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Shi Lang	Posted - 2007.09.11 19:15:00 - [1] so if you have a mothership loaded with smart bombs insta popping everything that comes through ie Rancer is there a flaw in this plan? What balances out a gate camp that if something were to go wrong the entire gank platoon gets wiped out?
iiOs Evil Things	Posted - 2007.09.11 19:19:00 - [2] you can instapop frigs and noob cruisers and probobly destrpying loot with sb's and you cant die but i realy think ccp going to do something with invinsible cariers in low sec ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
Shi Lang	Posted - 2007.09.11 19:28:00 - [3] wait what? Motherships cant die literally or figuratively?
iiOs Evil Things	Posted - 2007.09.11 19:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Shi Lang wait what? Motherships cant die literally or figuratively? EW doesnt work on MS, therefor you cant scramble it and you cant use bubbles in low sec, there for MS can jump out when it feel like it ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
Shi Lang	Posted - 2007.09.11 19:32:00 - [5] that makes sense, you can still chase it off at the very least though.
Jovoich Infragilis Conventio Corp. Ethereal Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:08:00 - [6] lol, i wish you the best of luck trying to chase one off. Unless you have a ton of cap ships urself
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:27:00 - [7] Edited by: Arvald on 11/09/2007 20:26:55 Originally by: Jovoich lol, i wish you the best of luck trying to chase one off. Unless you have a ton of cap ships urself 20 bs with neuts can do it EDIT: oh wait mothership nvm ya cant stop the rokh Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Next week's Eve news headlines... "BoB owns everything!!! Everyone, get out!"
Faekurias Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 11/09/2007 20:26:55 Originally by: Jovoich lol, i wish you the best of luck trying to chase one off. Unless you have a ton of cap ships urself 20 bs with neuts can do it EDIT: oh wait mothership nvm And on sidenote - that's as likely as Bush getting a boner.
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:39:00 - [9] Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 Ok this ** has to stop now. All you *** noobs crying about low sec Motherships. HAVE YOU EVEN EVER *** FOUGHT ONE?? AT THE LEAST SEEN ONE!? Probably not. Well i have, on many occasions thanks to a pirate with to much isk. They are NOT invincible, and the ONLY targets that fall pray to them are NOOBS. A SIMPLY scout will keep you alive. If one sticks around for a fight ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BRING ONE OR TWO DREADS AND HE WILL GTFO BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU CAN KILL HIM + TACKLE HIM + BUMP HIM WITH SHIPS TO KEEP HIM DOWN. In 0.0 Motherships are dying a lot easier thanks to you noobs *ing and crying. Jump your MS, BOOM you get interdictor bubble spam... Why the would anyone bring a 40-50 billion isk asset if they KNOW noobs can keep them stuck in one place and slowly chew on their shield/armor until they pop? Well its to late for 0.0, the cry baby noobs won. So *** stop about low sec. NOT HAPPY? GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME. EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Carriers and Motherships are not omfgl33tmobiles, far from it. Just because they are tougher to kill doesn't mean they need to be nerf, it means YOU need to ***** do more work to kill it dumbasses. ______ Originally by:** Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Erikel Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Faekurias Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 11/09/2007 20:26:55 Originally by: Jovoich lol, i wish you the best of luck trying to chase one off. Unless you have a ton of cap ships urself 20 bs with neuts can do it EDIT: oh wait mothership nvm And on sidenote - that's as likely as Bush getting a boner. On another sidenote, look what happens when you have a president that can get a boner.
LemonHamster	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME.. Please, please do, you uninformed ** Show me ONE goddamn hyperion/abaddon/rokh/maelstrom fit that can tank between 2k-3.1k dps (20 fighters on a maxed out wyvern v 25 fighters on a maxed out nyx respectively). One. ***** idiot. _____________ NYAH ^_^
Ferkimer Burns	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:48:00 - [12] Of course they can die in low sec. Key is to have your capitals waiting where the Mothership jumps TO.
Shi Lang	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:52:00 - [13] I hope your not referring to me, I am asking out of curiosity.
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:55:00 - [14] Originally by: LemonHamster Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME.. Please, please do, you uninformed ** Show me ONE goddamn hyperion/abaddon/rokh/maelstrom fit that can tank between 2k-3.1k dps (20 fighters on a maxed out wyvern v 25 fighters on a maxed out nyx respectively). One. *** idiot. If you don't know then you deserve to die. I have NEVER lost my Rokh to fighters spam from a Mothership. NEVER. Go play with your third party tools and figure it out yourself, i'm not going to do it for you. Heck i'v had my Dominix tank 2 Thanatos EASILY. With a good 20+ fighters on me. Only dumbasses and noobs die in big ship vs carriers/motherships. ______ Originally by:** Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Faekurias Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Erikel Originally by: Faekurias Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 11/09/2007 20:26:55 Originally by: Jovoich lol, i wish you the best of luck trying to chase one off. Unless you have a ton of cap ships urself 20 bs with neuts can do it EDIT: oh wait mothership nvm And on sidenote - that's as likely as Bush getting a boner. On another sidenote, look what happens when you have a president that can get a boner. Pic doesnt work :/ Or was that your sig?:P
Marcathonas Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.09.11 21:02:00 - [16] Edited by: Marcathonas on 11/09/2007 21:09:38 Icome, you're flat out lying. A mothership does 3000 dps. A fully estamel fit crystal maelstrom at max skills tanks 4500. A t2 fit dominix w/rigs tanks 1200. A drake tanks slightly less. Shut up, get out of the thread. Naturally it takes an idiot to die to an MS given they're sluggish and huge, but you can't even come close to tanking one in any t2 fit ship, so don't pretend you can.
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.09.11 21:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Marcathonas Edited by: Marcathonas on 11/09/2007 21:09:38 Icome, you're flat out lying. A mothership does 3000 dps. A fully estamel fit crystal maelstrom at max skills tanks 4500. A t2 fit dominix w/rigs tanks 1200. A drake tanks slightly less. Shut up, get out of the thread. Naturally it takes an idiot to die to an MS given they're sluggish and huge, but you can't even come close to tanking one in any t2 fit ship, so don't pretend you can. It is true i haven't flown a ship smaller than capital and supercapital in a good 5 month but the game hasn't change enough to many my statement false. So cry a bit more, and go try and nerf something else. Motherships are fine, they got nerf more than enough thanks to the EVE noobs. If you die in low sec vs a mothership then simply quit the game and go play WoW where you can rez. A fighter does around 250-350dmg. They ONLY shoot every 6.38 seconds unlike drones who shoot A LOT faster. Even with 20 or 25 of those buggers you aren't doing uber damage. If you lose your beautiful tier 3 t2 tank BS to a MS, then its really time to quit the game. ______ Originally by: Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Marcathonas Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.09.11 21:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Icome4u It is true i haven't flown a ship smaller than capital and supercapital in a good 5 month but the game hasn't change enough to many my statement false. So cry a bit more, and go try and nerf something else. Motherships are fine, they got nerf more than enough thanks to the EVE noobs. If you die in low sec vs a mothership then simply quit the game and go play WoW where you can rez. A fighter does around 250-350dmg. They ONLY shoot every 6.38 seconds unlike drones who shoot A LOT faster. Even with 20 or 25 of those buggers you aren't doing uber damage. If you lose your beautiful tier 3 t2 tank BS to a MS, then its really time to quit the game. No, I don't think you're paying any attention. I've never lost a ship to a mothership, and I've survived carrier fights plenty of times. A maxed out fighter does 100 DPS on a non-gallente carrier. That times 20 is 2000 dps. A nyx can reach 3000 with drone controls. I really don't care what you think or how hard you smack about carebears and WoW, you're lying because a t2 fit tier three or drake cannot tank a mothership. It's that simple. So please, get out of this thread, and find one where your garbage is less likely to be spotted. Once again: Your numbers are hideously wrong. Maxed out fighter = 100 dps or 125 on the nyx. Times that by twenty. That CAN NOT BE TANKED BY A BATTLESHIP. I'm don't even want MS to be nerfed btw, I'm just pointing out that you're lying through your teeth.
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.09.11 21:26:00 - [19] Oh and to the OP. Stop whining this is your third or forth whine thread. Got a MS problem? Hire people. Or just ***** leave, no one will miss you tbh. ______ Originally by:** Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Slayton Ford Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.09.11 21:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Icome4u Oh and to the OP. Stop whining this is your third or forth whine thread. Got a MS problem? Hire people. Or just ******* leave, no one will miss you tbh. Hire who? Name one corp that will go after a lowsec MS. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer...
