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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.20 16:37:00 -
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Quote: You treat your population as a nation of freeloading criminals they are going to act that way.
Exactly, hence no free rides... It's quite simple...
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BIind Man
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Posted - 2007.09.20 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius ...back to the original topic
At least our money doesn't have some old woman on it.
but, beavers OWN! 
(this thread has gone into clickylock territory now)
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.09.20 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: You treat your population as a nation of freeloading criminals they are going to act that way.
Exactly, hence no free rides... It's quite simple...
but if the oposite ment less freeloadres and criminals...wouldnt that be a good thing?
I mean wouldnt it be great to remove the need for a gated community?
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Siggi Syra
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Posted - 2007.09.20 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Siggi Syra on 20/09/2007 16:42:20
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.09.20 16:43:00 -
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The might US Peso will come back to defeat you, Canadians!
 
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.20 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/09/2007 16:48:17
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: You treat your population as a nation of freeloading criminals they are going to act that way.
Exactly, hence no free rides... It's quite simple...
but if the oposite ment less freeloadres and criminals...wouldnt that be a good thing?
I mean wouldnt it be great to remove the need for a gated community?
I'm sorry, but I guess you don't understand the diversity here, not just in race, but in mindset, cultural mindset...
It would never work here. We already have social security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare... All these programs were instituted to do just what you think we should be doing. They have all been tremendous failures, both for the recipients' future contributions to society and for those of us who have to pay for this crap...
ppl here are greedy, they want to do the least amount of work for the most gain. It's a mindset, that mindset pervades all cultures who have immigrated here. It has crossed the boundaries of race. We already have programs like that. THEY DON'T WORK!
Giving even more money WON'T WORK EVEN MORE!
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Death Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.20 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
I'm sorry, but I guess you don't understand the diversity here, not just in race, but in mindset, cultural mindset...
That may be the case, but why not try something new?
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It would never work here. We already have social security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare... All these programs were instituted to do just what you think we should be doing. They have all been tremendous failures, both for the recipients' future contributions to society and for those of us who have to pay for this crap...
You have a joke of social security, your welfare is a joke compared to lets say the Nordic countries.
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ppl here are greedy, they want to do the least amount of work for the most gain. It's a mindset, that mindset pervades all cultures who have immigrated here. It has crossed the boundaries of race. We already have programs like that. THEY DON'T WORK!
All people have the potential of being greedy. Why would americans be less flexible than others? Whats stopping you from trying to make a change instead of just giving up...being quitters?
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Giving even more money WON'T WORK EVEN MORE!
You are so wrong.
If a couple have children and they are drug addicts or alcoholics they will benefit from welfare. The only one suffering from your type of 'welfare' will be those children.
with welfare those kids wont have to sell drugs or prostitute themselves.
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Cornucopian
Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.20 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 16:11:40
Originally by: DarkMatter
And once the government starts taking care of these families, they will expect that handout for generations to come... How 'bout a big no to that...
How do you know this, do you have some type of magical crystal bowl? Put yourself in that situation, would you expect a handout or would you try desperatly to find a new job?
The country I live in, has been the best country to live in for the past years. We have very generous welfare, but we also demand results. In other words if you dont perform you will be cut off. If you register as unempoyed and the unemployment office finds a job for you and you refuse to take it you will be cut off.
I see no reason why the US shouldnt adopt this practise as it would reduce the amount of ghetto's and crime.
DK, everytime you stand up for your country you forget one thing..... your beer is still too expensive!!!!! ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
complete win by Cornucopian!
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:01:00 -
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Quote: with welfare those kids wont have to sell drugs or prostitute themselves
LOL, yeah sure!
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Cornucopian
Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:01:00 -
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perhaps it would also be a plan to stop aggrandizing the gangsta life in popular media, that might help a little. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
complete win by Cornucopian!
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian perhaps it would also be a plan to stop aggrandizing the gangsta life in popular media, that might help a little.
That would be a violation of freedom of speech and censorship...
You have to understand here guys. Michael Vick is looked upon as more of a hero to the gangsta crowd now for getting busted for dog fighting than he ever was for being a football player.
That's sick & twisted, but that's America.
I'm thinking I'm going to have to emmigrate out of the USA someday when it becomes too much like the EU...
I need to find a country that is like what the USA was during the 40's to go live in...
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
I'm thinking I'm going to have to emmigrate out of the USA someday when it becomes too much like the EU...
Whats wrong with the EU? Given the situation you described a few EU policies woulden't be a bad thing - sounds like it can't **** up the system anymore than Bush's party has.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/09/2007 17:25:04
Originally by: Arianhod
Originally by: DarkMatter
I'm thinking I'm going to have to emmigrate out of the USA someday when it becomes too much like the EU...
Whats wrong with the EU? Given the situation you described a few EU policies woulden't be a bad thing - sounds like it can't **** up the system anymore than Bush's party has.
The Bush administration hasn't screwed any of this up. These problems have been around for decades... Through various administrations...
You all hate Bush for one thing, Iraq... That's pretty much all he has done since he got into office.
