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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:53:00 -
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I know this should be in ideas and discussion - hell, I have even commented on the number of stupid ideas posted here in GD, well here is my own regarding Destructible Stations:
After a station has been run through the reinforce cycles and structure has been completed the individual who has scored the most damage through all 3 cycles could be given cycle options:
Option A: Destroy all (another cycle to grind through maybee?)
Option B: Transfer ownership (as now)
Option C: Hanger cycles
Options A and B are pretty self explanatory. Option C: Individuals hangers are dropped in "cans" with a small/moderate amount of hit points, lets say 50000, once they are cycled through some of the "loot" randomly drops and the rest is destroyed.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
243
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:55:00 -
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Jita Alt666
867
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:56:00 -
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the best possible first reply.
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Ioci
Space Mermaids
58
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:56:00 -
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We should test it on Jita IV 4 |
Cyprus Black
Tears of Redemption
NEM3SIS.
126
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Posted - 2012.01.19 00:27:00 -
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If CCP ever implemented a change to outposts where my stuff contained inside could be destroyed or lost, I would leave null sec and never return. It's a horrible game mechanic that should NEVER see the light of day.
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Colonial Burton
0verload.
Rolling Thunder.
3
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:21:00 -
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I'm all for this idea. I mean, look at 0.0 currently. A new station is deployed each week. Back in 2008 you could roam through Vale of the Silent and you'd only come accross a couple of stations, now there is a station in half of the systems in that region. Soon they're going to be completely filled with stations and there will be no further use for station construction.
Once a station is deployed, it is a permanent fixture. What if the new residents want a different station in that system? What if they want a Minmatar Refinery but there is a useless Caldari Research outpost? It cannot be changed. Unless they become destructable! |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:25:00 -
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Colonial Burton wrote:I'm all for this idea. I mean, look at 0.0 currently. A new station is deployed each week. Back in 2008 you could roam through Vale of the Silent and you'd only come accross a couple of stations, now there is a station in half of the systems in that region. Soon they're going to be completely filled with stations and there will be no further use for station construction.
Once a station is deployed, it is a permanent fixture. What if the new residents want a different station in that system? What if they want a Minmatar Refinery but there is a useless Caldari Research outpost? It cannot be changed. Unless they become destructable!
Unless of course, the rules were altered to allow 1 Outpost per X planets....
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tikktokk tokkzikk
Glorious Revolution
The 99 Percent
9
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:27:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:If CCP ever implemented a change to outposts where my stuff contained inside could be destroyed or lost, I would leave null sec and never return. It's a horrible game mechanic that should NEVER see the light of day.
someone suggested that the station could leave a permanent wreck where you could loot your own stuff. |
Intar Medris
Globaltech Industries
Sanctuary Pact
27
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:29:00 -
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Elessa Enaka wrote:Colonial Burton wrote:I'm all for this idea. I mean, look at 0.0 currently. A new station is deployed each week. Back in 2008 you could roam through Vale of the Silent and you'd only come accross a couple of stations, now there is a station in half of the systems in that region. Soon they're going to be completely filled with stations and there will be no further use for station construction.
Once a station is deployed, it is a permanent fixture. What if the new residents want a different station in that system? What if they want a Minmatar Refinery but there is a useless Caldari Research outpost? It cannot be changed. Unless they become destructable! Unless of course, the rules were altered to allow 1 Outpost per X planets....
Perhaps the best Idea int this thread. If empire can have a station at every moon why not null.
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Caladan Rake
The Resident Haunting
Important Internet Spaceship League
0
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:35:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:If CCP ever implemented a change to outposts where my stuff contained inside could be destroyed or lost, I would leave null sec and never return. It's a horrible game mechanic that should NEVER see the light of day.
Tears.
Okay but seriously, am I the only one who thinks that blowing up a station, and having all the **** inside lost (or at least some loot dropped as per current mechanics) is a great idea and wish it would be done? (I know it never will be because too many people would whine about 'ZOMG THIS GAME IS TOO REALISTIC STUFF CAN BE BLOWN UP IM NOT SAFE' etc etc.
I dunno, maybe it's too realistic for most, and they're scared of actually losing their ****. Personally I think it would be awesome an add a touch more realism to EVE, which is something we've always liked. Who would prefer EVE without scams and non-consensual pvp? |
T' Elk
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
277
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Posted - 2012.01.19 02:33:00 -
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NOPE.
God wears-áRay Ban Aviators. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
784
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Posted - 2012.01.19 02:35:00 -
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Not empty quoting |
Progray
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2012.01.19 03:19:00 -
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I dont think that station destruction should ever be given into players hands, i havent given it much thought but implementing this idea will badly harm the whole balance of null sec and the game itself, not to mention that it would be virtually impossible to buy anything in there and the prices will skyrocket (in nullsec that is), overcrowded high sec, huge chunk of players will move into low sec and NPC space and conquerable null sec will be more or less deserted. Imagine a strong alliance with a nutjob leader who will have an agenda to "purify" 0.0, you cant rule this kind of things out, ever, and so to conclude, leaving this for players to deside would be rather wrong and fatal. |
Krios Ahzek
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
425
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Posted - 2012.01.19 03:48:00 -
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All docked ships wrecked, all loot wrecked or dropped (same chance as when a ship dies)
TADAM! Now war pays.
