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BIind Man	Posted - 2007.09.20 13:02:00 - [1] Edited by: BIind Man on 20/09/2007 13:02:16 its true really though.. ill be saving a lot of money on next comp etc
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 13:24:00 - [2] Yes, I'm noticing many more Canadian shoppers around here. More than usual... That's fine by me... My Current Project
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.20 14:35:00 - [3] The US needs a conservative government, the current administration is spending money like a drunken sailor. STAND OUT!
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.20 14:35:00 - [4] Euro still has the dollar beat though, it passed 1.40 dollars today. nice for epeen, less so for european export though. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Sereifex Daku Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:05:00 - [5] Tremble before the might of the Great British Pound
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:24:00 - [6] Edited by: Jago Kain on 20/09/2007 15:25:06 Originally by: Death Kill The US needs a conservative government, the current administration is spending money like a drunken sailor. Are you trying to tell us that the current US govt. is not conservative? Surely that's on a par with describing {well known WWII german guy that the filter doesn't like} as a wishy-washy liberal. The next revolution won't be televised; it'll be pod-cast.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:25:00 - [7] Everytime the canadian wildfire personnal come down to help us contain fires they clean the stores out with beer and cigarettes. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Jago Kain Are you trying to tell us that the current US govt. is not conservative? Look up the definition of conservative. Bush is anything but conservative. STAND OUT!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:40:00 - [9] Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/09/2007 15:40:18 Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Jago Kain Are you trying to tell us that the current US govt. is not conservative? Look up the definition of conservative. Bush is anything but conservative. Well, Hillary will be the next president. We won't be spending as much on Iraq/military/NASA/defense, but we will shift that spending to crappy social programs, and we'll simply get taxed more to bring the debt down... Bush is not a fiscal conservative, no... But Hillary is even less of a fiscal conservative. It' snot just the government. It seems most Americans have no problem living in personal debt. Some of the loans & credit card debts people here can seem to live with is asinine... People here are just not good with their money... My Current Project
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:44:00 - [10] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 20/09/2007 15:44:20 Originally by: DarkMatter NASA Because the Bush administration CLEARLY has a huge budget for NASA. Also, being fiscally conservative, and being a conservative are not necessarily equally. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:45:00 - [11] Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/09/2007 15:47:33 Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: DarkMatter NASA Because the Bush administration CLEARLY has a huge budget for NASA. No, it's not huge... But it isn't going to get any bigger with a Democratic administration, lol... Hillary will need 110 bill/year just for her stupid socialist healthcare system, we've spent 125 bill/year on the war. The war will still be raging when she becomes president, and it's not like you can just stop spending money on Iraq overnight. She will also have a whole host of other social programs to turn the US into the EU, as well as lower the deficit to boost her poll numbers. That cash has to come from somewhere... My Current Project
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:45:00 - [12] Originally by: DarkMatter we will shift that spending to crappy social programs, and we'll simply get taxed more to bring the debt down... As an American...dont you think its better to spend money on a fellow americans rather than the ISK sink in Iraq? STAND OUT!
