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Lux Exterior Gallente The School of Fine Art	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:59:00 - [1] Is it just me, or does the nerfbat whistle across the back of my knees every time I think I've got my training properly organized. I appreciate that many of the older players have there skills so broadly spread that it is only a minor inconvenience to them, but many younger players like me spend months specializing to try and level the playing field a bit.
Peanut Swsh Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:03:00 - [2] instead of continually switching training for the latest i-win button, pick one thing you will enjoy flying, and train for it.
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Peanut Swsh instead of continually switching training for the latest i-win button, pick one thing you will enjoy flying, and train for it. what this guy says. its a good example to train for at least 2 races, so when one is inevitably nerfed, the other is probably ok still. people do tend to follow best ship classes, then soon as they can fly them they are nerfed.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:51:00 - [4] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 13/09/2007 17:51:18 Originally by: Peanut Swsh instead of continually switching training for the latest i-win button, pick one thing you will enjoy flying, and train for it. This. Of course, people want to train for the I-Win buttons. You know, did you ever stop to consider why you're training for it? ;) Yeees, that's why they're nerfing it.
Dheorl	Posted - 2007.09.13 19:38:00 - [5] I think its more that you train for something thinking its bog standard, you just like it then before you know it its become FOTM and boom, the bat comes in the direction of an innocent person out trying to enjoy himself. Well thats what I find to be the case anyways.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Dheorl I think its more that you train for something thinking its bog standard, you just like it then before you know it its become FOTM and boom, the bat comes in the direction of an innocent person out trying to enjoy himself. Well thats what I find to be the case anyways. Oh, yes, that's why we have so many people moaning they trained for the Curse and now it doesn't make sense Everyone just thought it was bog-standard. Riiiight...
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:05:00 - [7] I fly only Caldari, and I joined after they got nerfed. If we get nerfed again, well, the only way to make us worse is to delete us all together
Ararius EP0CH Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Peanut Swsh instead of continually switching training for the latest i-win button, pick one thing you will enjoy flying, and train for it. Qft again. I fly 3 Races of ships up to BC (And Caldari BS because I used to mission spam <.<). My friends are always like, "ARAR STOP SPLITING UP AND SPEC ALREADY DAMNIT!!!!" but I play for fun. The omgwftbbq that comes with what I do for fun is just a + Owning isnt everything you know, ya gotta have fun! (And fly ships that visually pleaseing) Im ugly, just look at my face!
Xarax Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:23:00 - [9] This is why you pick the biggest underdog race in the game, and train the hell out of it. Do not divert your path...ever. When the others are being nerferd, you can sit back and say, "What are they b!tching about?". _______
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:28:00 - [10] You gotta fake em out, make it out like you are buying a mothership and voila, bubble buff.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Mass Destruction.	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Xarax This is why you pick the biggest underdog race in the game, and train the hell out of it. Do not divert your path...ever. When the others are being nerferd, you can sit back and say, "What are they b!tching about?". lol, that's my philosophy as well. I love nothing more than to read all the posts of complaining after broken things become nerfed :). It makes it all worth wild that it was broken in the 1st place.
Djerin Obsidian Exploration Services	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Peanut Swsh instead of continually switching training for the latest i-win button, pick one thing you will enjoy flying, and train for it. This. Training for the FOTM (flavour of the month) will result in nerfs after a few month. Has been like this since first year of EVE. You'd be better off trying to predict the next FOTM. ---- Sarmaul's crosstrainorgtfo
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:43:00 - [13] My advice is to stick to yours guns, I started training Minmatar about 2 years ago and despite them being good at pvp now through game tweaking, they werent back when I decided to train them, they were the underdogs along with Amarr, which still happens to be on the poor side. Your best bet is to specialize in a single race, pick one you like and you'll stick too. Then train that race up so you can use the t2 weaponary, have all/most of thier t2 ships and have them trained to an above par level. You'll find this opens the doors to other races anyway in the long run, I only need to train a cruiser to level 5 and I can use that race's HACs, Recons, Logistics, Command Ships and whatever else uses that level 5. I still would prefer my specialized skilling though. I'd prefer training Command ships level 5 over another cruiser 5 and its racial weaponary for instance. And nothing has ever been hit with the 'nerfbat' that it made it completely useless to train imo, so if you like what your using atm stick to it. Your going to be a very diluted player in the long run, that isnt necessary better than most people at a certain thing. Like me, I plan to get excellent leadership skills, and thats what my character, at the end of the day, will be better at most the people in EvE at. Not many people can say they have a maxed out Skirmish gang bonus. Just like there wont be many pilots with Recon 5 and maxed out ECM skills, and of course the point of all this is, these pilots will still be extremely effective at what they specialised to do even if it does get nerfed.