Jovoich Infragilis Conventio Corp. Ethereal Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.11 21:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Marcathonas Edited by: Marcathonas on 11/09/2007 21:09:38 Icome, you're flat out lying. A mothership does 3000 dps. A fully estamel fit crystal maelstrom at max skills tanks 4500. A t2 fit dominix w/rigs tanks 1200. A drake tanks slightly less. Shut up, get out of the thread. Naturally it takes an idiot to die to an MS given they're sluggish and huge, but you can't even come close to tanking one in any t2 fit ship, so don't pretend you can. It is true i haven't flown a ship smaller than capital and supercapital in a good 5 month but the game hasn't change enough to many my statement false. So cry a bit more, and go try and nerf something else. Motherships are fine, they got nerf more than enough thanks to the EVE noobs. If you die in low sec vs a mothership then simply quit the game and go play WoW where you can rez. A fighter does around 250-350dmg. They ONLY shoot every 6.38 seconds unlike drones who shoot A LOT faster. Even with 20 or 25 of those buggers you aren't doing uber damage. If you lose your beautiful tier 3 t2 tank BS to a MS, then its really time to quit the game. Lol... your funny its amazing seeing how easy it is for someone to get so upset. Were MS 2 powerful b4 there little neft? Yes! Do I think MS need nefing again? No! I dont believe CCP ever intented a MS to camp low sec systems on the lookout for cheap kills but hay ho. I think the major subject of this topic was to find out how to get a low sec gate camping MS to move out or die. And the answer to that is, you cant unless you got a fleet of your own capital + a good sized support fleet.
Qolde Minmatar art of eve	Posted - 2007.09.11 21:47:00 - [22] It's a design flaw by CCP. The sentry guns favor pirates who bring in overkill setups. Sentry guns should scale their damage to the tank of the aggressor, according to the security rating of the system that the aggression takes place in. The mothership does not need to be nerfed. The sentry guns should leave smaller ships alone and BBQ larger ships like CONCORD does. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Baaldor Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.11 21:52:00 - [23] Have you ever noticed when a player comes up against something that they can not figure out or if they get butt hurt over it, it then becomes an issue of broken mechanics and its exploit? Now with time and experience that same player can overcome that obstacle, but I guess most are to impatient and they want it now. Now figuring out the DPS and such...has anyone factored in resists. Because I do know for a fact you can tank a DDD. And I know for a fact a Nighthawk can tank fighters from a carrier. Anybody..? THE PRIVIOUS VIEWS AND STATEMENTS DO NOT REPRESENT AND OR SUPPORTED BY THE MANY VOICES IN MY HEAD.
Marcathonas Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.09.11 21:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Baaldor Have you ever noticed when a player comes up against something that they can not figure out or if they get butt hurt over it, it then becomes an issue of broken mechanics and its exploit? Now with time and experience that same player can overcome that obstacle, but I guess most are to impatient and they want it now. Now figuring out the DPS and such...has anyone factored in resists. Because I do know for a fact you can tank a DDD. And I know for a fact a Nighthawk can tank fighters from a carrier. Anybody..? Carrier does less damage than a neutron gankthron. DDD is burst damage, you just need a large HP buffer. the 2000-3000 DPS figure is raw dps. DPS tanks are worked out by multiplying HP recovered per second by the factor of damage reduction due to resists. A 1200 dominix tank, for example, reps around 230 a second and has resists around 80%+. The ONLY way you can tank a maxed out mothership with 20 fighters is by using faction/officer gear. The only way to tank a maxed out Nyx with DCUs is to do the above, with crystals. T2 fit ships do not tank motherships, regardless of what icome4u seems to think.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 I CAN TYPE UTILIZING A CLEVER BLEND OF CAPITAL LETTERS AND ACRONYMS. THE ADDITIONAL EMPHASIS THIS PROVIDES CLEARLY DESIGNATES MY OPINION TO BE FAR MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS COULD EVER BE, DESPITE MY LACK OF CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE SUPPORTING ANY OF MY INCREASINGLY OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS. THIS ALREADY STUNNING MARVEL OF DEDUCTIVE REASONING IS ONLY FURTHER STRENGTHENED BY MY USE OF DEROGATORY SLANG, WHICH INDICATES THAT YOU ARE CLEARLY WRONG AND THAT IT'S INTELLECTUALLY DOWNHILL, METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING, FOR ME TO COMMUNICATE ON YOUR LEVEL. GTFO NOOB, ROFL, STFU. MOTHERSHIPS ARE ******* FINE, TBH, LOL! NERF WHINERS PLX CCP, KTHX!
Destiny Calling Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:17:00 - [26] Edited by: Destiny Calling on 11/09/2007 22:17:45 Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 I CAN TYPE UTILIZING A CLEVER BLEND OF CAPITAL LETTERS AND ACRONYMS. THE ADDITIONAL EMPHASIS THIS PROVIDES CLEARLY DESIGNATES MY OPINION TO BE FAR MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS COULD EVER BE, DESPITE MY LACK OF CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE SUPPORTING ANY OF MY INCREASINGLY OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS. THIS ALREADY STUNNING MARVEL OF DEDUCTIVE REASONING IS ONLY FURTHER STRENGTHENED BY MY USE OF DEROGATORY SLANG, WHICH INDICATES THAT YOU ARE CLEARLY WRONG AND THAT IT'S INTELLECTUALLY DOWNHILL, METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING, FOR ME TO COMMUNICATE ON YOUR LEVEL. GTFO NOOB, ROFL, STFU. MOTHERSHIPS ARE ******* FINE, TBH, LOL! NERF WHINERS PLX CCP, KTHX! I don't think he's all there to be blunt.
Stephannus Calimben	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:19:00 - [27] http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Miz+Cenuij&filter=kills did he get you? lol You're talking about a probably 80 billion isk ship (after all the officer mods have been counted in). What do you expect? His smartbombs only instapop incoming traffic that can't take a few thousand damage (no resists), ie shuttles, frigates, some cruisers, and untanked haulers. And once again, a rokh or two can do exactly the same thing for 1/100th the cost. With the amount of money miz invested in that ship he damned well better be posting some wicked kills and only losing it to some serious teamwork. I'll support nerfing low sec motherships the day i see someone with a few dreads and a bunch of heavy neut battleships try to corner one and FAIL rather than just whine on the forums. Ya he can cyno out, but he has to cyno SOMEWHERE, it's not impossible to kill him just really really ****ing hard
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:25:00 - [28] Ah finaly vet's are starting to post. Read what they wrote noobs. Also stop ***** whining because you heard from someone that MS are invincible. Trust me they are not. Sureeeee they are annoying in low sec, but guess what... gtfo of the system or take the appropriate measures to take him out. you dumbasses aren't smart enough to bring in 2 or 3 BS with smartbombs to kill all his fighters/drones. Ever seen a Mothership w/o any Fighters or Drones? Carriers and Motherships look impressive and all, but 99% of your tards keep forgetting something. They are ONLY dangerous if you don't know what to do. Take their fighters/drones out... and they are useless. ______ Originally by:** Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Jovoich Infragilis Conventio Corp. Ethereal Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:27:00 - [29] Stop been an arse and start showing some respect to people. your just making yourself out to be a complete muppet
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:28:00 - [30] Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 22:28:39 I have ZERO respect for those whiners that keep crying. And i certainly DON'T want respect from them. If anything, they shouldn't EVEN be in low sec. Can't handle it? GTFO. They got a problem? I'll be MORE than happy to help them out, but they don't give a **. They want it the easy way, nerf it nerf it nerf it. That's it. ______ Originally by:** Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Jovoich Infragilis Conventio Corp. Ethereal Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:34:00 - [31] NO one here has bin screaming about nerfin the MS, 1 person asked how they work and ask (from how i read it) how to get rid/kill a MS. All you have done is shout your mouth off and use offensive language at people. Cant we get ISD to lock this? i think this guys had his question answered
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:40:00 - [32] Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 22:40:59 Originally by: Jovoich NO one here has bin screaming about nerfin the MS, 1 person asked how they work and ask (from how i read it) how to get rid/kill a MS. All you have done is shout your mouth off and use offensive language at people. Cant we get ISD to lock this? i think this guys had his question answered Feel free to browse around the forum (and re-read this thread). You will see why me/MS pilots are ** off at noobs. And yes can a ISD lock this crap, and the other 'whaaaaaaaaa nerf ms now' threads. Edit: Oh and yes i'm using offensive language since being nice for 3ish years doesn't work with those people. So i'm trying a new approach. Next step is in-game greifing with one or more Motherships :) ______ Originally by:** Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Jovoich Infragilis Conventio Corp. Ethereal Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:43:00 - [33] Just coz other posts ave bin a bit ott dont mean you have the right to shout ur mouth off in this one. and if your re-read the post i think you will find that with the expection of the 1st couple of posts people have bin coming up with ways to kill/chase off a MS.
