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Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Jaabaa As pretty as all of these screen shots are, I have to ask myself if Trinity II will dump a load of the load on to the GPU (be it DX9 or DX10) ? Will Trinity II help with client lag ? Is it addressing sound accelerator issues ? I get 127 FPS on the "HL2:Lost Coast - Video Stress Test" with 1680x1050 resolution, 4 x MSAA, 4 x anisotropic filtering and all detail options set to high. I really hope that all this additional detail won't cause even more lag. Please, please, tell me EVE wil get smoother with the next patch. The idea is that it will be better optimised than the current engine, so it should run smoother. But I think we'll just have to wait and see --------------------------- Signatures are for the weak.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Case Micoud What will be the minimum requiremnts for EvE on trinity 2? All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Nito Musashi	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:44:00 - [33] And did not one dev interview say that you could run the new client in dx8 or dx9 depending on your pc or personal preference. If true you should have np running 2 3 or 5 clients at the same time on the same pc if you are willing to sacrifice eye candy. Or you can run out get a quad core 64 bit os throw in 4 to 8 gig of ram and a few 8800 cards and run 3 or 4 dx9 clients. since i have np running bioshock and another game at the same time on my c2d and 2 gig of ram.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:52:00 - [34] Originally by: benzss Originally by: Ealiom Edited by: Ealiom on 17/09/2007 14:04:54 More importantly and something Nobody else seems to be asking is how will the new client fare when multiple accounts are in use. I have 5 accounts. I'm most comfortable using 3 accounts at once even though with the current client I can run all 5 at once. When the new client comes will i be limited to 2 accounts.........1?!?! I don't fancy paying for accounts I can't use! 5 accounts what the hell isn't that a hint to get a life already the money you spend on 3 of those accounts is enough for an evening at the pub jesus christ the number of people sing muliplie accounts is about.... 5% of the community, ... that's a lot of people :( ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:55:00 - [35] Originally by: Kelron Queldine Originally by: Jaabaa As pretty as all of these screen shots are, I have to ask myself if Trinity II will dump a load of the load on to the GPU (be it DX9 or DX10) ? Will Trinity II help with client lag ? Is it addressing sound accelerator issues ? I get 127 FPS on the "HL2:Lost Coast - Video Stress Test" with 1680x1050 resolution, 4 x MSAA, 4 x anisotropic filtering and all detail options set to high. I really hope that all this additional detail won't cause even more lag. Please, please, tell me EVE wil get smoother with the next patch. The idea is that it will be better optimised than the current engine, so it should run smoother. But I think we'll just have to wait and see Not only better optimised but moved to the GPU instead of all cpu graphics, thus those with a slower computer but nice/semi-decent GPU will enjoy higher speeds. I have approx 72 FPS on Hl2 stress test with my computer, each screen showing the same screen but both accelerated, it is a Radeon 9600 pro, no overclocking, and eve has if I am lucky 35 in station, granted over both screens and windowed but it should still not slow so much, btw, full screen is not much better. ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
Blind Man Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:25:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Case Micoud What will be the minimum requiremnts for EvE on trinity 2? All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. SM3.0 is required? the end is near
Rawr Cristina Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:29:00 - [37] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 07/10/2007 00:29:13 5 accounts seems just silly, I have 2 and it's more than enough for my needs, but I would like to know if EVE would grind to a halt running 2 with the new engine or if I could do it smoothly like I can now? Only have a 7600 GT videocard, although E6400 dual core cpu... -----
Azrael Maxim Flexible Demeanour	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:38:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Case Micoud What will be the minimum requiremnts for EvE on trinity 2? All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. It would be excellent if at some point people can start to test this out on sisi, so they can make a decision if they need a new graphic card at all.
Corvus Anderran Ignis Ferroque	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:48:00 - [39] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Case Micoud What will be the minimum requiremnts for EvE on trinity 2? All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. Whoa, SM 3.0? Please say that's just for a HDR option or something?

