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Golden Helmet
Caldari
The Diabolic Abstraction
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Posted - 2007.09.13 01:43:00 -
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Let me paint a little picture for you. Some time ago, a long-time friend of mine from well before I started playing Eve, decided to quit the game. An ex-corpmate and friend of his, offered to keep his account going and training his character, on the condition that he could use the character (at the time, nearly Command Ship ready) untill my friend wanted to return to the game, which he then would return the character to it's original owner. My friend accepting, thinking he could trust him.
In recent weeks however, my friend wanted to come back to Eve. He got in touch with his friend that was watching the character and asked for it back. I'm sure you know what happens next. He refuses to give back the character.
My friend threatens to petition, and he still doesn't get the character back. So he sends the petition in with all the relevant information possible to prove his case. Seeing as the GM's game him the account back, obviously he was in the right, and had proved his case true. However, the thief, knowing that he was being petitoned, immediatly transferred the character to a seperate account of his. So my friend has the ACCOUNT back, but the GM's refused to give him the CHARACTER.
My friend also contacted the thief's CEO. I don't remember this part exactly, but seeing as the thief and his stolen character are still in the same corp as before, their CEO did nothing about it. Seriously, what kind of CEO could condone this? I'm all for scamming and the like, but this is beyond the plain, ordinary scam.
Now it's time to name names. I hate doing this, but it's all I can do. The thief is "einhander0004", and the character stolen, "bringme2life". The corporation harboring these two, Ganja Labs of the Hydra Alliance.
I'm sure a lot of you are laughing at my friend for actually trusting someone in this game, and if you are, laugh away. I know that posting this will have little relevance in the grand scheme of things. I merely wish to place this in the light of the community, and hope that it'll discourage someone else from making my friends mistake. How the GM's could not return the character is pathetic. Further more, how Ganja Labs could continue to keep an untrustworthy person as Einhander in their corp is beyond me. He stole years of my friends work on that character, whats to stop him from doing it again? Maybe not a character, but the corp hangars, or whatever else may be handy.
Some of the original owner of bringme2life's real friends were actually starting a fund to buy him a new character (with ISK. put those ban sticks away). However, he found out our little scheme, and though he's asking us not to trouble ourselves, we're still gonna do it whether he likes it or not, heh. But this post isn't asking for donations of any kind. Like I said, I simply hope to keep someone else from making the same mistake.
I've said what needs to be said. Flame on.
~GH
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d1v1n1ty
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Posted - 2007.09.13 01:46:00 -
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Sharing an account though...isn't that a violation of the EULA?
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Golden Helmet
Caldari
The Diabolic Abstraction
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Posted - 2007.09.13 01:48:00 -
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 Originally by: d1v1n1ty
Sharing an account though...isn't that a violation of the EULA?
Yes, it is. I'm not going to pretend to deny that. Regardless of EULA violations though, I think it's a rather low thing to steal years of work from a friend like that. Really goes to show, "Trust Nobody."
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.09.13 01:48:00 -
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Lending someone your account is a bannable offence. Accepting a loan of an account is also a bannable offence. Both of the people involved in this issue should have their accounts closed.
Feel free to petition the issue. If the GM is no help, ask for a senior gm. If the senior gm is no help, contact internal affairs and tell them you think the GMs aren't doing their jobs properly. If they don't help you by that stage, you've exhausted all of your options and there's no more you can do.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente
Vindicated Exiles
3asy Company
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Posted - 2007.09.13 01:50:00 -
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The character should be given back to the owner and the transfer fee refunded. I think that the original owner of the account has suffered enough.
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Golden Helmet
Caldari
The Diabolic Abstraction
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Posted - 2007.09.13 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Lending someone your account is a bannable offence. Accepting a loan of an account is also a bannable offence. Both of the people involved in this issue should have their accounts closed.
Feel free to petition the issue. If the GM is no help, ask for a senior gm. If the senior gm is no help, contact internal affairs and tell them you think the GMs aren't doing their jobs properly. If they don't help you by that stage, you've exhausted all of your options and there's no more you can do.
My friend did petition him. The GM's gave him the actual account back, but Ein had transferred the character to a third account, which the GM's did nothing about. I don't think he escalated it though, but it's a little late I think.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.09.13 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Liz Kali
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking
Originally by: TheDagda
*click*
For the love of the jovians stops necroing
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.13 01:53:00 -
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Both need to be banned, sharing accounts is against the EULA.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.09.13 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Golden Helmet
My friend did petition him. The GM's gave him the actual account back, but Ein had transferred the character to a third account, which the GM's did nothing about. I don't think he escalated it though, but it's a little late I think.
It's never too late. File a new petition, reference the old one and request senior GM escalation. Be prepared for a formal warning or temporary ban for account sharing, which you might get. However, you're very likely to get the character back. The other thing I meant to say is that I know this isn't your character but a friends and you're telling what you know of the story but don't assume any detail of it is true. I've had friends intentionally spin lies to me about a GM decision that I know for a fact wasn't true because I'd petitioned the same issue. It's disheartening but it happens.
Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened. |
Julien Mornier
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Posted - 2007.09.13 01:56:00 -
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1. By violating the EUlA your friend was cheating and got what he deserved for doing so
2. Your friend needs to pick his (RL) friends better if getting ahead in a game is more important to them than a friendship is.
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Golden Helmet
Caldari
The Diabolic Abstraction
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Posted - 2007.09.13 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
It's never too late. File a new petition, reference the old one and request senior GM escalation. Be prepared for a formal warning or temporary ban for account sharing, which you might get. However, you're very likely to get the character back. The other thing I meant to say is that I know this isn't your character but a friends and you're telling what you know of the story but don't assume any detail of it is true. I've had friends intentionally spin lies to me about a GM decision that I know for a fact wasn't true because I'd petitioned the same issue. It's disheartening but it happens.
I do realize that friends can distort the truth, if not out-right lie. I can only speak for the side of the story that I know and the facts I've been given. I'd love to see a statement from Ein, Ganja Labs, or Hydra Alliance here in this thread and hear their side of the story.
Originally by: Julien Mornier
2. Your friend needs to pick his (RL) friends better if getting ahead in a game is more important to them than a friendship is.
They weren't RL friends, but they had been playing Eve together for some time both as corpmates and simply chatting as friends after bringme2life left Ganja. They also played some other games together too I think, but I'm not 100% certain there. But regardless of all this, they were friends at least in-game, and it's certainly low that Ein did what he did.
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Julien Mornier
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Posted - 2007.09.13 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Julien Mornier on 13/09/2007 02:03:50
Originally by: Golden Helmet
Originally by: Julien Mornier
2. Your friend needs to pick his (RL) friends better if getting ahead in a game is more important to them than a friendship is.
They weren't RL friends, but they had been playing Eve together for some time both as corpmates and simply chatting as friends after bringme2life left Ganja. They also played some other games together too I think, but I'm not 100% certain there. But regardless of all this, they were friends at least in-game, and it's certainly low that Ein did what he did.
#edit: My regrets on using the RL tag. Friends are friends. Too often we forget that those that we interact with in the game are real people and not more complex NPCs provided for our amusement. The other player s are real, and so are the relationships
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Hanfred Kaderin
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Posted - 2007.09.13 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Julien Mornier
Edited by: Julien Mornier on 13/09/2007 02:07:24
Edited by: Julien Mornier on 13/09/2007 02:03:50
Originally by: Golden Helmet
Originally by: Julien Mornier
2. Your friend needs to pick his (RL) friends better if getting ahead in a game is more important to them than a friendship is.
They weren't RL friends, but they had been playing Eve together for some time both as corpmates and simply chatting as friends after bringme2life left Ganja. They also played some other games together too I think, but I'm not 100% certain there. But regardless of all this, they were friends at least in-game, and it's certainly low that Ein did what he did.
#edit: My regrets on using the RL tag. Friends are friends. Too often we forget that those that we interact with in the game are real people and not more complex NPCs provided for our amusement. The other player s are real, and so are the relationships
##edit: And, yes it was low. If you ever need a reminder of what scumbags most people are, play an mmo....or if you need a reminder of what great people some others are do the same.
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Krazy Jake
The Hieros Confederacy
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Posted - 2007.09.13 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Golden Helmet
I merely wish to place this in the light of the community, and hope that it'll discourage someone else from making my friends mistake.
Well thanks, though I doubt any of us here are that friggin dumb, and if any are, they don't deserve the account and should promptly turn all assets over to me.
"If someone angers you, try walking a mile in their shoes.
If your still angry, who cares. Your a mile away and you have their shoes." |
Dash Laserwing
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Posted - 2007.09.13 02:32:00 -
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EINHANDER IS A PIMP!
The old owner of Bringme2life is a god damn moron, woo woo. go cry about it ladies.
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Vaal Erit
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Posted - 2007.09.13 02:45:00 -
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1. ACCOUNT USERNAMES AND PASSWORDS
a. EVE Online account usernames must contain at least four alphanumeric characters, may not contain spaces or unconventional characters and must not be vulgar, obscene, ethnically, racially or sexually offensive or otherwise inappropriate.
b. EVE Online account passwords must contain at least four alphanumerical characters and may not contain spaces or non-standard characters.
c. EVE Online subscribers are responsible for protecting the confidentiality of their account information. Any authorized use of a subscriberÆs account by another individual is the responsibility of the account holder. The subscriber is responsible for the behavior of others who are permitted to use his or her account. Therefore, account holders are strongly urged not to share accounts or account information with others.
d. A subscriber who suspects an unauthorized person may have obtained access to his password should change it immediately by accessing his account profile.
e. Usernames cannot be changed; however, subscribers are urged to change account passwords at regular intervals as a precautionary measure.