Celestal	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:54:00 - [34] personally i would ignore the rantings of some kid who flies a cap and has to resort to spewing out abuse on the forum ( probably childishly trying to get the thread locked to avoid airing the subject ) . I can see absolutely no reason for allowing supercaps ( moms+titans) in low sec and the sooner they get banished to 0.0 the better . As someone suggestested elsewhere , go watch one of the low sec gate camping moms for 30 minutes , in a cloaked ship , see the endless stream of noobs getting popped then come here and give us a rationalisation on why they should remain in low sec . ( if you just going to spew abuse and swear here please take your barbies to another sandpit )
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:54:00 - [35] Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 22:54:45 Originally by: Jovoich Just coz other posts ave bin a bit ott dont mean you have the right to shout ur mouth off in this one. and if your re-read the post i think you will find that with the expection of the 1st couple of posts people have bin coming up with ways to kill/chase off a MS. Funny how you keep coming back. Unlike you i actualy provided information on what to do. So yeah, shoo. Oh and this kid is old enough to drive, drink, smoke, and rent a car (hint). I'm just sick of people like you noobs trying to ruin the game for others. ______ Originally by: Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Jovoich Infragilis Conventio Corp. Ethereal Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:56:00 - [36] you got some real problems. I feel sorry for you.
LemonHamster	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:59:00 - [37] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 22:56:32 Originally by: Jovoich Just coz other posts ave bin a bit ott dont mean you have the right to shout ur mouth off in this one. and if your re-read the post i think you will find that with the expection of the 1st couple of posts people have bin coming up with ways to kill/chase off a MS. Funny how you keep coming back. Unlike you i actualy provided information on what to do. So yeah, shoo. Oh and this kid is old enough to drive, drink, smoke, and rent a car (hint). I'm just sick of people like you noobs trying to ruin the game for others. For the above poster, if you can't see why then it just show's how much of a noob you are. Their is no reason for them not to be allowed. It's just as much their space as yours. Unlike 0.0 they can't put a tag on the space, so they show off their big guns. Not happy? YOU leave since you can't defend your territory. Not your territory? Then gtfo. Seriously, you appear to be the only one here with no practical MS fighting experience. Your "advice" is terrible and relies on the MS pilot being a fool. Yes, you can capbomb him if he chooses to fight a ridiculous sized blob. He can jump out before this happens. BOMBS DO NOT WORK IN LOWSEC. Get banned. _____________ NYAH ^_^
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:59:00 - [38] Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 23:00:47 Originally by: Jovoich you got some real problems. I feel sorry for you. Don't i might shed a tear (maybe even two). But i'll make you feel better: <333 Edit: Lemon i have a lot of experience. Heck i'v flown supercapital ships. I'm also a daily capital pilot. So i know a lot more than 90% of the people in this thread. I'm not a genius, but when i say 'kill the fighters/drones' well if you think thats wrong, then let me give you a big hug and some isk for your clone insurance :) ______ Originally by: Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Golden Helmet Caldari The Diabolic Abstraction	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:07:00 - [39] Edited by: Golden Helmet on 11/09/2007 23:06:55 Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 Ok this ** has to stop now. All you *** noobs crying about low sec Motherships. HAVE YOU EVEN EVER *** FOUGHT ONE?? AT THE LEAST SEEN ONE!? Probably not. Well i have, on many occasions thanks to a pirate with to much isk. They are NOT invincible, and the ONLY targets that fall pray to them are NOOBS. A SIMPLY scout will keep you alive. If one sticks around for a fight ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BRING ONE OR TWO DREADS AND HE WILL GTFO BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU CAN KILL HIM + TACKLE HIM + BUMP HIM WITH SHIPS TO KEEP HIM DOWN. In 0.0 Motherships are dying a lot easier thanks to you noobs *ing and crying. Jump your MS, BOOM you get interdictor bubble spam... Why the would anyone bring a 40-50 billion isk asset if they KNOW noobs can keep them stuck in one place and slowly chew on their shield/armor until they pop? Well its to late for 0.0, the cry baby noobs won. So *** stop about low sec. NOT HAPPY? GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME. EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Carriers and Motherships are not omfgl33tmobiles, far from it. Just because they are tougher to kill doesn't mean they need to be nerf, it means YOU need to ******* do more work to kill it dumbasses. Someone must've lost a mothership lately
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Golden Helmet Edited by: Golden Helmet on 11/09/2007 23:06:55 Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 Ok this ** has to stop now. All you *** noobs crying about low sec Motherships. HAVE YOU EVEN EVER *** FOUGHT ONE?? AT THE LEAST SEEN ONE!? Probably not. Well i have, on many occasions thanks to a pirate with to much isk. They are NOT invincible, and the ONLY targets that fall pray to them are NOOBS. A SIMPLY scout will keep you alive. If one sticks around for a fight ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BRING ONE OR TWO DREADS AND HE WILL GTFO BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU CAN KILL HIM + TACKLE HIM + BUMP HIM WITH SHIPS TO KEEP HIM DOWN. In 0.0 Motherships are dying a lot easier thanks to you noobs *ing and crying. Jump your MS, BOOM you get interdictor bubble spam... Why the would anyone bring a 40-50 billion isk asset if they KNOW noobs can keep them stuck in one place and slowly chew on their shield/armor until they pop? Well its to late for 0.0, the cry baby noobs won. So *** stop about low sec. NOT HAPPY? GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME. EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Carriers and Motherships are not omfgl33tmobiles, far from it. Just because they are tougher to kill doesn't mean they need to be nerf, it means YOU need to ***** do more work to kill it dumbasses. Someone must've lost a mothership lately No comments. ______ Originally by:** Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Marcathonas Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:17:00 - [41] Originally by: Icome4u i'v flown supercapital ships. I'm also a daily capital pilot. So i know a lot more than 90% of the people in this thread. I'm not a genius, but when i say 'kill the fighters/drones' well if you think thats wrong, then let me give you a big hug and some isk for your clone insurance :) I'm surprised that you don't know the strength of a supercap when you claim to have flown one. In lowsec with a pilot who will err on the side of caution (to put it politely), the chance of hurting them is close to null. You're correct, offensively speaking you can kill the fighters. But unless you have remote rep whoring going on, you're going to lose ships doing so. And that's fine. That's balanced, and for a ship that costs 20+ bil to build and however much to actually get ahold of, it'd be silly to think otherwise. However, in lowsec, with a pilot who will jump out the second he sees a gang that has any chance of hurting him, motherships cannot be killed. You would have to have prior knowledge of the pilots jump destination. To do this, you pretty much have to find out from the pilot, if he keeps his cyno alts logged out. Yes, you can take one down IF THE PILOT STAYS. If the pilot leaves at the first sign of a threat, he's untouchable. This is the problem. And yes, it actually is a problem. However, nerfing motherships again would be a terrible idea, and anchorable bubbles in lowsec will merely make it 0.0 with better trade routes to kill and less supercaps to worry about (ironylol). So, what would you suggest should be done to a ship that, for all reasonable intents and purposes, is not killable except when an extremely unlike set of conditions are met and the pilot has such a terrible response time that he doesn't notice the huge gang heading towards him about to nuke his cap?
Celestal	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:21:00 - [42] ssssh nobody tell our kiddy `cap ship` pilot that gate camping mom ship pilots do not normally use fighters as the gate guns pop them , in fact most use t1 drones , so any great plan about fighters is null and void , its not the offensive capabilities that are really the problem .
Absalom Marathon MicroFunks Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:26:00 - [43] This thread is so agressive that I almost feel ashamed. The Eve community is not about these barbaric curses and ****.
crash003 Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:28:00 - [44] so far in this thread i see : a typical low sec MS pilot, lots of carbear whiners and the occasional sane person. typical MS pilots spend their time trolling the forums defending their MS's the only way they need defending in the "nerf low-sec MS" threads. cause lets face it, as long as this pilot doesnt do sumin REALLY dumb... they aint gunna die. the carebears are whining cause there e-war blobs dont work, or they lost their hauler full of veldspar to a smartbomb. this usually ends up in a "come to 0.0 where the real pvp apparently is and u wont be so tough" (a complete lie) and the sane people are adding valuable input such as "lol"
Adrian Steel Caldari Knowledge Capsuleers	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:44:00 - [45] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 I CAN TYPE UTILIZING A CLEVER BLEND OF CAPITAL LETTERS AND ACRONYMS. THE ADDITIONAL EMPHASIS THIS PROVIDES CLEARLY DESIGNATES MY OPINION TO BE FAR MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS COULD EVER BE, DESPITE MY LACK OF CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE SUPPORTING ANY OF MY INCREASINGLY OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS. THIS ALREADY STUNNING MARVEL OF DEDUCTIVE REASONING IS ONLY FURTHER STRENGTHENED BY MY USE OF DEROGATORY SLANG, WHICH INDICATES THAT YOU ARE CLEARLY WRONG AND THAT IT'S INTELLECTUALLY DOWNHILL, METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING, FOR ME TO COMMUNICATE ON YOUR LEVEL. GTFO NOOB, ROFL, STFU. MOTHERSHIPS ARE ******* FINE, TBH, LOL! NERF WHINERS PLX CCP, KTHX! Simply gold. I believe that concludes this thread. Click above image for site link.