Let the galaxy burn
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Atticus Lowa
Lowa Corp Industries and Security
5
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Posted - 2012.01.19 03:53:00 -
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Intar Medris wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Colonial Burton wrote:I'm all for this idea. I mean, look at 0.0 currently. A new station is deployed each week. Back in 2008 you could roam through Vale of the Silent and you'd only come accross a couple of stations, now there is a station in half of the systems in that region. Soon they're going to be completely filled with stations and there will be no further use for station construction.
Once a station is deployed, it is a permanent fixture. What if the new residents want a different station in that system? What if they want a Minmatar Refinery but there is a useless Caldari Research outpost? It cannot be changed. Unless they become destructable! Unless of course, the rules were altered to allow 1 Outpost per X planets.... Perhaps the best Idea int this thread. If empire can have a station at every moon why not null.
cool idea, maybe you need strategic upgrades to allow for more outposts... but yeh maybe an option to recycle outposts at least?
there its the corp/alliance's decision, and anyone who owns stuff there is liable to the rulership of the owner anyways... |
Zleon Leigh
63
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Posted - 2012.01.19 03:54:00 -
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Progray wrote:
Imagine a strong alliance with a nutjob leader
Krios Ahzek wrote:All docked ships wrecked, all loot wrecked or dropped (same chance as when a ship dies)
TADAM! Now war pays.
Let the galaxy burn
And he steps up....
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Krios Ahzek
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
425
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Posted - 2012.01.19 03:56:00 -
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Zleon Leigh wrote:Progray wrote:
Imagine a strong alliance with a nutjob leader
Krios Ahzek wrote:All docked ships wrecked, all loot wrecked or dropped (same chance as when a ship dies)
TADAM! Now war pays.
Let the galaxy burn And he steps up....
I am indeed the leader of the space alliance known as ''Amarr Empire''
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Atticus Lowa
Lowa Corp Industries and Security
5
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Posted - 2012.01.19 03:59:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:Progray wrote:
Imagine a strong alliance with a nutjob leader
Krios Ahzek wrote:All docked ships wrecked, all loot wrecked or dropped (same chance as when a ship dies)
TADAM! Now war pays.
Let the galaxy burn And he steps up.... I am indeed the leader of the space alliance known as ''Amarr Empire''
in other news the emperrawress jamyl sues krios for copyright infringement  |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:12:00 -
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Atticus Lowa wrote:Intar Medris wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Colonial Burton wrote:I'm all for this idea. I mean, look at 0.0 currently. A new station is deployed each week. Back in 2008 you could roam through Vale of the Silent and you'd only come accross a couple of stations, now there is a station in half of the systems in that region. Soon they're going to be completely filled with stations and there will be no further use for station construction.
Once a station is deployed, it is a permanent fixture. What if the new residents want a different station in that system? What if they want a Minmatar Refinery but there is a useless Caldari Research outpost? It cannot be changed. Unless they become destructable! Unless of course, the rules were altered to allow 1 Outpost per X planets.... Perhaps the best Idea int this thread. If empire can have a station at every moon why not null. cool idea, maybe you need strategic upgrades to allow for more outposts... but yeh maybe an option to recycle outposts at least? there its the corp/alliance's decision, and anyone who owns stuff there is liable to the rulership of the owner anyways...
Why would strategic upgrades dictate how many industrial outposts I could plop down in a system? I think it would be better if it was just 1 outpost per 4 planets or whatever number CCP decided worked best.
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Hired Assasin
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
33
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:12:00 -
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Atticus Lowa wrote:Intar Medris wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Colonial Burton wrote:I'm all for this idea. I mean, look at 0.0 currently. A new station is deployed each week. Back in 2008 you could roam through Vale of the Silent and you'd only come accross a couple of stations, now there is a station in half of the systems in that region. Soon they're going to be completely filled with stations and there will be no further use for station construction.
Once a station is deployed, it is a permanent fixture. What if the new residents want a different station in that system? What if they want a Minmatar Refinery but there is a useless Caldari Research outpost? It cannot be changed. Unless they become destructable! Unless of course, the rules were altered to allow 1 Outpost per X planets.... Perhaps the best Idea int this thread. If empire can have a station at every moon why not null. cool idea, maybe you need strategic upgrades to allow for more outposts... but yeh maybe an option to recycle outposts at least? there its the corp/alliance's decision, and anyone who owns stuff there is liable to the rulership of the owner anyways...
and then 1 director gets pissed of and recycles their main home system station losing trillions of worth assests
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:18:00 -
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Sniping a station out from under someone would be hilarious.