Read part c especially
EULA:
"You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited. "
"A transfer or attempted transfer of a character is entirely at the risk of the parties to such transaction. CCP is not liable to any person (whether transferor, transferee or otherwise) for any acts, omissions, statements, representations, defaults or liabilities of the parties in connection with such a transaction. "
EULA offense can be banned but that's pretty serious, it sounds like the original owner got ownership back but not the characters. There must have been some argument and threats made by your friend or else the other guy would not have known to transfer the character asap.
Your friend sounds pretty screwed to be honest. Even though it is just a game, sharing personal details should not be trusted to a guy you met on the internet. Think about it like this, you could call someone dimwitted if they said this to you, "So I met this dude on a chat room on a game website and gave him my bank account to make sure it was ok and only buy a can of coke and I wake up 2 months later and he empties my account!"
The more I read the original post I think whinefest instead of legitimate problem. Keep friends and business separate and for the love of baby kittens don't share your account info, fairly no-brainer stuff that your friend should take as a life-lesson.
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Golden Helmet
Caldari
The Diabolic Abstraction
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Posted - 2007.09.13 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
There must have been some argument and threats made by your friend or else the other guy would not have known to transfer the character asap.
My friend did contact Ein before he petitioned to get his char back. When he refused to hand it over, my friend then threatened to petition, and still didn't get it back. Thats when the character transfer happened.
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Trinity Bella
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Posted - 2007.09.13 02:49:00 -
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Einhander for Prez.
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RedLion
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.13 02:59:00 -
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I never share any acc's with anyone I can not beat up IRL.
I don't have any IRL friends playing eve though..
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Julien Mornier
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Posted - 2007.09.13 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Julien Mornier on 13/09/2007 03:17:02
Originally by: RedLion
I never share any acc's with anyone I can not beat up IRL.
I don't have any IRL friends playing eve though..
#edit: Deleted
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Darriuss
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Posted - 2007.09.13 03:19:00 -
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i think the problem is in the character transfer rules. anyone can transfer a character with any credit card which opens the process up to scams, hacks, whtever other conspiricy theory we can think of. i can't understand why you don't need the original key to transfer the character. that way a scammer or hacker or whtever can't steal characters. sure it protects you against losing your acct, but wht good is your acct without any characters on it?
i am pleading with CCP to make character transfers more secure. make the original key or original credit card number necessary for a transfer, then generate a transfer key that is attached to that character that needs to be used to transfer the character again.
i quit for a couple of years, when i came back i was missing 2 characters, i look at my acct history and 2 different credit cards were used to transfer 2 different characters while i wasn't playing. nothing can be done becasue they can't prove that i didn't authorise the transfer. however if the original key was needed, or the original credit card number to transfer the characters, it probably wouldn't have happened.
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Dash Drayson
Caldari
Ganja Labs
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Posted - 2007.09.13 03:49:00 -
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My name is dash drayson, my corp is ganja labs.
And I can saw in public that anyone who expects someone else to pay for their account for 5 months and then give it back for free is dumb.
Thanks Helmet for telling half the story, thats only fair. 0.o
Einhander is the king of pimps. KEEP ON PIMPIN EIN!
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Merrick Solipsus
Modern Amusement
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Posted - 2007.09.13 03:51:00 -
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The moral of the story is: If youre going to steal an account, slip CCP 20$ (or whatever the transfer fee is) so you dont get in trouble.
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Twilight Interloper
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.09.13 04:04:00 -
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I was trusted with 69million isk the other day, which is a huge amount for me.
It never occured to me to break the trust.
ISK is virtual, trust isn't.
My opinion on people who betray a bond of trust is...well, they are simply lacking in qualities that make a good person, and nothing they gain from breaking trust can ever make up for that lacking.
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Saint Lazarus
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.13 04:43:00 -
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All I can say is W T F to teh GM's for not insta banning both =s
Sharing teh account is a banable offence im not surprised he didnt help im surprised no one was punished.
Just cause guy got cheated out shouldnt mean he gets special treatment from teh rules teh rest of us follow :P
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Drunken Ratbags Inc
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Posted - 2007.09.13 04:48:00 -
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Read the EULA
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Irob Urore
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.13 04:51:00 -
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thats human nature for you, hope this is a lesson for others. the only people i trust in the game are the ones i know in real life, its pretty hard to stooge someone when you see them almost everyday.
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Julien Mornier
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Posted - 2007.09.13 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Irob Urore
thats human nature for you, hope this is a lesson for others. the only people i trust in the game are the ones i know in real life, its pretty hard to stooge someone when you see them almost everyday.
Actually it's much easier because they are more trusting.
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Irob Urore
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.13 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Julien Mornier
Actually it's much easier because they are more trusting.
well there we have it, trust nobody live in a shell and die lonely.
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Julien Mornier
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Posted - 2007.09.13 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Julien Mornier on 13/09/2007 05:24:26
Originally by: Irob Urore
Originally by: Julien Mornier
Actually it's much easier because they are more trusting.
well there we have it, trust nobody live in a shell and die lonely.
Depends on your values and the trust that you have in your own judgement. Online or offline the relationships, risks, and value judgements are the same.
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