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Aaron	Posted - 2007.09.13 21:25:00 - [91] It sounds like the gm that dealt with this case is trying to make an example of your mate, Your friend made a pettition stating his case, the GM knew full well it was the character he was after, but he put back the account without the character, I think the GM should be flamed for rubbing salt into the wound, the GM should have just explained that your mate he cant get back the character and recommended it be raised with a senior GM, I can just imagine your mates heart sinking when he goes to open his reclaimed account and finds the character not there. Fair enough, the EULA does state clearly not to share any account, but come on its hardly a criminal offence asking your mate to keep your character going while you take a break. As for the character theif, your attitude sucks, and i dont know how u sleep at night.
einhander0004	Posted - 2007.09.13 21:47:00 - [92] Originally by: Aaron It sounds like the gm that dealt with this case is trying to make an example of your mate, Your friend made a pettition stating his case, the GM knew full well it was the character he was after, but he put back the account without the character, I think the GM should be flamed for rubbing salt into the wound, the GM should have just explained that your mate he cant get back the character and recommended it be raised with a senior GM, I can just imagine your mates heart sinking when he goes to open his reclaimed account and finds the character not there. Fair enough, the EULA does state clearly not to share any account, but come on its hardly a criminal offence asking your mate to keep your character going while you take a break. As for the character theif, your attitude sucks, and i dont know how u sleep at night. omg let me explain... again so you can understand READ IT THIS TIME DUDE : the character was GIVEN TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!! it was NOT stolen get that thru your head ... and the GM was following the rules fyi EULA sates that it's his responsibility and so he will not get his char back... BUT the EULA also sates that you cannot give an account away so the account it always his but the character, under the rules of EULA is now MINE BECAUSE HE GAVE TO ME AND I DON"T WANT TO GIVE IT BACK!!! so you understand now? no because you probly just go to every thread and post "bann them all" or "ban him" or something like that just going around sencelessly flameing everything for no reason.. play the game for cryin out loud
Usarua	Posted - 2007.09.14 00:20:00 - [93] Originally by: einhander0004 Originally by: Rikeka Bann them all. this is a rediculas post.... this is just a whole bunch of people yelling "bann them all" because they are bad at eve lost all their ships and have nothing better to do... unbelieveable you go girl!
Aaron	Posted - 2007.09.14 00:32:00 - [94] Originally by: einhander0004 Originally by: Aaron It sounds like the gm that dealt with this case is trying to make an example of your mate, Your friend made a pettition stating his case, the GM knew full well it was the character he was after, but he put back the account without the character, I think the GM should be flamed for rubbing salt into the wound, the GM should have just explained that your mate he cant get back the character and recommended it be raised with a senior GM, I can just imagine your mates heart sinking when he goes to open his reclaimed account and finds the character not there. Fair enough, the EULA does state clearly not to share any account, but come on its hardly a criminal offence asking your mate to keep your character going while you take a break. As for the character theif, your attitude sucks, and i dont know how u sleep at night. omg let me explain... again so you can understand READ IT THIS TIME DUDE : the character was GIVEN TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!! it was NOT stolen get that thru your head ... and the GM was following the rules fyi EULA sates that it's his responsibility and so he will not get his char back... BUT the EULA also sates that you cannot give an account away so the account it always his but the character, under the rules of EULA is now MINE BECAUSE HE GAVE TO ME AND I DON"T WANT TO GIVE IT BACK!!! so you understand now? no because you probly just go to every thread and post "bann them all" or "ban him" or something like that just going around sencelessly flameing everything for no reason.. play the game for cryin out loud no i dont flame everything for no reason, the OP said it was given to you with the understanding that youre to give it back if your "friend" returns forget the EULA and the GM's for a while. at no point did you request payment for your time spent on the character, nor were u prepared to negotiate something for the character, all i can see you saying is the account belongs to you. for this reason im flaming you. sometimes you cant always follow rules, u go with whats in your heart. if you aggreed to just looking after the character while your "friend" is away, then you should do the right thing and give it back. but yes the op has reinfoced my view of most people in RL and in eve, DONT TRUST THEM!!!!
