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Naomi Knight Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 198	Posted - 2012.01.19 17:50:00 - [31] - Quote Winmatard by far , it is good/best in everything not like other races ... :( sniping --> winmatar roaming-->winmatar solo --> winmatar is 1st or 2nd high end pve --> winmatar what else do you want? winmatar winmatar win win
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 317	Posted - 2012.01.19 17:54:00 - [32] - Quote Naomi Knight wrote: Winmatard by far , it is good/best in everything not like other races ... :( sniping --> winmatar roaming-->winmatar solo --> winmatar is 1st or 2nd high end pve --> winmatar what else do you want? winmatar winmatar win win No idea wtf you're talking about. Sniping - Minmatar is only any good if you need alpha. If you need DPS, it's Amarr, and range is Caldari Roaming - Minmatar does have an edge due to faster ships (particualrly Vagabond), but not best by any means Solo - All races have very good solo ships PvE - Are you smoking? This is Caldari all the way. I do hope you were trolling.
Naomi Knight Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 198	Posted - 2012.01.19 18:14:00 - [33] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: Naomi Knight wrote: Winmatard by far , it is good/best in everything not like other races ... :( sniping --> winmatar roaming-->winmatar solo --> winmatar is 1st or 2nd high end pve --> winmatar what else do you want? winmatar winmatar win win No idea wtf you're talking about. Sniping - Minmatar is only any good if you need alpha. If you need DPS, it's Amarr, and range is Caldari Roaming - Minmatar does have an edge due to faster ships (particualrly Vagabond), but not best by any means Solo - All races have very good solo ships PvE - Are you smoking? This is Caldari all the way. I do hope you were trolling. smoking is for dumbies like you sniping - today sniping is all about alpha no range or dps ---> go winmatar solo --> altogeather minmatar is way more favoured than caldari or amarr pve-- caldari rly?? only noobs think missiles is the way to go , only good for low sp/experience beginner players like you , turrets are way better especially if it is mounted on vargur or machi
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 317	Posted - 2012.01.19 18:29:00 - [34] - Quote Naomi Knight wrote: smoking is for dumbies like you sniping - today sniping is all about alpha no range or dps ---> go winmatar solo --> altogeather minmatar is way more favoured than caldari or amarr pve-- caldari rly?? only noobs think missiles is the way to go , only good for low sp/experience beginner players like you , turrets are way better especially if it is mounted on vargur or machi Alpha sniping is simply a flavor of the month. It does not mean that other forms don't work. For example, PL is using sniper Rokhs for fleet ops. Solo: Harbinger, Pilgrim, Curse, Vengeance, Arbitrator, Slicer, Myrmidon, Ishtar, Taranis, Ishkur, Enyo, Tristan, Comet, Thorax, Vexor, Dominix, Drake, Caracal, Moa (Yes, I said Moa), Cerberus, Harpy, Hookbill, Merlin, Kestrel, Griffin. I do not see your point. PvE: Tengu is totally not the most popular high level PvE ship. Not at all. But no, please, keep giving bad advice and insulting others' experience while you post with a glorified forum alt.
Kagan Storm Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 48	Posted - 2012.01.19 19:28:00 - [35] - Quote Ore ships.... You have an indi ore ship now.... My ego is the the size of my carriers jump range. If i comment on your post you are probably not smart and should go back to playing WoW.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 58	Posted - 2012.01.19 19:50:00 - [36] - Quote Amarr is a pain in the royal rump at first (Amarr ships stress support skills HARD), but smooths out very nicely as you get higher up in SP with T2 pulses and battleship and T2 cruiser hulls. Also: Amarr ships are very light on supplies, which is handy for mobile pilots. Minmatar can do pretty much everything well enough to get by even early on, but requires crosstraining to achieve its full potential (armor vs shield, guns/missiles/drones). Also: not being Caldari can cause logistical problems if you move into nullsec or something (I ran a whole constellation out of Fusion M from all the ratting I did down when I was in null). Caldari is top dog for "traditional" PvE and Sleepers, still. Incursions and missiles don't mix well though: the Rokh is probably your best bet for a pure-Caldari Incursion ship with its good blaster DPS, or you can always fly a Basi. ECM tears are nice in PvP, but beyond that and Tengu fun, you're rather short on options. Gallente since the hybrid buff is a good option all-around, with drones for solid traditional PvE performance, good brawlers in PvP, and blaster facemeltage in Incursions.
mecubed Amarrian Retribution 0	Posted - 2012.01.19 20:30:00 - [37] - Quote Winmatar, because CCP gave them advantages in speed,sig radius,damage selection, CPU and PG fitting, versatility over every other race.. They have the best of every ship class except for t3 cruisers, in which the loki is a close 2nd to the tengu. Their guns have pretty much the best tracking, the dps is up there with everyone, fall off range is an advantage. Arties have far superior alpha damage. They can pretty much dictate a fight and or disengage without much difficulty. Which is why you see most of the pvp ships being used are Minnie. Aside from a Drake (caldari) which is getting a nerf bat and its still inferior to a hurricane before the upcoming nerf.
