Hopefully its some thing that lets you know if there on grid with you, maybe see were they are. But doesn't decloak.

This is definitely not a "activate module, ship is decloaked" thing. I'm assuming when they said "like finding a submarine" that it will give your ship some direction that it detected the cloak ship in, as long as it's on grid. Eventually, if you're afk, it will find you. If you aren't afk, then you would have to be stupid to stick around long enough for it to find you and decloak you.

Those who think AFK cloaking in a system doesn't have any detrimental effects.. well, you're a moron and if you don't get it by now, then me stating what 30000 other people have already stated isn't going to get through to you. Nuff said.

First of all, I doubt that. This is a anti-AFK cloaking move anyways.

But let's assume you're right:
I jump to that gatecamp with my friend, start to get a good position (this is where they would most likely know we're there) on the tornado, and start bombing. Seconds later we got a claw and a daredevil untop of us.

This change would destroy those invaluable few seconds of confusion that cloaks cause.

This is definitely not a "activate module, ship is decloaked" thing. I'm assuming when they said "like finding a submarine" that it will give your ship some direction that it detected the cloak ship in, as long as it's on grid. Eventually, if you're afk, it will find you. If you aren't afk, then you would have to be stupid to stick around long enough for it to find you and decloak you.

Those who think AFK cloaking in a system doesn't have any detrimental effects.. well, you're a moron and if you don't get it by now, then me stating what 30000 other people have already stated isn't going to get through to you. Nuff said.

I would more be for hunting ship that allows you to see position that the cloaker was in last x mins ago. That way it doesnt completely kill out current in-grid cloaky happenings, as people who actively pilot their cloakers can still zigzag around to create mess for the catcher to follow. However it would allow dedicated people to nuke afk cloakers after they spent time working, multiple hits to get supposed "afk route" that it's moving, either straight line/orbiting something and then using the current decloak mechanism to bring it out. It might take half-hour to hour to purge that afk cloaker but it would work. It wouldnt do jack nor **** for active cloakers harassing people as they could move in unpredictable patterns or warp between SS's.

However knowing CCP's track record they will implement this in a way that totally kills players actively playing their cloaky ship but fails to solve the afk cloaker problem. Aka limiting the range to spot something on the grid etc.

Give us ability to pinpoint where the cloaker was ~5 minutes ago and we'll work with that ourself. The non-afk cloaker with speed of 100m/s has been able to move 30 km total distance, putting him well out of the "land and auto-decloak" range. Multiple hits provide players points A-B-C and if they're unable to figure out where D etc is then tbh they deserve that afk cloaker.

I would more be for hunting ship that allows you to see position that the cloaker was in last x mins ago. That way it doesnt completely kill out current in-grid cloaky happenings....

We used more than 5 minutes going from warpin to a fitting spot for attack. They would know we were there and ruin our chances to attack AND survive (suicide bombing will still work).

Other than that, it sounds like an amazing idea!

We used more than 5 minutes going from warpin to a fitting spot for attack. They would know we were there and ruin our chances to attack AND survive (suicide bombing will still work).

Other than that, it sounds like an amazing idea!

I wrote long and mathematical post, then forum ate it.

Long story short;

300 m/s covop bomber creates 3 mil km3 sphere from point a (pinpoint location). Decloaker has sphere of 65 km3 where he decloaks peeps. Likelihood of success? Nil unless the covop was stationary.

In same scenario, the covop moves 70 km towards target, 20 km in 90 degree angle from that trajectory. All that in the first 5 minutes, being in a spot where enemy who lands at the spot the sb started and burns directly at target would still not decloak the sbomber.

Further in said scenario, the enemy has pinpointed the 70 km worth of direct burn and the 20 km degree turn. However active sbomber pilot has again had 90 km worth of traveling to use to throw off the tracker who again has 3 mil km3 of area where the sbomber "might be." Ofc if the sbomber warps to SS midway and spends time there, things get even more interesting.

So for active sbomber pilots the only negative impact is that after 5 minutes of being "in grid" enemy will know that you were in said grid 5 minutes ago.

But the benefits for AFK cloakers? Two types, those who orbit and those who move in straight line, the ones who sit still die to direct pinpoint warpins.

AFK cloaker who moves in orbit can be determined by 3 "pinpoints" that seem to form a circle, with that it's easy to either check the distance to object the person is orbiting and take ceptor/just sit and wait for the afker to finish his orbit as he will return to spot a.

Direct line moving afk cloaker? Once you have a, b and c as locations "where the ship was" you can just take faster ship and burn in direct line determined by those spots, you'll catch him.

Cloaking macros without covop cloaks that move slowly? Will die horribly, truly horribly unless they logoff/start to warp between SS's.

This ofc requires eve to start keeping score where cloaking ships were x minutes ago, which increases server db load, hence CCP will most likely implement something that will be more horrible (provides direct warpin to cloaked ship/makes it targetable in grid.)

They don't need to know where on grid we are, just that we are there. The moment they see the cloaked ship was here 5 min ago message, they'll reorganize their fleet to easily tackle and kill any bombers that decloaks.

What a bomber do is wait for the enemies to relax and do some kind of error. If they get remainded every 5th minute that someone is there hunting them, that will never happend.

Also highlight + ctrl c your post before posting ^^

oh yea I need to add figures.... 60,000 people know this.