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Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:09:00 - [1] CCP, can I ask gently for an updated devblog about this (likely) wonder? oh and post brand new pics of it, not the ones we've seen already. --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
Case Micoud	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:45:00 - [2] What will be the minimum requiremnts for EvE on trinity 2?
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:04:00 - [3] Edited by: Ealiom on 17/09/2007 14:04:54 More importantly and something Nobody else seems to be asking is how will the new client fare when multiple accounts are in use. I have 5 accounts. I'm most comfortable using 3 accounts at once even though with the current client I can run all 5 at once. When the new client comes will i be limited to 2 accounts.........1?!?! I don't fancy paying for accounts I can't use! ModelsBlackbird Executioner
Boonaki Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Ealiom Edited by: Ealiom on 17/09/2007 14:04:54 More importantly and something Nobody else seems to be asking is how will the new client fare when multiple accounts are in use. I have 5 accounts. I'm most comfortable using 3 accounts at once even though with the current client I can run all 5 at once. When the new client comes will i be limited to 2 accounts.........1?!?! I don't fancy paying for accounts I can't use! Good point, I have 5 accounts also and can run all 5 on one box at one time. If the engine restricts by lag or coding the use of multiple accounts on one box, I'm going to be an unhappy customer. Fear the Ibis of doom! 113
Sleepkevert Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: Ealiom Edited by: Ealiom on 17/09/2007 14:04:54 More importantly and something Nobody else seems to be asking is how will the new client fare when multiple accounts are in use. I have 5 accounts. I'm most comfortable using 3 accounts at once even though with the current client I can run all 5 at once. When the new client comes will i be limited to 2 accounts.........1?!?! I don't fancy paying for accounts I can't use! Mweh, loads of EVE people use multiple accounts, CCP would be cutting them selfs in the fingers if they don't test multiple account usage first. Also, the new client is supposed to run smoother then the current one (that is, if you are running anything newer then a p2 300mhz with an ati rage3d pro chip) Good point, I have 5 accounts also and can run all 5 on one box at one time. If the engine restricts by lag or coding the use of multiple accounts on one box, I'm going to be an unhappy customer. Sign my sig
Dialorah	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:33:00 - [6] They did say they won't be discontinuing the current client, so you'll still have that option.
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Sleepkevert Mweh, loads of EVE people use multiple accounts, CCP would be cutting them selfs in the fingers if they don't test multiple account usage first. Also, the new client is supposed to run smoother then the current one (that is, if you are running anything newer then a p2 300mhz with an ati rage3d pro chip) It is the move to graphics hardware that has the potential of really REALLY ballsing it up! Try running two DirectX hardware enabled games at once on your computer. Hardly fluid is it. The situation may well be different and the new client is coded with this in mind. But Nobody has asked and no response from CCP regarding the new client has stated that it will run easily with multiple clients! An official word on this would be great! ModelsBlackbird Executioner
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.17 16:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Sleepkevert Originally by: Grimpak oh and post brand new pics of it, not the ones we've seen already. like... these? old ones and some are even screenshots of current engine. --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
Maceross horizons GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.17 17:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Dialorah They did say they won't be discontinuing the current client, so you'll still have that option. Dialorah ftw
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.09.17 17:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Dialorah They did say they won't be discontinuing the current client, so you'll still have that option. The current client will go the way of the dinosaurs. What is going to happen is there will be 2 clients for all to use, a DX9 for all the "old skool" players with not exactly current hardware and a DX10 client which is newer and will come along later. Unless you have links to prove me wrong, in which case I will weep in the corner for an hour... ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.17 18:03:00 - [11] postponement till december, and then till febuary. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.09.17 18:06:00 - [12] just so that i dont have to make a new thread, when id trinity 2 scheduled to be released? ----------------------------------------------- ya cant stop the rokh and no i have not nor will i ever contribute anything constructive to your thread
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.17 18:12:00 - [13] Edited by: Cornucopian on 17/09/2007 18:12:02 ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.17 18:12:00 - [14] Edited by: Cornucopian on 17/09/2007 18:13:45 Originally by: Arvald just so that i dont have to make a new thread, when id trinity 2 scheduled to be released? november; oh and how about checking up on dev blogs and player news centre. small hint for CCP: perhaps merging player news and dev blogs to a portal after a char logs in would be handy since you release news via both formats? ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.09.18 01:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: Ealiom ... I have 5 accounts. I'm most comfortable using 3 accounts at once even though with the current client I can run all 5 at once. When the new client comes will i be limited to 2 accounts.........1?!?! ... Good point, I have 5 accounts also and can run all 5 on one box at one time. If the engine restricts by lag or coding the use of multiple accounts on one box, I'm going to be an unhappy customer. Wtf is wrong with you guys? Holy crap!
Grapez	Posted - 2007.09.18 01:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Dubious Drewski Wtf is wrong with you guys? Holy crap! Agreed. If you can't have fun playing Eve with one account (and the two alt-slots that come with it), you can't have fun period. @º¬íí-T«+ºH for all your political humor needs
Roast Bifcurtains	Posted - 2007.09.18 01:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Grapez Originally by: Dubious Drewski Wtf is wrong with you guys? Holy crap! Agreed. If you can't have fun playing Eve with one account (and the two alt-slots that come with it), you can't have fun period. Unless you're uber and your buying GTC's with your uber isk, you're paying around $75/month TO PLAY A VIDEO GAME. Do you have to remove all mirrors from your house to be able to live with yourself? Jesus H. Christ! ================================================ Endless Love
syphurous Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.18 02:00:00 - [18] It all comes down to Ego stroking no ? After the first two, your just doing it to make yourself feel important right ? ___ Too Many Anchored Cans
xKlone Z	Posted - 2007.09.18 02:35:00 - [19] New to Eve, been playing 2 weeks now. Seriously wondering why people have so many accounts? I've played MMO's for years and I understand in certain MMO's you use multiple accounts to 'box' other characters/classes for certain buffs or maybe a sell shop. But in Eve... why?
BIind Man	Posted - 2007.09.18 02:47:00 - [20] if u want to run multiple accounts then use the old gfx...?
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.18 02:48:00 - [21] i'm also hoping for an update on the new graphics engine and more screenies
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.09.18 04:19:00 - [22] Dev blog please on Trinity 2, and how it'll affect multiple client holders as well. Got a couple of friends who are interested, and not only myself - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Spooky Mooky Minmatar Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.18 22:26:00 - [23] http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/15380/PC/EVE-Online
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.09.18 23:18:00 - [24] Originally by: Cornucopian postponement till december, and then till febuary. this is correct ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.09.19 00:00:00 - [25] They idea is to continue Oveurs blog, which was about the November expansion, with a series of more detailed blogs about the parts of this expansion. I can't really say when these blogs will come but I would assume at least one will be about Trinity 2 since that's a big part of the expansion. Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Tyr Ragnarok	Posted - 2007.10.06 22:50:00 - [26] have u seen those new trinity 2 screens
JADE DRAG0NESS Dark Scorpions Fate Weavers	Posted - 2007.10.06 22:51:00 - [27] Originally by: Tyr Ragnarok have u seen those new trinity 2 screens Yes. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.06 22:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Sleepkevert Edited by: Sleepkevert on 17/09/2007 14:18:37 Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: Ealiom Edited by: Ealiom on 17/09/2007 14:04:54 More importantly and something Nobody else seems to be asking is how will the new client fare when multiple accounts are in use. I have 5 accounts. I'm most comfortable using 3 accounts at once even though with the current client I can run all 5 at once. When the new client comes will i be limited to 2 accounts.........1?!?! I don't fancy paying for accounts I can't use! Good point, I have 5 accounts also and can run all 5 on one box at one time. If the engine restricts by lag or coding the use of multiple accounts on one box, I'm going to be an unhappy customer. Mweh, loads of EVE people use multiple accounts, CCP would be cutting them selfs in the fingers if they don't test multiple account usage first. Also, the new client is supposed to run smoother then the current one (that is, if you are running anything newer then a p2 300mhz with an ati rage3d pro chip) Originally by: Grimpak oh and post brand new pics of it, not the ones we've seen already. like... these? most of those are current ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:01:00 - [29] Edited by: MotherMoon on 06/10/2007 23:01:41 I have about 50 pictures that no one has seen from the new expansion, they are all form the art book CCP released... but then Pong would have my account banned. and on that note... why are there 9 new models form the ammar and two form the minmatar!!! and... HOLY ****, the tritan is pretty. and very different form the first video on the eve website, I like the re-redesign. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
