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Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 09:34:00 - [181] Originally by: Arron S Edited by: Arron S on 21/09/2007 02:20:29 Edited by: Arron S on 21/09/2007 02:20:12 This thread recivces the "Arron's stamp of approval", as it contains European Arrogance(EA), American Arrogance(AA) and Canadian Arrogance(CA). All with in the first page. Sadly, Noone has Bothered to bash the welsh or Newfies, so it only recivces a 4 star rating It was at this point that the thread started to go downhill. I was posting with my other main earlier, didn't notice sorry (Arianhod). Of course we are arrogant, we live in countries we love regardless of their current state of affairs, we all noticed. I was saying how Europes done things and adapted and a few Americans have said America has a great history, why criticise whats in the open? Back on topic, would it be an option to partition Iraq into Kurdish and Sunni states and try and make it work as a federation from there? As the US government has been very hypocrytical to the Arabs, don't be surprised that when they do democraticly elect people that hate the west for all they are worth - it's natural reaction. Democracy is a very western value, it came slowly to most countries and evolved from their taking their ideals and ammalgamating them into it. Look at Britian, we have the Wesminster system that is used in Canada aswell as Britian because of the way society evolved from a Totilitarian Monarchy to a Constitutional Monarchy. In Iraq culture has only ever know the way of an Empire in one form or another for generations - Democracy dosen't work in every nation though. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 09:36:00 - [182] Originally by: DarkMatter If you want to live in that kind of system, the EU is there for ya... We don't want that! Come on - the EU system works in the EU because thats what the people want to and are willing to work for. Two sides to the coin every time. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.21 09:48:00 - [183] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: DarkMatter If you want to live in that kind of system, the EU is there for ya... We don't want that! Come on - the EU system works in the EU because thats what the people want to and are willing to work for. Two sides to the coin every time. Our system worked well once, when the politicians weren't corrupt. We can be that way again. We don't want your system, nor do we need it... Even if we could just get an independent party off the ground, you would see a major improvement... We don't need a wholesale change to a system of taxation Americans fundamentally disagree with. No way. My Current Project
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.21 09:50:00 - [184] Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 21/09/2007 09:51:32 Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 21/09/2007 09:50:14 Hello, I think Darkmatter is a sophisticated troll or very stupid. Which one? Edit: also lmao @ his last post. Nixon? Politicians doing affairs with National Socialist Germany in the 30's? Get a grip on reality. Stop spewing your ********ness on the internet.
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.21 09:51:00 - [185] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Arron S Edited by: Arron S on 21/09/2007 02:20:29 Edited by: Arron S on 21/09/2007 02:20:12 This thread recivces the "Arron's stamp of approval", as it contains European Arrogance(EA), American Arrogance(AA) and Canadian Arrogance(CA). All with in the first page. Sadly, Noone has Bothered to bash the welsh or Newfies, so it only recivces a 4 star rating It was at this point that the thread started to go downhill. I was posting with my other main earlier, didn't notice sorry (Arianhod). Of course we are arrogant, we live in countries we love regardless of their current state of affairs, we all noticed. I was saying how Europes done things and adapted and a few Americans have said America has a great history, why criticise whats in the open? Back on topic, would it be an option to partition Iraq into Kurdish and Sunni states and try and make it work as a federation from there? As the US government has been very hypocrytical to the Arabs, don't be surprised that when they do democraticly elect people that hate the west for all they are worth - it's natural reaction. Democracy is a very western value, it came slowly to most countries and evolved from their taking their ideals and ammalgamating them into it. Look at Britian, we have the Wesminster system that is used in Canada aswell as Britian because of the way society evolved from a Totilitarian Monarchy to a Constitutional Monarchy. In Iraq culture has only ever know the way of an Empire in one form or another for generations - Democracy dosen't work in every nation though. Sunni and Kurdish? I doubt it. Turkey wont stand for a Kurdish state next to theirs, and they are already actively making sorties into northern Iraq territory to fight the Kurds there. Also, you forget the fact that Iraq has a Large Shi'ite community as well: all the holy places of the sunni and shi'ite peoples are mixed between eachother in iraq, its not like you can draw a line.... ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.21 09:56:00 - [186] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 21/09/2007 09:51:32 Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 21/09/2007 09:50:14 Hello, I think Darkmatter is a sophisticated troll or very stupid. Which one? Edit: also lmao @ his last post. Nixon? Politicians doing affairs with National Socialist Germany in the 30's? Get a grip on reality. Stop spewing your ********ness on the internet. Hey, guess what? Nobody cares what you think... And where the hell did I ever mention Nixon? Whatever dude... My Current Project