SgtDeaux	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 Waaaaaa!.
Karlemgne The Malevolent The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:54:00 - [47] Originally by: Shi Lang that makes sense, you can still chase it off at the very least though. No, not really. Unless you show up with a number of Dreads (over 3,) your own Carriers, and a lot of Battleships fit with energy neuts. Should you do that, you can expect to lose 4 to 8 Battleships, and not really do any harm to the Mom. -Karlemgne
Karlemgne The Malevolent The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:56:00 - [48] Originally by: crash003 so far in this thread i see : a typical low sec MS pilot, lots of carbear whiners and the occasional sane person. typical MS pilots spend their time trolling the forums defending their MS's the only way they need defending in the "nerf low-sec MS" threads. cause lets face it, as long as this pilot doesnt do sumin REALLY dumb... they aint gunna die. the carebears are whining cause there e-war blobs dont work, or they lost their hauler full of veldspar to a smartbomb. this usually ends up in a "come to 0.0 where the real pvp apparently is and u wont be so tough" (a complete lie) and the sane people are adding valuable input such as "lol" I am certainly NOT a carebear, and I have a problem with MoMs in low-sec. These ships, in low-sec, are so completely unbalanced that its ridiculous. -Karl
Karlemgne The Malevolent The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Marcathonas Originally by: Icome4u i'v flown supercapital ships. I'm also a daily capital pilot. So i know a lot more than 90% of the people in this thread. I'm not a genius, but when i say 'kill the fighters/drones' well if you think thats wrong, then let me give you a big hug and some isk for your clone insurance :) I'm surprised that you don't know the strength of a supercap when you claim to have flown one. In lowsec with a pilot who will err on the side of caution (to put it politely), the chance of hurting them is close to null. You're correct, offensively speaking you can kill the fighters. But unless you have remote rep whoring going on, you're going to lose ships doing so. And that's fine. That's balanced, and for a ship that costs 20+ bil to build and however much to actually get ahold of, it'd be silly to think otherwise. However, in lowsec, with a pilot who will jump out the second he sees a gang that has any chance of hurting him, motherships cannot be killed. You would have to have prior knowledge of the pilots jump destination. To do this, you pretty much have to find out from the pilot, if he keeps his cyno alts logged out. Yes, you can take one down IF THE PILOT STAYS. If the pilot leaves at the first sign of a threat, he's untouchable. This is the problem. And yes, it actually is a problem. However, nerfing motherships again would be a terrible idea, and anchorable bubbles in lowsec will merely make it 0.0 with better trade routes to kill and less supercaps to worry about (ironylol). So, what would you suggest should be done to a ship that, for all reasonable intents and purposes, is not killable except when an extremely unlike set of conditions are met and the pilot has such a terrible response time that he doesn't notice the huge gang heading towards him about to nuke his cap? I suggest the following. Super caps restricted to 0.0. Issue resolved. -Karl
Karlemgne The Malevolent The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:00:00 - [50] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 Ok this ** has to stop now. All you *** noobs crying about low sec Motherships. HAVE YOU EVEN EVER *** FOUGHT ONE?? AT THE LEAST SEEN ONE!? Probably not. Well i have, on many occasions thanks to a pirate with to much isk. They are NOT invincible, and the ONLY targets that fall pray to them are NOOBS. A SIMPLY scout will keep you alive. If one sticks around for a fight ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BRING ONE OR TWO DREADS AND HE WILL GTFO BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU CAN KILL HIM + TACKLE HIM + BUMP HIM WITH SHIPS TO KEEP HIM DOWN. In 0.0 Motherships are dying a lot easier thanks to you noobs *ing and crying. Jump your MS, BOOM you get interdictor bubble spam... Why the would anyone bring a 40-50 billion isk asset if they KNOW noobs can keep them stuck in one place and slowly chew on their shield/armor until they pop? Well its to late for 0.0, the cry baby noobs won. So *** stop about low sec. NOT HAPPY? GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME. EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Carriers and Motherships are not omfgl33tmobiles, far from it. Just because they are tougher to kill doesn't mean they need to be nerf, it means YOU need to ******* do more work to kill it dumbasses. Yes. Stop arguing in favor of your purchased unbalanced game mechanic. All the low-sec MoM pilots are transparent as hell. And stop with the shift key, please. -Karl
Insomnium Minmatar the united	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:17:00 - [51] Edited by: Insomnium on 12/09/2007 00:19:36 when one whines about whiners doesnt one become a whiner themself? hence forth you hate yourself, and you want yourself to remove yourself from the game that you don't think you or any of your kind have the right to play because they whine quite too much. i hope that made sense. Edit That was to the feller with the sticky shift key to prevent any confusion. ------------------------------------ If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward
Jirai Grepher Creative Destruction EternalRising	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:17:00 - [52] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 22:40:59 Feel free to browse around the forum (and re-read this thread). You will see why me/MS pilots are **** off at noobs. FYI, Your the only person that is sounding like a noob right now. you can't even have a real conversation with out cussing...and to be honest making your self bad. for all we know you bought that char. Nowadays how many SP a character has means absolutely jack. its what they can do with, and make the most of all those skillpoints. I'm pretty sure our honor packing Dread, and Lone ratting carrier pilots can attest to this. The former and original Pel Mel All posts made reflect my opinion and not that of my corp/alliance.
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:46:00 - [53] Originally by: Jirai Grepher Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 22:40:59 Feel free to browse around the forum (and re-read this thread). You will see why me/MS pilots are ** off at noobs. FYI, Your the only person that is sounding like a noob right now. you can't even have a real conversation with out cussing...and to be honest making your self bad. for all we know you bought that char. Nowadays how many SP a character has means absolutely jack. its what they can do with, and make the most of all those skillpoints. I'm pretty sure our honor packing Dread, and Lone ratting carrier pilots can attest to this. FYI i'v been around on multiple accounts awhile. I'll still be around after you quit the game. Now thats said, after 3ish years of having to get nerf over and over because of noobs whining, you would also get . But you don't have that problem now do you? Exactly. ______ Originally by:** Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Jirai Grepher Creative Destruction EternalRising	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:54:00 - [54] Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Jirai Grepher Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 22:40:59 Feel free to browse around the forum (and re-read this thread). You will see why me/MS pilots are ** off at noobs. FYI, Your the only person that is sounding like a noob right now. you can't even have a real conversation with out cussing...and to be honest making your self bad. for all we know you bought that char. Nowadays how many SP a character has means absolutely jack. its what they can do with, and make the most of all those skillpoints. I'm pretty sure our honor packing Dread, and Lone ratting carrier pilots can attest to this. FYI i'v been around on multiple accounts awhile. I'll still be around after you quit the game. Now thats said, after 3ish years of having to get nerf over and over because of noobs whining, you would also get *. But you don't have that problem now do you? Exactly. Adapt and overcome, or quit. That goes for both the whiners, and the Whiners, Whining about Whiners(that would be you). What makes you think I am going to quit anytime soon? Are you a profit of some sorts? Can I get next weeks lotto numbers? I have been around for almost all of the major nerfs in the game...hell i helped make some of them happen(Dual MWD Raven, and Cruise missle Kestrels lol), but you adapt and overcome. or quit. The former and original Pel Mel* All posts made reflect my opinion and not that of my corp/alliance.
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:54:00 - [55] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 Ok this ** has to stop now. All you *** noobs crying about low sec Motherships. HAVE YOU EVEN EVER *** FOUGHT ONE?? AT THE LEAST SEEN ONE!? Probably not. Well i have, on many occasions thanks to a pirate with to much isk. They are NOT invincible, and the ONLY targets that fall pray to them are NOOBS. A SIMPLY scout will keep you alive. If one sticks around for a fight ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BRING ONE OR TWO DREADS AND HE WILL GTFO BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU CAN KILL HIM + TACKLE HIM + BUMP HIM WITH SHIPS TO KEEP HIM DOWN. In 0.0 Motherships are dying a lot easier thanks to you noobs *ing and crying. Jump your MS, BOOM you get interdictor bubble spam... Why the would anyone bring a 40-50 billion isk asset if they KNOW noobs can keep them stuck in one place and slowly chew on their shield/armor until they pop? Well its to late for 0.0, the cry baby noobs won. So *** stop about low sec. NOT HAPPY? GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME. EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Carriers and Motherships are not omfgl33tmobiles, far from it. Just because they are tougher to kill doesn't mean they need to be nerf, it means YOU need to ******* do more work to kill it dumbasses. Lolz you've obviously never flown a mom.