nova strikin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.14 01:18:00 - [95] i gave sum 1 my credit card information over the introwebs, and they took mee stuffs , why would they take mee monies when i trusted them ober the introwebs what do you expect to happen even if he did "loan" the character to him?????? if he did loan the account info then it is natural selection. sounds like a dumb dumb. a more plausable story...... " gosh i hates getting pwned every day and hate eve ..... i quit !!!!!! you seem nice... since i will no longer be playing this game you can HAVE this account " the term indian giver comes to mind . no offense to indians . it is a figure of speach
einhander0004	Posted - 2007.09.14 01:32:00 - [96] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: einhander0004 Originally by: Aaron It sounds like the gm that dealt with this case is trying to make an example of your mate, Your friend made a pettition stating his case, the GM knew full well it was the character he was after, but he put back the account without the character, I think the GM should be flamed for rubbing salt into the wound, the GM should have just explained that your mate he cant get back the character and recommended it be raised with a senior GM, I can just imagine your mates heart sinking when he goes to open his reclaimed account and finds the character not there. Fair enough, the EULA does state clearly not to share any account, but come on its hardly a criminal offence asking your mate to keep your character going while you take a break. As for the character theif, your attitude sucks, and i dont know how u sleep at night. omg let me explain... again so you can understand READ IT THIS TIME DUDE : the character was GIVEN TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!! it was NOT stolen get that thru your head ... and the GM was following the rules fyi EULA sates that it's his responsibility and so he will not get his char back... BUT the EULA also sates that you cannot give an account away so the account it always his but the character, under the rules of EULA is now MINE BECAUSE HE GAVE TO ME AND I DON"T WANT TO GIVE IT BACK!!! so you understand now? no because you probly just go to every thread and post "bann them all" or "ban him" or something like that just going around sencelessly flameing everything for no reason.. play the game for cryin out loud no i dont flame everything for no reason, the OP said it was given to you with the understanding that youre to give it back if your "friend" returns forget the EULA and the GM's for a while. at no point did you request payment for your time spent on the character, nor were u prepared to negotiate something for the character, all i can see you saying is the account belongs to you. for this reason im flaming you. sometimes you cant always follow rules, u go with whats in your heart. if you aggreed to just looking after the character while your "friend" is away, then you should do the right thing and give it back. but yes the op has reinfoced my view of most people in RL and in eve, DONT TRUST THEM!!!! correction the account does not belong to me it be longs to the person who originaly paid for it, but the chacter bringmel2life now bleongs to me and both of those things follow the rules of the EULA perfectly so please stop wasteing your time flameing me when you don't even know what your talking about
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.14 01:38:00 - [97] Quote: Hydra Alliance lol Hydra
Aaron	Posted - 2007.09.14 10:54:00 - [98] Originally by: einhander0004 Originally by: Aaron Originally by: einhander0004 Originally by: Aaron It sounds like the gm that dealt with this case is trying to make an example of your mate, Your friend made a pettition stating his case, the GM knew full well it was the character he was after, but he put back the account without the character, I think the GM should be flamed for rubbing salt into the wound, the GM should have just explained that your mate he cant get back the character and recommended it be raised with a senior GM, I can just imagine your mates heart sinking when he goes to open his reclaimed account and finds the character not there. Fair enough, the EULA does state clearly not to share any account, but come on its hardly a criminal offence asking your mate to keep your character going while you take a break. As for the character theif, your attitude sucks, and i dont know how u sleep at night. omg let me explain... again so you can understand READ IT THIS TIME DUDE : the character was GIVEN TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!! it was NOT stolen get that thru your head ... and the GM was following the rules fyi EULA sates that it's his responsibility and so he will not get his char back... BUT the EULA also sates that you cannot give an account away so the account it always his but the character, under the rules of EULA is now MINE BECAUSE HE GAVE TO ME AND I DON"T WANT TO GIVE IT BACK!!! so you understand now? no because you probly just go to every thread and post "bann them all" or "ban him" or something like that just going around sencelessly flameing everything for no reason.. play the game for cryin out loud no i dont flame everything for no reason, the OP said it was given to you with the understanding that youre to give it back if your "friend" returns forget the EULA and the GM's for a while. at no point did you request payment for your time spent on the character, nor were u prepared to negotiate something for the character, all i can see you saying is the account belongs to you. for this reason im flaming you. sometimes you cant always follow rules, u go with whats in your heart. if you aggreed to just looking after the character while your "friend" is away, then you should do the right thing and give it back. but yes the op has reinfoced my view of most people in RL and in eve, DONT TRUST THEM!!!! correction the account does not belong to me it be longs to the person who originaly paid for it, but the chacter bringmel2life now bleongs to me and both of those things follow the rules of the EULA perfectly so please stop wasteing your time flameing me when you don't even know what your talking about I know exactly what im talking about, i meant to say character not account. its quite simple really, you made a verbal aggrement with your "friend" to put back his character if he retuns, you did not honor this aggreement, so therefore your attitude sucks, end of story.