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:02:00 - [187] Edited by: Kirjava on 21/09/2007 10:03:40 Originally by: Cornucopian Sunni and Kurdish? I doubt it. Turkey wont stand for a Kurdish state next to theirs, and they are already actively making sorties into northern Iraq territory to fight the Kurds there. Also, you forget the fact that Iraq has a Large Shi'ite community as well: all the holy places of the sunni and shi'ite peoples are mixed between eachother in iraq, its not like you can draw a line.... My apoligies,I forgot about Shi'ite prescense Well it would be like Partisioning Palestine, except maybe they could do it right this time. Have Shi'ite, Kurdish and Sunni states with neutral states run by a federal govenment in cooperation with the UN perhaps? Neutral states being those with high religious importance, Falluja I think would be one for instance. About a Kurdish state, I don't know what Turkeys problem is but certainly it would be used as a reason to bar Turkeys bid for EU ascension (though tbh I don't think they will ever get in anyway) or perhaps have sanctions placed on it should it continue after a federal Iraq is made? I'm told that part of the Islamic culture is the idea of a single Islamic nation, as these are all different sects of Islam perhaps it would be a foundation to spread as a union of the other Islamic countries? Ultimatlt the differnt sects should eb able to get past it (Catholics and Protestants got past it, India has done it reasonably well with Sikism (sp?) Buddism and Hinduism working as a nation, so just give it time.... Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:05:00 - [188] Quote: so just give it time.... And that's the whole problem isn't it? No one wants to give it time... They want the problem solved overnight... My Current Project
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:08:00 - [189] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: so just give it time.... And that's the whole problem isn't it? No one wants to give it time... They want the problem solved overnight... True - I would have thought that as the most powerful Nations on Earth we would at least have learnt Patience and Charity..... Owell.... Thats what some policies should be about, patience and teaching the man to fish.... And letting him keep that fish for whatever he wants to do with it, his life not ours. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:12:00 - [190] Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 21/09/2007 10:12:26 Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 21/09/2007 09:51:32 Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 21/09/2007 09:50:14 Hello, I think Darkmatter is a sophisticated troll or very stupid. Which one? Edit: also lmao @ his last post. Nixon? Politicians doing affairs with National Socialist Germany in the 30's? Get a grip on reality. Stop spewing your ******ness on the internet. Hey, guess what? Nobody cares what you think... And where the hell did I ever mention Nixon? Whatever dude... Guess what, no one cares about what you think either! It's wonderful! Oh, and I was just noting the fact that your stupid rambling about US politicians being corrupted is flawed. The USA (every democracy to be honest) have a long history of corrupted/dishonest politicians. Contra-Iran? Cia fundings with *****? Get a grip on reality. The last years of US administration will be hard to cure: a massive debt, crude international relations, a HIGHER terrorist threat (yes; you aren't winning the so-called war on terror), and the US army bogged down in not one but TWO Vietnam 2.0, with the consequent flux of coffins from there. EDIT: looks like coca-ine is filtered.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:16:00 - [191] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 21/09/2007 10:12:26 Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 21/09/2007 09:51:32 Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 21/09/2007 09:50:14 Hello, I think Darkmatter is a sophisticated troll or very stupid. Which one? Edit: also lmao @ his last post. Nixon? Politicians doing affairs with National Socialist Germany in the 30's? Get a grip on reality. Stop spewing your ******ness on the internet. Hey, guess what? Nobody cares what you think... And where the hell did I ever mention Nixon? Whatever dude... Guess what, no one cares about what you think either! It's wonderful! Oh, and I was just noting the fact that your stupid rambling about US politicians being corrupted is flawed. The USA (every democracy to be honest) have a long history of corrupted/dishonest politicians. Contra-Iran? Cia fundings with *****? Get a grip on reality. The last years of US administration will be hard to cure: a massive debt, crude international relations, a HIGHER terrorist threat (yes; you aren't winning the so-called war on terror), and the US army bogged down in not one but TWO Vietnam 2.0, with the consequent flux of coffins from there. EDIT: looks like coca-ine is filtered. Doesn't mean we need to change to the EU mega taxation style of government... US taxpayers will NEVER vote for that... You sound like just another America basher, hammering on your keyboard... Yawn... Next... My Current Project
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:19:00 - [192] Mega taxation? You do realize that if you don't reduce or at the very least STOP adding new debt, your taxes will go into just paying the interests for it, or don't you?