Jirai Grepher Creative Destruction EternalRising	Posted - 2007.09.12 01:02:00 - [56] Originally by: Superbus Maximus Lolz you've obviously never flown a mom. watch it man, he/she might call you a noob then start to kick, scream, and cuss at you. The former and original Pel Mel All posts made reflect my opinion and not that of my corp/alliance.
Shi Lang	Posted - 2007.09.12 01:46:00 - [57] woah, never once in the entire thread did I whine at all learn to read.
Rawstyle Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.09.12 02:20:00 - [58] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 Ok this ** has to stop now. All you *** noobs crying about low sec Motherships. HAVE YOU EVEN EVER *** FOUGHT ONE?? AT THE LEAST SEEN ONE!? Probably not. Well i have, on many occasions thanks to a pirate with to much isk. They are NOT invincible, and the ONLY targets that fall pray to them are NOOBS. A SIMPLY scout will keep you alive. If one sticks around for a fight ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BRING ONE OR TWO DREADS AND HE WILL GTFO BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU CAN KILL HIM + TACKLE HIM + BUMP HIM WITH SHIPS TO KEEP HIM DOWN. In 0.0 Motherships are dying a lot easier thanks to you noobs *ing and crying. Jump your MS, BOOM you get interdictor bubble spam... Why the would anyone bring a 40-50 billion isk asset if they KNOW noobs can keep them stuck in one place and slowly chew on their shield/armor until they pop? Well its to late for 0.0, the cry baby noobs won. So *** stop about low sec. NOT HAPPY? GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME. EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Carriers and Motherships are not omfgl33tmobiles, far from it. Just because they are tougher to kill doesn't mean they need to be nerf, it means YOU need to ******* do more work to kill it dumbasses. Seriously dude, shut up
port22 The Scope	Posted - 2007.09.12 02:50:00 - [59] No I dont fly caps. No that doesnt make anything I say here void. Yes I do have an opinion. The opinion is as follows... People in this thread shouting their mouths off calling people nubs, noobs or any other variation outa be ashamed. Your like the kid at school who never got the attention he wanted, so he stamps his feet at ppl once he gets his drivers licence. In regards to locking supercaps to 0.0, im on the fence. Part of me thinks GTFO of the kitchen if you cant stand the heat. The other part of me says they guy has spent so many billion on his/her ship, why shouldnt they be king of the system and do as they please. Originally by: Temp Boi Port FTMFW Period.
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.09.12 02:54:00 - [60] Yawn I'v become bored once again. You guys fail at entertaining me. Well not all, some where pretty good. But yeah, keep whining, i'll just keep killing you noobs. It's nothing personal, but my way to show my love to everyone :D ______ Originally by: Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Celestal	Posted - 2007.09.12 03:04:00 - [61] Originally by: Icome4u} ***************************************** [/quote seriously , is your corp and alliance filled with stupid, ignorant, cussing noob kids like you ? ( if not then why they let u in them ? )
LemonHamster	Posted - 2007.09.12 03:08:00 - [62] Originally by: Icome4u Yawn every part of my argument got demolished and I was made to look like an idiot, so I'll be cool and pretend I don't care, which is EXACTLY why I was flaming so hard for the last bajillion walls of text But yeah, keep attempting reasoned debate, I'll ignore it and call you all wow noobs, because I have no connection whatsoever to reality or EVE Fixed _____________ NYAH ^_^
Yowin Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.09.12 03:24:00 - [63] Originally by: Icome4u blablabla Its nearly impossible kill a ms in low sec. Yes, in your stupid and theorical mind, you can stop him with a army of speed bs with neutralizers. In the real world, when the ms pilot see the local upping, just jump out by cyno or warp to a ss and cloak.
Ms DaisyMae Burning Bush Enterprises	Posted - 2007.09.12 03:34:00 - [64] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 22:26:45 Ah finaly vet's are starting to post. Read what they wrote noobs. Also stop ***** whining because you heard from someone that MS are invincible. Trust me they are not. Sureeeee they are annoying in low sec, but guess what... gtfo of the system or take the appropriate measures to take him out. you dumbasses aren't smart enough to bring in 2 or 3 BS with smartbombs to kill all his fighters/drones. Ever seen a Mothership w/o any Fighters or Drones? Carriers and Motherships look impressive and all, but 99% of your tards keep forgetting something. They are ONLY dangerous if you don't know what to do. Take their fighters/drones out... and they are useless. Edit: Nos the MS quickly and he can't cyno out. Combine with those damn neut/nos bombs and their goes his cyno out cap. Bump him with MWD/Tank ships, he won't go anywhere. Then let your smartbomb ships take his dps out. So after a couple minutes of teamwork (yes you need teamwork your ***** ignorant noobs), you have: 50 billion isk of mothership with no were to run + no dps. Have fun! Bombs can't be used in lowsec...
Ms DaisyMae Burning Bush Enterprises	Posted - 2007.09.12 03:36:00 - [65] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 22:40:59 Originally by: Jovoich NO one here has bin screaming about nerfin the MS, 1 person asked how they work and ask (from how i read it) how to get rid/kill a MS. All you have done is shout your mouth off and use offensive language at people. Cant we get ISD to lock this? i think this guys had his question answered Feel free to browse around the forum (and re-read this thread). You will see why me/MS pilots are **** off at noobs. And yes can a ISD lock this crap, and the other 'whaaaaaaaaa nerf ms now' threads. Edit: Oh and yes i'm using offensive language since being nice for 3ish years doesn't work with those people. So i'm trying a new approach. Next step is in-game greifing with one or more Motherships :) Greif me pls. Kthnkxby
GandolftheWhite Gallente The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2007.09.12 03:41:00 - [66] Drum Rolll..... Just make it so that stopping people from warping isnt ECM!? !!! Since ecm boats dont get a bonus to Warp disruption it only makes sense. Put them in as some kind of propulsion jamming unit! We can call them... Drumm rolll!1. Warp scramblers! Either ban Super capitals from low sec or allow them to be scrambled, noone should have an I win button like the mom in low sec with a cloak combo.
Tryptic Photon Gallente Asgard Protectorate Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.09.12 03:48:00 - [67] Originally by: Icome4u Oh and this kid is old enough to drive, drink, smoke, and rent a car (hint). wow ur mom is super nice!
Captian Internet Lead Bricks	Posted - 2007.09.12 04:43:00 - [68] Lowsec motherships suck Isk should not remove risk Local Thread 107-b,War ,Navigation Shortcuts
Smacktalking Alt	Posted - 2007.09.12 05:14:00 - [69] Edited by: Smacktalking Alt on 12/09/2007 05:14:32 This song is dedicated to Icome4u:
iiOs Evil Things	Posted - 2007.09.12 05:52:00 - [70] this is teh funney ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.09.12 06:43:00 - [71] Originally by: Icome4u Yawn I'v become bored once again. You guys fail at entertaining me. Well not all, some where pretty good. But yeah, keep whining, i'll just keep killing you noobs. It's nothing personal, but my way to show my love to everyone :D who are you? I wasn't aware that our job was to entertain you btw. Many times have we tried to kill camping MS in low sec, but they run away so fast. As soon as they see local jump..they gone. NO MS has ever been killed in low sec. I have fraps of about 25 cap ships dropping in on a gate camping MS..and guess what, it just warped away Something is wrong with that... I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Miz Cenuij	Posted - 2007.09.12 07:23:00 - [72] It is possible to tank a Nyx with full fighter deployment. A have seen several ship types tank the damg for over 5 minutes. Included were Vultures, Nighthawks and a rattlesnake. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Amael Galenus Mighty Moshin Emo Rangers	Posted - 2007.09.12 08:40:00 - [73] Icome4u - I'd be interested to hear your thoughts about this topic... I believe that Rells' posts pretty much debunk all of your theories for killing a MS (in low sec, not 0.0) Originally by: Flinx Evenstar NO MS has ever been killed in low sec. What he said
Faekurias Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.09.12 09:04:00 - [74] Soo...am I the only one who wants to see what happens when a president gets a boner? :/
isometricantaliac	Posted - 2007.09.12 09:26:00 - [75] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 Yes. Stop arguing in favor of your purchased unbalanced game mechanic. All the low-sec MoM pilots are transparent as hell. And stop with the shift key, please. -Karl I might be mistaken but I think that character was for sale a while ago which might explain the posters lack of knowledge on how/what MS's do at gate camps in Low-Sec.. Seriously though why would anyone want to spend 25 + billion ISK on an MS to use as a gate camping noob ship killer? especially when you can do the very same thing with a ship that costs a lot less than what a MS costs. I agree with a lot of the people in here that either super caps need to be restricted to 0.0 don't nerf them (cause I want to get on hopefully one day) just keep them where they were meant to be used....
