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Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:46:00 - [61] Originally by: Vim Edited by: Vim on 07/10/2007 02:40:08 Running multiple clients is definetly something I hope will work as good or preferably better then it does now with T2. Now, my main problem here is the gfx card, I could be bothered less about eye candy but I hope DX8 compability mode will still make use of the card more and not just the cpu? I'am at the end of my mainboard basicly :P If I need to upgrade gfx card I basicly need to upgrade mainboard, which means new cpu, which means new ram, which means new... you see where my already strained wallet is going? Starcraft and EVE be my main usage of computer beyond surfing the web, now with 'nix client coming along I seriously consider finaly ditching windows completly since I have no need for it ^_^ Do you have an AGP 2/4x slot? Because if its 8x and you dont have SM3 you are not at the end of your motherboard. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:57:00 - [62] Actually id like to hear what you have to say about these so I don't buy something stupid... (remember this is a get me by for agp board under 100 bucks) Its passive cooled but my comp has plenty of airflow and its about 2 feet from wall AC in my office. (im not looking to overclock) Gigabyte 7600gs and this one Sapphire x1650pro Both are on the link saying they use 3.0 so hopefully both should work. Both In the reviews people said they ran bf2 and such games well. Wont be the top end but hopefully it will work.
Vim Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:59:00 - [63] Edited by: Vim on 07/10/2007 03:03:24 Man, now your saying stuff I dont understand lol. While I do understand computers on the software side I have no resemblance to knowledge of the past couple of years unfoldings in hardware, which is why I trust others. Ehm, basicly it might've been me being unclear Ill try to rephrase what I've been told to do with my rig: I cant upgrade my cpu any more on my current mb. I could get a card that is working with t2. But, that card would not be compatible with an upgrade to a new generation mb. So, in essence: Get a card that works with newer tech but wont work on my next mb=pay for one brief soloution to my problems and then need to pay for a new one when I upgrade it all(mb, cpu, ram, gfx). Gets expensive so fast >_< edit: Does that seem plausible? Or have ppl been giving me hot air just to get me to spend money? lightbulb Why dont I just ask my dad sigh I forget he is there nowdays since we dont see eachother often :P /* Whats a guy got to do to get a smile off around here */
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 03:19:00 - [64] Yea basically.. if you upgrade to a SM3 capable AGP card right now, that same card wont work on any future motherboard you get. So its either get an AGP card for now and waste some money on another GPU that uses PCIe when you get a new mobo, or just wait and save up for a new mobo and PCIe GPU.
Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:03:00 - [65] Yeah I bought a shader 3 card. Hopefully it will tide me over until next year when I upgrade the entire system. Im broke now but I should be ready for rev III and thats what matters! I can probably play the bio shock now as well . Loved my old x800 but ccp put the final nail in that coffin. Thanks again for the link explorer helped a lot.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:51:00 - [66] Originally by: xKlone Z New to Eve, been playing 2 weeks now. Seriously wondering why people have so many accounts? I've played MMO's for years and I understand in certain MMO's you use multiple accounts to 'box' other characters/classes for certain buffs or maybe a sell shop. But in Eve... why? Well one reason is to play "catch up" with older players. Within a year, you can be pretty well maxed out in a given non-capital ship-class; but a 3 year old account can be maxed in many more (A lot of the first year is learning & support skills overhead). So with 2+ accounts, you can have access to a greater range of skills much sooner. You can also optimise yr stats (so lots of PERC & WILL for your combat main, lots of INT & MEM for your science/industry alt, lots of CHA for your corp management/trade/leadership bonus alt, etc. So instead of getting an average of, say, 1900 SP/hr on your "rounded" main", you're getting 3x 2200 SP/hr on your 3 accounts. After a year, you've accumulated ~60M SP instead of 16-17M. And then you have functions like scout alts, cyno alts & such which pretty much need to be on a second account. Running 3 accounts costs about me ú1 a day. Pretty trivial really, considering the amount of time I devote to it. There is an element diminishing returns though. I'd have to be a lot more interested in industry or spying to justify more than 3 accounts - I don't really spend a whole lot of time logged in to the 3rd... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Nureoeis	Posted - 2007.10.07 17:54:00 - [67] I thought the new engine supported DX10 also.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 18:01:00 - [68] Originally by: Nureoeis I thought the new engine supported DX10 also. Thats later on.