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:20:00 - [193] Originally by: DarkMatter Doesn't mean we need to change to the EU mega taxation style of government... US taxpayers will NEVER vote for that... You sound like just another America basher, hammering on your keyboard... Yawn... Next... I agree with the keyboard bashing - but at least the EU has competent people running the econemy on a way that seems to work quite well and plenty of national level developments. EU commissions corporations to do the work - the US is commissioned by the corporations (lobbyists) it seems.... Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:22:00 - [194] Originally by: Kirjava Edited by: Kirjava on 21/09/2007 10:03:40 Originally by: Cornucopian Sunni and Kurdish? I doubt it. Turkey wont stand for a Kurdish state next to theirs, and they are already actively making sorties into northern Iraq territory to fight the Kurds there. Also, you forget the fact that Iraq has a Large Shi'ite community as well: all the holy places of the sunni and shi'ite peoples are mixed between eachother in iraq, its not like you can draw a line.... My apoligies,I forgot about Shi'ite prescense Well it would be like Partisioning Palestine, except maybe they could do it right this time. Have Shi'ite, Kurdish and Sunni states with neutral states run by a federal govenment in cooperation with the UN perhaps? Neutral states being those with high religious importance, Falluja I think would be one for instance. About a Kurdish state, I don't know what Turkeys problem is but certainly it would be used as a reason to bar Turkeys bid for EU ascension (though tbh I don't think they will ever get in anyway) or perhaps have sanctions placed on it should it continue after a federal Iraq is made? I'm told that part of the Islamic culture is the idea of a single Islamic nation, as these are all different sects of Islam perhaps it would be a foundation to spread as a union of the other Islamic countries? Ultimatlt the differnt sects should eb able to get past it (Catholics and Protestants got past it, India has done it reasonably well with Sikism (sp?) Buddism and Hinduism working as a nation, so just give it time.... Hindusim has been a melting pot of a thousand different religions since its inception, so integrating buddhism wasnt that hard (in comparison) Historically Catholix and Protestants have stopped fighting for, what, 20 years? N. Ireland? So that took 500 years. The violence between sunni and shi'ite hasnt even BEGUN imho. There have been some very nasty wars, but I think more will be in effect soon enough. Creating a few different states and then fedrating them is a contradictio in terminis because the two want nothing to do with eachother in the first place. They are more likely to poke eachothers eyes out at the moment than sit next to eachother in an iraqi congress ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:22:00 - [195] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Mega taxation? You do realize that if you don't reduce or at the very least STOP adding new debt, your taxes will go into just paying the interests for it, or don't you? Our debt cycles with administrations... Always has, always will... That's nothing new... But if many of you hope and pray this is the end of the USA, good for you! You're getting what your heart so greatly desires! Just sit back and watch us die... My Current Project
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:24:00 - [196] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Mega taxation? You do realize that if you don't reduce or at the very least STOP adding new debt, your taxes will go into just paying the interests for it, or don't you? Our debt cycles with administrations... Always has, always will... That's nothing new... But if many of you hope and pray this is the end of the USA, good for you! You're getting what your heart so greatly desires! Just sit back and watch us die... I will indeed enjoy it.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:29:00 - [197] Originally by: Cornucopian Hindusim has been a melting pot of a thousand different religions since its inception, so integrating buddhism wasnt that hard (in comparison) Historically Catholix and Protestants have stopped fighting for, what, 20 years? N. Ireland? So that took 500 years. The violence between sunni and shi'ite hasnt even BEGUN imho. There have been some very nasty wars, but I think more will be in effect soon enough. Creating a few different states and then fedrating them is a contradictio in terminis because the two want nothing to do with eachother in the first place. They are more likely to poke eachothers eyes out at the moment than sit next to eachother in an iraqi congress To be frank then - should we just pull out and leave them to it then as we do with most places without oil? Yea maybe Catholic and Protestant wasn't the best example, but the fact that after the wars and violence that it can end is something. What my friends find funny is that only when Muslims are no longer in their homeland can they appreciate the peace of coexistence within Britian (a Shi'a from Iraq and a Sunni from Pakistan). Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:30:00 - [198] Edited by: DarkMatter on 21/09/2007 10:30:19 Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Mega taxation? You do realize that if you don't reduce or at the very least STOP adding new debt, your taxes will go into just paying the interests for it, or don't you? Our debt cycles with administrations... Always has, always will... That's nothing new... But if many of you hope and pray this is the end of the USA, good for you! You're getting what your heart so greatly desires! Just sit back and watch us die... I will indeed enjoy it. Good! We shall see who has the last laugh... I would advise you to not hold your breath as you wait for our demise... My Current Project
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:33:00 - [199] Originally by: DarkMatter Good! We shall see who has the last laugh... The rich. Assuming we don't get to them first.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:35:00 - [200] Originally by: DarkMatter Good! We shall see who has the last laugh... I would advise you to not hold your breath as you wait for our demise... With this trend, i give USA another 10 years before complete bankrupcy.
Doctor Funcleroy	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:38:00 - [201] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus ]With this trend, i give USA another 10 years before complete bankrupcy. I wonder how long it will be before the US treasury starts wondering if Russia will be willing to issue a refund for Alaska.... That might bump it up to 12 years.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:38:00 - [202] I was actually 3 years old the last time the Canadian dollar was worth more than the US dollar... I think my families annual trek to North Bay Ontario for a summer vacation is over. We'll find some place in the States to go... My Current Project
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:38:00 - [203] Originally by: Jago Kain Edited by: Jago Kain on 20/09/2007 15:25:06 Originally by: Death Kill The US needs a conservative government, the current administration is spending money like a drunken sailor. Are you trying to tell us that the current US govt. is not conservative? Surely that's on a par with describing {well known WWII german guy that the filter doesn't like} as a wishy-washy liberal. What's conservative about it? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:39:00 - [204] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Everytime the canadian wildfire personnal come down to help us contain fires they clean the stores out with beer and cigarettes. Say... did you ever find out just how all those fires got started? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:43:00 - [205] Originally by: Malcanis What's conservative about it? The large defense budget / legislate morality part. Rampant spending, insane governmental growth, throwing the Constitution out the window... not so much.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:47:00 - [206] Edited by: DarkMatter on 21/09/2007 10:49:06 Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Originally by: DarkMatter Good! We shall see who has the last laugh... I would advise you to not hold your breath as you wait for our demise... With this trend, i give USA another 10 years before complete bankrupcy. All your countries will give us foreign aid until we're back on our feet. You may not want to, but you (your governments that is) will, and you know it... So what's worse? Seeing us climb out of the crater ourselves, or you bailing us out? I guess take your pick... It's most likely whoever is the nest president, will widely swing the pendulum the other way as far as spending. Whether Democrat or Republican. So it's a given this trend will not continue at it's current rate. I of course am hoping for a fiscally conservative Republican to win the election... But unfortunately it will be Hillary... My Current Project
