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Balman Weissach	Posted - 2004.02.15 09:46:00 - [1] Hi. I'm looking for tke a BS. But I'm not s¹re of which i'll take. As A Minmatar, I'd like a Tempest. So I would like to have some advice on how to fit it (PvP and PvNPC)and to know which use it is better for this ship.
Pojo	Posted - 2004.02.15 10:49:00 - [2] Best tempest setup is to get a typhoon, I really dont know who would still be using one at this point. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.02.15 10:55:00 - [3] 4 1400mm's + 4 Malkuth Launchers in your high-slots. 1 Shield Amp, 1 XLarge Shield Booster, 1 EM tac shield, 1 Thermal tac shield, and 1 sensor booster in med-slots The lo-slots depend on your skills so a couple of dmg mods, couple of power diags/cap relays/or a co-processor. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
dalman	Posted - 2004.02.15 11:13:00 - [4] Edited by: dalman on 15/02/2004 11:17:04 Quote: Best tempest setup is to get a typhoon, I really dont know who would still be using one at this point. Why the heck would anyone want a Typhoon instead of a Tempest (except 'cause it's good looking, but so it the tempest...) M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Siddy	Posted - 2004.02.15 11:20:00 - [5] Edited by: Siddy on 15/02/2004 11:22:35 Quote: Edited by: dalman on 15/02/2004 11:17:04 Quote: Best tempest setup is to get a typhoon, I really dont know who would still be using one at this point. Why the heck would anyone want a Typhoon instead of a Tempest (except 'cause it's good looking, but so it the tempest...) Faster.. Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong range (i can get otimal to 88km whit lead,and my skills arent tuned that good yet ) Cheapper 1 less med slot but 1 more low slot look Evil got bigger drone bay got more CPU (and if u got powergrid problems, u got more low slots) Lighter... go rely fast whit 100MN MWD -------------------------------------------
dalman	Posted - 2004.02.15 11:39:00 - [6] Quote: Faster.. Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong range (i can get otimal to 88km whit lead,and my skills arent tuned that good yet ) Cheapper 1 less med slot but 1 more low slot look Evil got bigger drone bay got more CPU (and if u got powergrid problems, u got more low slots) Lighter... go rely fast whit 100MN MWD Sry, but none of these things makes it better than a Tempest for combat... M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Siddy	Posted - 2004.02.15 11:44:00 - [7] i am just saying whats beter in typhoon than tempest... tmpest got ofcorse insane Damage bonus to large guns but i find both ships be wery suittable for fleet combats -------------------------------------------
Pojo	Posted - 2004.02.15 12:22:00 - [8] Its simple all skills being somewhat equal a tanked typhoon will outcap a tanked tempest and after much fighting will win out. There is not reason to use a tempest what it offer above or beyond a typhoon is worthless, what it lacks compared to the typhoon makes all the difference. Example speed, locking times, getting locked time, drone space and most importantly that mighty seventh low slot. Tempest has long been retired from 1 on 1 pvps to gate ganking. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Barbicane	Posted - 2004.02.15 12:52:00 - [9] Quote: Its simple all skills being somewhat equal a tanked typhoon will outcap a tanked tempest and after much fighting will win out... Are you saying that in 1 vs 1 Typhoon vs Tempest with equal skills, the Typhoon will win?
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.02.15 12:57:00 - [10] Yeah, if the Typhoon gets up close with drones, 800mm's, and missiles, and the Tempest is using 1400mm's. If the Tempest is using 800mm's, though, the Typhoon is in trouble. I've used a Tempest before and I'm currently using a Typhoon setup for armour-tanking - I prefer the Typhoon, to be honest. I just have trouble getting over watching my shield disappear - I'm used to having VERY good Scorpion shields LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.02.15 13:38:00 - [11] I am another minmatar pilot confused as to whether to go for typhoon or tempest. Can any typhoon pilots tell me how they successfully combine the large amount of drones and 4 launcher hardpoints ? or are the drones for last resort ? It just seems to me that they are a strange mix and they are also big parts of the advantages of a typhoon as a BS. Cheers Rob
Evol Muhan	Posted - 2004.02.15 14:02:00 - [12] Edited by: Evol Muhan on 15/02/2004 14:03:29 Well I've used both and myself as nice as the typhoon is, I still like the tempest better. For me it's just more versatile, with the extra med slot and the 6 turrets. I can tank against most other ships, the typhoon can be a beast, but the tempest can chew though an opponent. They are both excelent ships. Evol "No rest for the wicked." Selling signatures starting at 3mil Isk, send eve-mail for info.