Helison Gallente Times of Ancar Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:47:00 - [69] Just to get this correct: With a card without SM 3.0 we will have to get a 1.3GB client, but we won¦t get any graphical improvements? Bad news

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:02:00 - [70] Originally by: Helison Just to get this correct: With a card without SM 3.0 we will have to get a 1.3GB client, but we won¦t get any graphical improvements? Bad news No, without SM3 you will only have to download a 15-30 MB update with the new Trinity graphics engine and the new code for the expansion.

Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Elite	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:09:00 - [71] Edited by: Blane Xero on 07/10/2007 23:12:11 Hmm i have no idea what all these technical explinatiories say, so i'll just ask since explorer is here. Would my nVidia Geforce 7600GS be sufficient to run the DX9 SM3 or whatever content? its listed on the list you reffered to on the valve page, second highest, but i personally became clueless after loading up the page as to what it all means Welcome to EvE
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:18:00 - [72] Yep that works. Anything that is a NV 6 Series (6200, 6600, 6800, etc) or ATI X1k (x1200, 1600, 1800, etc) series or newer will work.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.08 00:45:00 - [73] Originally by: Bloss0m Actually id like to hear what you have to say about these so I don't buy something stupid... (remember this is a get me by for agp board under 100 bucks) Its passive cooled but my comp has plenty of airflow and its about 2 feet from wall AC in my office. (im not looking to overclock) Gigabyte 7600gs and this one Sapphire x1650pro Both are on the link saying they use 3.0 so hopefully both should work. Both In the reviews people said they ran bf2 and such games well. Wont be the top end but hopefully it will work. Well they will be slower than your current card in other games, but if eve is your thing then the 7600GS is not THAT much worse and is compatable. The x1650pro is a bit slower than the 7600GS. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.08 00:56:00 - [74] Just one thing I have to add; WHY??? This looked as if it would have been the one thing that rescues my gaming experience, and now I find out that I have no hope of playing eve smoothly for the next year or so. ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.08 02:37:00 - [75] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 08/10/2007 02:38:36 whoops --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.08 02:38:00 - [76] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Just one thing I have to add; WHY??? This looked as if it would have been the one thing that rescues my gaming experience, and now I find out that I have no hope of playing eve smoothly for the next year or so. It sounds like it wont be that hard (7600GS or similar should be fine), its the DX10 engine that may need a little more grunt --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.08 03:03:00 - [77] Originally by: Arana Tellen Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Just one thing I have to add; WHY??? This looked as if it would have been the one thing that rescues my gaming experience, and now I find out that I have no hope of playing eve smoothly for the next year or so. It sounds like it wont be that hard (7600GS or similar should be fine), its the DX10 engine that may need a little more grunt That's the problem, My computer stats; AMD Sempron 64, 3000+ (754 socket) 1Ghz DDR (133 IIRC but unsure)Ram. ATI Radeon 9600 pro. Windows XP pro SP2. Dual Screen, (I flatly refuse to go to a lower resolution for Eve now, widescreen allows me to have a better overview of the situation, chat channels etc) Questions? ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.08 03:10:00 - [78] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Originally by: Arana Tellen Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Just one thing I have to add; WHY??? This looked as if it would have been the one thing that rescues my gaming experience, and now I find out that I have no hope of playing eve smoothly for the next year or so. It sounds like it wont be that hard (7600GS or similar should be fine), its the DX10 engine that may need a little more grunt That's the problem, My computer stats; AMD Sempron 64, 3000+ (754 socket) 1Ghz DDR (133 IIRC but unsure)Ram. ATI Radeon 9600 pro. Windows XP pro SP2. Dual Screen, (I flatly refuse to go to a lower resolution for Eve now, widescreen allows me to have a better overview of the situation, chat channels etc) Questions? Get a fully fledged A64 s754 (they should be quite cheap) and an x1950pro, maybe some more ram and that system will fly --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.08 03:12:00 - [79] Arena, I would point you to my edit, I kinda forgot to add that before... Sorry mate. ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.08 04:57:00 - [80] I <3 my 6800gt.