Shiodome	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:49:00 - [14] Edited by: Shiodome on 13/09/2007 20:50:28
Maeltstome Minmatar Caldari Navy Raiders Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Peanut Swsh instead of continually switching training for the latest i-win button, pick one thing you will enjoy flying, and train for it. QFT - Train minmatar
Azrael Maxim Flexible Demeanour	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:58:00 - [16] If you have enough patience just train for everything and you will be unnerfable
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.09.13 21:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Big Al You gotta fake em out, make it out like you are buying a mothership and voila, bubble buff. Along these lines, I'm thinking of training Gallente skills up, just to make sure they get nerfed hard. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Hyakuchan Hyakucorp	Posted - 2007.09.13 21:11:00 - [18] There is only one constant in EVE, and that's that the Apoc is no good at anything. Everything else is in transition. But yeah, as has been said... EVE is all about the quest to find something worth nerfing, abusing it until people complain, and then complaining about the nerf that ensues. -------------------------------------------------- FRIGATS Coalition FREGE-Red-IAC-Goon-AAA-Tau-Southerncross "We gonna beat you with frigats."
Oravainen Tuomas	Posted - 2007.09.13 21:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Hyakuchan There is only one constant in EVE, and that's that the Apoc is no good at anything. Everything else is in transition. It appears you haven't been around very long. The apoc was, for a long time, the most desirable ship in the game.
ZeroSector	Posted - 2007.09.13 22:05:00 - [20] yeah it was when i first started the poc was a beast then just as i got in 1 the raven took the crown but i stuck with amarr and since that day iv still been waiting for it to rise again and 1 day ill have a nice ship for a few months until the bat comes around again if there is one thing you can be sure of the nerf bat is like the seasons its gonnna come like it or not just live with it when it does
AntonioBanderas	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:13:00 - [21] well, gallente has evaded the dreaded nerfbat quite successfuly
Ashaz Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Peanut Swsh instead of continually switching training for the latest i-win button, pick one thing you will enjoy flying, and train for it. i am unsure how yo managed to missread "spend months specializing to try and level the playing field a bit" into "continually switching training". I know why I went for the curse, 7 months ago. it seemed like a damn cool ship to fly. it looks good and was specialized for nos and drones. something I've been using since day one. sad to say that I have joined the big crowd and now go for a huge tank and passive weapons. __________________________________ Gallente by birth. Amarr by choice. iDrone
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:32:00 - [23] Stop worrying about where the nerfbat's swingin' and just train up what you like. When you get clipped by it, power through. Constantly training for whatever the latest craze is just setting yourself up for disappointment. I'm an Amarr laser specialist, at this point capable of flying most of the ships, and I have no intention of changing my skill training path despite the fact that CCP secretly hates the Amarr. I fly 'em because they're shiny... And for off the wall "You think your race has it bad? Well, let me tell you a little something about EM damage..." counter-whines.
Ren Tales Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:44:00 - [24] I branched out at first for the fun of it... Trained all non-amarr (a note here: when I first started cross training, Amarr didn't suck. I didn't decide not to train them due to all the Amarr whines, I chose not to train them because I don't like their combat style) up to battleship and played around with them all a bit. Trained all three races t2 frigs up, played with those for a while... Then I decided that (for the most part) caldari arn't my style. So I flew Gal and Min for a while... I finally decided that minmatar were my thing, so I trained up for the Sleipnir. Currently finishing off t2 large ACs/Arty for my other love, the Maelstrom. My spread out skills have benefited all 3 races, but specialization has now made my minmatar ships especially uber. Play around with different ships and races, then find one you like and specialize. FOTM ships are far overated. ---- Bloodmoney is recruiting
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Azrael Maxim If you have enough patience just train for everything and you will be unnerfable Oh, no, he found out my secret plan _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.14 09:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Xarax This is why you pick the biggest underdog race in the game, and train the hell out of it. Do not divert your path...ever. When the others are being nerferd, you can sit back and say, "What are they b!tching about?". Hehe - Michael Schumacher won many a formula one race. Alot of the time he didn't win because he had a better car...he won because HE WAS A BETTER DRIVER and because he used SUPERIOR TACTICS.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.14 09:23:00 - [27] What other people said. Speccing really is not all that people make it out to be. I have been spreading my skills wildly over all four races pretty much from day one, and never regretted it. T2 large weapons are really only needed for fleet battles and solo PvP, both things that I have no interest in. I can fly all BS at lvl4+ in every relevant skill and I would say I am doing great. Imho being able to fly pretty much every T1 ship there is, always using the one most suitable for the job at hand, beats being able to fly only a very limited selection of ships 15% better than nonspecced chars. And saves you a lot of whining when the nerfbat comes your way. As for T2 ships, I got an alt for those There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Kur'Dekaija Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.09.14 09:25:00 - [28] Originally by: AntonioBanderas well, gallente has evaded the dreaded nerfbat quite successfuly hey allow us to shine a bit, I started training gallante when I started, I have sticked to it and now its finally paying off. I trained for gallante when the amarr and minmatar had their lows full of unstacked dmg mods. I trained for gallante when the caldari had their "hit everything with full dmg" missiles. Ive been through it all so bahahahah on you who whine about gallante.