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Corvus Anderran Originally by: CCP Explorer All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. Whoa, SM 3.0? Please say that's just for a HDR option or something? The client will be switchable between the DX8 and DX9SM3 content. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:37:00 - [41] Well i guess that means the min for the DX9 client is a NV 6 series or ATI X1k series.
Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:41:00 - [42] So will my x800 ati card see any of the new graphics? I do not believe it has pixel shader 3.0 even though it can run most things in dx9 great

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:44:00 - [43] There is a nice survey here with a breakdown of various video cards. Look for the text "Cards which default to DirectX 9 Shader Model 3 Path on Source". Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:48:00 - [44] Thanks for the link although looks like im screwed on the new graphics content then.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:48:00 - [45] Originally by: Bloss0m So will my x800 ati card see any of the new graphics? I do not believe it has pixel shader 3.0 even though it can run most things in dx9 great Shader model 3 has a lot of stuff letting you do more for less effort so would seem like the way to go. Want to know the best gfx card for your money? www.futuremark.com is your best bet. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:51:00 - [46] Dont choose a card based on results on a benchmark site.. Go read reviews instead. People always OC their GPUs, CPUs, and memory to try and get the highest score. So review sites are the best bet for performance out of the box, not a site with a bunch of numbers :\
Jaala Creed	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Bloss0m Thanks for the link although looks like im screwed on the new graphics content then. You can get a videocard thats more then enough for 100-120 dollars on newegg.com
Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:00:00 - [48] Aye newegg is where im searching now. If I cant find a agp card Ill have to upgrade everything and thats something I was going to hopefully hold out on (cant afford currently) for a while longer.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:00:00 - [49] Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 07/10/2007 02:00:38 Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 07/10/2007 01:59:57 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130274 Theres a nice 7800GS for 120 bucks after rebate. EDIT: nvm you need AGP... EDIT2: LOL nvm that IS AGP.. wow i didnt know they had AGP versions of 7800s
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:03:00 - [50] Originally by: Phoenix Lord Dont choose a card based on results on a benchmark site.. Go read reviews instead. People always OC their GPUs, CPUs, and memory to try and get the highest score. So review sites are the best bet for performance out of the box, not a site with a bunch of numbers :\ You will find there one of the best forums ever for getting advice on what to get. People who really know what they are talking about --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:04:00 - [51] ah the forums? never thought of that. I usually stick to the forums at www.guru3d.com
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:05:00 - [52] ocing your video card has way more risk than reward, i mean u max oc a video card your looking at a few frames per second at best unless your at the bare min and 2 or 3 fps more means a game will run smooth for you compared to stock. now overclocking your processor and ram thats another matter entirely. but i think anyone is insane to pay for a factory overclocked card that probably at best adds maybe 2 fps over the stock version and costs more than a stock. but to not overclock some processors on the other hand like say c2d is just a crime.
Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:08:00 - [53] Yeah well at least I know now I can get a card agp that works with my mobo and will work with the upgraded graphics engine. Really don't want to spend a ton on a card though as I was going to buy one for dx10 later next year. So just going to find one that will get me by on the new eve client with decent fps. Maybe ill get lucky finding one for under 100 :-p if not I suppose I can skip eating here and there lol sigh
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:12:00 - [54] Well I would go for either: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161071R or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814241041 (if you are not into open box) Gives the 7800 a good spanking, even beats the 7900GS --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Nito Musashi ocing your video card has way more risk than reward, i mean u max oc a video card your looking at a few frames per second at best unless your at the bare min and 2 or 3 fps more means a game will run smooth for you compared to stock. now overclocking your processor and ram thats another matter entirely. but i think anyone is insane to pay for a factory overclocked card that probably at best adds maybe 2 fps over the stock version and costs more than a stock. but to not overclock some processors on the other hand like say c2d is just a crime. What risk is there? Just dont be stupid and let your card overheat, know the signs of over heating and lower the speeds before something actually happens. And i got FAR more than just 2-3 FPS when i OCed my R9800P, although i havent tried it with my 8800GTS yet. Also, no one said anything about getting a factory OCed card :p
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:28:00 - [56] Originally by: Nito Musashi ocing your video card has way more risk than reward, i mean u max oc a video card your looking at a few frames per second at best unless your at the bare min and 2 or 3 fps more means a game will run smooth for you compared to stock. now overclocking your processor and ram thats another matter entirely. but i think anyone is insane to pay for a factory overclocked card that probably at best adds maybe 2 fps over the stock version and costs more than a stock. but to not overclock some processors on the other hand like say c2d is just a crime. Na, I got a 10-15% increase with my 2900xt (which is already HOT to begin with). All that changed is the fans turn up a bit louder. It's not too risky, because it's really obvious when a GPU is overheating/overstressed, little dots and lines start showing in graphics.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:33:00 - [57] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 07/10/2007 02:34:20 Originally by: Phoenix Lord Originally by: Nito Musashi ocing your video card has way more risk than reward, i mean u max oc a video card your looking at a few frames per second at best unless your at the bare min and 2 or 3 fps more means a game will run smooth for you compared to stock. now overclocking your processor and ram thats another matter entirely. but i think anyone is insane to pay for a factory overclocked card that probably at best adds maybe 2 fps over the stock version and costs more than a stock. but to not overclock some processors on the other hand like say c2d is just a crime. What risk is there? Just dont be stupid and let your card overheat, know the signs of over heating and lower the speeds before something actually happens. And i got FAR more than just 2-3 FPS when i OCed my R9800P, although i havent tried it with my 8800GTS yet. Also, no one said anything about getting a factory OCed card :p Hmz well I voltmodded my 9800pro got it to around 500mhz core and 450mhz (900 DDR) ram. That was the sweetest card ever, 9800pro on the xt PCB and downmarked hynix chips that ran much higher than they say they did . But I digress, GFX overclocking is just like any other overclocking, this is where a benchmark tool like 3dmark comes in reallly handy. Raise the clocks a small bit at a time, check the benchmarks for artifacts/instability. Back off a little when you get said instability/artifacts and you have your max overclock, anything between that and stock should be fine. I have not needed to overclock my 8800GTS simply because it plays everything with 4x AA and 8x AF just fine (1440x900) Plus, my C2D is running as in my sig 24/7 What's perhaps not obious is its a micro ATX system and very small --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:36:00 - [58] Disclaimer: Volt modding is dangerous, please dont do it without knowing your stuff --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Vim Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:39:00 - [59] Edited by: Vim on 07/10/2007 02:40:08 Running multiple clients is definetly something I hope will work as good or preferably better then it does now with T2. Now, my main problem here is the gfx card, I could be bothered less about eye candy but I hope DX8 compability mode will still make use of the card more and not just the cpu? I'am at the end of my mainboard basicly :P If I need to upgrade gfx card I basicly need to upgrade mainboard, which means new cpu, which means new ram, which means new... you see where my already strained wallet is going? Starcraft and EVE be my main usage of computer beyond surfing the web, now with 'nix client coming along I seriously consider finaly ditching windows completly since I have no need for it ^_^ /* Whats a guy got to do to get a smile off around here */
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:45:00 - [60] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 07/10/2007 02:51:15 Originally by: Bloss0m Edited by: Bloss0m on 07/10/2007 02:38:24 Well I have managed to find a couple cheapish (under 100 usd) cards that should run the new eve client and bf2 well so I'm happy. Now I just have to convince the wife that the computer will blow up taking half the house with it if the graphics card isn't replaced by sometime in November (which my birthday is Nov. 15th so i can use that as a backup plan) all because of pixel shader 3.0 shakes head Please say what they are Anything less than an 7600GT is going to be a slower card in other aplications. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.

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