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:48:00 - [207] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:52:36 Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:51:58 Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:50:53 Originally by: DarkMatter What does that have to do with what type of government I want? I don't want to live in a country where I'm taxed to death, no thanks... Your government has given you a huuuuuge budget deficit, you owe money left and right. China owns a lot of your country, so does saudi Arabia. Your president dont care as hes a rich ** who only cares about himself just like his dad. Saudi Arabia is an exporter of wahabiism, yet your so called war presidents holds hand with those s when they visit the US. Think about that for a minute. They don't own a "LOT" of our country... They bought off debt. And what are they going to do, come and collect it from us some day in terms of land or properties here in the US? Sure, ok... Try it... Don't worry, Hillary will tax the crap out of us to decrease the deficit... Um? Historically, it's Republican presidents who run up the deficit. That's a simple matter of fact. In fact almost 80% of your national debt was created by just the 3 most recent republican administrations. BTW, Bush II has increased Federal spending by 60%**. Jeez, how "liberal" (with your money) do you want it? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:49:00 - [208] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 21/09/2007 10:49:06 Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Originally by: DarkMatter Good! We shall see who has the last laugh... I would advise you to not hold your breath as you wait for our demise... With this trend, i give USA another 10 years before complete bankrupcy. All your countries will give us foreign aid until we're back on our feet. You may not want to, but you (your governments that is) will, and you know it... So what's worse? Seeing us climb out of the crater ourselves, or you bailing us out? I guess take your pick... It's most likely whoever is the nest president, will widely swing the pendulum the other way as far as spending. Whether Democrat or Republican. So it's a given this trend will not continue at it's current rate. I of course am hoping for a fiscally conservative Republican to win the election... But unfortunately it will be Hillary... So welfare for poor people is bad, but welfare for rich countries is good...? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:51:00 - [209] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:52:36 Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:51:58 Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:50:53 Originally by: DarkMatter What does that have to do with what type of government I want? I don't want to live in a country where I'm taxed to death, no thanks... Your government has given you a huuuuuge budget deficit, you owe money left and right. China owns a lot of your country, so does saudi Arabia. Your president dont care as hes a rich ** who only cares about himself just like his dad. Saudi Arabia is an exporter of wahabiism, yet your so called war presidents holds hand with those s when they visit the US. Think about that for a minute. They don't own a "LOT" of our country... They bought off debt. And what are they going to do, come and collect it from us some day in terms of land or properties here in the US? Sure, ok... Try it... Don't worry, Hillary will tax the crap out of us to decrease the deficit... Um? Historically, it's Republican presidents who run up the deficit. That's a simple matter of fact. In fact almost 80% of your national debt was created by just the 3 most recent republican administrations. BTW, Bush II has increased Federal spending by 60%**. Jeez, how "liberal" (with your money) do you want it? Yes, that is the pattern. Republicans run up the deficit, Democrats tax us more to pay it off... This is why we need a 3rd party... My Current Project
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.21 10:51:00 - [210] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Originally by: DarkMatter Good! We shall see who has the last laugh... I would advise you to not hold your breath as you wait for our demise... With this trend, i give USA another 10 years before complete bankrupcy. All your countries will give us foreign aid until we're back on our feet. You may not want to, but you (your governments that is) will, and you know it... So what's worse? Seeing us climb out of the crater ourselves, or you bailing us out? I guess take your pick... It's most likely whoever is the nest president, will widely swing the pendulum the other way as far as spending. Whether Democrat or Republican. So it's a given this trend will not continue... Just remember that Britian remembers when the US bailed us and most of Europe out after the second world war. If we bailed your economy out, US would be in debt to Brussles - we paid back our loan in 2002 due to massive interest, the same would happen to the USA (ie more taxes to the lenders). I leave it to you to decide what the correct course of action would be. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.

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