benzss The Knights Of Camelot Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Ealiom Edited by: Ealiom on 17/09/2007 14:04:54 More importantly and something Nobody else seems to be asking is how will the new client fare when multiple accounts are in use. I have 5 accounts. I'm most comfortable using 3 accounts at once even though with the current client I can run all 5 at once. When the new client comes will i be limited to 2 accounts.........1?!?! I don't fancy paying for accounts I can't use! 5 accounts what the hell isn't that a hint to get a life already the money you spend on 3 of those accounts is enough for an evening at the pub jesus christ
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Jaabaa As pretty as all of these screen shots are, I have to ask myself if Trinity II will dump a load of the load on to the GPU (be it DX9 or DX10) ? Will Trinity II help with client lag ? Is it addressing sound accelerator issues ? I get 127 FPS on the "HL2:Lost Coast - Video Stress Test" with 1680x1050 resolution, 4 x MSAA, 4 x anisotropic filtering and all detail options set to high. I really hope that all this additional detail won't cause even more lag. Please, please, tell me EVE wil get smoother with the next patch. The idea is that it will be better optimised than the current engine, so it should run smoother. But I think we'll just have to wait and see --------------------------- Signatures are for the weak.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Case Micoud What will be the minimum requiremnts for EvE on trinity 2? All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Nito Musashi	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:44:00 - [33] And did not one dev interview say that you could run the new client in dx8 or dx9 depending on your pc or personal preference. If true you should have np running 2 3 or 5 clients at the same time on the same pc if you are willing to sacrifice eye candy. Or you can run out get a quad core 64 bit os throw in 4 to 8 gig of ram and a few 8800 cards and run 3 or 4 dx9 clients. since i have np running bioshock and another game at the same time on my c2d and 2 gig of ram.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:52:00 - [34] Originally by: benzss Originally by: Ealiom Edited by: Ealiom on 17/09/2007 14:04:54 More importantly and something Nobody else seems to be asking is how will the new client fare when multiple accounts are in use. I have 5 accounts. I'm most comfortable using 3 accounts at once even though with the current client I can run all 5 at once. When the new client comes will i be limited to 2 accounts.........1?!?! I don't fancy paying for accounts I can't use! 5 accounts what the hell isn't that a hint to get a life already the money you spend on 3 of those accounts is enough for an evening at the pub jesus christ the number of people sing muliplie accounts is about.... 5% of the community, ... that's a lot of people :( ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:55:00 - [35] Originally by: Kelron Queldine Originally by: Jaabaa As pretty as all of these screen shots are, I have to ask myself if Trinity II will dump a load of the load on to the GPU (be it DX9 or DX10) ? Will Trinity II help with client lag ? Is it addressing sound accelerator issues ? I get 127 FPS on the "HL2:Lost Coast - Video Stress Test" with 1680x1050 resolution, 4 x MSAA, 4 x anisotropic filtering and all detail options set to high. I really hope that all this additional detail won't cause even more lag. Please, please, tell me EVE wil get smoother with the next patch. The idea is that it will be better optimised than the current engine, so it should run smoother. But I think we'll just have to wait and see Not only better optimised but moved to the GPU instead of all cpu graphics, thus those with a slower computer but nice/semi-decent GPU will enjoy higher speeds. I have approx 72 FPS on Hl2 stress test with my computer, each screen showing the same screen but both accelerated, it is a Radeon 9600 pro, no overclocking, and eve has if I am lucky 35 in station, granted over both screens and windowed but it should still not slow so much, btw, full screen is not much better. ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
Blind Man Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:25:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Case Micoud What will be the minimum requiremnts for EvE on trinity 2? All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. SM3.0 is required? the end is near
Rawr Cristina Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:29:00 - [37] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 07/10/2007 00:29:13 5 accounts seems just silly, I have 2 and it's more than enough for my needs, but I would like to know if EVE would grind to a halt running 2 with the new engine or if I could do it smoothly like I can now? Only have a 7600 GT videocard, although E6400 dual core cpu... -----
Azrael Maxim Flexible Demeanour	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:38:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Case Micoud What will be the minimum requiremnts for EvE on trinity 2? All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. It would be excellent if at some point people can start to test this out on sisi, so they can make a decision if they need a new graphic card at all.
Corvus Anderran Ignis Ferroque	Posted - 2007.10.07 00:48:00 - [39] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Case Micoud What will be the minimum requiremnts for EvE on trinity 2? All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. Whoa, SM 3.0? Please say that's just for a HDR option or something?

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Corvus Anderran Originally by: CCP Explorer All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. Whoa, SM 3.0? Please say that's just for a HDR option or something? The client will be switchable between the DX8 and DX9SM3 content. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:37:00 - [41] Well i guess that means the min for the DX9 client is a NV 6 series or ATI X1k series.
Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:41:00 - [42] So will my x800 ati card see any of the new graphics? I do not believe it has pixel shader 3.0 even though it can run most things in dx9 great

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:44:00 - [43] There is a nice survey here with a breakdown of various video cards. Look for the text "Cards which default to DirectX 9 Shader Model 3 Path on Source". Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:48:00 - [44] Thanks for the link although looks like im screwed on the new graphics content then.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:48:00 - [45] Originally by: Bloss0m So will my x800 ati card see any of the new graphics? I do not believe it has pixel shader 3.0 even though it can run most things in dx9 great Shader model 3 has a lot of stuff letting you do more for less effort so would seem like the way to go. Want to know the best gfx card for your money? www.futuremark.com is your best bet. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:51:00 - [46] Dont choose a card based on results on a benchmark site.. Go read reviews instead. People always OC their GPUs, CPUs, and memory to try and get the highest score. So review sites are the best bet for performance out of the box, not a site with a bunch of numbers :\
Jaala Creed	Posted - 2007.10.07 01:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Bloss0m Thanks for the link although looks like im screwed on the new graphics content then. You can get a videocard thats more then enough for 100-120 dollars on newegg.com
Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:00:00 - [48] Aye newegg is where im searching now. If I cant find a agp card Ill have to upgrade everything and thats something I was going to hopefully hold out on (cant afford currently) for a while longer.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:00:00 - [49] Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 07/10/2007 02:00:38 Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 07/10/2007 01:59:57 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130274 Theres a nice 7800GS for 120 bucks after rebate. EDIT: nvm you need AGP... EDIT2: LOL nvm that IS AGP.. wow i didnt know they had AGP versions of 7800s
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:03:00 - [50] Originally by: Phoenix Lord Dont choose a card based on results on a benchmark site.. Go read reviews instead. People always OC their GPUs, CPUs, and memory to try and get the highest score. So review sites are the best bet for performance out of the box, not a site with a bunch of numbers :\ You will find there one of the best forums ever for getting advice on what to get. People who really know what they are talking about --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:04:00 - [51] ah the forums? never thought of that. I usually stick to the forums at www.guru3d.com
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:05:00 - [52] ocing your video card has way more risk than reward, i mean u max oc a video card your looking at a few frames per second at best unless your at the bare min and 2 or 3 fps more means a game will run smooth for you compared to stock. now overclocking your processor and ram thats another matter entirely. but i think anyone is insane to pay for a factory overclocked card that probably at best adds maybe 2 fps over the stock version and costs more than a stock. but to not overclock some processors on the other hand like say c2d is just a crime.
Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:08:00 - [53] Yeah well at least I know now I can get a card agp that works with my mobo and will work with the upgraded graphics engine. Really don't want to spend a ton on a card though as I was going to buy one for dx10 later next year. So just going to find one that will get me by on the new eve client with decent fps. Maybe ill get lucky finding one for under 100 :-p if not I suppose I can skip eating here and there lol sigh
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:12:00 - [54] Well I would go for either: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161071R or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814241041 (if you are not into open box) Gives the 7800 a good spanking, even beats the 7900GS --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Nito Musashi ocing your video card has way more risk than reward, i mean u max oc a video card your looking at a few frames per second at best unless your at the bare min and 2 or 3 fps more means a game will run smooth for you compared to stock. now overclocking your processor and ram thats another matter entirely. but i think anyone is insane to pay for a factory overclocked card that probably at best adds maybe 2 fps over the stock version and costs more than a stock. but to not overclock some processors on the other hand like say c2d is just a crime. What risk is there? Just dont be stupid and let your card overheat, know the signs of over heating and lower the speeds before something actually happens. And i got FAR more than just 2-3 FPS when i OCed my R9800P, although i havent tried it with my 8800GTS yet. Also, no one said anything about getting a factory OCed card :p
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:28:00 - [56] Originally by: Nito Musashi ocing your video card has way more risk than reward, i mean u max oc a video card your looking at a few frames per second at best unless your at the bare min and 2 or 3 fps more means a game will run smooth for you compared to stock. now overclocking your processor and ram thats another matter entirely. but i think anyone is insane to pay for a factory overclocked card that probably at best adds maybe 2 fps over the stock version and costs more than a stock. but to not overclock some processors on the other hand like say c2d is just a crime. Na, I got a 10-15% increase with my 2900xt (which is already HOT to begin with). All that changed is the fans turn up a bit louder. It's not too risky, because it's really obvious when a GPU is overheating/overstressed, little dots and lines start showing in graphics.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:33:00 - [57] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 07/10/2007 02:34:20 Originally by: Phoenix Lord Originally by: Nito Musashi ocing your video card has way more risk than reward, i mean u max oc a video card your looking at a few frames per second at best unless your at the bare min and 2 or 3 fps more means a game will run smooth for you compared to stock. now overclocking your processor and ram thats another matter entirely. but i think anyone is insane to pay for a factory overclocked card that probably at best adds maybe 2 fps over the stock version and costs more than a stock. but to not overclock some processors on the other hand like say c2d is just a crime. What risk is there? Just dont be stupid and let your card overheat, know the signs of over heating and lower the speeds before something actually happens. And i got FAR more than just 2-3 FPS when i OCed my R9800P, although i havent tried it with my 8800GTS yet. Also, no one said anything about getting a factory OCed card :p Hmz well I voltmodded my 9800pro got it to around 500mhz core and 450mhz (900 DDR) ram. That was the sweetest card ever, 9800pro on the xt PCB and downmarked hynix chips that ran much higher than they say they did . But I digress, GFX overclocking is just like any other overclocking, this is where a benchmark tool like 3dmark comes in reallly handy. Raise the clocks a small bit at a time, check the benchmarks for artifacts/instability. Back off a little when you get said instability/artifacts and you have your max overclock, anything between that and stock should be fine. I have not needed to overclock my 8800GTS simply because it plays everything with 4x AA and 8x AF just fine (1440x900) Plus, my C2D is running as in my sig 24/7 What's perhaps not obious is its a micro ATX system and very small --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:36:00 - [58] Disclaimer: Volt modding is dangerous, please dont do it without knowing your stuff --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Vim Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:39:00 - [59] Edited by: Vim on 07/10/2007 02:40:08 Running multiple clients is definetly something I hope will work as good or preferably better then it does now with T2. Now, my main problem here is the gfx card, I could be bothered less about eye candy but I hope DX8 compability mode will still make use of the card more and not just the cpu? I'am at the end of my mainboard basicly :P If I need to upgrade gfx card I basicly need to upgrade mainboard, which means new cpu, which means new ram, which means new... you see where my already strained wallet is going? Starcraft and EVE be my main usage of computer beyond surfing the web, now with 'nix client coming along I seriously consider finaly ditching windows completly since I have no need for it ^_^ /* Whats a guy got to do to get a smile off around here */
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:45:00 - [60] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 07/10/2007 02:51:15 Originally by: Bloss0m Edited by: Bloss0m on 07/10/2007 02:38:24 Well I have managed to find a couple cheapish (under 100 usd) cards that should run the new eve client and bf2 well so I'm happy. Now I just have to convince the wife that the computer will blow up taking half the house with it if the graphics card isn't replaced by sometime in November (which my birthday is Nov. 15th so i can use that as a backup plan) all because of pixel shader 3.0 shakes head Please say what they are Anything less than an 7600GT is going to be a slower card in other aplications. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:46:00 - [61] Originally by: Vim Edited by: Vim on 07/10/2007 02:40:08 Running multiple clients is definetly something I hope will work as good or preferably better then it does now with T2. Now, my main problem here is the gfx card, I could be bothered less about eye candy but I hope DX8 compability mode will still make use of the card more and not just the cpu? I'am at the end of my mainboard basicly :P If I need to upgrade gfx card I basicly need to upgrade mainboard, which means new cpu, which means new ram, which means new... you see where my already strained wallet is going? Starcraft and EVE be my main usage of computer beyond surfing the web, now with 'nix client coming along I seriously consider finaly ditching windows completly since I have no need for it ^_^ Do you have an AGP 2/4x slot? Because if its 8x and you dont have SM3 you are not at the end of your motherboard. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:57:00 - [62] Actually id like to hear what you have to say about these so I don't buy something stupid... (remember this is a get me by for agp board under 100 bucks) Its passive cooled but my comp has plenty of airflow and its about 2 feet from wall AC in my office. (im not looking to overclock) Gigabyte 7600gs and this one Sapphire x1650pro Both are on the link saying they use 3.0 so hopefully both should work. Both In the reviews people said they ran bf2 and such games well. Wont be the top end but hopefully it will work.
Vim Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:59:00 - [63] Edited by: Vim on 07/10/2007 03:03:24 Man, now your saying stuff I dont understand lol. While I do understand computers on the software side I have no resemblance to knowledge of the past couple of years unfoldings in hardware, which is why I trust others. Ehm, basicly it might've been me being unclear Ill try to rephrase what I've been told to do with my rig: I cant upgrade my cpu any more on my current mb. I could get a card that is working with t2. But, that card would not be compatible with an upgrade to a new generation mb. So, in essence: Get a card that works with newer tech but wont work on my next mb=pay for one brief soloution to my problems and then need to pay for a new one when I upgrade it all(mb, cpu, ram, gfx). Gets expensive so fast >_< edit: Does that seem plausible? Or have ppl been giving me hot air just to get me to spend money? lightbulb Why dont I just ask my dad sigh I forget he is there nowdays since we dont see eachother often :P /* Whats a guy got to do to get a smile off around here */
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 03:19:00 - [64] Yea basically.. if you upgrade to a SM3 capable AGP card right now, that same card wont work on any future motherboard you get. So its either get an AGP card for now and waste some money on another GPU that uses PCIe when you get a new mobo, or just wait and save up for a new mobo and PCIe GPU.
Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:03:00 - [65] Yeah I bought a shader 3 card. Hopefully it will tide me over until next year when I upgrade the entire system. Im broke now but I should be ready for rev III and thats what matters! I can probably play the bio shock now as well . Loved my old x800 but ccp put the final nail in that coffin. Thanks again for the link explorer helped a lot.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:51:00 - [66] Originally by: xKlone Z New to Eve, been playing 2 weeks now. Seriously wondering why people have so many accounts? I've played MMO's for years and I understand in certain MMO's you use multiple accounts to 'box' other characters/classes for certain buffs or maybe a sell shop. But in Eve... why? Well one reason is to play "catch up" with older players. Within a year, you can be pretty well maxed out in a given non-capital ship-class; but a 3 year old account can be maxed in many more (A lot of the first year is learning & support skills overhead). So with 2+ accounts, you can have access to a greater range of skills much sooner. You can also optimise yr stats (so lots of PERC & WILL for your combat main, lots of INT & MEM for your science/industry alt, lots of CHA for your corp management/trade/leadership bonus alt, etc. So instead of getting an average of, say, 1900 SP/hr on your "rounded" main", you're getting 3x 2200 SP/hr on your 3 accounts. After a year, you've accumulated ~60M SP instead of 16-17M. And then you have functions like scout alts, cyno alts & such which pretty much need to be on a second account. Running 3 accounts costs about me ú1 a day. Pretty trivial really, considering the amount of time I devote to it. There is an element diminishing returns though. I'd have to be a lot more interested in industry or spying to justify more than 3 accounts - I don't really spend a whole lot of time logged in to the 3rd... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Nureoeis	Posted - 2007.10.07 17:54:00 - [67] I thought the new engine supported DX10 also.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 18:01:00 - [68] Originally by: Nureoeis I thought the new engine supported DX10 also. Thats later on.
Helison Gallente Times of Ancar Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:47:00 - [69] Just to get this correct: With a card without SM 3.0 we will have to get a 1.3GB client, but we won¦t get any graphical improvements? Bad news

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:02:00 - [70] Originally by: Helison Just to get this correct: With a card without SM 3.0 we will have to get a 1.3GB client, but we won¦t get any graphical improvements? Bad news No, without SM3 you will only have to download a 15-30 MB update with the new Trinity graphics engine and the new code for the expansion.

Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Elite	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:09:00 - [71] Edited by: Blane Xero on 07/10/2007 23:12:11 Hmm i have no idea what all these technical explinatiories say, so i'll just ask since explorer is here. Would my nVidia Geforce 7600GS be sufficient to run the DX9 SM3 or whatever content? its listed on the list you reffered to on the valve page, second highest, but i personally became clueless after loading up the page as to what it all means Welcome to EvE
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:18:00 - [72] Yep that works. Anything that is a NV 6 Series (6200, 6600, 6800, etc) or ATI X1k (x1200, 1600, 1800, etc) series or newer will work.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.08 00:45:00 - [73] Originally by: Bloss0m Actually id like to hear what you have to say about these so I don't buy something stupid... (remember this is a get me by for agp board under 100 bucks) Its passive cooled but my comp has plenty of airflow and its about 2 feet from wall AC in my office. (im not looking to overclock) Gigabyte 7600gs and this one Sapphire x1650pro Both are on the link saying they use 3.0 so hopefully both should work. Both In the reviews people said they ran bf2 and such games well. Wont be the top end but hopefully it will work. Well they will be slower than your current card in other games, but if eve is your thing then the 7600GS is not THAT much worse and is compatable. The x1650pro is a bit slower than the 7600GS. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.08 00:56:00 - [74] Just one thing I have to add; WHY??? This looked as if it would have been the one thing that rescues my gaming experience, and now I find out that I have no hope of playing eve smoothly for the next year or so. ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.08 02:37:00 - [75] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 08/10/2007 02:38:36 whoops --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.08 02:38:00 - [76] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Just one thing I have to add; WHY??? This looked as if it would have been the one thing that rescues my gaming experience, and now I find out that I have no hope of playing eve smoothly for the next year or so. It sounds like it wont be that hard (7600GS or similar should be fine), its the DX10 engine that may need a little more grunt --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.08 03:03:00 - [77] Originally by: Arana Tellen Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Just one thing I have to add; WHY??? This looked as if it would have been the one thing that rescues my gaming experience, and now I find out that I have no hope of playing eve smoothly for the next year or so. It sounds like it wont be that hard (7600GS or similar should be fine), its the DX10 engine that may need a little more grunt That's the problem, My computer stats; AMD Sempron 64, 3000+ (754 socket) 1Ghz DDR (133 IIRC but unsure)Ram. ATI Radeon 9600 pro. Windows XP pro SP2. Dual Screen, (I flatly refuse to go to a lower resolution for Eve now, widescreen allows me to have a better overview of the situation, chat channels etc) Questions? ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.08 03:10:00 - [78] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Originally by: Arana Tellen Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Just one thing I have to add; WHY??? This looked as if it would have been the one thing that rescues my gaming experience, and now I find out that I have no hope of playing eve smoothly for the next year or so. It sounds like it wont be that hard (7600GS or similar should be fine), its the DX10 engine that may need a little more grunt That's the problem, My computer stats; AMD Sempron 64, 3000+ (754 socket) 1Ghz DDR (133 IIRC but unsure)Ram. ATI Radeon 9600 pro. Windows XP pro SP2. Dual Screen, (I flatly refuse to go to a lower resolution for Eve now, widescreen allows me to have a better overview of the situation, chat channels etc) Questions? Get a fully fledged A64 s754 (they should be quite cheap) and an x1950pro, maybe some more ram and that system will fly --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.08 03:12:00 - [79] Arena, I would point you to my edit, I kinda forgot to add that before... Sorry mate. ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.08 04:57:00 - [80] I <3 my 6800gt.
syphurous Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.08 05:25:00 - [81] Edited by: syphurous on 08/10/2007 05:24:50 Originally by: Arana Tellen It sounds like it wont be that hard (7600GS or similar should be fine), its the DX10 engine that may need a little more grunt Its not a Directx 10 client FFS its an upgrade to DX9 ! ___ Too Many Anchored Cans
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.08 05:36:00 - [82] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Case Micoud What will be the minimum requiremnts for EvE on trinity 2? All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. As in those without a card supporting SM3 (Ati 9600XT 256mb here..) will not be able to use the new higher poly models and textures? Shouldn't the SM3 be about the glitzy shiney sparkely stuff thats applied to the textures and models and not the actual models or textures themselves? Plz clarify.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.08 06:07:00 - [83] Originally by: Ealiom Try running two DirectX hardware enabled games at once on your computer. Hardly fluid is it. Three EVE clients and then on another monitor playing Tabula Rasa. All settings maxed up and stuff. No lag and hi FPS count. Perhaps time to buy a new computer, yes? It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Polonium 210	Posted - 2007.10.08 07:03:00 - [84] I wonder if GeForce 7600go will be enough for the Trinity? As it is impossible to change video in my laptop :(
Max Hardcase Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.08 07:06:00 - [85] G7600go is good. Its basically a 7600GS variant.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.08 09:08:00 - [86] Originally by: Kuolematon Ontopic: Did CCP drop "Vista is MUST" from their Trinity2 upgrade? I swear I read somewhere that you have to have Vista AND DX10 to enjoy new engine? We decided to do the first phase of the new Trinity engine by supporting DX8 and DX9 SM3 this time around. A future phase will then be DX10 support. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Horace Friendly GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.08 09:26:00 - [87] alright now just to clarify this because i've gotten a bit confused: regardless of whether i'm using dx8 or dx9, the engine will still rely more on the graphics card and not be so processor intensive anymore right? so even though my x800 xl only has 2.0b shaders and i'll be playing in dx8 mode, it will still run better than it does now right?
Selene Bork Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.08 09:49:00 - [88] Wow I can`t wait, my sexy 8800gts says bring it on ccp Trinity 2.0 engine. me Selene drools
Leonidas Rex Amarr FM Corp Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:11:00 - [89] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: Ealiom Edited by: Ealiom on 17/09/2007 14:04:54 More importantly and something Nobody else seems to be asking is how will the new client fare when multiple accounts are in use. I have 5 accounts. I'm most comfortable using 3 accounts at once even though with the current client I can run all 5 at once. When the new client comes will i be limited to 2 accounts.........1?!?! I don't fancy paying for accounts I can't use! Good point, I have 5 accounts also and can run all 5 on one box at one time. If the engine restricts by lag or coding the use of multiple accounts on one box, I'm going to be an unhappy customer. Im sorry guys, just because you are nuts and run 5 Eve accounts on the same computer at the same time doesnt mean that all of us do the same. I want fancy graphics and effects and I hope the new Trinity 2 engine will make the game so pretty my computer almost cant runt it, and thats on 1 account ;) Super pretty graphics and 1 account at a time is what the game should be made for, otherwise you guys can always go and buy 4 more computers.. Besides you will probably be able to set the graphics to "super ugly" and then you can probably run 5 accounts anyways. :)
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:14:00 - [90] CCP Explorer, would it be possible to get a clarification on this: Will all directX 9 cards that do not support SM3.0, i.e. radeon 9600, 1.) have to run EVE with the old models? Or... will Trinity 2.0 be 2.) gradually downward compatible? (i.e. switch off advanced shaders but still enjoy fancy new highpoly normalmapped models) I expect this to be a question of widespread concern. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
Mri Helona	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:51:00 - [91] We really need to get a dev blog about this and atleast some new pics its been ages since we have had any new ones. Im really phyched but we need some info ccp! Trinity 2 ftw!
Khalm Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:59:00 - [92] Edited by: Khalm on 08/10/2007 12:00:18 all the peepz without sm3.0, just buy a new card ffs. you can get a nice radeon x1950 with a little over 100 euros. if you cant fit that card to your machine. its cpu wouldnt probably be able to handle the new models anyways. just look at the screenshots. do they look like that you will be able to run that smoothly with 3-4 years old pc?
Felzius Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.10.08 12:00:00 - [93] To be perfectly honest, I'd never sign up for this game if I knew CCP motivates people to use more than 1 account. In other games that counts as cheating, or metagaming. I don't see how it's any different here. On topic though, I'd be more interested about the effect on gameplay (for us 1 accounters).
Felben Modoltov	Posted - 2007.10.08 15:51:00 - [94] Im seeing a lot of confusing/conflicting information here. Can we get a dev blog explaining to us dunces whether or not we're going to see pretty new graphics with our current cards? I have a Radeon 9800, and it's still not clear to me from reading the thread what that means. It appears it doesn't "default to SM 3.0" as the dev said earlier, but I don't know what that means.
gooer	Posted - 2007.10.08 17:10:00 - [95] Edited by: gooer on 08/10/2007 17:11:19 Originally by: Phoenix Lord Dont choose a card based on results on a benchmark site.. Go read reviews instead. People always OC their GPUs, CPUs, and memory to try and get the highest score. So review sites are the best bet for performance out of the box, not a site with a bunch of numbers :\ /me open his case to pet his evga 8800gtx stock, overclocked from 575/900 to 621/1051 on stock cooling /me burns his finger with 75 degrees celsius (load)
Azrael Maxim Flexible Demeanour	Posted - 2007.10.08 17:32:00 - [96] Originally by: Felben Modoltov Im seeing a lot of confusing/conflicting information here. Can we get a dev blog explaining to us dunces whether or not we're going to see pretty new graphics with our current cards? I have a Radeon 9800, and it's still not clear to me from reading the thread what that means. It appears it doesn't "default to SM 3.0" as the dev said earlier, but I don't know what that means. Your radeon 9800 does not support sm3.0, so you will need to buy a new vidcard that does support sm3.0 if you want to enjoy the shiney's
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.10.08 17:49:00 - [97] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Case Micoud What will be the minimum requiremnts for EvE on trinity 2? All the DX8 content will still be there so the minimum won't change. But to enjoy the new content then a graphics card supporting DX9 Shader Model 3.0 will be required. Drools I can not wait any longer! I will cancel my 137 accounts if this is not released by the end of next year! Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.08 18:15:00 - [98] Originally by: syphurous Edited by: syphurous on 08/10/2007 05:24:50 Originally by: Arana Tellen It sounds like it wont be that hard (7600GS or similar should be fine), its the DX10 engine that may need a little more grunt Its not a Directx 10 client FFS its an upgrade to DX9 ! There are two new clients in the works, the DX9 update we are getting in Rev III and a new one which IIRC is targetted for next year to add a DX10 version. The 7600GS or similar should be fine for the DX9 client, as far as the DX10 one goes I would not be surprised if they really upped the ante since you have an already shiny DX9 version to fall back on. Want some more spoon feeding or are you full? --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.08 19:59:00 - [99] Originally by: Khalm Edited by: Khalm on 08/10/2007 12:00:18 all the peepz without sm3.0, just buy a new card ffs. you can get a nice radeon x1950 with a little over 100 euros. if you cant fit that card to your machine. its cpu wouldnt probably be able to handle the new models anyways. just look at the screenshots. do they look like that you will be able to run that smoothly with 3-4 years old pc? Try upgrading a laptop graphics card, kthx. Some other games offer a choice of which shader model to use, so apparently this is technically possible, and why wouldn't it be. I'm just wondering if CCP will make the effort. Otherwise I'll have to wait till spring next year, when I finally get back from out of country and on my semipimped sm3 enabled desktop again. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:09:00 - [100] Forced SM3 requirement is a really bad choice imho and reminds to a certain game that worked together with graphics cards industry to force people buy new graphics cards. To be honest i dont know a single mmog that went this way. I know some that are switching to a new engine right now but none that chose SM3 requirement. By choosing SM3 you are forcing users of a whole generation of ATI cards to buy a new graphics cards allthough their current ones outperform most cards listed on those SM3 compatibility charts by far. For example an Nvidia 6100 will run the game in DX9 and my X850PE wont. And its not like shader 3.0 vs 2.0b would make any real difference anyways. Basicly a marketing thing from NV.
