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MirrorGod Heretic Army Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.12 19:52:00 - [91] Edited by: MirrorGod on 12/09/2007 20:00:02 Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 Ok this ** has to stop now. All you *** noobs crying about low sec Motherships. HAVE YOU EVEN EVER *** FOUGHT ONE?? AT THE LEAST SEEN ONE!? Probably not. Well i have, on many occasions thanks to a pirate with to much isk. They are NOT invincible, and the ONLY targets that fall pray to them are NOOBS. A SIMPLY scout will keep you alive. If one sticks around for a fight ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BRING ONE OR TWO DREADS AND HE WILL GTFO BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU CAN KILL HIM + TACKLE HIM + BUMP HIM WITH SHIPS TO KEEP HIM DOWN. In 0.0 Motherships are dying a lot easier thanks to you noobs *ing and crying. Jump your MS, BOOM you get interdictor bubble spam... Why the would anyone bring a 40-50 billion isk asset if they KNOW noobs can keep them stuck in one place and slowly chew on their shield/armor until they pop? Well its to late for 0.0, the cry baby noobs won. So *** stop about low sec. NOT HAPPY? GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME. EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Carriers and Motherships are not omfgl33tmobiles, far from it. Just because they are tougher to kill doesn't mean they need to be nerf, it means YOU need to ***** do more work to kill it dumbasses. /Fking signed.
Centinel 6 Amarr The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.09.12 21:42:00 - [92] Hello guys, I think D2 and MM can vouch that our corp has had our "share" of MoMs droped on us during a fight. Yeah, it gets sticky in low sec fighting a MoM, yeah everyone is slamming on the warp buttons at the same time. But thats just the way it is. You take chances. And if your a pirate (IMO) you dont have much room to complain. If you get ganked warpin into a MOM then you didnt do your homework before your warp. I dont believe they should be nerf'd due to "carebear complaints". I dont own a MOM (yet) but I would hate for someone to nerf my ship because someone else cant cope with a loss (or number of losses). And NO, you cant tank a damn MOM in a T2 BS, unwillingly I've tryed. C6 Quote: A Dagger In The Night Is Worth A 1000 Swords At Dawn
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.12 22:49:00 - [93] Motherships cannot be killed in lowsec because there is nothing to stop them from cynoing or warping out. You might wanna ask RISE how well attacking a mothership with just 20 battleships and support works; they did so just the other day to one of ours and got horribly mangled. Originally by: Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Hyuuga Veralis Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.09.13 00:49:00 - [94] Originally by: Icome4u EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. -------------- Fulfilling 0.0 Ammo needs since 2 days after being made.
Hyuuga Veralis Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.09.13 00:53:00 - [95] Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Marcathonas Edited by: Marcathonas on 11/09/2007 21:09:38 Icome, you're flat out lying. A mothership does 3000 dps. A fully estamel fit crystal maelstrom at max skills tanks 4500. A t2 fit dominix w/rigs tanks 1200. A drake tanks slightly less. Shut up, get out of the thread. Naturally it takes an idiot to die to an MS given they're sluggish and huge, but you can't even come close to tanking one in any t2 fit ship, so don't pretend you can. It is true i haven't flown a ship smaller than capital and supercapital in a good 5 month but the game hasn't change enough to many my statement false. So cry a bit more, and go try and nerf something else. Motherships are fine, they got nerf more than enough thanks to the EVE noobs. If you die in low sec vs a mothership then simply quit the game and go play WoW where you can rez. A fighter does around 250-350dmg. They ONLY shoot every 6.38 seconds unlike drones who shoot A LOT faster. Even with 20 or 25 of those buggers you aren't doing uber damage. If you lose your beautiful tier 3 t2 tank BS to a MS, then its really time to quit the game. 2-3k DPS isn't uber damage? -------------- Fulfilling 0.0 Ammo needs since 2 days after being made.
