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Aurran
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.09.18 01:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Carniflex
Lev 4 missions are fine on average. Granted there is some yawnfests out there, but angel vaganza is fine. It is not hard if you know what you are doing and are properly fitted, but it is challenging for low sp and/or turret pilots.
You see, not all people do missions in faction tanked ravens. If you are after challenge then you might try some other battleships or even HAC for level 4 missions. Or try lev 5 if you only after entertainment and not isk, altho if you would ask me I would suggest looking for other ways than PvE for entertainment 
QFT.
You are asking CCP to make missions harder when you do them in a faction fitted Raven, the BS that does them the best? You want a challenge, try running them in a HAC like he says.
If CCP make missions HARD for the Raven they'll be unplayable or close to it for other ships, especially Amarr since they need tons of cap to run their tank and guns.
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Kailiani
Fracked Up beyond All Recognition
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Posted - 2007.09.18 02:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kailiani on 18/09/2007 02:54:21
Originally by: Aurran
Originally by: Carniflex
Lev 4 missions are fine on average. Granted there is some yawnfests out there, but angel vaganza is fine. It is not hard if you know what you are doing and are properly fitted, but it is challenging for low sp and/or turret pilots.
You see, not all people do missions in faction tanked ravens. If you are after challenge then you might try some other battleships or even HAC for level 4 missions. Or try lev 5 if you only after entertainment and not isk, altho if you would ask me I would suggest looking for other ways than PvE for entertainment
QFT.
You are asking CCP to make missions harder when you do them in a faction fitted Raven, the BS that does them the best? You want a challenge, try running them in a HAC like he says.
If CCP make missions HARD for the Raven they'll be unplayable or close to it for other ships, especially Amarr since they need tons of cap to run their tank and guns.
Get rid of drone aggro and webbers. It hardly affects raven but is a big disavantage for turret and drone users. And give amarr high percentage of sansha/drone/blood(and fix bloodraider nos ) missions. Anything to balance it out.. then make the missions harder overall. Amarr are borked period on cap usage, so moot point.
Also its not like you cant train caldari... like we gotta train gallente to solo pvp... lol
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.09.18 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kailiani
Also its not like you cant train caldari... like we gotta train gallente to solo pvp... lol
Then why stop there. I run them in pair of faction fitted CNR's. Not for challenge but for isk. Let's make em all hard enough so I'm still able to do them 'for challenge' and ... you know it's not like you can't buy CNR and train second (or third) account so no need to let them be soloed in only single raven under 30 mil SP. Right ?
Fortunately PvE enviroment is not designed for for my personal entertainment but for empire population to have income other than mining yourself into comatose. 'Challenge' factor is quite ok for them. You can lose ships if you do foolish things, even faction fitted CNR's can die in some lev 4 missions if you don't have clue what you are doing.
PS. Solo PvP is myth. If you really really want to tho there is few caldary ships that work out ok in that section also. If you pick your fights with brains not some other bodyparts You might not be as effective in some situations than other races, but you can get the job done. Same as Raven vs other ships in missions.
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Law Enforcer
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Posted - 2007.09.18 11:04:00 -
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how about just making current level 5's level 6's and turn level 5 missions into very hard versions of level 4 missions with greatly bumped up LP as a reward.
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Sendraks
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.18 12:14:00 -
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Hmmm, whining about missions being too easy in a CNR.
Well that is a new and refreshing revelation.
Also new out this day.
Water is wet.
Fire burns.
Yellow snow may not consist entirely of water.
You know, level 3 missions are too easy when I do them in an Astarte. OMGZ CCP! Make level 3 missions harder please!!!
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Ghan Tylous
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.18 12:29:00 -
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level 4 missions are fine. Do level 5 missions if you need a challenge
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2007.09.18 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ghan Tylous
level 4 missions are fine. Do level 5 missions if you need a challenge
Then offer them in highsec, since I for the moment don't plan on doing missions in groups of 8 or more, the suggested method for getting highsec lvl 5's from lowsec agents without 4 hour delays between mission offers.
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Sendraks
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.18 13:51:00 -
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If missions are too easy, your options really are as follows.
1) Start doing level 5s.
2) Try to make the missions more challenging for yourself by flying something other than your current fiting and vessel.
The challenge of level 4 missions to players new to them is about right. Certainly they are at the point of being learnable and after a reasonable curve, it is realistic to expect that you'll have mastered them. At which point either you wait for a new challenge or find ways to learn from existing challenges.
I would welcome some more level 4 missions to learn, but the fine tuning here needs to be very careful. There is a practical limit to what any solo vessel can do in a mission before it requires a group approach (not unwelcome, but doesn't solve the problem for the solo runner). Otherwise it is basically a case of learning how the mission works and once you've learned it the mission is no longer a challenge.
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.09.18 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Originally by: Ghan Tylous
level 4 missions are fine. Do level 5 missions if you need a challenge
Then offer them in highsec, since I for the moment don't plan on doing missions in groups of 8 or more, the suggested method for getting highsec lvl 5's from lowsec agents without 4 hour delays between mission offers.
Then get yourself enough alts with proper standings. Not THAT hard with shared rewards and lev 5 mish needing only corp (or agent personal) standings to use.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2007.09.18 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 18/09/2007 15:52:46
Originally by: Carniflex
Then get yourself enough alts with proper standings. Not THAT hard with shared rewards and lev 5 mish needing only corp (or agent personal) standings to use.
You raised the level of sillyness quite out of proportion to my post, you know.
My point is simply that each and every persistant universe game should have a wide and balanced spectrum of difficulty in pve available. Looking at this thread, it seems that we now make a jump from AE, EA, WC (which can be soloed without much difficulty by a skillwise mediocre pve Domi pilot (BS 3, Guns 3, Sentries 4, remember?), without faction gear or T2 weapons) to group lowsec missioning or 8 member gangs / alts for highsec L5.
That seems like quite a jump in difficulty to me, I'd like to have something in between. Why is that so wrong?
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2007.09.18 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 18/09/2007 16:00:18
Originally by: Sendraks
I would welcome some more level 4 missions to learn, but the fine tuning here needs to be very careful. There is a practical limit to what any solo vessel can do in a mission before it requires a group approach (not unwelcome, but doesn't solve the problem for the solo runner). Otherwise it is basically a case of learning how the mission works and once you've learned it the mission is no longer a challenge.
Just make a few tougher missions and make their occurrence rare, or even so that you won't get it twice in the same 4 hours. Newbies, average solo runners and isk prostitutes can decline it and those who want to risk it have that option. Everybody wins, no solo runner problem.
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