Idaeus Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.14 09:32:00 - [29] Originally by: AntonioBanderas well, gallente has evaded the dreaded nerfbat quite successfuly Eh, that's because we've had to deal with drone idiocy on a much wider scale then anyone else. I still have drones that get stuck on objects, or decide that it doesn't want to return to my drone bay. Just sits outside your ship saying "But I don't wanna!"
Toppar Wear 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.09.14 09:35:00 - [30] I took minmatar because they where the underdogs and could choose their damage.. But damn i was wrong, they were ****e .. But its really paying off now, I got nearly maxed skills for all the t2 minmatar ships being a little nano boy Now im training up gellente.. Eventhough they are gonna hit them with the nerfmobile next patch I enjoy the close range fighting and drone mricomanagement..
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 09:38:00 - [31] Train whatever you feel more comfortable flying. Like i love the stabber alot. If my stabber got nerfed, id prove the general public wrong in the fact that it still works very well, and laugh in your face. Prove everybody wrong.
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2007.09.14 10:31:00 - [32] If you don't over specialise you shuld be fine. I decided early on to leave my options open as much as possible and every nerf proves the wisdom of the decision. I got Amarr cruiser 5 and could fly a curse just as the nos nerf hit. Pity. However it also meant I could fly a sacrilege just as it got boosted. Nice. A little flexibility beats absolute specialisation 9 times out of 10.
Herring Pimpology Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.09.15 05:35:00 - [33] Edited by: Herring on 15/09/2007 05:36:15 double post
Herring Pimpology Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.09.15 05:36:00 - [34] Originally by: slothe Originally by: Peanut Swsh instead of continually switching training for the latest i-win button, pick one thing you will enjoy flying, and train for it. what this guy says. its a good example to train for at least 2 races, so when one is inevitably nerfed, the other is probably ok still. people do tend to follow best ship classes, then soon as they can fly them they are nerfed. This strategy hasn't worked so well for me with caldari/gallente...they can't seem to stop the nerfing.
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.09.15 05:55:00 - [35] i was planning on skilling up my gunnery a lot (aka sharpshooter, traject analysis, motion predict, surgical strike, and a tech 2 tree) and then do the 30ish days to get t2 guns of another race and the 20ish days for another cruiser 5. and get myself a new hac, recon, logistic, and command ship :D and get all the specs to 4. most things are more equal then you may think. although yes a few ships are quite awesome in comparison. but everything can be countered in someway. just bring a bigger blob (just kidding everyone)
Ashen Wraith	Posted - 2007.09.15 08:20:00 - [36] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Dheorl I think its more that you train for something thinking its bog standard, you just like it then before you know it its become FOTM and boom, the bat comes in the direction of an innocent person out trying to enjoy himself. Well thats what I find to be the case anyways. Oh, yes, that's why we have so many people moaning they trained for the Curse and now it doesn't make sense Everyone just thought it was bog-standard. Riiiight... the curse is still quite useable and soloable.. thank you..
Krulla Minmatar Miner Protection Guild	Posted - 2007.09.15 08:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Peanut Swsh instead of continually switching training for the latest i-win button, pick one thing you will enjoy flying, and train for it. This.