Captian Internet Lead Bricks	Posted - 2007.09.13 04:40:00 - [96] The ability to run away at any given moment for only 30bill hot dawg! gg ccp seriously sit on gate f1-f6 if fleet appears Cyno if thread made about your ms or future ms type in caps about noobs and whiners Local Thread 107-b,War ,Navigation Shortcuts
Malarki X Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.09.13 08:29:00 - [97] I can see it now - Titans camping MoMs in low sec Sorry - had to do it
A'tarius Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.13 09:54:00 - [98] I'd like to see a solo (without remote tank-support) battleship tank my Nyx for longer then 60s. I'd wish them good luck and thank them for their faction loot as thats what you'd need to get even close. If you think a T2 Tier 3 BS can tank it, show me a setup which can tank 2250 dps (which according to EFT my Nyx puts out, Fighters 4 and Carrier 5). Saying that I can think of some faction / officer setups which could perhaps do it. With that said, I do actually think there are ways to kill a MS in lowsec but it just requires a LOT of planning and a several caps and a few neut-bs. Bumping isnt that good, what I'd personally do is build a wall of cyno's & dreads. Put a BS in front of it and open a cyno. It can bump the BS away but it'll have to turn to get around the cyno. So drop a couple of cyno's and dreads in siege on his arse and it will go down as it cant warp off (and the neut-bs should stop it from jumping). Assuming its a Nyx it'll tank a max of about 5000-6000dps, if its an Aeon it'll do max 9000dps. All of which will be broken fast by +10 dreads. Assuming 2500dps per close-range dread in siege, and the dreads will hit hard since the last patch (my Nyx having an 11-12km sig radius). Note, if you use the dreads as 'anti-warp' make sure you dont drop any gun dreads on him at 0m as they wont hit then. Requires planning? Yes. Impossible? No.
bornaa	Posted - 2007.09.13 11:03:00 - [99] icome4you you just came out like a frustrated ** that gets overworked by internet spaceships. show some manners and maby your words will have some value. at the moment everyone is just looking at you as an frustrated **** **ing away on his mothership wich seems like pride and joy of his life since he gets so worked over it.
Hammerfall Ceo Caldari Hammerfall Industries	Posted - 2007.09.13 11:45:00 - [100] Edited by: Hammerfall Ceo on 13/09/2007 11:45:52 lol yea that should be banned
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.15 22:01:00 - [101] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 Ok this ** has to stop now. All you *** noobs crying about low sec Motherships. HAVE YOU EVEN EVER *** FOUGHT ONE?? AT THE LEAST SEEN ONE!? Probably not. Well i have, on many occasions thanks to a pirate with to much isk. They are NOT invincible, and the ONLY targets that fall pray to them are NOOBS. A SIMPLY scout will keep you alive. If one sticks around for a fight ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BRING ONE OR TWO DREADS AND HE WILL GTFO BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU CAN KILL HIM + TACKLE HIM + BUMP HIM WITH SHIPS TO KEEP HIM DOWN. In 0.0 Motherships are dying a lot easier thanks to you noobs *ing and crying. Jump your MS, BOOM you get interdictor bubble spam... Why the would anyone bring a 40-50 billion isk asset if they KNOW noobs can keep them stuck in one place and slowly chew on their shield/armor until they pop? Well its to late for 0.0, the cry baby noobs won. So *** stop about low sec. NOT HAPPY? GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME. EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Carriers and Motherships are not omfgl33tmobiles, far from it. Just because they are tougher to kill doesn't mean they need to be nerf, it means YOU need to ***** do more work to kill it dumbasses. I'm gonna quote this so that when future generations want to laugh at you, you can't delete it Originally by:** Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Flowerpot Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.16 10:46:00 - [102] Another solution maybe to stop smart bombs being fitted to carriers so to force them to become part of a fleet. Maybe on safety grounds ? Its not like carriers or supercariers are defenceless with umpteen drones etc. This would also create moer risk for people who take out a carrier for a spin without a fleet. Wasn't this what they were for - to reinforce a fleet ? Not be a solo pwnmobile ....
zilllii	Posted - 2007.09.16 11:29:00 - [103] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Motherships cannot be killed in lowsec because there is nothing to stop them from cynoing or warping out. You might wanna ask RISE how well attacking a mothership with just 20 battleships and support works; they did so just the other day to one of ours and got horribly mangled. attacking a 25bill asset with 2bill assets isnt equal to success and should never be
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.16 11:41:00 - [104] Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 11:41:47 Originally by: Icome4u EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Can a Tier 3 BS tank 3125 dps? I have seen an officer fit vindicator with good skills. He only tanked 1200dps.