Devious Dexter Gallente Red Light Enterprises Eastern Star Federation	Posted - 2007.09.14 12:00:00 - [99] Golden Helmet is a badass.
Honest Azaru	Posted - 2007.09.14 14:26:00 - [100] Originally by: Sm0kE Originally by: Venkul Mul The character switch should be reversed by a GM or senior GM as it was not done by the original owner. If the temporary user has paid some game time and he he has some of that remaning the original owner should have brought some GTC to compensate him. And how will you arrange that... See, it just gets too complicated. There should be no tolerance for idiocy. The guy was DUMB and gave someone (a "friend") his password to the account. End of story. The guy got an account to play with, why should be get paid for the time he played on it? Everyone whining about paying this thief (and he is a thief) back for the time he payed for needs to STFU. The thief isn't owed a dime.

Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.14 15:32:00 - [101] Edited by: Splagada on 14/09/2007 15:32:45 tag ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
DOC PIC	Posted - 2007.09.14 16:14:00 - [102] LOL GLAD I DONT HAVE FRIENDS AND YES I DO LIVE INA CAVE UNDER A BRIDGE..
cioran wyborowa	Posted - 2007.09.14 21:37:00 - [103] Edited by: cioran wyborowa on 14/09/2007 21:37:30 If your stupid enough to trust someone you cant asskick in real life then well, this happens... You don't even provide a timeline. If someone gave me their character, ****** off for a year which I paid for, whoes character is it really? Im sure this so called "thief" invested plenty into this char including time, account fees and probably ships/skills. Who knows what was said between these two characters on the initial transfer? Plenty of people remember things differently depending on their situation/perspective.
dor amwar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.14 22:08:00 - [104] Originally by: einhander0004 Originally by: Aaron Originally by: einhander0004 Originally by: Aaron It sounds like the gm that dealt with this case is trying to make an example of your mate, Your friend made a pettition stating his case, the GM knew full well it was the character he was after, but he put back the account without the character, I think the GM should be flamed for rubbing salt into the wound, the GM should have just explained that your mate he cant get back the character and recommended it be raised with a senior GM, I can just imagine your mates heart sinking when he goes to open his reclaimed account and finds the character not there. Fair enough, the EULA does state clearly not to share any account, but come on its hardly a criminal offence asking your mate to keep your character going while you take a break. As for the character theif, your attitude sucks, and i dont know how u sleep at night. omg let me explain... again so you can understand READ IT THIS TIME DUDE : the character was GIVEN TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!! it was NOT stolen get that thru your head ... and the GM was following the rules fyi EULA sates that it's his responsibility and so he will not get his char back... BUT the EULA also sates that you cannot give an account away so the account it always his but the character, under the rules of EULA is now MINE BECAUSE HE GAVE TO ME AND I DON"T WANT TO GIVE IT BACK!!! so you understand now? no because you probly just go to every thread and post "bann them all" or "ban him" or something like that just going around sencelessly flameing everything for no reason.. play the game for cryin out loud no i dont flame everything for no reason, the OP said it was given to you with the understanding that youre to give it back if your "friend" returns forget the EULA and the GM's for a while. at no point did you request payment for your time spent on the character, nor were u prepared to negotiate something for the character, all i can see you saying is the account belongs to you. for this reason im flaming you. sometimes you cant always follow rules, u go with whats in your heart. if you aggreed to just looking after the character while your "friend" is away, then you should do the right thing and give it back. but yes the op has reinfoced my view of most people in RL and in eve, DONT TRUST THEM!!!! correction the account does not belong to me it be longs to the person who originaly paid for it, but the chacter bringmel2life now bleongs to me and both of those things follow the rules of the EULA perfectly so please stop wasteing your time flameing me when you don't even know what your talking about characters belong to an account. the account is the container and therefor the char belongs to the the account. by your own admission you transfered a char from an account that did not belong to you. you stole from it. (funny that happened as soon as you found the owner wanted access to his account again.) 2 wrongs; he gave you access to his account, EULA violation; you used and stole from another's account, EULA violation. both accounts should be banned.
