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Leroy Payne	Posted - 2007.09.13 15:04:00 - [61] Originally by: Saint Luka It costs the price of 25 carriers. 25 carriers would be invulnerable in low sec (Easily around the same as a mothership if not more) just with a little more lag. People whine OMGPRICESHOULDNTBEANIWINBUTTON. Thank of it more laterally eh? 25 carriers requires 25 pilots jackass - eve has always been a game where teamwork and organisation goes a lot further than isk. 5 frigates are a threat to a cruiser. 5 cruisers a threat to a Battleship and so on. What offends in this case is the idea that anyone can be solo pwnman by virtue of the size of their wallet, in a way that even your gang of 25 carriers could do very little to stop. This is why nano battleships were nerfed - because they require no teamwork and offer almost 100% chance to escape after engaging- and all you needed to stop them was a huginn for god's sake. Why cannot people see that the mothership nerf is inevitable, and stop their silly tough-talk forum arguments?
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.09.13 15:06:00 - [62] Don't fly through Otou, or whatever the system was? Dunno, sounds pretty fair to me. There's omghundreds of entrances to low/0.0 that arent permaguarded. Improve Market Competition!
Postlatta Mouseanon Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.09.13 15:35:00 - [63] I tend to agree that empire space should be friendly to the newb.
Pakalolo Tha Shiznit	Posted - 2007.09.13 15:55:00 - [64] to me its not that Miz does this - that's fair enough I guess - its that the only retaliation possible requires a herculean effort of hundreds of pilots and massive intel. add miz to your addressbook. don't go near rancer/otou if he's on.
wictro	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:04:00 - [65] How effin hard is to avoid _one_ bloody MS in low sec? I've traveled a lot trough low, and i never , ever saw a smartbomb blasting MS. Whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine - is all you do. omg, newbs can't enter low sec! I have had no problems entering low sec, despite some basic occasional gatecamps. ever. It's not like there is a MS on every choke point, now is it? If there would be, they would gank each other. Even if everyone had skills for a MS, they surely won't have the isk / connections to obtain one. If there's anything fun in the game, you scream "nerf" F that. go miz, go! \o/
Leroy Payne	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:12:00 - [66] Edited by: Leroy Payne on 13/09/2007 16:14:42 Edited by: Leroy Payne on 13/09/2007 16:13:51 Originally by: wictro How effin hard is to avoid _one_ bloody MS in low sec? I've traveled a lot trough low, and i never , ever saw a smartbomb blasting MS. Whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine - is all you do. omg, newbs can't enter low sec! I have had no problems entering low sec, despite some basic occasional gatecamps. ever. It's not like there is a MS on every choke point, now is it? If there would be, they would gank each other. Even if everyone had skills for a MS, they surely won't have the isk / connections to obtain one. If there's anything fun in the game, you scream "nerf" F that. go miz, go! \o/ ok good argument. Let's wait until every chokepoint is camped by short sighted lamers in motherships having so much 'fun' afk smartbombing gates for their whorish killboard, and then do something about it - BECAUSE THE ESSENTIAL PROBLEM HERE THAT YOU FAIL TO GRASP IS NOT THE PIRACY ASPECT, NOT THE LAMENESS, NOT ANYTHING BUT THE LACK OF THE CORRECT TOOLS IN GAME TO COUNTER THIS THREAT. what else are we supposed to do but 'whine' when there is no way in-game to counter this? it's 'whiners' like us who help this game be developed into something playable, while people like you sit sniping on the sidelines, using all the latest forum cool-talk, adding nothing constructive whatsoever.
wictro	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:19:00 - [67] Edited by: wictro on 13/09/2007 16:24:12 Bring your own MS as a counter! ;) ye, i can understand the frustation, but is it really that common problem? And it DOES cost a HELLUVA lot of ISK. [confession] (and im afraid that once again, my long term plan is nerfed to usefulness, months before i got to that point) [/confession] :D EDIT: and if there ever comes a clear counter, i hope that it would require a LOT of ISK, people and planning. Near 10bil ISK vise. makes no sense that something that costs that much, and requires such long training and is hard to obtain, should be able to be countered by few friends on their casual night flight. They should need a fleet. How much damage does the MS do with the smarties? tank that, warp away. Shuttles nor frigates should not be able just to fly by.
kimish	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:20:00 - [68] i simply do not get why this is not a banneble offense? i mean: 1: it is harashing (to the new players.) banneble. 2: it is griefing. banneble. 3: it is exsploiting (since this was not the meaning of the system) banneble 4:fighting against concord (since out tanking sentries is actually fighting concord) banneble. there is properly a few others. so just freaking BAN this guy. not like he is contributing anything to the eve community by his insane acts of asswhiping. _____ _____ "When the moderators are gone, the trolls dances on the table."
kimish	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:22:00 - [69] Originally by: wictro Bring your own MS as a counter! ;) ye, i can understand the frustation, but is it really that common problem? And it DOES cost a HELLUVA lot of ISK. [confession] (and im afraid that once again, my long term plan is nerfed to usefulness, months before i got to that point) [/confession] :D so does a fully maxed faction fitted bs. can cost up to 10bill or so. does this mean that it should be unbeateble in low sec. i mean IMPOSSIBLE to take down without bringing an entire fleet to take care of it?! _____ _____ "When the moderators are gone, the trolls dances on the table."