lyrenna Caldari The Renaissance The Makhai	Posted - 2007.09.16 11:47:00 - [105] Originally by: zilllii Originally by: Berrik Radhok Motherships cannot be killed in lowsec because there is nothing to stop them from cynoing or warping out. You might wanna ask RISE how well attacking a mothership with just 20 battleships and support works; they did so just the other day to one of ours and got horribly mangled. attacking a 25bill asset with 2bill assets isnt equal to success and should never be so a golden magnet or a state/federate/tribal/pokemon issue bs must be invincible PS: USE CAPS SO ITS COOL LIKE SUBER CAPS. infected sig, stay away!
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.16 12:40:00 - [106] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Ok now I aint bothered about the low sec motherships, havent encountered any anyway. But this quote is quite wrong. A maxed out Nyx for example will do 2500 dps from a mix of fighters. Almost 3K dps with 2 control units and mostly firblorgs. If my Maelstrom cant tank it, I dunno what will. It would have to be a seriously sick tank on a tier 3 BS to tank that much, it would have to be a maxed out, faction officer Maelstrom with Crystals..And I'd have to count on no neutralizers on me.
Julianis Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.16 14:47:00 - [107] My solution to is quite easy: add capital scramblers. Modules which can be fitted only on capital ships. If you want to play with your supercapital in lowsec, let other supercapital pilots play with you ;)
Khadur Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.16 16:23:00 - [108] Skillz
Elliott Manchild omen.	Posted - 2007.09.16 19:52:00 - [109] Originally by: Templer Relleg Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 11:41:47 Originally by: Icome4u EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Can a Tier 3 BS tank 3125 dps? I have seen an officer fit vindicator with good skills. He only tanked 1200dps. Where you get 3125 dps from? My nyx has carrier 5 and fihgters 5 and i only do 2500 =[ And ive not seen anything non capital even come close to tanking it.
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.09.17 00:37:00 - [110] Originally by: Templer Relleg Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 11:41:47 Originally by: Icome4u EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Can a Tier 3 BS tank 3125 dps? I have seen an officer fit vindicator with good skills. He only tanked 1200dps. I tried tanking 6 sentry guns (1056 dps) in a fully rigged Rokh with my bad shield tanking skills and bad caldari bs skills for around 3 minutes before having to warp. You need an officer fit + repping + someone dropping cap charges to tank for a while. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Captian Internet Lead Bricks	Posted - 2007.09.17 03:32:00 - [111] Originally by: Elliott Manchild Originally by: Templer Relleg Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 11:41:47 Originally by: Icome4u EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Can a Tier 3 BS tank 3125 dps? I have seen an officer fit vindicator with good skills. He only tanked 1200dps. Where you get 3125 dps from? My nyx has carrier 5 and fihgters 5 and i only do 2500 =[ And ive not seen anything non capital even come close to tanking it. All lvl V with the highs filled with Drone Control Units Changes to Local,War ,Navigation Shortcuts
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.17 07:39:00 - [112] Originally by: Captian Internet Originally by: Elliott Manchild Originally by: Templer Relleg Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 11:41:47 Originally by: Icome4u EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Can a Tier 3 BS tank 3125 dps? I have seen an officer fit vindicator with good skills. He only tanked 1200dps. Where you get 3125 dps from? My nyx has carrier 5 and fihgters 5 and i only do 2500 =[ And ive not seen anything non capital even come close to tanking it. All lvl V with the highs filled with Drone Control Units As he said. Its the figures that EFT gave me.
Pixelshader Gallente Astral Descendants	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:00:00 - [113] As super-caps can't be scrambled or held in place with traditinal equipment in low-sec, (without having to resort to some shady game mechanics i.e bumping) limiting them to 0.0 space actually makes sense to me. Although I can see why the people who has invested in these monsters might be of a different opinion.