gicaduru GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:14:00 - [101] They've said numerous times that it'll be possible to use the 'classic engine' so nothing will change for those of you who have ancient computers. I don't understand why you keep complaining that the brand new engine is targeted at new(ish) graphics cards; what the hell do you expect, that they'll keep writing the game for 5 year old video cards?
Miriyana Gallente Legions of Derek	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:17:00 - [102] phew - my laptop still plays it :) http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonx1600/specs.html - - - - - - Change just leads to more problems Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:36:00 - [103] Originally by: gicaduru They've said numerous times that it'll be possible to use the 'classic engine' so nothing will change for those of you who have ancient computers. I don't understand why you keep complaining that the brand new engine is targeted at new(ish) graphics cards; what the hell do you expect, that they'll keep writing the game for 5 year old video cards? The complaint is that the Xxxx ATI cards don't support SM3, while the equivalent NVidia cards do. And as a lot of people still have cards from that generation (myself included, although luckily mine is Nvidia), there is a significant proportion of players that won't be able to use the new graphics features. To use the ever-popular Valve survey, the X800 is the 7th most used card, and other cards in the range also make up a fairly large number of users. It's also apparently fairly easy to add SM2 support, but as I'm not a graphics programmer, I don't know anything about that. --------------------------- Vanilla Crazy Cake!
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:38:00 - [104] Originally by: gicaduru They've said numerous times that it'll be possible to use the 'classic engine' so nothing will change for those of you who have ancient computers. I don't understand why you keep complaining that the brand new engine is targeted at new(ish) graphics cards; what the hell do you expect, that they'll keep writing the game for 5 year old video cards? You might not have noticed it, but eve is not a normal game that you buy in the shop and play for 3 month. People are supposed to be playing eve for years and users of mmogs often have computers that dont use top tech components. Classic client all well and fine but how long do you think will that classic client be supported? And ATI top of the line cards with shader 2.0b are not 5 years old, not even close. I would have expected for CCP to implement a SM3 and SM2 renderpatch like Far*** since the performance difference is really small and both offer the same graphical results.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:41:00 - [105] Originally by: Mara Kell Forced SM3 requirement is a really bad choice imho and reminds to a certain game that worked together with graphics cards industry to force people buy new graphics cards. To be honest i dont know a single mmog that went this way. I know some that are switching to a new engine right now but none that chose SM3 requirement. By choosing SM3 you are forcing users of a whole generation of ATI cards to buy a new graphics cards allthough their current ones outperform most cards listed on those SM3 compatibility charts by far. For example an Nvidia 6100 will run the game in DX9 and my X850PE wont. And its not like shader 3.0 vs 2.0b would make any real difference anyways. Basicly a marketing thing from NV. ** that , they wanted it to be next gen, they aren't forcing . opps should use less mean words. But the point is, CCP doesn't care what uses what, you need SM3 because of what SM3 does. it's not because they want to exclude anyone... there is a good reason why you can still play with the old graphics... I want to play my PS3 games on my PS2! it must be that the gaming industisy just wants me to buy the new system to play the new games :((((... oh wait... did people *** like this when windows 3.1 and dos became old? "why can't I play C&C on my DOS windows 3.1! it's not fair and you are forcing users of a whole generation of 4mb ram users to buy new RAM and operating systems." Just because a card has more memory or GPU does not make it better. if it can't render the new models then it's useless. meaning it doesn't outperform. because it can't perform. you still think it's because CCP wants you to buy a new card??? do you think CCP CARES about how much money those people make? they are based in iceland! tin foil hats all around! ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:45:00 - [106] Originally by: Mara Kell Originally by: gicaduru They've said numerous times that it'll be possible to use the 'classic engine' so nothing will change for those of you who have ancient computers. I don't understand why you keep complaining that the brand new engine is targeted at new(ish) graphics cards; what the hell do you expect, that they'll keep writing the game for 5 year old video cards? You might not have noticed it, but eve is not a normal game that you buy in the shop and play for 3 month. People are supposed to be playing eve for years and users of mmogs often have computers that dont use top tech components. Classic client all well and fine but how long do you think will that classic client be supported? And ATI top of the line cards with shader 2.0b are not 5 years old, not even close. I would have expected for CCP to implement a SM3 and SM2 renderpatch like Far*** since the performance difference is really small and both offer the same graphical results. ok... so in 2 years when they stop supporting the old cards... will you still be using your old computer??? then they will be over 5 years old. And I don't believe even that. CCP will never make something anything but opional as long as people want to play on thier laptops and so forth. sure you might not get to walk around or use the new planetary planes/tanks, or other new stuff. but you'll still be able to log in and shoot people. what makes you think your card could support the new graphics even if they did cram SM3 into it? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:46:00 - [107] Originally by: gicaduru They've said numerous times that it'll be possible to use the 'classic engine' so nothing will change for those of you who have ancient computers. I don't understand why you keep complaining that the brand new engine is targeted at new(ish) graphics cards; what the hell do you expect, that they'll keep writing the game for 5 year old video cards? they do :P and people with those cards will most likely use the old system because of the client lag they will get. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:49:00 - [108] Originally by: MotherMoon But the point is, CCP doesn't care what uses what, you need SM3 because of what SM3 does. it's not because they want to exclude anyone... Theres nothing that SM3 can but SM2 not. Its only a performance and programming thing. And you dont want to tell me that Eve would run better on a NV6100 with SM3 than on an X850PE with SM 2.0 do you?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:52:00 - [109] Originally by: Mara Kell Originally by: MotherMoon But the point is, CCP doesn't care what uses what, you need SM3 because of what SM3 does. it's not because they want to exclude anyone... Theres nothing that SM3 can but SM2 not. Its only a performance and programming thing. And you dont want to tell me that Eve would run better on a NV6100 with SM3 than on an X850PE with SM 2.0 do you? point taken... unless the new dynamic lighting system that they are programing to have light travel through space the way it would if it was effected by the gravity of the planets and such takes SM3 to work.... that said, maybe they should have another option to let you use only the ship models, but no lighting or shadows. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 01:00:00 - [110] Originally by: MotherMoon point taken... unless the new dynamic lighting system that they are programing to have light travel through space the way it would if it was effected by the gravity of the planets and such takes SM3 to work.... that said, maybe they should have another option to let you use only the ship models, but no lighting or shadows. Thats an idea i could be friend with. I just dont understand why many if not most of the ATI users are exluded from all new visual content when their cards are able to work with it with acceptable performance.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.15 01:03:00 - [111] Originally by: Mara Kell Originally by: MotherMoon point taken... unless the new dynamic lighting system that they are programing to have light travel through space the way it would if it was effected by the gravity of the planets and such takes SM3 to work.... that said, maybe they should have another option to let you use only the ship models, but no lighting or shadows. Thats an idea i could be friend with. I just dont understand why many if not most of the ATI users are exluded from all new visual content when their cards are able to work with it with acceptable performance. well I don't know what the performance levels for the expansion are... do you? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 01:16:00 - [112] Originally by: MotherMoon well I don't know what the performance levels for the expansion are... do you? I was judging from other games and running them with SM2 instead SM3 gave an FPS loss in the low single digit FPS. If that drawback makes the new eve unplayable then SM3 players wouldnt have much fun either :) My guess is that the extra rendering code for an SM2 path would have cost some kind of licence fee and for that reason they decided for the classic client solution. :) The other advantage of the classic solution is that real stoneage cards (like 8 years old) still work with eve like they do now.