Balman Weissach	Posted - 2004.02.15 20:54:00 - [13] Thanks for your advices. But at first I was about to buy a Tempest. Now I'm less sure.... :/
LeMoose	Posted - 2004.02.15 21:09:00 - [14] my advice is start with the typhoon if it's your first bs. play around with 1400mm, 1200mm and 800mm guns for your turrets and some heavy missiles launchers. large shield booster, 1-2 wards, warp scrambler/sensor booster/shield amp for the last med slot. two counterballanced damage mods and some power diags, cap relays or whatever else you might need. and don't forget some drones.
Balman Weissach	Posted - 2004.02.15 21:39:00 - [15] You really give me troubles... What the advantage of taking first a Typhoon and spend after lot of money?
Kashre	Posted - 2004.02.15 21:44:00 - [16] Edited by: Kashre on 15/02/2004 21:46:39 Quote: Thanks for your advices. But at first I was about to buy a Tempest. Now I'm less sure.... :/ I think that in a fleet situation where being able to run your cap for 5 minutes doesnt really mater since 10 battleships will kill even a tanked Typhoon or Tempest in that time you might prefer to have a Tempets, because they can generate a buttload more damage than a Typhoon using 1400mm or 800mm artillery. But, I gotta agree with Pojo.. Ive messed around with both of them on Chaos in various setups, and the Typhoon is simply better for 1 vs 1 than the tempest, because the extra low slot and the superior CPU lets it use more cap relays and you totally outcap a tempest. Although one warning, the Typhoon I I think is a lot more skill intensive to use effectively. You can get by in a tempest with high Electronics and gun skills, but with a typhoon you need high Electronic, Enginerring, Drone Interfacing, Heavy Drone Operations, Missile skills, and gun skills to use it to full effect. +++ It's called "low security space" for a reason.
Pojo	Posted - 2004.02.15 22:36:00 - [17] One of the main reason for typhoon over other ships is the fact that it can have about 90% of its max damage output while shield tanking like mad. All you really have to sacrafice is one 1400mm turret for being a monster shield tank. If you go for smaller turrets then you dont even have to do that. Tempest can be setup to do more damage but you could never tank it as well as a typhoon period. The tempest advantages like more shield, structure, armor dont count as it will never get past shields on the typhoon. Typhoon is the most balanced ship in the game and enjoy perhaps too many advantages. Its very fast (183m/s with nav 4) and no speed mods, its very fast to lock and slow to get locked. It has a perfect 4/4 setup option with a drone bay to hold 14 ogres (almost 2 waves of 8). Its easily a match for any other bs in the game, it can stand up to raven torpeedo spam and has a good chance to win vs upclose mega/dom blaster setups. Of course the shield tank setup is more of repelant not really an attacking setup. The other guy will just warp out after his armor is half way. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Havocide	Posted - 2004.02.15 22:40:00 - [18] 5x 1400 3x h50 arbelest 1x large c5-l 1x anointed em 1x ditrigonal thermal 1x optical tracking cpu 1x f-90 sensor booster 2x counterbalanced weapon mounts 3x cap power relay 1x reactor control unit (thats my setup from memory)
Camar	Posted - 2004.02.16 00:02:00 - [19] Get an mwd on that set-up instead of thermal hardner and you got artillery that can stay the range and is a fearsome damage-dealer... ...and with the light all life vanished...