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.12 09:48:00 - [76] either restrict super caps to 0.0 (ones in empire/low-sec stay there, but once they leave a system, they cant get back). -or- make warp scram/web it's own module type and not classed under ecm, but give the MS a warp core strength of like +4 or something.
shamai	Posted - 2007.09.12 10:39:00 - [77] I was wondering why I had a really bad 80s song running around in my head while reading this thread... Tiffany - I think were alone now The first line from that song SO applies to this thread...
lyrenna Caldari The Renaissance The Makhai	Posted - 2007.09.12 10:51:00 - [78] Originally by: port22 In regards to locking supercaps to 0.0, im on the fence. Part of me thinks GTFO of the kitchen if you cant stand the heat. The other part of me says they guy has spent so many billion on his/her ship, why shouldnt they be king of the system and do as they please. being a king/queen is another issue but being invulnerable like a loladin in a bubble is th real issue, i think. some kind of capital warp distrupt, cynojammer probly solve the whole problem. risk vs reward can apply with this kind of solution, in current state a mom in low sec is totaly risk free and rewardy.
Celestal	Posted - 2007.09.12 11:43:00 - [79] Originally by: isometricantaliac [ I might be mistaken but I think that character was for sale a while ago which might explain the posters lack of knowledge on how/what MS's do at gate camps in Low-Sec.. This is the link to the character sale: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=480457 so in reality , our potty pen , highly experienced supercap pilot who has been playing eve since 10 years before eve went online turns out to be an evayed character with 21/22 million skill points ( which face it is pretty noob in cap ship terms ). Now why am I not suprised ?.
Fafnir Drake Gallente Boob Heads Haud Terminus	Posted - 2007.09.12 13:06:00 - [80] Edited by: Fafnir Drake on 12/09/2007 13:07:24 K, first of all. Icome4u, you are an arrogant and ignorant prig. I mean, seriously. Ok, noobs whine. But I see a lot of "vets" whine about noobs whining more then noobs. Now personally, I see low sec mom as a bit of a pain, but not to big a deal for a corp unless the mom is going after your corp to muck with your logistics. And even then, if ya have a carrier for runs down to 0.0, it's not something ya can't work around. However, moms are a real pain for smaller corps and groups. As for killing moms in low sec, yah it's damn near impossible, but most moms get hauled into 0.0 for some reason or other, even dedicated low sec gate camp ones. Look at the Hera (R.I.P., fine ship, lost to sneaky backstabbing). To OP, unless ya have a large 0.0 worthy fleet, chances of killings the mom are low. Best bet is to sneak around em via another system. And if you're not in the mood to be popped or just enter a fricken FFA fall all intents and purposes, avoid rancer. If ya have to go through, bring a good sized gang and prep for some pew pew. My hand is tired. Time for me to shut up and hit "post reply". o/ And damn, just realized the first part of my post is ironic given my sig. Damn. >.< ------ "Arguing over the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win you're still a ******."
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe	Posted - 2007.09.12 13:16:00 - [81] Mothership DPS with drones: Nyx: 6x Templar, 6x Dragonfly, 6x Einherji, 7x Firbolg total: 3125 UNTAKED DPS with maxed skills Wyvern (one other random mommy): Same amount of drones and same type total 2500 UNTAKED DPS untaked means with 0% damn resistance take your conclusions ----------------------------------------------- Forum Warfare - Rank (4) - Level V Forum Warfare Specialist - Rank (9) - Level III Armor Flame Compensation - Rank (5) - Level IV
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.09.12 13:19:00 - [82] Epic thread. I guess what you can tank also depends on damage types and sig radius. Most popular fitting tools give the tanked DPS on lowest resist, not highest. You can reduce fighter damage by keeping moving, especially with a propulsion mod, however my understanding is many or all MS pilots use a Domination or Officer web to snag a target for the fighter swarm. Feel free to flame me if I'm wrong. I know this is a polite and gentlemanly thread but you don't need to feel guilty about it, you really don't. Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
Baherroth Gallente Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.12 13:49:00 - [83] I do agree with some of you, A Mothership wihout a fleet is very vulnerable and can only instapop weak nontanked ships using smarties, they are easy to kill by dropping cans near it and bumping it to hell and back webbing, neuting and nossing will kill it easily, a Mothership needs a fleet to kill, like any other capital ship, ofcourse it isnt as easy as interdictor-bubble-spam BUT if you time it right and get the right force, you can easilly kill a lowsec Mothership BTW One idea for lowering the advantage a Mothership has, would be to make the Supercapital ships UNALLOWED to fit any Large Smartbomb, Officer OR Faction,t2 etc...and create new Supercapital Smartbombs, that CAN only be fitted on a MS and Titan, BUT use a HELLISH amount of cap, that will remove this "invulnerability" people like to put, just an idea My 2 Quid
Amael Galenus Mighty Moshin Emo Rangers	Posted - 2007.09.12 14:26:00 - [84] Edited by: Amael Galenus on 12/09/2007 14:34:55 Originally by: Baherroth they are easy to kill by dropping cans near it and bumping it to hell and back webbing, neuting and nossing will kill it easily, a Mothership needs a fleet to kill Have you been keeping up with recent patches? Cans, bodies & wrecks are no longer bumpable and nos has been nerfed. The fleet option is fine in theory but it's going to be nigh on impossible to pull off in low sec as the MS pilot will just cyno out as soon as they see local jump (if they're careful/paranoid... which I would be if I were flying a ship worth that much). What most people are irked about (I think) is that you have no way of pinning them down in low sec
Jkrog Minmatar Xtreme Fighters Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2007.09.12 15:22:00 - [85] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:56:06 Originally by: LemonHamster Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME.. Please, please do, you uninformed ** Show me ONE goddamn hyperion/abaddon/rokh/maelstrom fit that can tank between 2k-3.1k dps (20 fighters on a maxed out wyvern v 25 fighters on a maxed out nyx respectively). One. *** idiot. If you don't know then you deserve to die. I have NEVER lost my Rokh to fighters spam from a Mothership. NEVER. Go play with your third party tools and figure it out yourself, i'm not going to do it for you. Heck i'v had my Dominix tank 2 Thanatos EASILY. With a good 20+ fighters on me. Only dumbasses and noobs die in big ship vs carriers/motherships. Edit: Not to mention the drake tanking capabilities. Even after the big nerf (thanks to you noobs) i can still tank hordes of fighters. Oh and it's not the Mothership you noobs should be afraid of, it's the huge support/guard fleet near it. First of all, its spelled Newbie, not N00b or whatever you want too call it, its N e w b i e**, and secound of all, if you think there are too many Newbies in Lowsec, what on earth are you doing there? Seems like you have been around too much, having too much overpowerness, and on top of that it seems like your arrogance have gone wild. If you need to harash anyone or even call them names, please type it correct instead. I for one know how annoying Newbies can be, and how they react when they get killed or overrun - they whine, and keep on whining untill they get what they want, it will and have always been like that. And somehow the Devs listen more too the continuesly whiners than the people who have been in the game long and are willing too give out the knowledge they have about the game - and you my dear sir, you indeed do nok look like on of those people who are willing too do so, so why on earth should we even want too listen too you? Stop your blabbering, and accept that the whiners always will win in the whining competition and get the nerfs they want. Sad but true.
Draug Luin	Posted - 2007.09.12 19:04:00 - [86]
Barra Cheveyo Gallente Stratos Styx	Posted - 2007.09.12 19:04:00 - [87] These guys terrorize solitude with three motherships. I've seen them warp in two motherships just to kill a lousy battleship. Corp: Bermuda Syndrome Mother Ships: Nyx, Nyx, Wyvern Wish I had their ISK.
GoldSnake omen.	Posted - 2007.09.12 19:09:00 - [88] I find it incredibly funny that icome4u seems to be talking like a 'pro' when he/she is in one of the worst alliances in eve, their killboard is abismal. The only reason Omen were ever their is so we could get you to build cap ships for us and screw you over tbh :) Anyway, motherships in lowsec are a pain i'm sure but its part of eve life, there will always be pirates in any variety of ships, and as far as im aware, there really isnt any tech2 fitted ship (unless its a capital) that can tank the dps of a mothership which has fighters lvl5 and carrier lvl5, yes icome4u, not even your carebeary caldari passive sheild tanks. So meh, get a scout and get on with it, and if your new to the game, avoid lowsec in the first place?
Kermis Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.09.12 19:28:00 - [89] Just buff the gate guns tbh... But let cap ships be able to enter lowsec, I want my safe transport, and that's not hurting anyone...