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:44:00 - [114] +7x Dracila CPR +5x Dracila Cap Recharger =12.3 seconds Capacitor recharge time Try to Neut that. Killing that thing with reasonable numbers is not possible and an attempt would probably crash an unreinforced node. You're gonna need 141 (T2/Unstable) Heavy Energy Neutralizers to nuke it all away at once but it's gonna be back in 12.3 seconds, you could try getting more neutralizers to keep it at 0 cap but that would take 660 neutralizers. Naturally the number is lower if your goal is to just keep it from cynoing but I don't know the cap recharge function to get the amount of neutralizers required to keep it just below cynoing cap. Yes, I'm aware that the modules cost craploads of ISK but that setup is just imbalanced. It's basically like WCS, you keep all your firepower and sacrifice your tank to be able to run from nearly everything. No, I've never flown one and I've never lost a ship to one on TQ aswell.
omiNATION	Posted - 2007.09.19 06:42:00 - [115] Originally by: zilllii Originally by: Berrik Radhok Motherships cannot be killed in lowsec because there is nothing to stop them from cynoing or warping out. You might wanna ask RISE how well attacking a mothership with just 20 battleships and support works; they did so just the other day to one of ours and got horribly mangled. attacking a 25bill asset with 2bill assets isnt equal to success and should never be Riiiiight because you need 500 frigates to take down a BS?
omiNATION	Posted - 2007.09.19 06:44:00 - [116] Originally by: Julianis Edited by: Julianis on 16/09/2007 14:58:30 My solution is quite easy: add capital scramblers. Modules which can be fitted only on capital ships. If you want to play with your supercapital in lowsec, let other supercapital pilots play with you ;) This... most definitely.
gordon cain Minmatar x13	Posted - 2007.09.19 06:54:00 - [117] Originally by: Cpt Placeholder +7x Dracila CPR +5x Dracila Cap Recharger =12.3 seconds Capacitor recharge time Try to Neut that. Killing that thing with reasonable numbers is not possible and an attempt would probably crash an unreinforced node. You're gonna need 141 (T2/Unstable) Heavy Energy Neutralizers to nuke it all away at once but it's gonna be back in 12.3 seconds, you could try getting more neutralizers to keep it at 0 cap but that would take 660 neutralizers. Naturally the number is lower if your goal is to just keep it from cynoing but I don't know the cap recharge function to get the amount of neutralizers required to keep it just below cynoing cap. Yes, I'm aware that the modules cost craploads of ISK but that setup is just imbalanced. It's basically like WCS, you keep all your firepower and sacrifice your tank to be able to run from nearly everything. No, I've never flown one and I've never lost a ship to one on TQ aswell. Maybe thats because you sit in station all day and think off setups like that. That is so unrealisticly its not even funny. Think ffs. No one in MS is using setup like that. Sometimes I wish that EFT just shuts down when trying to do that kind of setups. gordon cain "Allways remember. Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience"
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2007.09.19 10:13:00 - [118] Originally by: gordon cain Maybe thats because you sit in station all day and think off setups like that. That is so unrealisticly its not even funny. Think ffs. No one in MS is using setup like that. Sometimes I wish that EFT just shuts down when trying to do that kind of setups. gordon cain Maybe you need to sit in a station all day to come up with a similar setup but I did not. No one is does not mean no one can. Well I guess setups aren't imbalanced unless the majority uses them. By the way, you might want to check the spelling in your signature.
gordon cain Minmatar x13	Posted - 2007.09.19 10:38:00 - [119] Originally by: Cpt Placeholder Originally by: gordon cain Maybe thats because you sit in station all day and think off setups like that. That is so unrealisticly its not even funny. Think ffs. No one in MS is using setup like that. Sometimes I wish that EFT just shuts down when trying to do that kind of setups. gordon cain Maybe you need to sit in a station all day to come up with a similar setup but I did not. No one is does not mean no one can. Well I guess setups aren't imbalanced unless the majority uses them. By the way, you might want to check the spelling in your signature. No need. You read it and thats fine with me. What I meant was that draclira setup with 12 sec cap recharge time is a setup that nobody in eve would ever use. Its all fine on paper but in reality that will hinder your ability to do basically anything else. And since no one will most likely use it, it cannot be used as an argument that MS cant be taken down in Empire. Gordon Cain "Allways remember. Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience"
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2007.09.19 11:09:00 - [120] Well why not use that setup to camp a gate with smartbombs and 2 logistics ships ? What would be so bad about it ? Worst case scenario would be losing your logistics support, you could always cyno out. Maybe add a Rapier to hold down battleships.

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