1-Up Mushroom Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1902	Posted - 2012.01.19 21:49:00 - [38] - Quote Amarr anyday, they rock in everyway, most solid race in the game, don't listen to these Minmatar and Caldari fools, the only people I know who ended up never cross-training were Amarr 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!-áRemember EVE is EVErything!
Clyde ElectraGlide Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2012.01.19 23:30:00 - [39] - Quote Definitely Amarr.
Boyd Achura Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.01.19 23:43:00 - [40] - Quote Caldari, because playing the underdog is worth all the frustration.
AstarothPrime Eternal Profiteers Eternal Syndicate 5	Posted - 2012.01.20 10:23:00 - [41] - Quote Amarr all the way. - Caldari starts sucking past BC hulls, and missiles are boring as bloody hell, pve is good in serpentis and gurista space due to 25% only kinetic bonus on most PVE ships... ravens, including navy, sucks hairy balls with cruises, dont try to convince me otherwise... hybrids ... no need to discuss those - Minmatar are either low dps high alpha and range or short range boats... falloff is actually scam - AC suck for anything further then 1/4 falloff, you HAVE to live in angel area to do pve with them properly, they are great for pvp, fotm, but still overrated - Gallente - drones are OK, great carriers, but those ships cant shoot :\ - Amarr - pve good in sanshas and blood area, great PVP boats in all sizes, shoots max DPS furthest with large beams where not all is in falloff ;) I.
Kn1v3s 999 Aliastra Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2012.01.20 11:53:00 - [42] - Quote Winmatar. -Rifter -Trasher -Sabre -Wolf -Stiletto -Rupture -Cane -Tornado -Vagabond -Rapier -Huginn -Sleipnir -Maelstorm -Tempest Subcap none can match em. For each class (t1 or t2) they have the best ship or a viable option and they can do both small/large pvp and you need to skill them to have access of the Angel ships (more OP ships, but you will have to crosstrain to gallente for them) -Daredevil -Dramiel -Cynabal -Machariel -Vindicator /thread
Cedo Nulli Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2012.01.20 15:57:00 - [43] - Quote There can be only one ... Minmatar. Being minmatar is like listening to http://youtu.be/hbMk6PEN7JA nonstop on foreverloop. Thats how they are.
Jacob Stov 6	Posted - 2012.01.20 16:14:00 - [44] - Quote Quite easy. Minmatar. Started out as Caldari, but luckily switched before the buff to Minmatar. Better snipers, better roaming ships, better tacklers. Capitals are not that hot for both, but atleast Minmatar don't have a 100% fail dread, and the carrier is better now, too. Maybe Tengu is better than Loki, but that really isn't a class of ships I have any interest in.
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders Flatline. 23	Posted - 2012.01.20 17:06:00 - [45] - Quote Probably amarr because they have ships that excel at almost ever role. Pilgrim - Drone boat, Excellent solo ship Curse - Excellent fleet ship, can be shield or armor fit depending on logi support. Guardian - Best logi boat (although scimi is a close second) Arbitrator - Extremely cost effective pvp drone boat, and due to having a td bonus can punch well above its weight class Armageddon - Most cost effective BS. Abaddon - Incredible buffer, can be fit with 1400's for excellent alpha. Excellent laser dps as well. Armageddon Navy Issue - Decent option for shield incursion fleets if that's your thing. Zealot - second to none as far as fleet hacs go. Also, a number of amarr ships (malediction, vengeance, sacrilege) have missile bonuses as well, if your a fan of damage projection with selectable damage types. Amarr does everything well, except for speed. Edit: Also Amarr has the best caps. Minmatar caps are a poor joke by comparison.
Kn1v3s 999 Aliastra Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2012.01.20 18:07:00 - [46] - Quote problem about Amarr is they shine only after you have their t2 ships or BS, so it' s a long long run for a newbie
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 321	Posted - 2012.01.20 18:15:00 - [47] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Amarr does everything well, except for speed. Slicer. Retribution, too, if you kite-fit it.