Slithereen	Posted - 2004.02.16 12:10:00 - [20] I tried three other battleships, but by the time I got to my Typhoon, I love it best. It seems to fit my style best, but then my style has been a drone-missile specialist, and many of my cruisers reflect that approach (Arbitrator, Bellicose, Celestis). The Typhoon is the ultimate embodiment of that approach. As for requiring high skills, by the time you reach a battleship or consider yourself worth of owning one, you should have those skills. You would already have much of these skills in place if you would master a Rupture or Bellicose. Now back to the topic of fitting a Tempest. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Sun Sliver	Posted - 2004.02.16 23:37:00 - [21] I have flown both the Typhoon and the Tempest. I think it really depends on your role which is better. #1 Typhoon is cheaper, by 30 mil currently i believe. It is the better miner bs for minmatar, and as said by others clearly the better droner. plus you stick a couple 1600mm armours on it and hype it up on shield in mid, trust me you can just sit back and call in the cavalry. I use it fleet combat in this role, get it close to our target ship instinct makes most peep lock/jam you while long range ships blast it apart. However I did switch to the tempest as main ship now as i prefer the 1 extra med slot for mwd (long range attacker) or a dampener or 2 sens boosters (firing missiles at a target at 110km is a good way to pepper your target before closing for kill). I think it is also the better solo pie hunter, as pies will reinforce jump in at 25km, the extra med slot for mwd lets you get good range while still having good shield defenses. Advice: I would never go pie hunting for 100k isk bounties are around without a mwd, unless you got some backup). There's my 2 cents worth
Balman Weissach	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:07:00 - [22] Edited by: Balman Weissach on 17/02/2004 20:10:47 Well you're all very interesting. But I still don't know which to choose. I'll try to explain how I'll use it to help you give me the best advice. First i'm not a natural born killer. I've never kill any ship (I mean players, just opened fire one or to time on ship I didn't destroyed). Second I'll buy this ship first to make me a small present! ;) About my combat style : I prefer long range combat, fast ship to keep the range. That's how I play the NPC. After reading your posts I think it would be interesting to "tank" a long range ship. To end, i'll ask you a few questions : 1) How the typhoon can be more tanked than the Tempest as it had lower shield and armor at the beginning? 2) Can the typhoon be a long range combat ship? 3) Which of the two ship would normally win a 1 to 1 combat with the same fitting (tanked, long range). One more time thanks for your answers! ;)
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:14:00 - [23] Typhoon is faster and gets a range bonus for L projectiles so that answers 2 of your questions. It has more lo-slots so you can really boost your cap compared to a Tempest. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Pojo	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:47:00 - [24] The only place tempest is better is if you in a fleet battle, having 6 turrets is better then having 4 turrets. In fleet battles you want max damage right away, you dont want to wait for missiles to hit. Everyone in a fleet just aims for one ship and it blows up in 10 seconds or less. Apocs with 8 turrets mixed in with tempests and some scorps for jamming will pwn pretty much any fleet battle. When you shiled tank or armor tank a ship its initial stats matter very little, in a shield tank the idea is to have the ability to regenerate shields faster then any one ship can dish it out. Your shields coulde be only a 1000 but if you can consistently regenerate 600 every few seconds the enemy will never get through. Shield tanking doesnt mean huge shield hp in fact its all about getting your cap to regenerate so fast that you can runs a shield booster non stop or close to it. Armor tanking is much the same, you add some plates to increse your armor hp but again you need to make sure your cap can support the armor repairers so they can run for ever. Typhoon is a better shield tank because its has 7 low slots which when filled with capacity relays produce a very good cap recharge rate. Tempest can get pretty close to same number but after a few minutes of fighting the capacity on the tempest will slowly but surely drain away, while the typhoon would level off around 50% capacity. Of course this assumes you are shooting the tempest with everything you got and he is forced to shield boost all the time. As previously mentioned the dmg mods are only needed if you are low on gunnery skills, after that they add very little, one may still be worth it depending on your situation but any more is just a waste of a low slot. Tracking is all in the skills as well, I have yet to notice an imporvement when using tracking computers if you have good skills. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
j0sephine	Posted - 2004.02.17 21:17:00 - [25] Edited by: j0sephine on 17/02/2004 21:18:43 "As previously mentioned the dmg mods are only needed if you are low on gunnery skills, after that they add very little" ... Just single damage mod gives 15-20% boost to damage (depending on the module type) which is equivalent of 3-4 skill levels for given turret. Wouldn't call it a 'very little' increase. In fact, it'll often make the very difference needed to overcome that xlarge booster working non-stop. :s
Cosh	Posted - 2004.02.17 22:26:00 - [26] I`m a projectile user and use counterbalanced weapon mounts - I thought these were the best in game and as such would be very interested in any low slot module that adds a 15-20% damage modifier
StoreSlem	Posted - 2004.02.17 22:30:00 - [27] Quote: I`m a projectile user and use counterbalanced weapon mounts - I thought these were the best in game and as such would be very interested in any low slot module that adds a 15-20% damage modifier 1.098/0.888 you do the math.