Mira O'karr	Posted - 2007.09.15 08:54:00 - [38] Originally by: slothe train for at least 2 races, so when one is inevitably nerfed, the other is probably ok still. train minmatar. that way you have to train 3 races at once. it will take long but it will put you on the safe side :P
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.09.15 09:27:00 - [39] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 15/09/2007 09:30:54 Stick to your guns, I've flown Gallente Cruisers and Battleships all the way, no desire to start cross training (or yet train these 'T2' whiz-bang flying machines ). If you keep cross training, you'll inevitably be distinctly average at everything. ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.09.15 10:31:00 - [40] Do what I'm doing and train for both Caldari and Amarr, two of the most gimped racial ship families (T1-only ship basis) in the game. Sooner or later one or the other will get a boost, and the other two races will get the nerfbat. Either way, FOTM-based ships/setups will almost always get the nerfbat. Just look at ECM, unstacked nano/inertia stabs, upcoming changes to damps, etc. - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
mallina Caldari Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.15 13:44:00 - [41] Edited by: mallina on 15/09/2007 13:45:36 Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Dheorl I think its more that you train for something thinking its bog standard, you just like it then before you know it its become FOTM and boom, the bat comes in the direction of an innocent person out trying to enjoy himself. Well thats what I find to be the case anyways. Oh, yes, that's why we have so many people moaning they trained for the Curse and now it doesn't make sense Everyone just thought it was bog-standard. Riiiight... sad but true. How many Gallente pilots do you know who trained Amarr solely for the Curse/Pilgrim? (and NO laser skills) I've lost count Same with everyone who trained Minmatar to fly a Nanophoon with no projectile skills, or the people who are, right now, diving into Vagabond training when they're only a month old and will probably moan if/when the Mass-increaser modules ever get implemented :P ---
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.15 14:30:00 - [42] Fly what you want to fly, damn the nerfbat. A good, high-SP, experienced pilot can make even the sucky ships do a good job. And the Curse, for instance, despite being nerfed with NOS, can still energy neut down most carriers' cap recharge if you have a ship cap Xfering you. It's still highly viable, just requires different tactics (Curse + Auguror/Guardian = your foes are out of cap). Personally, I'm training a lot of the background skills which apply to many ships before I start branching out from my current Gallente frigates to battlecruisers. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Tuomas Oravainen Caldari Rosvosektori Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.17 22:12:00 - [43] Edited by: Tuomas Oravainen on 17/09/2007 22:12:55 Originally by: Oravainen Tuomas It appears you haven't been around very long. The apoc was, for a long time, the most desirable ship in the game. Who are you?
Vitrael Warriors of the Einherjar Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.09.17 22:13:00 - [44] Originally by: Lux Exterior Is it just me, or does the nerfbat whistle across the back of my knees every time I think I've got my training properly organized. I appreciate that many of the older players have there skills so broadly spread that it is only a minor inconvenience to them, but many younger players like me spend months specializing to try and level the playing field a bit. Stop flying the flavor of the month and you won't get nerfed. I suppose good nerfbat insurance would be training Amarr. -------------------- The day of the nos boat is over. The day of the frig is upon us!
goodby4u Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.17 22:20:00 - [45] Originally by: Xarax This is why you pick the biggest underdog race in the game, and train the hell out of it. Do not divert your path...ever. When the others are being nerferd, you can sit back and say, "What are they b!tching about?". amarr 4tw __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Igualmentedos	Posted - 2007.09.17 22:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 15/09/2007 09:30:54 Stick to your guns, I've flown Gallente Cruisers and Battleships all the way, no desire to start cross training (or yet train these 'T2' whiz-bang flying machines ). If you keep cross training, you'll inevitably be distinctly average at everything. Well DUH! You have the best race trained up of course you didn't train another race. What, are you going to downgrade to Caldari?
Kye Kenshin Martial.	Posted - 2007.09.18 00:16:00 - [47] When I started I stuck to gallente even though they sucked hard at the time and Amarr were king. But I didnt care that amarr were uber, i enjoyed flying gallente so i stuck with them and eventually they became the best race to fly. Even in the future when gal are nerfed to hell and back ill still fly em. Although cross training a second race its a good idea too, i've branched into minmatar because I like the style. -------------------------------------- Join Martial\|Beagle Corp Museum
Katharina Gorbacheva Amarr Soviet Star Federation Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2007.09.18 00:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Toppar Wear I took minmatar because they where the underdogs and could choose their damage.. But damn i was wrong, they were ****e .. But its really paying off now, I got nearly maxed skills for all the t2 minmatar ships being a little nano boy Now im training up gellente.. Eventhough they are gonna hit them with the nerfmobile next patch I enjoy the close range fighting and drone mricomanagement.. Heathen.

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