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Elessa Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:19:00 -
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Hired Assasin wrote:Atticus Lowa wrote:Intar Medris wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Colonial Burton wrote:I'm all for this idea. I mean, look at 0.0 currently. A new station is deployed each week. Back in 2008 you could roam through Vale of the Silent and you'd only come accross a couple of stations, now there is a station in half of the systems in that region. Soon they're going to be completely filled with stations and there will be no further use for station construction.
Once a station is deployed, it is a permanent fixture. What if the new residents want a different station in that system? What if they want a Minmatar Refinery but there is a useless Caldari Research outpost? It cannot be changed. Unless they become destructable! Unless of course, the rules were altered to allow 1 Outpost per X planets.... Perhaps the best Idea int this thread. If empire can have a station at every moon why not null. cool idea, maybe you need strategic upgrades to allow for more outposts... but yeh maybe an option to recycle outposts at least? there its the corp/alliance's decision, and anyone who owns stuff there is liable to the rulership of the owner anyways... and then 1 director gets pissed of and recycles their main home system station losing trillions of worth assests
TBH, the tears that would cause on the forums would be both hilarious and priceless
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Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
SRS.
136
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:42:00 -
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I love this totally brand new idea!
Seriously though, it's getting too much, there should be far fewer stations in nullsec than there are now and its getting worse all the time. The whole system needs to be replaced with a new modular system that encompasses both stations and pos's, adds an ACL right system, more options, and more ways for smaller gangs to harass enemy targets.
Why should there be tears though seriously? Even now it's a bad idea to keep all your assets in a nullsec station as if you loose control of it you would have to firesale or reconquer to get any value back out. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
70
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:55:00 -
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I don't see what all the tears are for, titans cost just as much if not more to produce and yet can die faster than stations if its to do with monetary gain. There's reinforced timers in place to give adequate time in order to get stuff out of a dying station but perhaps extend the timers total by another day in order to not make it too easy to take down  , make alliances work for the stations they live in rather than grind one out from the last person who owned it. |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:02:00 -
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Elessa Enaka wrote:Hired Assasin wrote:Atticus Lowa wrote:Intar Medris wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Unless of course, the rules were altered to allow 1 Outpost per X planets.... Perhaps the best Idea int this thread. If empire can have a station at every moon why not null. cool idea, maybe you need strategic upgrades to allow for more outposts... but yeh maybe an option to recycle outposts at least? there its the corp/alliance's decision, and anyone who owns stuff there is liable to the rulership of the owner anyways... and then 1 director gets pissed of and recycles their main home system station losing trillions of worth assests TBH, the tears that would cause on the forums would be both hilarious and priceless
The bolded and underlined part is what I would assume would cause tears, since it would be totally unexpected and likely to occur without a single shot fired or potentially not even at a time of war.
That-- is why tears would be had.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
227
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:03:00 -
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seany1212 wrote: make alliances work for the stations they live in rather than grind one out from the last person who owned it. lol wut |
seany1212
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
70
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:58:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:seany1212 wrote: make alliances work for the stations they live in rather than grind one out from the last person who owned it. lol wut
you know, that thing other than sitting 50 titans on a station until it hits reinforced or you capture it... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1130
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:29:00 -
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Destructable stations - make it so.
I look forward to a day when everybody has to be nomadic.
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Valei Khurelem
180
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:40:00 -
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You know what? I immediately thought this would be an awful idea since no one in 0.0 space would be able to dock if they're up against a vastly superior force.
However, this would actually send gankers running back to high sec and would make gatecamping by people who just want to gank solo players fruitless, why? It would mean whenever people try to fight back they wouldn't be able to immediately warp away and station dock if you chase after them. I do think though that for the sake of game replayability high sec should remain the same, but if 0.0 space stations can be destroyed, even NPC ones, you should have them on a reasonably fast respawn time, say half an hour or an hour.
One thing you could also do with this is take inspiration from Freelancer, that game had it where you could blow up storage canisters next to a factions station and you could grab the loot and make a run for it, I think something similar should be put in or when you blow up the station you have typical jet can cargo containers filled with whatever items per player that they were carrying.
This is actually a brilliant idea that would make 0.0 alliances feel a lot less safe if they're on the receiving end of an attack, it would also mean that them hoarding tons of ships would be absolutely useless if you could just come and wreck it all. This is going to be far more damaging to gankers and 0.0 alliances than anyone else so I really approve of this. You would also have a way to damage their infrastructure because if you can make a hit and run attack on one of their stations and steal their ships then they'll have a lot less to hit you back with.
Now if only we could turn this around so EVE has equal PvP that isn't just a giant rock/paper/scissors game then it would be perfect.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
139
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:50:00 -
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Destroying outposts is one thing, destroying npc stations is quite another.
There should be a mechanism to destroy outposts but not npc stations.
There are significantly greater rewards from sov null when compared to npc null, there should be significantly greater risks. At the moment the risk is limited to losing sov - it should be significantly greater than that, or the rewards should be significantly less.
Make npc stations destructable and you may as well remove all npc null and turn it to sov. |
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