Pojo	Posted - 2004.02.17 22:44:00 - [28] Just did a quick check on chaos to see the real numbers. This is for a typhoon with 0, 1, 2 counterbalanced mods and 1400mm artilery. I guess it depends on what I consider a good trade of. Before I used to shield tank having at least 1 counter balanced dmg mod was a must. But now I rather use that low slot for the 7th cap relay. Tempest has a dmg bonus also so it would be a little higher. skill - 1 dmg - 2 dmg ---------------------- 6.54X - 7.18X - 7.65X damage modifier 14.29 - 12.69 - 11.70 rate of fire 287hp - 315hp - 336.6 clean damage per shot 1x1400xEmp 20.0 - 24.8 - 28.7 clean damage per second with 1x1400xEmp 28920 - 35744 - 41427 damage output over 5 minutes from 4x1400xEmp (exluding reloads) 17134 - 19554 - 22596 same as above but agianst 1x50%em and 1x50%thermal hardner. 25000 4xMissiles doing 225hp damage on average - 14 sec rof 22596+25000 = 47596 typhoon doing 4x1400 with 2dmg + 4xCruise (non tanked) 11862+25000 = 36862 typhoon doing 3x1400 with 0dmg + 4xCruise (tanked) 44928 1xXlrage + 1x30%amp over 5 min running non stop Even with 2 dmg mods and missiles coming towards a tanked typhoon it would just barely be enough to start overcoming the shield tank. While in the same 5 minutes of fighting the tanked typhoon would dish our nearly as much damage which would definetely destroy the other ship in less then 5 minutes. The cruise missile calculations are cruide but 225dmg for cruise is typical damage one gets when using wards. I rather be the typhoon thats dealing out a little less damage but can survive hella of a lot longer, the other ship will just run out of cap and die long before 5 minutes are up. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
j0sephine	Posted - 2004.02.18 01:03:00 - [29] "44928 1xXlrage + 1x30%amp over 5 min running non stop" ... now, now. Using c5-l here but stock 1400's is not exactly fair calculation, is it? Either use all rare gear, or all stock modules ^^; A slightly different take at the subject: * 4 x 1400 mm, Typhoon bonus at lvl.4, 2-3 damage mods giving 15% boost to damage and RoF = ~52 hp/sec * heavy launchers with cruise missiles = ~48 hp/sec * 8 wasp drones = ~52 hp/sec (that against hardened shield, with 1 em, 1 therm) versus xlarge shield booster with one amplifier = 106 hp restored/sec resulting damage = 45 hp/sec. time to get down typhoon shield (4750 hp) = 1.75 min The same with no damage mods: gun damage is down to ~37 hp/sec, resulting damage is down to 30 hp/sec. time to get down typhoon shield (4750 hp) = 2.6 min ... Quite a difference, isn't it? (guessing a ship with 4-5 cap relays is capable of running booster for ~1.5 min needed...)
Slithereen	Posted - 2004.02.18 01:55:00 - [30] Edited by: Slithereen on 18/02/2004 01:56:40 Quote: I`m a projectile user and use counterbalanced weapon mounts - I thought these were the best in game and as such would be very interested in any low slot module that adds a 15-20% damage modifier I don't think there is any that much, but the arrival of Gyrostabilizer II (dmg 1.10) is inevitable. Heat Sink II is already in the game and it exceeds the number offered by the Extruded Heat Sink, which is the top modded heat sink. Gyro II won't be loot dropped like tech 2 items; it will be manufactured once someone gets the BP. When that happens, sooner or later all expensive looted mods will be worthless, just as named mining lasers fell under the Miner II. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.

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