Sereifex Daku Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:46:00 - [13] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/09/2007 15:40:18 Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Jago Kain Are you trying to tell us that the current US govt. is not conservative? Look up the definition of conservative. Bush is anything but conservative. Well, Hillary will be the next president. We won't be spending as much on Iraq/military/NASA/defense, but we will shift that spending to crappy social programs, and we'll simply get taxed more to bring the debt down... Bush is not a fiscal conservative, no... But Hillary is even less of a fiscal conservative. It' snot just the government. It seems most Americans have no problem living in personal debt. Some of the loans & credit card debts people here can seem to live with is asinine... People here are just not good with their money... I'm pretty sure American taxes are pretty low compared to taxes of many European nations. Plus it looks like there are, in fact, a lot of run down areas in the states. A few social programs here and there wouldn't do anybody any harm. As long as you don't see the flag of the hammer and sickle then I wouldn't worry.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:48:00 - [14] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: DarkMatter NASA Because the Bush administration CLEARLY has a huge budget for NASA. No, it's not huge... But it isn't going to get any bigger with a Democratic administration, lol... I added a bit more to my post. But I don't know if that is necessarily true. NASA is a bit of a different issue. It is hardly politicized during campiagns (at least since the cold war ended), and largely it flies under the radar. Democrat, or Republican, or Green Party, I don't think it is really going to cause a large difference in NASA's budget either way. Although, I will say that Bush's Moon/Mars plan was one of the most awful plans of the past 500 years. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:49:00 - [15] Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/09/2007 15:50:50 Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: DarkMatter we will shift that spending to crappy social programs, and we'll simply get taxed more to bring the debt down... As an American...dont you think its better to spend money on a fellow americans rather than the ISK sink in Iraq? Short term yes, long term no... Democrats can't see the big picture... Quote: Although, I will say that Bush's Moon/Mars plan was one of the most awful plans of the past 500 years. Not even worth discussing with you tbfh... Whatever you think man, I don't care... My Current Project
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Sereifex Daku As long as you don't see the flag of the hammer and sickle then I wouldn't worry. Very good, may I quote you on that one? Call to arms!!!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:52:00 - [17] Quote: I'm pretty sure American taxes are pretty low compared to taxes of many European nations Exactly, and it needs to stay that way! My Current Project
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:54:00 - [18] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 20/09/2007 15:54:06 Originally by: DarkMatter Not even worth discussing with you tbfh... Whatever you think man, I don't care... So then maybe you shouldn't talk about things you don't know? If you don't want to talk about it, you can ignore it, instead of saying something stupid. Then again, when you get to stuff like this, everyone acts like they are the new Thomas Paine. But I guess I just don't see the "big picture". Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:59:00 - [19] Originally by: DarkMatter Short term yes, long term no... Democrats can't see the big picture... Well, I think you fail to see the big picture. When a factory closes down in Idaho and reopens in china there may be thousands of unemployed Americans. Giving them food stamps will do nothing, thousands of people suddenly having their income reduced will affect the echonomy in the sense that those thousands wont be able to afford as much food as normal, cant visit the hairdresser as often, cant buy the new xbox game etc etc etc. Naturally this will effect the farmers, the hair saloons, the computer store etc etc. And they will all have to fire people because they had a reducement in custmomers. Its all a downword spiral. So instead, the government should care for those people until they get a new job....as not everyone can find a new job within 24 hours. Call to arms!!!
Sereifex Daku Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Sereifex Daku As long as you don't see the flag of the hammer and sickle then I wouldn't worry. Very good, may I quote you on that one? Go for it, dude.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:03:00 - [21] Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/09/2007 16:07:37 Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 20/09/2007 15:54:06 Originally by: DarkMatter Not even worth discussing with you tbfh... Whatever you think man, I don't care... So then maybe you shouldn't talk about things you don't know? If you don't want to talk about it, you can ignore it, instead of saying something stupid. Then again, when you get to stuff like this, everyone acts like they are the new Thomas Paine. But I guess I just don't see the "big picture". I'm not interested on what your opinion is concerning what manned space exploration missions should be. There are tons of different opinions on that... Go discuss that somewhere else... My Current Project
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:06:00 - [22] Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/09/2007 16:08:20 Quote: So instead, the government should care for those people until they get a new job....as not everyone can find a new job within 24 hours. And once the government starts taking care of these families, they will expect that handout for generations to come at my expense... How 'bout a big no to that... My Current Project
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:09:00 - [23] Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 16:11:40 Originally by: DarkMatter And once the government starts taking care of these families, they will expect that handout for generations to come... How 'bout a big no to that... How do you know this, do you have some type of magical crystal bowl? Put yourself in that situation, would you expect a handout or would you try desperatly to find a new job? The country I live in, has been the best country to live in for the past years. We have very generous welfare, but we also demand results. In other words if you dont perform you will be cut off. If you register as unempoyed and the unemployment office finds a job for you and you refuse to take it you will be cut off. I see no reason why the US shouldnt adopt this practise as it would reduce the amount of ghetto's and crime. Call to arms!!!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:15:00 - [24] Quote: How do you know this, do you have some type of magical crystal bowl? Put yourself in that situation, would you expect a handout or would you try desperatly to find a new job? Crystal BALL I had to take unemployment insurance for 3 months when I was laid off from work and was in school. What a demeaning feeling. However, many Americans do not feel demeaned at all by this, they see it as their right to not actually try to find a job, just call for a few interviews and purposely fail them so you can stay on unemployment insurance. I was in the same room with these idiots at the unemployment office. You give an inch, most ppl here will want a mile, then over time actually believe they deserve it unconditionally forever... Maybe the culture is different in your country, here ppl will scam, for all they can get away with. People also get very lazy, very easily & quickly. There are two "American ways" these days. One is to work hard the other is to sit and cry and scam your way through life utilizing government programs... The second camp is growing daily in this country... My Current Project
Sereifex Daku Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 16:11:40 Originally by: DarkMatter And once the government starts taking care of these families, they will expect that handout for generations to come... How 'bout a big no to that... How do you know this, do you have some type of magical crystal bowl? Put yourself in that situation, would you expect a handout or would you try desperatly to find a new job? The country I live in, has been the best country to live in for the past years. We have very generous welfare, but we also demand results. In other words if you dont perform you will be cut off. If you register as unempoyed and the unemployment office finds a job for you and you refuse to take it you will be cut off. I see no reason why the US shouldnt adopt this practise as it would reduce the amount of ghetto's and crime. I concur. Sometimes it may seem like these people get lots of our tax money for doing nothing, and sometimes one or two of them o manage to trick the government into filling their pockets. However, most of the time you only get given just enough money to survive until they can get back on their feet.
