hell. It would be like playing a brand new game! I might even keep my old accounts and buy new ones too! (If this doesn't motivate CCP, I don't know what will!) No I can't imangine Eve without BoB or RA or -A-, because if their was another server there would be just as much power politics on that server and you would still be stuck in mediocrity as either a lowly corp member in .0 or as some missioning drone. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:35:00 - [13] Die.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Grez Minmatar Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:37:00 - [14] Learn how the EVE infrastructure works. ---
Ather Ialeas Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Pottsey "From a business perspective, it makes nothing but good sense." It could kill the game. There are tons of bad points and no good reason to do it. What about in 2 years times are they meant to make a 3rd server? From business POV it would actually make EVE more popular if there was some obvious differences between the two independent shards, most common division is PvP and PvE realms. However it would of course steer the other alternative away from what the original focus was and would require double the amount of developing since like we know, for example lvl4 mission running in lowsec has a risk which keeps those faction fitted battleships away and because of that they're of course a bit rarer since you can't just go to lowsec and grind away LP:s for those BPC:s. Another aspect is of course the need for capitals in general, if you can't have awesome slugfests with capital fleets and not-so-awesome slugfests with POSses then why even train for one. And then again if faction becomes the norm, how do you rebalance things so that everything's still unified? In short, 2 shards don't double the amount income for the developer unless the game is designed to work on that philosophy in the beginning. World of Warcraft was designed as an extendable and cloneable environment and that's why they have what, 9 million players atm (that's 1,62 billion dollars of income per year for Blizzard btw). -
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Die.. QFT "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Radar Rat SPECTRE Ops Mercenary Services	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:48:00 - [17] Part of the reason eve is such a great game is because it's on a single server, it allows players to build a reputation and to interact in ways that just wouldn't be possible otherwise. So in other words ,no, lets not destroy the game... ---------------------------------------------- The early bird may catch the worm, but its the second rat that gets the cheese !!!
Damneia Achernius Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:52:00 - [18] this a BIG "NO" one shard is what makes EvE different and the best MMO. show me one MMO that has 35k ppl online in same server (browser MMOs dont count :P)
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Cass Daystar LOL! 8 flames in 28 minutes! This has been more fun than I expected! But seriously - "sharding" EVE doesn't break it or prove it doesn't work. EVE has matured and is at a point where it is time to shard it. Placing limits on the # of people allowed into a single system is a better solution? Seriously? And yes, other MMOs have done just that. Most MMOs dont spend the kind of money on servers that CCP does (to their credit!), so their solution is to open up new shards. Some people will move. Most will probably not. In any event, even if 50% of EVE moves to a new server, how is this any more "broken" than the EVE of 2 years ago, when the population was sitting at 15,000 people a day? I didn't think EVE was broken then, so I don't think it would be broken if numbers shrank to that level again. And when all the new players only join the new server, who the hell is going to mine your trit and sell it at 2 isk p/u? Hm? /me waits for macro miner joke T2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers \| Eve GUI Tweaks
smenkhare The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:55:00 - [20] do you have any idea how much that would cost? let me give you a hint. 6 figure minimum
Cass Daystar	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:58:00 - [21] Ok, seriously, I am not trying to be a jerk here. I AM having some fun with the anti-shard lobby, but I am also serious. As to the insinuation that someone isn't "making it" in EVE - well, no, I wasnt talking about PLAYER skill. THAT will always be a variable beyond game mechanics. I was simply referring to a noob who wants to play in the same game as a 60 mil SP player. Obviously there is a HUGE advantage that can never really be overcome by the noob, no matter how hard he tries. Yes, I know the next poster will say that a GOOD player can kill another player, regardless of the SP difference. Well... so show us. I don't believe that a 2 month old character CAN kill a 60 mil SP player, unless he catches him in a hauler or shuttle. I suppose other possibilities exist, but really, if they are in even approximately equal ships then the high SP player will always win. Right? Please be honest in your flames. Ok, as to the "single shard is what makes EVE unique" - Well... I have played other MMOs also, and I have been around EVE for years now, and TBH, I always feel that this is just mystical nonsense. Here comes another round of rapid-fire flames - but HONESTLY ask yourself... how MANY of those 30,000 ppl who are online at any one time do you KNOW? How many know YOU? The single shard argument was legitimate - at one time - but not now IMHO. When there are 120,000 accounts and 20-30,000 of them are on at any one time, then it is not a big sanbox where we all interact with each other (except thru the market), it is just a really big shard. You still don't know any more people or even meet any more people than the server that was capped at 20,000 players. Honestly, do you really believe that you will meet/know everyone in this game? Finally, the idea that this would be an admission of the failure of the "single shard" experiment that is EVE... I disagree. I think it is a proven success - and now it is simply time to replicate it. Arguments are good. Mindless flames are... for children. Is this an EVE community or a WOW community?