XrayZ Euphoria Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.15 08:39:00 - [113] ugh as a rotten comp owner, i feel totaly screwd now... i would need to buy a whole new comp to play eve, and that makes x a sad panda. err.. makes x¦s wallet a sad panda. -------------------------------------- <3 Godlesswanderer } eve-gfx team.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.15 08:49:00 - [114] what are you talking about? IU'm not going to be usiong the new graphics and neither do you. as the dev stated, all you will need is a 40mb update with the new graphics engine and code. graphics engines does not equal new graphics just the way the old graphics work. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Khalm Amarr Firing Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.15 11:40:00 - [115] Edited by: Khalm on 15/10/2007 11:40:28 Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Try upgrading a laptop graphics card, kthx. Some other games offer a choice of which shader model to use, so apparently this is technically possible, and why wouldn't it be. I'm just wondering if CCP will make the effort. Otherwise I'll have to wait till spring next year, when I finally get back from out of country and on my semipimped sm3 enabled desktop again. Old computer == Old client. Thats the way it is.
Raneru Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:41:00 - [116] Originally by: XrayZ ugh as a rotten comp owner, i feel totaly screwd now... i would need to buy a whole new comp to play eve, and that makes x a sad panda. err.. makes x¦s wallet a sad panda. Look on the bright side, after you've upgraded you can play crysis, bioshock, call of duty 4, gears of war, etc
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:08:00 - [117] Edited by: Mara Kell on 15/10/2007 13:09:23 Originally by: Raneru Originally by: XrayZ ugh as a rotten comp owner, i feel totaly screwd now... i would need to buy a whole new comp to play eve, and that makes x a sad panda. err.. makes x¦s wallet a sad panda. Look on the bright side, after you've upgraded you can play crysis, bioshock, call of duty 4, gears of war, etc The funny thing is, that all of those games are /will be running on my computer with SM2 on my X850. But the allmighty eve DX9 client wont.... Crysis: SM2 or better Call of Duty 4: SM2 or better Eve-online DX9 SM3 only You see what i have a problem with?
MHayes	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:21:00 - [118] Isn't SM3 4 years old, if your graphics card is over 4 years old then no shiny ships for you. This is your fault not CCPs fault. Be glad they are still allowing you people to use the old client. strokes 7900GTX which is like 2 years old but still does the business.
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:50:00 - [119] Originally by: MHayes Isn't SM3 4 years old, if your graphics card is over 4 years old then no shiny ships for you. This is your fault not CCPs fault. Be glad they are still allowing you people to use the old client. strokes 7900GTX which is like 2 years old but still does the business. My gc is 1.5 years old and it wasnt really cheap at that time. And it still has SM2. Just because a graphics card has SM3 it isnt better than a SM2 card. When allmost every other game to be released this year supports SM2 but eve not i certainly dont see the problem with my graphics card but with the support for ATI cards from ccp.
MHayes	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:55:00 - [120] Edited by: MHayes on 15/10/2007 13:56:52 I see what you are saying, there are some cards with only SM2 but have a lot of horsepower and could probably run the game. But at the same time EVE has always had good graphics, when I started playing when it was released it was amazing and I doubt a 3 year old card could run it so why change it now. I don't want graphics technology to be slowed down by some tightwad with a 3 year old ú50 graphics card. Besides it is ATIs fault, Nvidia managed to get SM3 into the 6000 series so why didn't ATI get it in the X800s?
Sleepkevert Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:00:00 - [121] Originally by: Mara Kell Originally by: MHayes Isn't SM3 4 years old, if your graphics card is over 4 years old then no shiny ships for you. This is your fault not CCPs fault. Be glad they are still allowing you people to use the old client. strokes 7900GTX which is like 2 years old but still does the business. My gc is 1.5 years old and it wasnt really cheap at that time. And it still has SM2. Just because a graphics card has SM3 it isnt better than a SM2 card. When allmost every other game to be released this year supports SM2 but eve not i certainly dont see the problem with my graphics card but with the support for ATI cards from ccp. Lolwut? Seriously... No shader model 3, No NEW graphics engine. Consider the old engine the game on low settings, just like every other game will have a "low settings" that has been released this year. Also, ati cards have nothing to do with this... nVidia cards have the same problem, so saying that ccp disatvantages Ati buyers is WRONG, also, what the hell of a card do you have if you bought an expensive card 1,5 year ago that doesn't have sm3 Sign my sig
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:02:00 - [122] Originally by: MHayes I doubt a 3 year old card could run it so why change it now. I don't want graphics technology to be slowed down by some tightwad with a 3 year old ú50 graphics card. A 3 year old card can run it fine, just as long as it's a 3 year old NVidia card. Most new games being released support SM2, the ones that don't are the exception rather than the rule, so it seems lazy that the new graphics features for EVE will require SM3. --------------------------- Vanilla Crazy Cake!
SirMolly	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:03:00 - [123] lol @ all the whineage. no one forces you to use the new graphics.
Sleepkevert Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:08:00 - [124] Originally by: SirMolly lol @ all the whineage. no one forces you to use the new graphics. Quoted for epic truth! Consider the old graphics engine EVE on low settings, and the new graphics engine, EVE on high settings. That way you don't even need a shader at all to play eve Offcourse the new graphics engine is going to require new hardware, what you are whining about now is something like this: "<insert random game here> runs fine on low! Why can't I run it on ultra high on the same hardware!!11!!" Well guess what, hardware gets improved, new things are added, you can still run the newer games fine on low, but to enjoy all the shininess (like trinity II) you need some better hardware... /whinage Sign my sig
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:12:00 - [125] People without SM3 cards will be able to still play on 'low' settings, yes, but the point is that someone like Mara has a card that at least equals and probably outperforms my 6800GT and will be able to play most new games for a while yet, but won't be able to use EVE's new graphics because SM2 support hasn't been included. --------------------------- Vanilla Crazy Cake!
MHayes	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:26:00 - [126] Edited by: MHayes on 15/10/2007 14:30:05 agree, screw all thes SM2 fanboys, show us some DX9 SM3 screenies, or even better DX10 (and yes I will need a new GCard also for DX10 but I am not complaining because to have good graphics you gotta have good hardware. Shock horror!!).
Sleepkevert Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:28:00 - [127] Edited by: Sleepkevert on 15/10/2007 14:28:29 Originally by: Kelron Queldine People without SM3 cards will be able to still play on 'low' settings, yes, but the point is that someone like Mara has a card that at least equals and probably outperforms my 6800GT and will be able to play most new games for a while yet, but won't be able to use EVE's new graphics because SM2 support hasn't been included. Sooo, you want an new engine that uses technology that was available even before eve was started? Whats the point in making a new engine then. They chose for sm3, and let's be honest, you and i know they must have had their reasons for that. Sign my sig
MHayes	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:31:00 - [128] But that is ATIs fault, not Eve, should have reserached what he was buying ey? it is like me buying a new card now that doesn't support DX10.
Primnproper	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:45:00 - [129] I can't believe there is still confusion over this, they have said very clearly that every1 will upgrade to the new trinity 2 engine, we will then have the choice of using the new engines dx8 mode which will use low poly models and have less flashy effects or the new engines dx9 with sm3 mode which will use all of the new high poly models and flashy effects. I could not be simpler.
Sleepkevert Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:53:00 - [130] Originally by: Primnproper I can't believe there is still confusion over this, they have said very clearly that every1 will upgrade to the new trinity 2 engine, we will then have the choice of using the new engines dx8 mode which will use low poly models and have less flashy effects or the new engines dx9 with sm3 mode which will use all of the new high poly models and flashy effects. I could not be simpler. Then point me to a frigging source? No dev blog about it, news item doesn't report such details... Must have been a forum post about this.. then again, it wouldn't be "very clearly".... Sign my sig
Primnproper	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:08:00 - [131] Originally by: Sleepkevert Originally by: Primnproper I can't believe ....... ~~Then point me to a frigging source? No dev blog about it, news item doesn't report such details... Must have been a forum post about this.. then again, it wouldn't be "very clearly"....~~ Ha, fail.. i just found this: Originally by: CCP Wrangler To try and sort this out: We currently have our client, this client you use every day and it will remain. In the november expansion we will release Trinity II, a DX9 version of the client. So we will have two clients at this point, the original and the Trinity II with DX9. At some point in the future we will also release a DX10 version, but this is not the Trinity II expansion. The "everyone will upgrade" thing is just a forum myth, i can't find any dev post or otherwise to support it.. Proof me wrong... Indeed fail... Originally by: CCP Explorer Edited by: CCP Explorer on 08/10/2007 13:57:48 Let me try and clear up the confusion and collect discussion from this thread on the size of the install and this thread on the new graphics engine. First of all, the November expansions, codenamed "Kali3", is not the DX10 upgrade, that will come later. "Kali3" will contain a new graphics engine that now supports DX9 SM3 in addition to supporting DX8 as before. There will be one client but two installs. The same graphics engine and the same game code will be in both installs, but different graphics content. The smaller install, codenamed "Classic", will only contain the DX8 graphics content while the full client will contain both DX8 and DX9 SM3 graphics content. When we release "Kali3" then all Revelations II installs will be upgraded to the "Classic" install (15-30 MB patch). If the hardware is DX9 SM3 capable then you will be offered to download the new DX9 SM3 graphics content in the background (600-900 MB probably).