Leroy Payne	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:24:00 - [70] Originally by: wictro Bring your own MS as a counter! ;) ye, i can understand the frustation, but is it really that common problem? And it DOES cost a HELLUVA lot of ISK. [confession] (and im afraid that once again, my long term plan is nerfed to usefulness, months before i got to that point) [/confession] :D bringing my own mothership does not prevent him from leaving. Nothing prevents him from leaving - that's the problem. He can agress without fear of consequence or reprisal, and that is just not the spirit of EVE that I have always enjoyed. hehe but respect for being honest with your confession. So few admit their own agenda behind their arguments so big hugs for that
wictro	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:27:00 - [71] Originally by: kimish 1: it is harashing (to the new players.) banneble. 2: it is griefing. banneble. 3: it is exsploiting (since this was not the meaning of the system) banneble 4:fighting against concord (since out tanking sentries is actually fighting concord) banneble. 1. random harrassing ain't bannable. 2. random harrassing ain't griefing. 3. It won't become an exploit if you say so. 4. Sentry != concord, and shooting concord wouldn't be bannable either. Escaping them is. Everyone and their clone is tanking sentry. \0/ make a new list. -wic
Buxaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:31:00 - [72] The problem with a Mothership or Titan only being able to go in 0.0 is the issue that some in some regions you cannot go to another region at all without traversing low sec. For instance in Delve to get to Fountain, you need to traverse Aridia or what have you. So being able to travel through low sec is something that we will always have to live with tbh. And I knew once they nerfed Motherships and Titans with the interdictor thing that low sec was going to be saturated with them because of said nerf. It sucks but meh, no big issue really. Let the dumb ass nuke shuttles if thats the way the kid gets his jollies "No matter where you go, there you are" - B
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:38:00 - [73] Someone should just jump into his camp with an alt in a hauler full of shuttles. Once he blows it up he'll be too lagged to do anything, meanwhile you just use autopilot to jump and warp.
wictro	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:43:00 - [74] Edited by: wictro on 13/09/2007 16:43:51 Originally by: Leroy Payne bringing my own mothership does not prevent him from leaving. Nothing prevents him from leaving - that's the problem. He can agress without fear of consequence or reprisal, and that is just not the spirit of EVE that I have always enjoyed. hehe but respect for being honest with your confession. So few admit their own agenda behind their arguments so big hugs for that We all have our personal problems / goals that affect our opinions. Few only think whats best for everyone. And if he jumps away, he's now a problem anymore, ain't he ;P EDIT: sorry, i sounded like an ass, didn't mean to! <3<3<3
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:59:00 - [75] Originally by: Saint Luka It costs the price of 25 carriers. 25 carriers would be invulnerable in low sec (Easily around the same as a mothership if not more) just with a little more lag. People whine OMGPRICESHOULDNTBEANIWINBUTTON. Thank of it more laterally eh? Eve doesn't work that way...I'd love to see you try and get 25 carrier pilots to camp low-sec. Just because I have the isk for hundreds of battleships doesn't mean I can buy a BS 100x more powerful than a normal one... Cost/effectiveness curve in eve is anything but linear.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:00:00 - [76] /me raises his 'Interdiction spheres in low-sec now!' sign :P Amarr Mineral Index
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:04:00 - [77] Well like i stated in another thread, mebbe it's time to remove supercaps from low sec? They seem awefully overpowered for low sec the sight of 3 MC Mommies parked outside my station in a 0.4 was enough to make me dock my poor lil carrier into the station and cower there like a lil girl i'm not ashamed to admit CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:05:00 - [78] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Okay, first we get a girl. A not-very-picky one. Then we introduce her to Miz. She'll have to pump him for a bit of information. She'll pretend to be interested in Eve. She'll ask to watch him play. Then, when he's doing his Battlestar Miz thing, she'll distract him!!! And then, my comrades, we STRIKE! Best plan till now, hands down. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Kritinana Minmatar Dark Empire Fleet	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:08:00 - [79] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Well like i stated in another thread, mebbe it's time to remove supercaps from low sec? They seem awefully overpowered for low sec Originally by: Buxaroo The problem with a Mothership or Titan only being able to go in 0.0 is the issue that some in some regions you cannot go to another region at all without traversing low sec. For instance in Delve to get to Fountain, you need to traverse Aridia or what have you.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:21:00 - [80] Originally by: Sm0kE Ummm, actually.. That's pretty damn dumb. Gotta be griefing. WTH is he getting out of doing that? ...probably some fat 12 year old eating Kentucky fried chicken just laughin' his ass off. I agree that this pudgy individual must be eating Kentucky Fried Chicken while playing EvE. However, I don't have a link to back this up unfortunately.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:49:00 - [81] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Okay, first we get a girl. A not-very-picky one. Then we introduce her to Miz. She'll have to pump him for a bit of information. She'll pretend to be interested in Eve. She'll ask to watch him play. Then, when he's doing his Battlestar Miz thing, she'll distract him!!! And then, my comrades, we STRIKE! Other'n'that, it's Nerf(bat) or Nothing. QFT! First feasible plan to kill a mothership in low-sec Alright, female gamers, any volounteers? It just takes 10s of him not watching to hit the 'self-destruct' button ;)
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:50:00 - [82] Originally by: Tharrn /me raises his 'Interdiction spheres in low-sec now!' sign :P Who'll go to low-sec then?