Cass Daystar	Posted - 2007.09.09 09:00:00 - [22] Originally by: Haffrage Originally by: Cass Daystar LOL! 8 flames in 28 minutes! This has been more fun than I expected! But seriously - "sharding" EVE doesn't break it or prove it doesn't work. EVE has matured and is at a point where it is time to shard it. Placing limits on the # of people allowed into a single system is a better solution? Seriously? And yes, other MMOs have done just that. Most MMOs dont spend the kind of money on servers that CCP does (to their credit!), so their solution is to open up new shards. Some people will move. Most will probably not. In any event, even if 50% of EVE moves to a new server, how is this any more "broken" than the EVE of 2 years ago, when the population was sitting at 15,000 people a day? I didn't think EVE was broken then, so I don't think it would be broken if numbers shrank to that level again. And when all the new players only join the new server, who the hell is going to mine your trit and sell it at 2 isk p/u? Hm? /me waits for macro miner joke I always figure that supply and demand will win out over boredom. Look at the goofy things that people will do to make ISK? Besides, Cribba isn't going anywhere, right? /me ducks from the wrath of Cribba.
Cass Daystar	Posted - 2007.09.09 09:05:00 - [23] Originally by: smenkhare do you have any idea how much that would cost? let me give you a hint. 6 figure minimum Well... I think you meant to say a lot more than 6 figures. (100,000 is six figures) But yes, it would cost them a lot. I wouldn't even think of suggesting to them to cannibalize their existing infrastructure to make another shard - that would defeat the purpose! No, it would cost - but I think it would increase enrollment - even if only from players like me who would keep both sets of accounts.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.09.09 09:23:00 - [24] No CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Jacques Maximilien Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.09.09 09:24:00 - [25] No. Warmest Regards, Jacques Maximilien
Asestorian Minmatar Domination.	Posted - 2007.09.09 09:25:00 - [26] What would happen if a new server was made here, is the same as what happened when the opened a new server in China. Though perhaps slightly less ISK farming. A load of people will simply rush to take space, build a huge POS network that is almost invincible because no one can fly capitals, and the whole thing will get boring and collapse. This server exists as it does because of it's slow evolution. That won't happen if a new server is opened. And I can imagine a server without BoB, Goons RA etc. It would suck. The rich and interesting history of this world would not transfer over. This server would probably lose some of it's population too. EVE was always designed as a single shard world, and it would fall flat on it's face if anything else would happen. --- ---
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.09.09 09:26:00 - [27] ôwas simply referring to a noob who wants to play in the same game as a 60 mil SP player. Obviously there is a HUGE advantage that can never really be overcome by the noob, no matter how hard he tries.ö ThatÆs not true there are a limited amount of skill points in each shipclass the noob can max out his chosen profession without having 60mill skill points. As you can only be in 1 ship at a time the 60mill guy has no advantage as both could be doing the same DPS output and same tankable ability. I would not call that a HUGE advantage. ôEVE of 2 years ago, when the population was sitting at 15,000 people a day? I didn't think EVE was broken then,ö No it wasnÆt broken but it was less fun. What make Eve great is its one big universe and the more players the more alive it feels. Lowering the population takes away part of what Eve is making it worse. When the population is low you can sit in a sector never see anyone and get bored. Its far better to see people moving about. Making a new shard will only make the game worse. It will offer no good benefits. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Cass Daystar	Posted - 2007.09.09 09:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Adonis 4174 Originally by: Cass Daystar Finally, the idea that this would be an admission of the failure of the "single shard" experiment that is EVE... I disagree. I think it is a proven success - and now it is simply time to replicate it. By destroying it. The game can be run as a single shard. The wonder of the pvp tournament has been partly that these are all people who I share a world with. Imagine seeing something totally awesome and realising it's from the other server and forever beyond your reach. That is something that will never happen on Eve and for good reason. Well... that one got me. Good point!
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.09 09:30:00 - [29] Originally by: Cass Daystar Ok, seriously, I am not trying to be a jerk here. I AM having some fun with the anti-shard lobby, but I am also serious. (skip some crap) Well... so show us. I don't believe that a 2 month old character CAN kill a 60 mil SP player, unless he catches him in a hauler or shuttle. I suppose other possibilities exist, but really, if they are in even approximately equal ships then the high SP player will always win. Right? Please be honest in your flames. You Fail. The great appeal with eve is that you DONT have the control. You CANT control everything. The universe doesn't revolve around the actions you take - you are just part of a bigger picture. Now go back to wow you flamebating smacktard, seriously. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
Minmatar baby	Posted - 2007.09.09 09:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Cass Daystar Ok, so I know this isn't the first time this topic has been bandied about, and it is gonna start a flame war, but really, isn't it time to consider a new server? Personally, I would find it exciting to start fresh on a new server. People who want to stay are certainly welcome to, but for new players and players who want to start with a clean slate, this is an exciting opportunity to level the playing field and start again. From a business perspective, it makes nothing but good sense. You can reduce the lag on your existing servers as some players migrate to the new server, AND you encourage new players to join up. This last point is very important since one of the strongest complaints from noobs is that they will never be able to catch up to the old-timers. From a role playing / rational explanation for the "reason" for a new server - just consider it one of those "branching" theories for Multiple Worlds Interpretation. The EVE universe exists in multiple dimensions, and a second one just became playable! Seems like an easy solution. I know this is gonna start a flame war, but can you imagine a server without BOB? Goons or RA, -A-? I can, and I like it! Hell. It would be like playing a brand new game! I might even keep my old accounts and buy new ones too! (If this doesn't motivate CCP, I don't know what will!) Die plz? why ruin eve?.... keep eve at one shard.. TNX!......

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