Sleepkevert Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:12:00 - [132] Originally by: Primnproper Random dev quote fest... Great, devs contradicting each-other... Anyway, thanks for pointing me that to that forum post... Sign my sig
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:18:00 - [133] Lets take the recently released Bioshock as an example for the SM2/SM3 issue. Bioshock was released without SM2 support, this caused a massive uproar amongst people who'd been waiting for the game in various forums, because there is a lot of people with SM2 cards that are still perfectly capable of running the latest games when they have SM2 support (which, as I've already said, most of them do). It took 1 day for a fan patch to be released for Bioshock that added SM2 support, it wasn't complete at that stage and had odd or missing textures, but it didn't take much longer to add proper support. So it was either laziness on behalf of the developers, or the publisher pushing for a quicker release. If a member of the community could add SM2 support in such a short period of time, why didn't the devs? Bioshock uses Unreal Engine 3, which supports SM2 and probably accounted for the ease of adding SM2 support into Bioshock. As the new EVE engine is developed from scratch by CCP, as far as I know, there may be a good reason why it would be difficult or too time consuming to add SM2 support, but it seems odd to alienate what is likely a significant portion of the userbase who have cards easily powerful enough to run the new engine, yet don't have SM3 support. --------------------------- Vanilla Crazy Cake!
Primnproper	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:24:00 - [134] Originally by: Sleepkevert Originally by: Primnproper Random dev quote fest... Great, devs contradicting each-other... Anyway, thanks for pointing me that to that forum post... Explorer wins on that one he's software director whereas wrangler is only (no offense) community manager.
Kayhman	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:28:00 - [135]
NeoTheo Caldari Dark Materials Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:33:00 - [136] This is s stupid arguement in general, its simple. EvE was starting to look long in the tooth, when they make a new engine they are not just righting a a Engine to make the game look decent now, they are making it to be expansible in the future. Whilst i feel sorry for the people who have SM2 cards that are far more powerfull than the now not so mighty 6800, they have to understand, that sooner or laters you have to stop inculding eveything for the sake of your code base. this is not halflife, its not a static game that they can inculde more gfx bloat in, because if they did that the game would be less extensible in the future, as managing all your modules sooner or laters becomes a problem. its called a clean slate, a new platform for them to work from in terms of the client. I dont doubt they could have inculded SM2 support, but in 1.5 years time 95% of you with SM2 cards will be rid of them and eve will be 6 nearly 7 years old. it needs to look good now and in 2 years, spending more time writing another renderer path stalls development and stifles where the game could be in a few years, this way we are getting a cleaner product imo. anyhow, thats obviously a load of drunken *******s, but heyho. sorry to allthe people with none SM3 cards, (my second box has one) :( but at the end of the day i am pretty sure technically its the right decision, lets just hope it does not hurt the player base much. /Theo
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:36:00 - [137] Originally by: NeoTheo anyhow, thats obviously a load of drunken *******s, but heyho. Actually, it seems to be the first decent answer anyone's given, other than "Why should old cards be supported". --------------------------- Vanilla Crazy Cake!
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:58:00 - [138] I really dont understand all the panic about OMG! OH NOES! it wont work! According to everything made public so far older machines should have no problems. My backup Rig apparently even meets the requirements Athlon 64 2800+, GIGABYTE K8NS, 2x 512mb corsair value DDR-400, PNY Nvidia 6600 256mb AGP x8, Windows XP home. If you have a AGP you can pick 6600 series cards up for around ú50 maybe even less. /sig --->Enter at your own risk<---
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:29:00 - [139] Edited by: Mara Kell on 15/10/2007 16:30:18 Edited by: Mara Kell on 15/10/2007 16:29:33 Originally by: Paulo Damarr I really dont understand all the panic about OMG! OH NOES! it wont work! According to everything made public so far older machines should have no problems. My backup Rig apparently even meets the requirements Athlon 64 2800+, GIGABYTE K8NS, 2x 512mb corsair value DDR-400, PNY Nvidia 6600 256mb AGP x8, Windows XP home. If you have a AGP you can pick 6600 series cards up for around ú50 maybe even less. Lets see, my machine: Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Asus A8V 4x 512mb DDR-400 infineon sapphire X850PE 256mb AGP 8x XP prof And the new eve DX9 won run on it... So which graphics card would you actually suggest me to buy that has SM3 is cheap and is faster than mine and has AGP? The only choice would be the 1950, but so much money for just SM3 and hardly a performance increase?
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:44:00 - [140] Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 15/10/2007 16:47:13 Originally by: Mara Kell Edited by: Mara Kell on 15/10/2007 16:30:18 Edited by: Mara Kell on 15/10/2007 16:29:33 Originally by: Paulo Damarr I really dont understand all the panic about OMG! OH NOES! it wont work! According to everything made public so far older machines should have no problems. My backup Rig apparently even meets the requirements Athlon 64 2800+, GIGABYTE K8NS, 2x 512mb corsair value DDR-400, PNY Nvidia 6600 256mb AGP x8, Windows XP home. If you have a AGP you can pick 6600 series cards up for around ú50 maybe even less. Lets see, my machine: Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Asus A8V 4x 512mb DDR-400 infineon sapphire X850PE 256mb AGP 8x XP prof And the new eve DX9 won run on it... So which graphics card would you actually suggest me to buy that has SM3 is cheap and is faster than mine and has AGP? The only choice would be the 1950, but so much money for just SM3 and hardly a performance increase? I'm not trying to be offensive but you obviously poorly researched your machine when you bought/built it, You have a dual core CPU but didn't think to future proof it by getting a PCI-E mainboard. Due to you having DDR-400 as well im guessing it might be a 939 Socket motherboard and PCI-E boards where available and the price was comparable to the AGP boards. Plus ATi is Junk. /sig --->Enter at your own risk<---
Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:09:00 - [141] Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 15/10/2007 17:12:28 Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 15/10/2007 17:11:38 As someone who actually knows about SM3.0, see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shader_model_3#Pixel_shader_comparison You might notice more than a few differences between SM 2 and SM 3. It's also worth noting that the ATI X1000 series cards only support the bare minimum of SM 3. Specifically, it only allows max. 512 instruction long pixel shaders. I don't know about the X2000 series, I haven't tried one. NV's 8000 series definitely supports more than 600 instruction shaders. EDIT: Where's this "nullnull" coming from? nullnull
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:45:00 - [142] Originally by: Paulo Damarr I'm not trying to be offensive but you obviously poorly researched your machine when you bought/built it, You have a dual core CPU but didn't think to future proof it by getting a PCI-E mainboard. Due to you having DDR-400 as well im guessing it might be a 939 Socket motherboard and PCI-E boards where available and the price was comparable to the AGP boards. Plus ATi is Junk. What makes you think that i bought this system as it is? I have never in my whole life bought a complete system. Its a work in progress. I know upgrading is basicly over for this system but not being able to run eve DX9 while crysis will propably run fine is a bad joke. And btw. Nvidias AGP Cards are junk in terms of technical design, they suck energy like crazy. Not of any use for a silent system. So was the early 1000 series from ATI, therefore the decision for the x800 series.
MHayes	Posted - 2007.10.16 09:20:00 - [143] You knew it only had SM2 when you got it, or if you didn't you should have read the specs. the 6000 series was available but you decided to go ATI. How is this CCPs fault or problem? It is like me buying a 8800GTX now and then complaining next year that it isn't DX10.1 compatible. If you are upgrading often then it doesnt matter because by the time a game comes out that needs 10.1 this card will be hold hat and I will have upgraded. If I was planning to keep the card for a while I would think, "hmm better get one with SM4 support." I agree that if SM2 support is easy to implement then make it so but I assume it isn't or they would have done it.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.10.16 09:23:00 - [144] Originally by: Ealiom Edited by: Ealiom on 17/09/2007 14:04:54 More importantly and something Nobody else seems to be asking is how will the new client fare when multiple accounts are in use. I have 5 accounts. I'm most comfortable using 3 accounts at once even though with the current client I can run all 5 at once. When the new client comes will i be limited to 2 accounts.........1?!?! I don't fancy paying for accounts I can't use! you will be able to use them even if that happens, just not at the same time mr uselss.