lin ta	Posted - 2007.09.14 22:24:00 - [105] Originally by: einhander0004 "2007.08.02 09:33 You are hereby warned to cease any and all forms of account sharing. Any further such activity on your account can and will lead to a permanent ban from EVE Online." for those that don't understand i got a warning from ccp that says if i ever log into someone elses account again my account will be perma banned again, you were told by ccp that if you enter somebody else's account you will be permaband. you then logged into the account to transfer a char after you had been warned. should be banned for that alone.
Golden Helmet Caldari The Diabolic Abstraction	Posted - 2007.09.14 22:27:00 - [106] Originally by: Devious Dexter Golden Helmet is a badass. Thank you for showing me exactly why not to fit two CCC's to my Crusader sigh
SilverCut Caldari Ganja Labs	Posted - 2007.09.14 22:48:00 - [107] I like the way the OP used the term "decided to QUIT the game" because this follows the other side of the story where he was GIVEN the char because his friend was leaving eve. From my understanding (tho 3rd party imput really is meaningless) there was no break of trust as there were no terms for return. Which really ask the question how can you steal something you are given? Your friend wasn't foolish for sharing his account info or GIVING his char to a friend BUT he was foolish for thinking he can just trun around after such a length of time and demand his char back. The GM's havn't taken sides the EULA states the orignal owner is always the owner (so he gets the account back) it also states that he is responsible for any consequences that happens should he give his account details to someone els (which he did and so is not the responsibility of GM's to put right for him).
Aaron	Posted - 2007.09.14 23:43:00 - [108] the OP clearly states there was a condition where if he comes back he wants his account and character back, I dont like the way the thief is quoting all this EULA nonsense, so your saying that the verbal agreement you had with your "friend" meant nothing? CCP should do the right thing and return the character to its rightful owner, If a friend of mine asked me to keep an eye on his character id have done it and returned it to him if he asked for it back. Does that make me stupid?
