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Gerod Theron
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:42:00 -
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I am a returning player and thinking about starting fresh.
Do to either some OCD I can't bring my self to cross train races. Yeah i know it puts me at a disadvantage, but what ever.
So what race would you choose if you could only choose one? |
Jesus Rambo
Friendship is Magic
The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:23:00 -
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Caldari or Minmatar, depends on if you like PvE or PvP more. Both can do either, though. |
Palladias
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:44:00 -
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I started with caldari, but if I had to do it again i'd go amarr without batting an eyelash. Now that I can fly most amarrian ships well they're just about all I fly. There's a ship for every occasion and they seem to fit my playstyle like a glove.
Solo roaming pvp: pilgrim, slicer, or arbitrator if i'm feeling cheap
Small gang pvp: harbinger, oracle, curse
Fleet pvp: Abaddon, Guardian
Missions: Paladin, smokes **** so fast even angels can't slow me much, prior to that I used a Navy Apoc
Incursions: Abaddon, Guardian
W-space: Abaddon, Guardian, Legion
Exploration: Pilgrim for lowsec, legion for highsec
The armor vs. shield metagame flips back and forth a lot, so if you do sink heavily into amarr or caldari you will find yourself odd-man out at times, but i've found over the years amarr shoe-horns itself into the smaller shield gangs much better than any caldari ship can be faux-plated into an armor fleet.
It is, of course, a matter of taste. If you hate slow ships or being picky about what you engage in your solo roams then amarr will probably disappoint you. That said, if you can appreciate their strengths and capitalize on them, rather than wishing you were minmatar all the time (a common issue on these boards), you will have lots of fun. |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:58:00 -
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Minmatar. You can use just about any damage type, use guns or missiles, run with armor or shield gangs, and be exceptionally good at both pve and pvp. |
Exploited Engineer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:17:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Minmatar. You can use just about any damage type, use guns or missiles, run with armor or shield gangs, and be exceptionally good at both pve and pvp.
Jacks of all trades ... and masters, too. |
Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:33:00 -
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Sadly, Minmatar is the right answer (not sad because it's Minmatar but rather that there IS an answer). As others stated, damage type seelction, capless weapons, easy fitting, speed, versatility. Also, CCP has a hardon for Minnie (and amarr for that matter).
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:45:00 -
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I disagree with that, minmatar are a jack of all trades, but calling them masters is a bit over the top. They are masters of nano, everything else they are good at, but not great. Not saying they are bad at all, they have a great lineup of ships from frigs all the way to normal capitals. But amarr do have a solid advantage in armor tanking while caldari generally have better shield tanks.
If I were to start over today with a clean slate, I'd go gallente. I suspect amarr or caldari would be better suited to you however. My reasons for choosing gallente are my interests have gone back to solo pvp and low sec exploration. The ishtar is the undisputed master of exploration and when it comes to solo pvp, you either need to kite them or simply vaporize them in 30s or less. I've tried the kiting style and had to let far too many people go because their buddies showed up before i could finish the job. So now it's 1100 dps navy vexor time. That said, the arazu/lach kites pretty damn well as do some of their other ships. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:53:00 -
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Don't pick one, you will only be disappointed. All races have there ups and downs. You should be flying what you need not what you think you should stick to.
If you have to pick one, pick a pirate race and pretend its not cross training but a longer and harder split skill to learn |
A'Brantox Foson
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:53:00 -
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If it's racist to hate the vatican, well then i'm a racist.
Minmatar
(if i could choose 2, minmatar and amarr) |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:58:00 -
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Gallente or Caldari... Caldari probably. Its a tough call though. :|
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
86
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:02:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Gallente or Caldari... Caldari probably. Its a tough call though. :|
-Liang
Listen to Liang fly Gurista's |
Khrage
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:10:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:Don't pick one, you will only be disappointed. All races have there ups and downs. You should be flying what you need not what you think you should stick to. If you have to pick one, pick a pirate race and pretend its not cross training but a longer and harder split skill to learn
^this. esspecially since training two races covers almost anything you would want to do. plus gain pirate ship options. but really, you shouldn't start over - really. skill points are skill points. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:31:00 -
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King Rothgar wrote:If I were to start over today with a clean slate, I'd go gurista. I suspect amarr or caldari would be better suited to you however. My reasons for choosing gurista are my interests have gone back to solo pvp and low sec exploration. The Gila is the undisputed master of exploration.
fixed |
Jazelle Hazaad
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:43:00 -
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First Pick: Caldari.
Reason: Tengu.
Second Pick: Gallente
Reason: Armor sucks, but drones are nice.
Third Pick: Amarr
Reason: Armor sucks, but lasers are ok.
Would not even consider: Minmatar
Reason: Fotm and long over-due for nerfs |
Frozen Fallout
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:44:00 -
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I have to agree spreading your self out to two or more races is a good idea. Having some options really helps out your options and allows you to be more flexible in fleets.
One thing I would suggest is to get into a good corp and see what they fly. Many good 0.0 corps have standard fits and ship types they use. So if you join up with a good corp it will be very apparent what you should start skilling for. But if your looking to be a solo pilot doing PvE in empire just train up a Raven and make your isk :P. |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:47:00 -
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Actually I've been flying guristas stuff too. The rattlesnake is winsauce and so is the worm. In fact, the rattlesnake is a better maelstrom than the maelstrom. I'm sure the gila is pretty good too but I just can't get beyond the hideous ship model. On the other hand, I've always found the vexors to among the better looking ships in eve, especially now with the new skins. |
Jazelle Hazaad
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:48:00 -
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Frozen Fallout wrote:I have to agree spreading your self out to two or more races is a good idea. Having some options really helps out your options and allows you to be more flexible in fleets.
