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Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 09:34:00 - [1] Originally by: Arron S Edited by: Arron S on 21/09/2007 02:20:29 Edited by: Arron S on 21/09/2007 02:20:12 This thread recivces the "Arron's stamp of approval", as it contains European Arrogance(EA), American Arrogance(AA) and Canadian Arrogance(CA). All with in the first page. Sadly, Noone has Bothered to bash the welsh or Newfies, so it only recivces a 4 star rating It was at this point that the thread started to go downhill. I was posting with my other main earlier, didn't notice sorry (Arianhod). Of course we are arrogant, we live in countries we love regardless of their current state of affairs, we all noticed. I was saying how Europes done things and adapted and a few Americans have said America has a great history, why criticise whats in the open? Back on topic, would it be an option to partition Iraq into Kurdish and Sunni states and try and make it work as a federation from there? As the US government has been very hypocrytical to the Arabs, don't be surprised that when they do democraticly elect people that hate the west for all they are worth - it's natural reaction. Democracy is a very western value, it came slowly to most countries and evolved from their taking their ideals and ammalgamating them into it. Look at Britian, we have the Wesminster system that is used in Canada aswell as Britian because of the way society evolved from a Totilitarian Monarchy to a Constitutional Monarchy. In Iraq culture has only ever know the way of an Empire in one form or another for generations - Democracy dosen't work in every nation though. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 09:36:00 - [2] Originally by: DarkMatter If you want to live in that kind of system, the EU is there for ya... We don't want that! Come on - the EU system works in the EU because thats what the people want to and are willing to work for. Two sides to the coin every time. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:02:00 - [3] Edited by: Kirjava on 21/09/2007 10:03:40 Originally by: Cornucopian Sunni and Kurdish? I doubt it. Turkey wont stand for a Kurdish state next to theirs, and they are already actively making sorties into northern Iraq territory to fight the Kurds there. Also, you forget the fact that Iraq has a Large Shi'ite community as well: all the holy places of the sunni and shi'ite peoples are mixed between eachother in iraq, its not like you can draw a line.... My apoligies,I forgot about Shi'ite prescense Well it would be like Partisioning Palestine, except maybe they could do it right this time. Have Shi'ite, Kurdish and Sunni states with neutral states run by a federal govenment in cooperation with the UN perhaps? Neutral states being those with high religious importance, Falluja I think would be one for instance. About a Kurdish state, I don't know what Turkeys problem is but certainly it would be used as a reason to bar Turkeys bid for EU ascension (though tbh I don't think they will ever get in anyway) or perhaps have sanctions placed on it should it continue after a federal Iraq is made? I'm told that part of the Islamic culture is the idea of a single Islamic nation, as these are all different sects of Islam perhaps it would be a foundation to spread as a union of the other Islamic countries? Ultimatlt the differnt sects should eb able to get past it (Catholics and Protestants got past it, India has done it reasonably well with Sikism (sp?) Buddism and Hinduism working as a nation, so just give it time.... Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:08:00 - [4] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: so just give it time.... And that's the whole problem isn't it? No one wants to give it time... They want the problem solved overnight... True - I would have thought that as the most powerful Nations on Earth we would at least have learnt Patience and Charity..... Owell.... Thats what some policies should be about, patience and teaching the man to fish.... And letting him keep that fish for whatever he wants to do with it, his life not ours. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:20:00 - [5] Originally by: DarkMatter Doesn't mean we need to change to the EU mega taxation style of government... US taxpayers will NEVER vote for that... You sound like just another America basher, hammering on your keyboard... Yawn... Next... I agree with the keyboard bashing - but at least the EU has competent people running the econemy on a way that seems to work quite well and plenty of national level developments. EU commissions corporations to do the work - the US is commissioned by the corporations (lobbyists) it seems.... Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:29:00 - [6] Originally by: Cornucopian Hindusim has been a melting pot of a thousand different religions since its inception, so integrating buddhism wasnt that hard (in comparison) Historically Catholix and Protestants have stopped fighting for, what, 20 years? N. Ireland? So that took 500 years. The violence between sunni and shi'ite hasnt even BEGUN imho. There have been some very nasty wars, but I think more will be in effect soon enough. Creating a few different states and then fedrating them is a contradictio in terminis because the two want nothing to do with eachother in the first place. They are more likely to poke eachothers eyes out at the moment than sit next to eachother in an iraqi congress To be frank then - should we just pull out and leave them to it then as we do with most places without oil? Yea maybe Catholic and Protestant wasn't the best example, but the fact that after the wars and violence that it can end is something. What my friends find funny is that only when Muslims are no longer in their homeland can they appreciate the peace of coexistence within Britian (a Shi'a from Iraq and a Sunni from Pakistan). Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:51:00 - [7] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Originally by: DarkMatter Good! We shall see who has the last laugh... I would advise you to not hold your breath as you wait for our demise... With this trend, i give USA another 10 years before complete bankrupcy. All your countries will give us foreign aid until we're back on our feet. You may not want to, but you (your governments that is) will, and you know it... So what's worse? Seeing us climb out of the crater ourselves, or you bailing us out? I guess take your pick... It's most likely whoever is the nest president, will widely swing the pendulum the other way as far as spending. Whether Democrat or Republican. So it's a given this trend will not continue... Just remember that Britian remembers when the US bailed us and most of Europe out after the second world war. If we bailed your economy out, US would be in debt to Brussles - we paid back our loan in 2002 due to massive interest, the same would happen to the USA (ie more taxes to the lenders). I leave it to you to decide what the correct course of action would be. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 11:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Unfortunately USA (and Europe) have indeed forgot how to manufacture on a mass scale; just take a look around and tell me how many things we have that are made in China/India/Durka Durkastan. Also, this isn't a time of growing world economy and US products would be too expensive for any unsaturated (read: third world) market. True that - a reason perhaps why EU/NAFTA should make it cheaper to manufacture at home for a home market as opposed to imports. I bet even the Japanese could find a way to make it cheaper to manufacture products in Japan and export to the world even then. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 22:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Ceyth How can a "great people" chose the same "bumbling idiot" to lead the oval office twice..? Our thoughts on Bush as only we can do it Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.22 11:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: Every legal mechanism required for dictatorial rule is now already in place: non-oversighted surveillance, habeas corpus is gone, citizenship can be removed by fiat, the right to public dissent is effectively gone, the electoral process is heavily compromised with international election monitoring not accepted, torture in now an acceptable method of interrogation LOL, ok He's spot-on. The only thing we lack is the snazzy uniforms. Germany = Fatherland. USSR = Motherland. America = Homeland. Wake up. America is no longer the land of the free, or the home of the brave. From an outside perspective it's true. We are getting a tad uncomfortable with the way the USA is going - how long till it decides that it wants North Sea oil, that we have WMD (we do ofc) and that we don't like the American government and it's money hungry corporations (also true). Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.22 12:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Kirjava From an outside perspective it's true. We are getting a tad uncomfortable with the way the USA is going - how long till it decides that it wants North Sea oil, that we have WMD (we do ofc) and that we don't like the American government and it's money hungry corporations (also true). No worries, my maple syrup-swilling, igloo-living brother to the North. When my country goes all jackboots-and-goosestepping, I'll be moving up that way and will be happy to help defend against the Fascisti. Afterwards, we can go for one of your incredibly good beers. You're buying. Thankyou for your wonderful comments about British and Eurpoean Produce. I can't say I live in an igloo though, flats are more my style. Maple syrup swilling only when I am having Riccota pancakes. I am certain that EU could give USA a jolly good thrashing before we all die so I boubt they will try anything funny. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.27 18:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Sheepactivator Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 18:24:20 Originally by: DarkMatter Ever heard of globalization? you mean the stuff that outsources jobs from the US to India and China? Guess what buddy, you are on the loosing end there. India and China will eat your midle class alive, and all you will be left with is the richest 10% and a huge lower class doing crime, drugs while dying from aids. What category do you belong to? Keep in mind the richest 10% is the people with as much money as Paris Hilton or Michael Jordan. 10% of the ppl own 70% of the wealth. That is american "democracy" for you. No, 80% of the worlds money in 20% of the population is the momentum left over from the Imperial age. We gave people their freedom back, which turned swifty to anarchy but why would we give anything else back after decolonialisation? Thats the mindset of the West in general. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.

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