Haegr Bjolf Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.09.12 19:35:00 - [90] Originally by: Adrian Steel Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 I CAN TYPE UTILIZING A CLEVER BLEND OF CAPITAL LETTERS AND ACRONYMS. THE ADDITIONAL EMPHASIS THIS PROVIDES CLEARLY DESIGNATES MY OPINION TO BE FAR MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS COULD EVER BE, DESPITE MY LACK OF CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE SUPPORTING ANY OF MY INCREASINGLY OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS. THIS ALREADY STUNNING MARVEL OF DEDUCTIVE REASONING IS ONLY FURTHER STRENGTHENED BY MY USE OF DEROGATORY SLANG, WHICH INDICATES THAT YOU ARE CLEARLY WRONG AND THAT IT'S INTELLECTUALLY DOWNHILL, METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING, FOR ME TO COMMUNICATE ON YOUR LEVEL. GTFO NOOB, ROFL, STFU. MOTHERSHIPS ARE ******* FINE, TBH, LOL! NERF WHINERS PLX CCP, KTHX! Simply gold. I believe that concludes this thread. Seconded.
MirrorGod Heretic Army Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.12 19:52:00 - [91] Edited by: MirrorGod on 12/09/2007 20:00:02 Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 Ok this ** has to stop now. All you *** noobs crying about low sec Motherships. HAVE YOU EVEN EVER *** FOUGHT ONE?? AT THE LEAST SEEN ONE!? Probably not. Well i have, on many occasions thanks to a pirate with to much isk. They are NOT invincible, and the ONLY targets that fall pray to them are NOOBS. A SIMPLY scout will keep you alive. If one sticks around for a fight ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BRING ONE OR TWO DREADS AND HE WILL GTFO BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU CAN KILL HIM + TACKLE HIM + BUMP HIM WITH SHIPS TO KEEP HIM DOWN. In 0.0 Motherships are dying a lot easier thanks to you noobs *ing and crying. Jump your MS, BOOM you get interdictor bubble spam... Why the would anyone bring a 40-50 billion isk asset if they KNOW noobs can keep them stuck in one place and slowly chew on their shield/armor until they pop? Well its to late for 0.0, the cry baby noobs won. So *** stop about low sec. NOT HAPPY? GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME. EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Carriers and Motherships are not omfgl33tmobiles, far from it. Just because they are tougher to kill doesn't mean they need to be nerf, it means YOU need to ***** do more work to kill it dumbasses. /Fking signed.
Centinel 6 Amarr The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.09.12 21:42:00 - [92] Hello guys, I think D2 and MM can vouch that our corp has had our "share" of MoMs droped on us during a fight. Yeah, it gets sticky in low sec fighting a MoM, yeah everyone is slamming on the warp buttons at the same time. But thats just the way it is. You take chances. And if your a pirate (IMO) you dont have much room to complain. If you get ganked warpin into a MOM then you didnt do your homework before your warp. I dont believe they should be nerf'd due to "carebear complaints". I dont own a MOM (yet) but I would hate for someone to nerf my ship because someone else cant cope with a loss (or number of losses). And NO, you cant tank a damn MOM in a T2 BS, unwillingly I've tryed. C6 Quote: A Dagger In The Night Is Worth A 1000 Swords At Dawn
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.12 22:49:00 - [93] Motherships cannot be killed in lowsec because there is nothing to stop them from cynoing or warping out. You might wanna ask RISE how well attacking a mothership with just 20 battleships and support works; they did so just the other day to one of ours and got horribly mangled. Originally by: Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Hyuuga Veralis Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.09.13 00:49:00 - [94] Originally by: Icome4u EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. -------------- Fulfilling 0.0 Ammo needs since 2 days after being made.
Hyuuga Veralis Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.09.13 00:53:00 - [95] Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Marcathonas Edited by: Marcathonas on 11/09/2007 21:09:38 Icome, you're flat out lying. A mothership does 3000 dps. A fully estamel fit crystal maelstrom at max skills tanks 4500. A t2 fit dominix w/rigs tanks 1200. A drake tanks slightly less. Shut up, get out of the thread. Naturally it takes an idiot to die to an MS given they're sluggish and huge, but you can't even come close to tanking one in any t2 fit ship, so don't pretend you can. It is true i haven't flown a ship smaller than capital and supercapital in a good 5 month but the game hasn't change enough to many my statement false. So cry a bit more, and go try and nerf something else. Motherships are fine, they got nerf more than enough thanks to the EVE noobs. If you die in low sec vs a mothership then simply quit the game and go play WoW where you can rez. A fighter does around 250-350dmg. They ONLY shoot every 6.38 seconds unlike drones who shoot A LOT faster. Even with 20 or 25 of those buggers you aren't doing uber damage. If you lose your beautiful tier 3 t2 tank BS to a MS, then its really time to quit the game. 2-3k DPS isn't uber damage? -------------- Fulfilling 0.0 Ammo needs since 2 days after being made.
Captian Internet Lead Bricks	Posted - 2007.09.13 04:40:00 - [96] The ability to run away at any given moment for only 30bill hot dawg! gg ccp seriously sit on gate f1-f6 if fleet appears Cyno if thread made about your ms or future ms type in caps about noobs and whiners Local Thread 107-b,War ,Navigation Shortcuts
Malarki X Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.09.13 08:29:00 - [97] I can see it now - Titans camping MoMs in low sec Sorry - had to do it
A'tarius Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.13 09:54:00 - [98] I'd like to see a solo (without remote tank-support) battleship tank my Nyx for longer then 60s. I'd wish them good luck and thank them for their faction loot as thats what you'd need to get even close. If you think a T2 Tier 3 BS can tank it, show me a setup which can tank 2250 dps (which according to EFT my Nyx puts out, Fighters 4 and Carrier 5). Saying that I can think of some faction / officer setups which could perhaps do it. With that said, I do actually think there are ways to kill a MS in lowsec but it just requires a LOT of planning and a several caps and a few neut-bs. Bumping isnt that good, what I'd personally do is build a wall of cyno's & dreads. Put a BS in front of it and open a cyno. It can bump the BS away but it'll have to turn to get around the cyno. So drop a couple of cyno's and dreads in siege on his arse and it will go down as it cant warp off (and the neut-bs should stop it from jumping). Assuming its a Nyx it'll tank a max of about 5000-6000dps, if its an Aeon it'll do max 9000dps. All of which will be broken fast by +10 dreads. Assuming 2500dps per close-range dread in siege, and the dreads will hit hard since the last patch (my Nyx having an 11-12km sig radius). Note, if you use the dreads as 'anti-warp' make sure you dont drop any gun dreads on him at 0m as they wont hit then. Requires planning? Yes. Impossible? No.
bornaa	Posted - 2007.09.13 11:03:00 - [99] icome4you you just came out like a frustrated ** that gets overworked by internet spaceships. show some manners and maby your words will have some value. at the moment everyone is just looking at you as an frustrated **** **ing away on his mothership wich seems like pride and joy of his life since he gets so worked over it.
Hammerfall Ceo Caldari Hammerfall Industries	Posted - 2007.09.13 11:45:00 - [100] Edited by: Hammerfall Ceo on 13/09/2007 11:45:52 lol yea that should be banned
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.15 22:01:00 - [101] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 Ok this ** has to stop now. All you *** noobs crying about low sec Motherships. HAVE YOU EVEN EVER *** FOUGHT ONE?? AT THE LEAST SEEN ONE!? Probably not. Well i have, on many occasions thanks to a pirate with to much isk. They are NOT invincible, and the ONLY targets that fall pray to them are NOOBS. A SIMPLY scout will keep you alive. If one sticks around for a fight ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BRING ONE OR TWO DREADS AND HE WILL GTFO BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU CAN KILL HIM + TACKLE HIM + BUMP HIM WITH SHIPS TO KEEP HIM DOWN. In 0.0 Motherships are dying a lot easier thanks to you noobs *ing and crying. Jump your MS, BOOM you get interdictor bubble spam... Why the would anyone bring a 40-50 billion isk asset if they KNOW noobs can keep them stuck in one place and slowly chew on their shield/armor until they pop? Well its to late for 0.0, the cry baby noobs won. So *** stop about low sec. NOT HAPPY? GTFO OF THE SYSTEM OR LEAVE THE ***** GAME. EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Carriers and Motherships are not omfgl33tmobiles, far from it. Just because they are tougher to kill doesn't mean they need to be nerf, it means YOU need to ***** do more work to kill it dumbasses. I'm gonna quote this so that when future generations want to laugh at you, you can't delete it Originally by:** Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Flowerpot Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.09.16 10:46:00 - [102] Another solution maybe to stop smart bombs being fitted to carriers so to force them to become part of a fleet. Maybe on safety grounds ? Its not like carriers or supercariers are defenceless with umpteen drones etc. This would also create moer risk for people who take out a carrier for a spin without a fleet. Wasn't this what they were for - to reinforce a fleet ? Not be a solo pwnmobile ....
zilllii	Posted - 2007.09.16 11:29:00 - [103] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Motherships cannot be killed in lowsec because there is nothing to stop them from cynoing or warping out. You might wanna ask RISE how well attacking a mothership with just 20 battleships and support works; they did so just the other day to one of ours and got horribly mangled. attacking a 25bill asset with 2bill assets isnt equal to success and should never be
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.16 11:41:00 - [104] Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 11:41:47 Originally by: Icome4u EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Can a Tier 3 BS tank 3125 dps? I have seen an officer fit vindicator with good skills. He only tanked 1200dps.
lyrenna Caldari The Renaissance The Makhai	Posted - 2007.09.16 11:47:00 - [105] Originally by: zilllii Originally by: Berrik Radhok Motherships cannot be killed in lowsec because there is nothing to stop them from cynoing or warping out. You might wanna ask RISE how well attacking a mothership with just 20 battleships and support works; they did so just the other day to one of ours and got horribly mangled. attacking a 25bill asset with 2bill assets isnt equal to success and should never be so a golden magnet or a state/federate/tribal/pokemon issue bs must be invincible PS: USE CAPS SO ITS COOL LIKE SUBER CAPS. infected sig, stay away!