One thing I would suggest is to get into a good corp and see what they fly. Many good 0.0 corps have standard fits and ship types they use. So if you join up with a good corp it will be very apparent what you should start skilling for. But if your looking to be a solo pilot doing PvE in empire just train up a Raven and make your isk :P.
Yeah, forget what you want to fly or like to fly. Just fly what big brother says is the new fleet doc. That's a sure fire way to feel good about your [lack of] choice. 
I'm not knocking alliance warfare. I've been there and enjoyed myself. I just take issue with anyone who thinks being told what to train down to the exact ship is good for newbs. There's a diffirence between helpful direction (eve uni, agony) and you will fly X, Y, or Z for fleets (most other alliances with a rigid fleet doc). |
Jenny Cameron
Ordo Eventus
Inception Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:41:00 -
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Jazelle Hazaad wrote:First Pick: Caldari.
Reason: Tengu.
/seconded
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Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:44:00 -
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King Rthgar you apologise to the duck with a purse, that is mean.  Poor moa crying in it's purse.
Jazelle Hazaad your a forum alt so ............
Flying with a group and seeing what and how they fly is one of the best ways to get a feel for some thing with little investment. after you see some ships in the sky try a few out.
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Wacktopia
Noir.
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:58:00 -
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inb4 Goose99
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Jazelle Hazaad
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:59:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:King Rthgar you apologise to the duck with a purse, that is mean. Poor moa crying in to it's purse. Jazelle Hazaad your a forum alt so ............ Flying with a group and seeing what and how they fly is one of the best ways to get a feel for some thing with little investment. After you see some ships in the sky try a few out.
Hey babe, why you gotta be like that?
We're all fat nerds here, it's ok. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:32:00 -
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@OP what did your old main fly? what do you dislike about them?
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Misina Arlath
Sinister Elite
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Posted - 2012.01.19 11:36:00 -
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I started with Caldari way back when.
Changed to Amarr back when everyone said Amarr was crap due to too much dependancy on cap for their laser system (and the "loss" of a ship bonus on alot of ships due to the reduction in cap usage bonus many of them get). I'm a bit of an anti-mainstream person and always love underdogs. Granted, now Amarr are far from underdogs anymore.
Anyways, I stuck with Amarr and totally love their ships. Strong, reliable and overall great ships with a nice selection of decent ships for different roles. The only useless Amarr ships I know of are the Augoror, Prophecy and (arguably) the Retribution and Coercer (due to their one medslot issue). Besides those the Amarr has a very nice ship lineup.
Lately though I have crosstrained to Minmatar, which has been fun as well although I prefer the survivability that Amarr has. Not saying Minmatar doesn't have survivability, they do in plenty, but if you get bogged down in an Amarr ship you can still take a pounding before you burn.
For me the choice is simple.
If I have to choose one race only, Amarr all the way.
Tougher question would be... what if you could choose only one ship? Curse maybe... or... hmm... Harbinger... or Absolution! |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.01.19 11:51:00 -
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Jazelle Hazaad wrote:
I must assume from this you know of the torpsnake rat-melter. Please do not spread word of it, lest people start driving the price of my beloved rattler up. TIA.
Nope, never occurred to me to use one like that. I was thinking more in line with high grade crystals, a tengu booster, blue pill and web+scram. Sadly this toon doesn't have the skills to fly it properly... yet.
And no, I will not apologize to the moa. |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.19 12:30:00 -
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Gallente. More buffs are still coming, and they have a strong line of both pvp and pve ships. and maxing out drone skills first will serve you well. |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies
THE UNTHINKABLES
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:08:00 -
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gallente ftw |
Bent Barrel
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:14:00 -
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How about ship class instead of race restriction ? I started a new account (this one) and told myself that I won't set pod into anything larger than a frigate (ok I was flying a vexor for a bit :-))).
Plenty of options in frigates alone for everything.
But Gallente is my first choice because I love drones. |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:29:00 -
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in that case, take a couple of months to max out the Ishtar or the Domi, and you'll happily pve through pretty much anything. i went Ishkur --> Domi --> Ishtar --> Mega and was happy with my choices. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:41:00 -
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I'm glad I chose to focus on Amarr! I did choose to go over to Minnie for the rifter and DO have T2 small guns, but DANG I love flying Amarr!
Punisher- tank is good and speed is good enough, better than average small gun range with scorch.
Arbitrator- Jack of many trades. T1 neut ship, TDs FTW, can have multiple flights of drones, can fit armor or nano (although nano ignores the awesome TD bonuses.
Maller- Good bait ship, GREAT at breaking up plexing warp in camps (Faction War and all that). Can acttually be fit for surprise DPS as well.
Harbinger- Overall decent small gang ship, again, better than average gun range due to scorch.
Oracle- The true nano BC. Hell, it's even decently fast with a plate on it. 60km optimal range FTW.
I haven't used the BSs too much since that doesn't fit into small/medium sized gangs too well and that's what I'm running with recently. Can't wait though! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:17:00 -
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I'm surprised at how little "winmatar winmatar CCP loves winmatar" is in this thread. I expected much more of a trollfest.
If I were to start over, I would pick either Minmatar or Amarr... hard to decide. If I had to pick just one and not crosstrain, it would definitely be Minmatar, though. |
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