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General Myx	Posted - 2007.09.15 12:22:00 - [1] Hey, I have to ask. What did they nerf this last few months? It seems my 1400MM's do hardly any damage these days. I run missions and used to snipe the faeces out of npc's. Now it takes forever to break their tanks. Are the arties nerfed or did the resists of the npc's go up. that seems unlikely because my ravendriving teammates noticed no changes in damage output. I train more and more gunnery skills but i keep doing less and less damage.. I suddenly suck as a damage dealer... 6x 1400MM arties 2x something 2x tracking comp. 1x sensor booster and more somethings 1x signal amp. 2x tracking enhancers 3x gyro's It seems CCP changed some numbers somewhere. But where?
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.15 12:38:00 - [2] Tbh the damag of arties was always subpar. And there has not been any change as far as I can tell. My arties still do the same merdiorce damage they always did, and NPCs have the same resists they have had for the past 20 months. Maybe you loaded the wrong ammo? And which NPCs? There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
General Myx	Posted - 2007.09.15 12:51:00 - [3] nope, Same ammo, same guns, same npc's... I did perfect hit's of upto 1800 damage with that setup a few months ago. Now i hardly get hit's over 400 points... if i am lucky that is. usually less and lesser. somewhere a multiplier got stuck...
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.15 13:47:00 - [4] I got pretty much same feeling. But not with arties. You could easily break any caldari navy thing with cerb 1year ago. Now, same setup is almost like p1ssing in the wind(ab+point blank works well, but it used to be reliable from any range) But maybe just more defender spam as far as missiles are concerned.
General Myx	Posted - 2007.09.15 13:53:00 - [5] More weird stuff CCP does not inform us about... the famous stealth nerfs perhaps. but my damage output was halved when 2.2 was implemented. I'll make a bug report.
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.15 14:23:00 - [6] I think what may have happened is that there are a lot less rats in missions, but they became a lot tougher to reduce lag. I don't know for sure, though. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Lrrp Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange	Posted - 2007.09.15 14:28:00 - [7] Now that you mention it I used to get 1200+ wreckings with 1400's on my maelstrom. That was months ago. Started using it again and did 4 or 5 missions and nothing over 600...on anything. Guess I'll keep a closer watch.
General Myx	Posted - 2007.09.15 15:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Acoco Osiris I think what may have happened is that there are a lot less rats in missions, but they became a lot tougher to reduce lag. I don't know for sure, though. That was an announced change that all runners had noticed. Some missions had a rat change... no biggy. What i mean is what Lrrp also noticed: A LOT less damage output on arty's for no apparent reason. I'm using all low slots on damage mods and now a raven out damages me in missions after that accursed 2.2 patch. no tank and no damage for arty user's it seems. I petitioned this so ill put the answer in this thread... 3 more patches with stealth nerfes will pass before that happens i'm afraid.
Unaralas Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.09.15 16:08:00 - [9] Haven't gotten in my 1400pest in a while; but I'm sure that if my Wolf's 280s can get over 700 from wreckings, then 1400s can do a darn side better. ______________________
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.09.15 16:51:00 - [10] I've noticed something odd on a number of occasions: namely, the hits sometimes do only half damage for the same hit type. For instance, one excellent hit will inflict 800 damage, but the follow-on shot (vs. the same resists, and also an excellent hit) will inflict half that. This bug (or whatever it is) largely robs 1400's of the alpha strike that's supposed to make them worthwhile, and lowers their DPS even further. Anyone else noticed the same thing? -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
El Da The Scope	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:29:00 - [11] A months ago I was flying myself a Mealstrom and a Tempest with 1400mm - I was quite shocked how low my alpha strikes were. I trained Target Prediction up to lvl 4 and I fitted 2 tracking computers on a tempest and tried them on every single class ship in the missions. No succes and I switched to Autocannons now. If this is really a bug, I wonder why ccp didn't saw this before.
Enigmier	Posted - 2007.09.15 18:59:00 - [12] not wanting to go against the grain in this thread but.. ive been using 1200`s on my maelstrom and tbh i dont have any problems killing stuff, seems to rip through most targets in a respectable time, havnt tried the 1400`s though so cant realy comment on those
Ecky X The Aforementioned United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.15 23:43:00 - [13] I get 1800+ wreckings on my Tempest... You guys must be flying Maelstroms, which have more guns but lack the Tempest's damage bonus. -----
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.09.15 23:53:00 - [14] Haven't you noticed missions have become tougher? Since they changed the missions with the need for speed and implemented Lv5... I haven't noticed the damage, but I sure tank worse now than what I did before!! - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
trouser boy The Eve Pacification Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.16 12:13:00 - [15] Obviously, one of the whiners from the other thread posting with an alt.
adriaans Amarr Advanced Capital Ship Designs	Posted - 2007.09.16 13:24:00 - [16] i've also noticed less damage and a harder time tanking.. --sig-- Knowledge is power!