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.16 12:40:00 - [106] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 11/09/2007 20:40:29 EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Ok now I aint bothered about the low sec motherships, havent encountered any anyway. But this quote is quite wrong. A maxed out Nyx for example will do 2500 dps from a mix of fighters. Almost 3K dps with 2 control units and mostly firblorgs. If my Maelstrom cant tank it, I dunno what will. It would have to be a seriously sick tank on a tier 3 BS to tank that much, it would have to be a maxed out, faction officer Maelstrom with Crystals..And I'd have to count on no neutralizers on me.
Julianis Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.16 14:47:00 - [107] My solution to is quite easy: add capital scramblers. Modules which can be fitted only on capital ships. If you want to play with your supercapital in lowsec, let other supercapital pilots play with you ;)
Khadur Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.16 16:23:00 - [108] Skillz
Elliott Manchild omen.	Posted - 2007.09.16 19:52:00 - [109] Originally by: Templer Relleg Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 11:41:47 Originally by: Icome4u EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Can a Tier 3 BS tank 3125 dps? I have seen an officer fit vindicator with good skills. He only tanked 1200dps. Where you get 3125 dps from? My nyx has carrier 5 and fihgters 5 and i only do 2500 =[ And ive not seen anything non capital even come close to tanking it.
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.09.17 00:37:00 - [110] Originally by: Templer Relleg Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 11:41:47 Originally by: Icome4u EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Can a Tier 3 BS tank 3125 dps? I have seen an officer fit vindicator with good skills. He only tanked 1200dps. I tried tanking 6 sentry guns (1056 dps) in a fully rigged Rokh with my bad shield tanking skills and bad caldari bs skills for around 3 minutes before having to warp. You need an officer fit + repping + someone dropping cap charges to tank for a while. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Captian Internet Lead Bricks	Posted - 2007.09.17 03:32:00 - [111] Originally by: Elliott Manchild Originally by: Templer Relleg Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 11:41:47 Originally by: Icome4u EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Can a Tier 3 BS tank 3125 dps? I have seen an officer fit vindicator with good skills. He only tanked 1200dps. Where you get 3125 dps from? My nyx has carrier 5 and fihgters 5 and i only do 2500 =[ And ive not seen anything non capital even come close to tanking it. All lvl V with the highs filled with Drone Control Units Changes to Local,War ,Navigation Shortcuts
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.17 07:39:00 - [112] Originally by: Captian Internet Originally by: Elliott Manchild Originally by: Templer Relleg Edited by: Templer Relleg on 16/09/2007 11:41:47 Originally by: Icome4u EDIT: Tier 3 Battleship WILL tank a Mothership fighters at carrier AND fighter max level. Can a Tier 3 BS tank 3125 dps? I have seen an officer fit vindicator with good skills. He only tanked 1200dps. Where you get 3125 dps from? My nyx has carrier 5 and fihgters 5 and i only do 2500 =[ And ive not seen anything non capital even come close to tanking it. All lvl V with the highs filled with Drone Control Units As he said. Its the figures that EFT gave me.
Pixelshader Gallente Astral Descendants	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:00:00 - [113] As super-caps can't be scrambled or held in place with traditinal equipment in low-sec, (without having to resort to some shady game mechanics i.e bumping) limiting them to 0.0 space actually makes sense to me. Although I can see why the people who has invested in these monsters might be of a different opinion.
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:44:00 - [114] +7x Dracila CPR +5x Dracila Cap Recharger =12.3 seconds Capacitor recharge time Try to Neut that. Killing that thing with reasonable numbers is not possible and an attempt would probably crash an unreinforced node. You're gonna need 141 (T2/Unstable) Heavy Energy Neutralizers to nuke it all away at once but it's gonna be back in 12.3 seconds, you could try getting more neutralizers to keep it at 0 cap but that would take 660 neutralizers. Naturally the number is lower if your goal is to just keep it from cynoing but I don't know the cap recharge function to get the amount of neutralizers required to keep it just below cynoing cap. Yes, I'm aware that the modules cost craploads of ISK but that setup is just imbalanced. It's basically like WCS, you keep all your firepower and sacrifice your tank to be able to run from nearly everything. No, I've never flown one and I've never lost a ship to one on TQ aswell.
omiNATION	Posted - 2007.09.19 06:42:00 - [115] Originally by: zilllii Originally by: Berrik Radhok Motherships cannot be killed in lowsec because there is nothing to stop them from cynoing or warping out. You might wanna ask RISE how well attacking a mothership with just 20 battleships and support works; they did so just the other day to one of ours and got horribly mangled. attacking a 25bill asset with 2bill assets isnt equal to success and should never be Riiiiight because you need 500 frigates to take down a BS?
omiNATION	Posted - 2007.09.19 06:44:00 - [116] Originally by: Julianis Edited by: Julianis on 16/09/2007 14:58:30 My solution is quite easy: add capital scramblers. Modules which can be fitted only on capital ships. If you want to play with your supercapital in lowsec, let other supercapital pilots play with you ;) This... most definitely.
gordon cain Minmatar x13	Posted - 2007.09.19 06:54:00 - [117] Originally by: Cpt Placeholder +7x Dracila CPR +5x Dracila Cap Recharger =12.3 seconds Capacitor recharge time Try to Neut that. Killing that thing with reasonable numbers is not possible and an attempt would probably crash an unreinforced node. You're gonna need 141 (T2/Unstable) Heavy Energy Neutralizers to nuke it all away at once but it's gonna be back in 12.3 seconds, you could try getting more neutralizers to keep it at 0 cap but that would take 660 neutralizers. Naturally the number is lower if your goal is to just keep it from cynoing but I don't know the cap recharge function to get the amount of neutralizers required to keep it just below cynoing cap. Yes, I'm aware that the modules cost craploads of ISK but that setup is just imbalanced. It's basically like WCS, you keep all your firepower and sacrifice your tank to be able to run from nearly everything. No, I've never flown one and I've never lost a ship to one on TQ aswell. Maybe thats because you sit in station all day and think off setups like that. That is so unrealisticly its not even funny. Think ffs. No one in MS is using setup like that. Sometimes I wish that EFT just shuts down when trying to do that kind of setups. gordon cain "Allways remember. Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience"
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2007.09.19 10:13:00 - [118] Originally by: gordon cain Maybe thats because you sit in station all day and think off setups like that. That is so unrealisticly its not even funny. Think ffs. No one in MS is using setup like that. Sometimes I wish that EFT just shuts down when trying to do that kind of setups. gordon cain Maybe you need to sit in a station all day to come up with a similar setup but I did not. No one is does not mean no one can. Well I guess setups aren't imbalanced unless the majority uses them. By the way, you might want to check the spelling in your signature.
gordon cain Minmatar x13	Posted - 2007.09.19 10:38:00 - [119] Originally by: Cpt Placeholder Originally by: gordon cain Maybe thats because you sit in station all day and think off setups like that. That is so unrealisticly its not even funny. Think ffs. No one in MS is using setup like that. Sometimes I wish that EFT just shuts down when trying to do that kind of setups. gordon cain Maybe you need to sit in a station all day to come up with a similar setup but I did not. No one is does not mean no one can. Well I guess setups aren't imbalanced unless the majority uses them. By the way, you might want to check the spelling in your signature. No need. You read it and thats fine with me. What I meant was that draclira setup with 12 sec cap recharge time is a setup that nobody in eve would ever use. Its all fine on paper but in reality that will hinder your ability to do basically anything else. And since no one will most likely use it, it cannot be used as an argument that MS cant be taken down in Empire. Gordon Cain "Allways remember. Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience"
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2007.09.19 11:09:00 - [120] Well why not use that setup to camp a gate with smartbombs and 2 logistics ships ? What would be so bad about it ? Worst case scenario would be losing your logistics support, you could always cyno out. Maybe add a Rapier to hold down battleships.

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