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:21:00 - [26] ...back to the original topic At least our money doesn't have some old woman on it. ------ wait...what?
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 16:11:40 Originally by: DarkMatter And once the government starts taking care of these families, they will expect that handout for generations to come... How 'bout a big no to that... How do you know this, do you have some type of magical crystal bowl? Put yourself in that situation, would you expect a handout or would you try desperatly to find a new job? The country I live in, has been the best country to live in for the past years. We have very generous welfare, but we also demand results. In other words if you dont perform you will be cut off. If you register as unempoyed and the unemployment office finds a job for you and you refuse to take it you will be cut off. I see no reason why the US shouldnt adopt this practise as it would reduce the amount of ghetto's and crime. I concur. Sometimes it may seem like these people get lots of our tax money for doing nothing, and sometimes one or two of them o manage to trick the government into filling their pockets. However, most of the time you only get given just enough money to survive until they can get back on their feet. Come check out the welfare families in this country, you will see most of them have no desire to get back on their feet... They would rather milk the system... I'm sorry, but I doubt Norway has the social & cultural hurdles to deal with that the US has... I envy your country for it. A small, almost singular minded people of all basically the same race, who are very like minded compared to my country. I'm glad the system works for your country. It wouldn't work here... My Current Project
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:29:00 - [28] Originally by: DarkMatter I'm sorry, but I doubt Norway has the social & cultural hurdles to deal with that the US has... I envy your country for it. A small, almost singular minded people of all basically the same race, who are very like minded compared to my country. I'm glad the system works for your country. It wouldn't work here... 25% of my hometown Oslo has people from non western countries. You can compare Oslo with New York if you like. The first college I went to 89% of the students were from outside the west. Imigration from other countries has been happening here for the past 40 years....as in the rest of European countries. The US is nothing special when it comes to immigration other than it has had it for a longer period. Call to arms!!!
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:30:00 - [29] Originally by: DarkMatter Something dumb and not on the right topic. Then I suggest you actually go re-read what I said. Nowhere did I say anything about what manned missions should or shouldn't be. I succinctly mentioned what happens when a NASA system starts to get over-politicized. Ridiculous programs get started, that are poorly implemented, without the proper funding, and taking away from proven programs. But then again, you seem to only be interested in talking about the most polarized parts of the political spectrum, because that way you can make gross assumptions like what "most" people on Welfare are like. Other countries did not start as some great social mecca, it takes time, and it takes work. The theory of "Our countries are different, so we shouldn't do that" is not an acceptable defense, because we have to start somewhere. People talk about democrats being "defeatists" all the time, but nothing seems like a bigger defeatest attitude than that. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:36:00 - [30] Quote: I succinctly mentioned what happens when a NASA system starts to get over-politicized. Ridiculous programs get started, that are poorly implemented, without the proper funding, and taking away from proven programs. And this is new? How exactly? Anytime politicians get involved, of course things get screwed up. All I was saying is generally, in the past, Republican administrations are a bit kinder to NASA than a Democratic one. You can spout off all the other crap if you want, I don't care... That's not what we're discussing here. NASA is not a make a break government program, that's not what I was implying when I included it... My Current Project

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