AsTPlatinum	Posted - 2007.10.16 09:42:00 - [145] I'd like to know if they are going to implement dual screen compatibility with trinity II, it was availiable in the early versions of eve but got booted out for some reason.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.16 11:27:00 - [146] People getting ****ed at the SM3 thing are blaming the wrong people.. Dont blame CCP for being smart and using something thats up to date. Dont forget how long we've had the current trinity engine, i dont think they wanted to use something that wasnt the best at the time if we were going to be stuck with it another few years. Anyway, blame ATi for not being able to include SM3 in that generation, or blame your own damn self for not doing your research. _____
Claude Leon Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:34:00 - [147] Originally by: Mara Kell Edited by: Mara Kell on 15/10/2007 16:30:18 Edited by: Mara Kell on 15/10/2007 16:29:33 Originally by: Paulo Damarr I really dont understand all the panic about OMG! OH NOES! it wont work! According to everything made public so far older machines should have no problems. My backup Rig apparently even meets the requirements Athlon 64 2800+, GIGABYTE K8NS, 2x 512mb corsair value DDR-400, PNY Nvidia 6600 256mb AGP x8, Windows XP home. If you have a AGP you can pick 6600 series cards up for around ú50 maybe even less. Lets see, my machine: Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Asus A8V 4x 512mb DDR-400 infineon sapphire X850PE 256mb AGP 8x XP prof And the new eve DX9 won run on it... So which graphics card would you actually suggest me to buy that has SM3 is cheap and is faster than mine and has AGP? The only choice would be the 1950, but so much money for just SM3 and hardly a performance increase? My cell phone is faster than your system. I will break it down to you in very simple terms. You either adapt or die.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:57:00 - [148] Originally by: MHayes I agree that if SM2 support is easy to implement then make it so but I assume it isn't or they would have done it. SM2 has a limit of 32+64 shader instructions (see the Wikipedia link above) whereas SM3 has more than 512. We already have shaders in the new graphics engine with more than 200 instructions. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.17 02:09:00 - [149] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: MHayes I agree that if SM2 support is easy to implement then make it so but I assume it isn't or they would have done it. SM2 has a limit of 32+64 shader instructions (see the Wikipedia link above) whereas SM3 has more than 512. We already have shaders in the new graphics engine with more than 200 instructions. This explantion wins. ...checks card.... doh! /Starts to put away some cash for a new card. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
riprjak Hermits Rest	Posted - 2007.10.17 03:22:00 - [150] Originally by: Ealiom Edited by: Ealiom on 17/09/2007 14:04:54 More importantly and something Nobody else seems to be asking is how will the new client fare when multiple accounts are in use. I have 5 accounts. I'm most comfortable using 3 accounts at once even though with the current client I can run all 5 at once. When the new client comes will i be limited to 2 accounts.........1?!?! I don't fancy paying for accounts I can't use! Well, when Im using multiple clients/games, I run them on separate PCs with their monitors sat side by side using multiplicity virtual keyboard/mouse switching software to jump between them. Multiple DX9 apps, no probs :)
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:45:00 - [151] Originally by: Paulo Damarr I'm not trying to be offensive but you obviously poorly researched your machine when you bought/built it, You have a dual core CPU but didn't think to future proof it by getting a PCI-E mainboard. Due to you having DDR-400 as well im guessing it might be a 939 Socket motherboard and PCI-E boards where available and the price was comparable to the AGP boards. You seem not to understand that Socket 939 pre-dates the availability of PCI-E chipsets for AMD processors, so all the initial S939 boards were AGP. For anyone who bought an early S939 system there was no choice but AGP. The good news for people with those kind of machines is that it's easy enough to grab a PCI-E S939 motherboard from Ebay and do the upgrade. It often costs less than the price premium for an AGP card over the PCI-E version.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:58:00 - [152] Ummm.. no S939 always had PCIe as far as i can remember... S754 was the early Althon 64 socket. _____
Mad Axe Caldari Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.10.18 14:05:00 - [153] I have two questions about Trinity, dont want to start a new topic so ill just bump this one up. Will the DX9 engine sopport dual core (quard core?). And is there something being done about the UI from being such a huge preformance hog (mybe run it on another core?)
Syrin Wildfire Laboratrories	Posted - 2007.10.18 14:18:00 - [154] Edited by: Syrin on 18/10/2007 14:18:14 Originally by: Mad Axe I have two questions about Trinity, dont want to start a new topic so ill just bump this one up. Will the DX9 engine sopport dual core (quard core?). And is there something being done about the UI from being such a huge preformance hog (mybe run it on another core?) Games and other apps have to be specially written to take advantage of hyper-threading. Its taken them this long to do this update, lets not give them any ideas to slow down and implement this Edit for typos
Par'Gellen Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:12:00 - [155] There are many rumors now that multiple accounts on the same machine will no longer work with the new client. Please say it ain't so! --- To err is human. But it shouldn't be the company motto...
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:18:00 - [156] Originally by: Par'Gellen There are many rumors now that multiple accounts on the same machine will no longer work with the new client. Please say it ain't so! Lets hope not! We do not train to be merciful here. Mercy is for the weak. Here, in space, in competition. A man confronts you he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:26:00 - [157] Originally by: Par'Gellen There are many rumors now that multiple accounts on the same machine will no longer work with the new client. Please say it ain't so! I really doubt ccp would want to cut into its own profits like that, after all the multiple account business is most probably big bucks.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:28:00 - [158] Originally by: Par'Gellen There are many rumors now that multiple accounts on the same machine will no longer work with the new client. Please say it ain't so! I pointed out the important part. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Par'Gellen Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:30:00 - [159] Originally by: Sirial Soulfly Originally by: Par'Gellen There are many rumors now that multiple accounts on the same machine will no longer work with the new client. Please say it ain't so! I really doubt ccp would want to cut into its own profits like that, after all the multiple account business is most probably big bucks. I'm sure it is a huge income source. Unfortunately their refusal to answer this question even in their own threads where they answer other questions quite readily speaks quite loudly that is will no longer be possible. I'm sure their silence on this matter is simply that they are just trying to make sure the alts stay subbed as long as possible. Very disheartening... --- To err is human. But it shouldn't be the company motto...
Par'Gellen Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:31:00 - [160] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Par'Gellen There are many rumors now that multiple accounts on the same machine will no longer work with the new client. Please say it ain't so! I pointed out the important part. Very true. However a simple Yes/No from an offical source would dispell them all. --- To err is human. But it shouldn't be the company motto...
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:32:00 - [161] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 18/10/2007 15:32:20 Originally by: Par'Gellen Originally by: Sirial Soulfly Originally by: Par'Gellen There are many rumors now that multiple accounts on the same machine will no longer work with the new client. Please say it ain't so! I really doubt ccp would want to cut into its own profits like that, after all the multiple account business is most probably big bucks. I'm sure it is a huge income source. Unfortunately their refusal to answer this question even in their own threads where they answer other questions quite readily speaks quite loudly that is will no longer be possible. I'm sure their silence on this matter is simply that they are just trying to make sure the alts stay subbed as long as possible. Very disheartening... That is the biggest assumption I have ever heard. And makes absolutely no sense. Just because they don't respond to your question, which has been asked 100 times before, does not mean much of anything. There will be no change as far as I remember what was said. Unless your computer can't handle it anymore. So if you have a Voodoo 2, or a Rage card, you might want to update. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Par'Gellen Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:33:00 - [162] Edited by: Par''Gellen on 18/10/2007 15:33:37 Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 18/10/2007 15:32:20 Originally by: Par'Gellen Originally by: Sirial Soulfly Originally by: Par'Gellen There are many rumors now that multiple accounts on the same machine will no longer work with the new client. Please say it ain't so! I really doubt ccp would want to cut into its own profits like that, after all the multiple account business is most probably big bucks. I'm sure it is a huge income source. Unfortunately their refusal to answer this question even in their own threads where they answer other questions quite readily speaks quite loudly that is will no longer be possible. I'm sure their silence on this matter is simply that they are just trying to make sure the alts stay subbed as long as possible. Very disheartening... That is the biggest assumption I have ever heard. And makes absolutely no sense. Just because they don't respond to your question, which has been asked 100 times before, does not mean much of anything. There will be no change as far as I remember what was said. Unless your computer can't handle it anymore. So if you have a Voodoo 2, or a Rage card, you might want to update. I pointed out the important part. --- To err is human. But it shouldn't be the company motto...
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:34:00 - [163] Obviously the best way to silence these rumors is by releasing the new graphic engine for testing, but in that respect ccp strangely has been unwilling to comply
The Snowman Gallente Four Rings	Posted - 2007.10.18 16:02:00 - [164] Originally by: Sirial Soulfly Obviously the best way to silence these rumors is by releasing the new graphic engine for testing, but in that respect ccp strangely has been unwilling to comply I do wonder about this!.. I mean, in the interest of "shock and awe" are they just going to NOT give it a public test? While it would be nice to see it for the first time along with everyone else I do wonder about the effect of not testing it first
Jokawild Valley Forge	Posted - 2007.11.15 23:01:00 - [165]
Khandara Seraphim	Posted - 2007.11.15 23:09:00 - [166] is it a necro when it's only a month old? I'm viewing this thread as somebody giving CPR to an almost dead thread, but then having it suddenly spring back to life...
Tasari	Posted - 2007.11.15 23:55:00 - [167]
Thrawnfl	Posted - 2007.11.16 01:01:00 - [168] funny part is we still havent seen a dev blog about it.... I think that was all a lie to keep our hopes up to finding out more information before its actually release. I expect a dev blog about it 2 weeks after its release sometime in 2010.

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