Naomi Knight Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 198	Posted - 2012.01.20 19:34:00 - [48] - Quote looks like winmatar wins again :O no wonder it is the easiest race by far perfect for newbies 2nd is amarr
Andrea Griffin 87	Posted - 2012.01.20 20:55:00 - [49] - Quote Bent Barrel wrote: How about ship class instead of race restriction ? I started a new account (this one) and told myself that I won't set pod into anything larger than a frigate (ok I was flying a vexor for a bit :-))). Plenty of options in frigates alone for everything. I did this when I started out with my flashy lowsec Yarrr pirate character. Years later, I still fly almost exclusively frigates. My training went a lot like this: Started Caldari: Trained up missiles, hybrids, shields, drones. Cross trained to Gallente; Already had drones, just needed armor skills. Cross trained to Amarr: Already had drones and armor skills, just needed to train lasers. Cross trained to Minmatar: Already had everything except Autocannons. Once you flesh out your skills with one race, you can very quickly become competent with the others. Plus, with frigates being a low-rank skill, and guns / missiles limited to frigate sizes, the training goes by so quickly! As a side note, the ships I have flown the least are Gallente. I don't know if I even have a kill in a Gallente ship; I'm just not all that fond of them. Kn1v3s 999 wrote: problem about Amarr is they shine only after you have their t2 ships or BS, so it' s a long long run for a newbie This is true. The Amarr T1 lineup is pretty weak until you get into battlecruisers with T2 guns. Their T2 ships, however, are truly awesome. One of my favorite solo PvP frigates is the Sentinel. It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 321	Posted - 2012.01.20 21:16:00 - [50] - Quote Andrea Griffin wrote: Bent Barrel wrote: How about ship class instead of race restriction ? I started a new account (this one) and told myself that I won't set pod into anything larger than a frigate (ok I was flying a vexor for a bit :-))). Plenty of options in frigates alone for everything. I did this when I started out with my flashy lowsec Yarrr pirate character. Years later, I still fly almost exclusively frigates. My training went a lot like this: Started Caldari: Trained up missiles, hybrids, shields, drones. Cross trained to Gallente; Already had drones, just needed armor skills. Cross trained to Amarr: Already had drones and armor skills, just needed to train lasers. Cross trained to Minmatar: Already had everything except Autocannons. Once you flesh out your skills with one race, you can very quickly become competent with the others. Plus, with frigates being a low-rank skill, and guns / missiles limited to frigate sizes, the training goes by so quickly! I've restricted myself to frigates/cruisers and my training went Minmatar->Amarr->Gallente->Caldari. By this time I fly all of them pretty much equally, though less Minmatar than I expected to be flying what with all the "winmatar" rabble. "Small ships only" is a fun way to play. I ended up training a few bigger ships for PvE and other such purposes, but frigates are where it's at. Edit:Amarr frigates and cruisers, even the T1 ones, are still some of my favorite ships, actually. Inquisitor is great, Crucifier is awesome support, Arbitrator is an amazing cruiser, and Maller makes a great brick neut+tackle ship, plus I solo killed a Prophecy while using my Punisher once. T1 Amarr is really underrated, IMO.
OfBalance Caldari State 8	Posted - 2012.01.20 21:39:00 - [51] - Quote I get a lot of enjoyment from caldari myself. I have considered cross training one race or another more times than I care to count, but I always stay true to my first race. Probably just my OCD, but it hasn't caused me too much heartache. If I had to start from scratch again, btw that's a horrifying prospect considering the years of training I now take for granted, i'd probably choose minmatar or gallente just for variety's sake, using both tank types, having a little weapon variety, more drones to play with.
Christina Trild SkyNet Experiments 0	Posted - 2012.01.20 22:46:00 - [52] - Quote MINMATAR FTW all the way Our ships are easy to Repair we just need 5 rolls of ducktape
Pink Marshmellow Abyssal Heavy Industries Narwhals Ate My Duck 8	Posted - 2012.01.21 09:25:00 - [53] - Quote Amarr for me, I like shiny ships with lasers. Sure Amarr is not like the king of subcaps that Minmatar is, but they are still rather good and can hold on their own. Minmatar maybe the king of smaller ships, but Amarr is the king of bigger ships. Minmatar Capitals are fairly lacking for my tastes. The Minmatar concept of agility and speed doesn't exactly work for them. Amarr is GOLDEN.
Barbie D0ll Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2012.01.22 10:30:00 - [54] - Quote my preferred race is Sansha, i luv my spikey shield tanked lazor ships more than anything else. except i know not to take them into pvp because they are a flying lossmail outside of station. waiting for a buff for my beloved lazor ships
Roime UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS 125	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:51:00 - [55] - Quote Gallente. Highly competive options for solo and small gang combat. Blaster balancing will be improved even more on 24th. Drones had a ninja buff. Drone ships are also versatile and interesting to fly, offering more tactical gameplay than turret only-ships. Talos is awesome.

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