All the welfare & healthcare crap has been a problem since before I was friggin born...
And every time Democrats hold the throne, we get more useless government social spending, and more taxes... That may be the way the EU does it, but that's not what America is about, or why it was created... We don't need to be like the EU... If people in the USA want that, they can go move to the damn EU...
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Cornucopian
Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Originally by: Cornucopian perhaps it would also be a plan to stop aggrandizing the gangsta life in popular media, that might help a little.
That would be a violation of freedom of speech and censorship...
You have to understand here guys. Michael Vick is looked upon as more of a hero to the gangsta crowd now for getting busted for dog fighting than he ever was for being a football player.
That's sick & twisted, but that's America.
I'm thinking I'm going to have to emmigrate out of the USA someday when it becomes too much like the EU...
I need to find a country that is like what the USA was during the 40's to go live in...
singapore would suit you. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
complete win by Cornucopian!
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:27:46 Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:27:16
Originally by: DarkMatter
You all hate Bush for one thing, Iraq... That's pretty much all he has done since he got into office.
Bit of an understatment. I guess the reason why peope (all around the world) hates him is because hes a spoiled rich kid who wouldnt never have gotten anywhere if it hadnt been for his rich family. His incpmpetance has s****ed off a lot of people.
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All the welfare & healthcare crap has been a problem since before I was friggin born...
Is that a reason to quite? Are you a quitter?
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And every time Democrats hold the throne, we get more useless government spending, and more taxes... That may be the way the EU does it, but that's not what America is about, or what it was even started for... We don't need to be like the EU... If people in the USA want that, they can go move to the damn EU...
How are the dollar doing against the Euro?
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Arianhod on 20/09/2007 17:34:52 I know USA was started because of Taxation to the Empire and no representation at Westminster - but using that as a reason to not move with the times just dosen't work.... Back in the day the lazy bastards were in Britian and the other European Empires ruling their business's, kicking people out to make way for new crops ect, but now it seems the shoe is on the other hand, America should accept change like the rest of the West. The system in the EU works, it isn't perfect (we have quite long queues on CAT scanners and budgeting problems) but if USA has such a gap between rich and poor then just introduce band taxing (IE richer you are the greater proportions you are taxed). We are still evening things out between the main 4 nations and Eastern Europe joining but give it a few decades and it should be sorted out. By that point - would USA have sorted the problems you say it has had since before you were born?
Originally by: Death KillHow are the dollar doing against the Euro?
Euro is going from strength to strength, pound is fluctuating but still remaining stronger than the dollar. Recent blip in the USA econemy is triggering global repercussions and the dollar continues to go down..... Recently its been over $2 to the pound - first time in my memory thats ever happened.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:35:00 -
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Quote: How are the dollar doing against the Euro?
What does that have to do with what type of government I want? I don't want to live in a country where I'm taxed to death, no thanks...
And no, I'm not a quitter, I'm a hard worker who is sick and tired of paying the way for quitters...
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Cornucopian
Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Arianhod Edited by: Arianhod on 20/09/2007 17:34:25 I know USA was started because of Taxation to the Empire and no representation at Westminster - but using that as a reason to not move with the times just dosen't work.... Back in the day the lazy bastards were in Britian and the other European Empires ruling their business's, kicking people out to make way for new crops ect, but now it seems the shoe is on the other hand, America should accept change like the rest of the West. The system in the EU works, it isn't perfect (we have quite long queues on CAT scanners and budgeting problems) but if USA has such a gap between rich and poor then just introduce band taxing (IE richer you are the greater proportions you are taxed). We are still evening things out between the main 4 nations and Eastern Europe joining but give it a few decades and it should be sorted out. By that point - would USA have sorted the problems you say it has had since before you were born?
Originally by: Death KillHow are the dollar doing against the Euro?[/quote
Euro is going from strength to strength, pound is fluctuating but still remaining stronger than the dollar. Recent blip in the USA econemy is triggering global repercussions and the dollar continues to go down..... Recently its been over $2 to the pound - first time in my memory thats ever happened.
America does refer back to its now long outmoded beginnings too much, its the same with the gun legislation: people still refer to the right to bear arms, as if its still 1776.
thats about all I have to add to this thread. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
complete win by Cornucopian!
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Vriomiunx
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
All the welfare & healthcare crap has been a problem since before I was friggin born...
There is the core. Americans are too afraid of adapting to the world, and they are afraid of anything called tax. You're dig your own grave one day, and it will be complete if you don't adapt soon enough.
It's called "survival of the fittest", which, fortunately, digs through all layers of civilisation and hopefully ever will.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/09/2007 17:43:17
Originally by: Vriomiunx
Originally by: DarkMatter
All the welfare & healthcare crap has been a problem since before I was friggin born...
There is the core. Americans are too afraid of adapting to the world, and they are afraid of anything called tax. You're dig your own grave one day, and it will be complete if you don't adapt soon enough.
It's called "survival of the fittest", which, fortunately, digs through all layers of civilisation and hopefully ever will.
No, half this country is afraid to WORK! They are afraid to not have government take care of them... THAT'S THE PROBLEM!