Ubik Null Minmatar The Ore House	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:50:00 - [83] That's just Miz. That's what he does, and from what I can tell that's about all he does. It's a shame, Otou is a nice system. At least that Ginger freak is gone now.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:59:00 - [84] Originally by: PawnStar Assasin Lo fellow eve addicts. For the past 15 mins I have watched a Nyx piloted by Miz Cenuij, a -10 char, sit on a gate in Otou with smartbombs fitted melting shuttle after shuttle swiftly followed by pod after pod as new players and alt scouts jumped into this one man gatecamp from hell. How can this be a feesable use for a 25bil ship, he's completly 100% safe (as dictors cant be used in empire) to sit there and kill noob after noob without any risk to his ship. Now i'm the first to admit i've killed a noob or two in my time and no doubt i'll kill a few more during my career but this is just plain stupid. This joker, "Miz Cenuij" is ranked 24 on Battleclinic. I'm not sure which is worse, the fact that he bothered to post 791 shuttle mails, 577 Rokie ships and 2001 pod kill mails or the fact that he got them in a 25billion ship. I would love to organise a cerimonial shove his ship up his own backside fleet by contacting every pilot he's posted as a kill on battleclinic but unfortunatly CCP you have given me no way of killing this ship in empire space. As you havn't given us a way to kill a nyx in low sec space prehaps you could suggest how we deal with this arse hat ? That is some seriously funny ****. Using a 25BN ISK ship to blow up shuttles... ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI Drones should not aggro anything missiles or turrets do not.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.09.13 18:03:00 - [85] Originally by: Amira Silvermist Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Okay, first we get a girl. A not-very-picky one. Then we introduce her to Miz. She'll have to pump him for a bit of information. She'll pretend to be interested in Eve. She'll ask to watch him play. Then, when he's doing his Battlestar Miz thing, she'll distract him!!! And then, my comrades, we STRIKE! Best plan till now, hands down. Distract him so you can strike? Delicious justice would be to distract him and set his Nyx to self destruct and then dismiss the dialog. ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI Drones should not aggro anything missiles or turrets do not.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.13 18:09:00 - [86] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Sm0kE Ummm, actually.. That's pretty damn dumb. Gotta be griefing. WTH is he getting out of doing that? ...probably some fat 12 year old eating Kentucky fried chicken just laughin' his ass off. because when you transport BPOS across the galaxy taking that 0.4 shortcut - you fly them across in the 'invunerable' shuttle. Well guess what... your insta warp insta jump shuttle aint so 'invunerable'. All the way it should be. Miz has setup his very expensive ship SPECIFICALLY to kill all the people who think they are unkillable.. the warp to zero shuttles. noob ships, intys etc. Good on him. SKUNK As fron the description of his action here and in other posts in the past is essentially: 1) place ship 2) click the smartbomb key so that the explode with the right frequence to have one every second or so 3) leave his ship there forever. I dubt he will get much from the smartbombed wrecks. And the pilots moving xpensive stuffi in shuttle don't use that gate as they are veterans that know this kind of things. He kill noob lured there by the autopilot, some disattentive people moving stuff afk and not noticing the red dot on the route and scouting alts. Useful for the killboard but not monetary rewarding. His action is monetary rewarding when he change area of action and set up a occasional gatecamp, not in a location gatecamped 22 hours every day.
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.09.13 18:12:00 - [87] lol Miz He has pretty much taken over as king noob griefer now Ginger and Tiller are gone. It makes me lol tbh. Can't say I would not do the same every now and then if I had a mom.
wictro	Posted - 2007.09.13 18:20:00 - [88] Originally by: Venkul Mul He kill noob lured there by the autopilot, some disattentive people moving stuff afk and not noticing the red dot on the route and scouting alts. those all deserve to die anyways :)
Ragnar Darkmane	Posted - 2007.09.13 18:30:00 - [89] Am I to assume that all those supporting a invulnerable MS camping lowsec would also support a hauler that is immune to ECM and gatecamp scramming? Seems only fair that if Pirates get a ship immune to ECM/Scram that Carebears do as well.
Rizzy Amarr Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.13 18:39:00 - [90] Miz is a top geezer, why everyone pick on him, hes only having fun, i guess you cant please everyone

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