Happster Polaris Project	Posted - 2007.09.16 13:53:00 - [17] Last weekend i used my pest with 1400 guns. Made a few really nice wrecking hits. 2600++ But this was on a pos. Maybe they changed the speed of the mission ratts or the orbit range on you.... Both those things would affect how your arties hit / dont hit or do average damage...
Lili Lu Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships	Posted - 2007.09.16 15:06:00 - [18] I've noticed reduced damage with the 1200s on my phoon and the tachs on my abaddon. Tachs used to hit for over 1000, now i'm lucky to see 600 on perfect hits. The 1200s are doing rediculously low damage now. Conversely, the cruises on the phoon seem unaffected, if not better (although i did train another 2 levels of that skill that gives 2% to all missiles, but woopdedoo that 4% should be so noticeable). And, i haven't noticed any increase in defenders from the rats. My concern is that if this is not a bug, and is an intended change, it will only reinforce the plague of mission ravens, which i hope CCP is not trying to reinforce (?)
Empire marketslave	Posted - 2007.09.16 16:22:00 - [19] remember a few patches ago they wanted battles to last longer so the buffed HP of ships and they also made rat harder a few patches after that so you are doing the same damage just a smaller percent of thier hp so its less damage over all
General Myx	Posted - 2007.09.17 10:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Empire marketslave remember a few patches ago they wanted battles to last longer so the buffed HP of ships and they also made rat harder a few patches after that so you are doing the same damage just a smaller percent of thier hp so its less damage over all Raven drivers should be affected too then ? they are not affected the way only 1400MM users are. Do read above posts again. answer on petition: GM DuoDuo says: "As far as we know there is no change about Minmatar guns in the latest patches." They don't know... but 1400MM users "did" get shafted. I think indeed that they don't know. They just mess up some stats somewhere and see what happens. Well my damage output is now suddenly pathetic. Do fix it.
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle	Posted - 2007.09.17 10:36:00 - [21] I fly minny more or less only but with the way missions look now i might go to a raven as missions seem to be taking a fair bit longer now. I droped the 1400's gona try 1200's if they don't do any better gona use a raven. !
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:01:00 - [22] Tbh i can do higher wreckings with my 800mm repeaters than i do with 1400mm arties. But maybe its just because i suck :\ -------------- Who dares to mod my sig?!
SgtDeaux	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:24:00 - [23] I have a machariel and ive noticed no change in the damage.. ill load up the fleet tempest tonite and post any findings.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Stork DK Tbh i can do higher wreckings with my 800mm repeaters than i do with 1400mm arties. But maybe its just because i suck :\ I suck too, but my damage on my arts are worse than before also. I dropped them and put ACs on instead since at least they did something... Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:59:00 - [25] Petition much? --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Lili Lu Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships	Posted - 2007.09.19 03:13:00 - [26] Originally by: General Myx Originally by: Empire marketslave remember a few patches ago they wanted battles to last longer so the buffed HP of ships and they also made rat harder a few patches after that so you are doing the same damage just a smaller percent of thier hp so its less damage over all Raven drivers should be affected too then ? they are not affected the way only 1400MM users are. Do read above posts again. answer on petition: GM DuoDuo says: "As far as we know there is no change about Minmatar guns in the latest patches." They don't know... but 1400MM users "did" get shafted. I think indeed that they don't know. They just mess up some stats somewhere and see what happens. Well my damage output is now suddenly pathetic. Do fix it. I think this problem is affecting all long range guns, arty, beams and rails, but not short range guns and not missiles. Really not good that they acknowledged a problem but don't seem to think it is important.
Aterna Talon's Grasp	Posted - 2007.09.19 06:56:00 - [27] perhaps it is because of the t2 ammo nerf? T2 long range ammo damage was dropped across the board, and tracking penalties implemented. load up some regular ammo that is close to the pre-nerf t2 LR ammo and see how you fare, perhaps. I'm sure there are some people out there with charts that show how much dps has decreased. Also, Minmatar close range guns were improved to hit harder but fire slower, so that's why 800's might do more damage. close range gun, close range ammo, vs long range gun, long range ammo. - - - WTB new sig, evemail me please.
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.09.19 08:30:00 - [28] Yeah - you aren't using T2 ammo for missions... are you? - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 08:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Ecky X I get 1800+ wreckings on my Tempest... You guys must be flying Maelstroms, which have more guns but lack the Tempest's damage bonus. I got a 2300 once and only 1900 ones for a while. I see 2800+ ones in peoples' bio, so, I do think there's a problem somewhere.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.09.19 09:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Ecky X I get 1800+ wreckings on my Tempest... You guys must be flying Maelstroms, which have more guns but lack the Tempest's damage bonus. I got a 2300 once and only 1900 ones for a while. I see 2800+ ones in peoples' bio, so, I do think there's a problem somewhere. +2800? You sure that wasnt before the stacking nerf? They i fit all my lows with gyrostabs days. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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