syphurous Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.08 05:25:00 - [81] Edited by: syphurous on 08/10/2007 05:24:50 Originally by: Arana Tellen It sounds like it wont be that hard (7600GS or similar should be fine), its the DX10 engine that may need a little more grunt Its not a Directx 10 client FFS its an upgrade to DX9 ! ___ Too Many Anchored Cans
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.08 05:36:00 - [82] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Case Micoud What will be the minimum requiremnts for EvE on trinity 2? All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. As in those without a card supporting SM3 (Ati 9600XT 256mb here..) will not be able to use the new higher poly models and textures? Shouldn't the SM3 be about the glitzy shiney sparkely stuff thats applied to the textures and models and not the actual models or textures themselves? Plz clarify.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.08 06:07:00 - [83] Originally by: Ealiom Try running two DirectX hardware enabled games at once on your computer. Hardly fluid is it. Three EVE clients and then on another monitor playing Tabula Rasa. All settings maxed up and stuff. No lag and hi FPS count. Perhaps time to buy a new computer, yes? It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Polonium 210	Posted - 2007.10.08 07:03:00 - [84] I wonder if GeForce 7600go will be enough for the Trinity? As it is impossible to change video in my laptop :(
Max Hardcase Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.08 07:06:00 - [85] G7600go is good. Its basically a 7600GS variant.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.08 09:08:00 - [86] Originally by: Kuolematon Ontopic: Did CCP drop "Vista is MUST" from their Trinity2 upgrade? I swear I read somewhere that you have to have Vista AND DX10 to enjoy new engine? We decided to do the first phase of the new Trinity engine by supporting DX8 and DX9 SM3 this time around. A future phase will then be DX10 support. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Horace Friendly GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.08 09:26:00 - [87] alright now just to clarify this because i've gotten a bit confused: regardless of whether i'm using dx8 or dx9, the engine will still rely more on the graphics card and not be so processor intensive anymore right? so even though my x800 xl only has 2.0b shaders and i'll be playing in dx8 mode, it will still run better than it does now right?
Selene Bork Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.08 09:49:00 - [88] Wow I can`t wait, my sexy 8800gts says bring it on ccp Trinity 2.0 engine. me Selene drools
Leonidas Rex Amarr FM Corp Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:11:00 - [89] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: Ealiom Edited by: Ealiom on 17/09/2007 14:04:54 More importantly and something Nobody else seems to be asking is how will the new client fare when multiple accounts are in use. I have 5 accounts. I'm most comfortable using 3 accounts at once even though with the current client I can run all 5 at once. When the new client comes will i be limited to 2 accounts.........1?!?! I don't fancy paying for accounts I can't use! Good point, I have 5 accounts also and can run all 5 on one box at one time. If the engine restricts by lag or coding the use of multiple accounts on one box, I'm going to be an unhappy customer. Im sorry guys, just because you are nuts and run 5 Eve accounts on the same computer at the same time doesnt mean that all of us do the same. I want fancy graphics and effects and I hope the new Trinity 2 engine will make the game so pretty my computer almost cant runt it, and thats on 1 account ;) Super pretty graphics and 1 account at a time is what the game should be made for, otherwise you guys can always go and buy 4 more computers.. Besides you will probably be able to set the graphics to "super ugly" and then you can probably run 5 accounts anyways. :)
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:14:00 - [90] CCP Explorer, would it be possible to get a clarification on this: Will all directX 9 cards that do not support SM3.0, i.e. radeon 9600, 1.) have to run EVE with the old models? Or... will Trinity 2.0 be 2.) gradually downward compatible? (i.e. switch off advanced shaders but still enjoy fancy new highpoly normalmapped models) I expect this to be a question of widespread concern. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!

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