einhander0004	Posted - 2007.09.15 01:50:00 - [109] Originally by: lin ta Originally by: einhander0004 "2007.08.02 09:33 You are hereby warned to cease any and all forms of account sharing. Any further such activity on your account can and will lead to a permanent ban from EVE Online." for those that don't understand i got a warning from ccp that says if i ever log into someone elses account again my account will be perma banned again, you were told by ccp that if you enter somebody else's account you will be permaband. you then logged into the account to transfer a char after you had been warned. should be banned for that alone. wrong again, this thread is loaded with noobs and the mentally ******** that WAS the punishment i got for logging into his account after everything was said and done
einhander0004	Posted - 2007.09.15 01:55:00 - [110] Originally by: Aaron the OP clearly states there was a condition where if he comes back he wants his account and character back, I dont like the way the thief is quoting all this EULA nonsense, so your saying that the verbal agreement you had with your "friend" meant nothing? CCP should do the right thing and return the character to its rightful owner, If a friend of mine asked me to keep an eye on his character id have done it and returned it to him if he asked for it back. Does that make me stupid? dude i don't care what you think you don't have to believe me at all you don't have to believe anything but here are the facts quoted from the my account screen on the eve-online site when you login: "Account Ownership: The original owner of an account is firstly, the owner of the boxed CD key, and in case of online purchase the original creator of an account. Accounts can not change ownership. If you have received an account second hand, the original owner can still claim ownership of this account. Note that accounts transferred before May 18th 2004 are exempt from this rule, as account transfers were allowed before that time. Characters can be transfered through the Character Transfer service, to another valid account. This is the only valid procedure to attain ownership of an character. Passwords are the responsibility of the account owner. If a shared password leads to abuse of the account, it is the responsibility of the account owner and customer support cannot reimburse the loss." that says that the account is his but they *CANNOT* do anything about the chacter now go away this is pointless ccp's own rules says that's not gunna happen and ive already recieved a punishment for account shareing so this is all over you can go away now... bye bye

Vitrael Warriors of the Einherjar Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.09.15 01:58:00 - [111] This is a long topic considering it was just the story of some guy dumb enough to give someone else his account and expect to ever play his character again. -------------------- The day of the nos boat is over. The day of the frig is upon us!
Janet Marshall Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.15 02:02:00 - [112] Hey, I always knew Ganja has nice down to earth guys. But the way sm0ke and Dash are talking today i really think they have changed. I mean jesus has Hydra changed you that much youve turned into flame baiting *******s? Now back to topic. I dont think the orginal owner has any real claims unless he is prepared to fork over some cash (EULA VIOLATION \o/) so i gusse he could make an offer with isk. But to be perfectly fair the accounts should be at least temporary banned for the EULA violations.
Grawshellar	Posted - 2007.09.15 02:10:00 - [113] PROTIP: If you are sharing an account, steal the character and receive a warning, plus the character! **Assuming the information we've received from BOTH sides so far is correct.
Dessa DesPlains	Posted - 2007.09.15 03:05:00 - [114] Never trust anyone further than you can throw a cheesecake underwater.
Golden Helmet Caldari The Diabolic Abstraction	Posted - 2007.09.15 04:56:00 - [115] Originally by: Janet Marshall Hey, I always knew Ganja has nice down to earth guys. But the way sm0ke and Dash are talking today i really think they have changed. I mean jesus has Hydra changed you that much youve turned into flame baiting *****s? Think their forums posts are bad? You should see the ** Dash and Minigin convoed me with shortly after I made this thread
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.09.15 05:03:00 - [116] personal rule, never share an account with someone whos house you cant drive to and whup their ass and or burn their car.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.15 05:10:00 - [117] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker personal rule, never share an account with someone whos house you cant drive to and whup their ass and or burn their car. Exactly. Hell, all of my corp's directors are within driving distance of each other, so that if any one were to scam, the others could do the ol' sack-full-of-oranges routine.
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light Division of Eden	Posted - 2007.09.15 05:20:00 - [118] Originally by: Golden Helmet Originally by: Janet Marshall Hey, I always knew Ganja has nice down to earth guys. But the way sm0ke and Dash are talking today i really think they have changed. I mean jesus has Hydra changed you that much youve turned into flame baiting *****s? Think their forums posts are bad? You should see the ** Dash and Minigin convoed me with shortly after I made this thread Yea i used to have some respect for them. they are generally nice guys when i flew with them, very competent pilots has well. Gusse some of there newer members and alliance has had an effect on them. Oh well, i gusse more people in new eden i feel no guilt for shooting. Tacky Lensflares in sigs ftw
Lord Zoran Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.09.15 11:02:00 - [119] Edited by: Lord Zoran on 15/09/2007 11:02:14 tbh i think the character should just be transferred back as the account didnt actually belong to the person who done the transfer at that time, anyway anyone who goes on about the eula being broken are kinda going off the subject because the main point is that this does really show that you cant trust anyone or many people in eve which tbh is kinda sad lz --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!!
Gallente McNuggets	Posted - 2007.09.15 12:05:00 - [120] You gave someone else your login details. End of story.



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