There are simply too many damn crybabies in this world... And they are now infecting the USA like they have the EU...
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Jago Kain
Amarr Ramm's RDI
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter You all hate Bush for one thing, Iraq... That's pretty much all he has done since he got into office.
Not entirely true. I cannot speak for others, but for myself, I hate Bush for numerous reasons, Iraq aside.
I despise fundamentalist religious nuts (of any denomination) who try and turn their nation into a facist theocracy.
I hate rich guys who help to change laws to benefit other rich guys and then try and blame poverty on the poor.
I hate devious swines who are only in power because the elctoral system in their country is as bent as a nine-bob note.
Mostly though, I hate thickies and on that point Bush qualifies with knobs on.
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Originally by: Vriomiunx
Originally by: DarkMatter
All the welfare & healthcare crap has been a problem since before I was friggin born...
There is the core. Americans are too afraid of adapting to the world, and they are afraid of anything called tax. You're dig your own grave one day, and it will be complete if you don't adapt soon enough.
It's called "survival of the fittest", which, fortunately, digs through all layers of civilisation and hopefully ever will.
No, half this country is afraid to WORK! They are afraid to not have government take care of them... THAT'S THE PROBLEM!
Imho the problem sounds to be lack of self reliance.... I would probably say give youth's a mandatory national service in the Military or the Police/Fire service to give a bit of independance (I am informed Americans like this) from the state to the youth. Before you ask I am of age to be in this service should it be introduced to the UK, and I would have no qualms sighning up for 2 years for Brittania.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/09/2007 17:48:43
Quote: I despise fundamentalist religious nuts (of any denomination) who try and turn their nation into a facist theocracy.
He can't pass anything through congress that would ever affect our freedom of religion in this country... If that were the case, Christian prayer would be back in public schools, it's not...
So that's a mute point.
And there won't be any atheists getting elected in America anytime soon...
Quote: Imho the problem sounds to be lack of self reliance.... I would probably say give youth's a mandatory national service in the Military or the Police/Fire service to give a bit of independance (I am informed Americans like this) from the state to the youth. Before you ask I am of age to be in this service should it be introduced to the UK, and I would have no qualms sighning up for 2 years for Brittania.
Sounds great, but the left in this country would scream injustice, police state, blah blah blah if that were to happen... We have too many selfish brats like that kid who got tased a few days ago in this country. Want it so there are no repercussions to your actions whatsoever... Babies!
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Rialtor
Amarr Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:49:00 -
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There's too much government control on monetary policy, government should not dictate monetary policy. It does not make sense for the federal reserve to print money based on arbitrary needs, it hurts the value of our dollar. Since the Federal reserve has been instated we have seen nothing but rampant inflation. The Federal Reserve is a flawed institution based on a flawed notion that Government should try to help the Economy through printing of money and or fake interest rates. If you look at the value of the dollar over the years in relation to gold, there is marginal deviance in the ratio of our dollar to gold. If you chart the progression throughout the years, you'll be astonished at the rate of inflation after 1913, the year the fed. reserve was established. Further more, to impact the problem there is little congressional over site of the Reserve. The Congress are our representatives, so by not fully disclosing information to congress means that they do not want the people to see the reasons for their decisions.
Having the federal reserve spits in the face of our founding fathers. There was a great discussion between Hamilton and Jefferson about a federal bank, and it was decided long ago that it's not in the best interests of the people. There were visionary men, and it goes to show you what happens when you don't heed the words of visionaries.
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Death Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:52:36 Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:51:58 Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:50:53
Originally by: DarkMatter
What does that have to do with what type of government I want? I don't want to live in a country where I'm taxed to death, no thanks...
Your government has given you a huuuuuge budget deficit, you owe money left and right. China owns a lot of your country, so does saudi Arabia. Your president dont care as hes a rich **** who only cares about himself just like his dad.
Saudi Arabia is an exporter of wahabiism, yet your so called war presidents holds hand with those ****s when they visit the US.
Think about that for a minute.
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Dexxel Farcry
Gallente The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:55:00 -
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We don't need more taxes, we need less. And the 2nd amendment isn't designed for personal protection, it's designed to be the ultimate check against tyranny.
If the middle and poor classes didn't have to pay 50% of evereything they make througha variety of taxes then they might just have a shot at taking care of themselves. The problem is too much government intervention. But part of that problem is ignorance. Becuase 90% of the people who advocate for social programs have no clue, none. For example.
In the USA, 65% of all the healthcare in this country is already paid for by the government. Yet 90% of all the prifts derived from that healthcrae goes directly into the pocksts of various corprate CEO's. Thats how ****ed up we are. We have socialist medicince with fascist profiteering. And even if HIllary gets elected, that will not change. Infact it will get worse. The governmnet won't build new hospitals, and they won't hire doctors. They will rebid contracts with corprations already providing the service. Then all of us will be taxed for it even if we are healthy and don't shove our faces full of cheesebugers.
But the most ******** thing is the monetary system. When the boomers retire we'll be 175,000 dollars in debt for every man woman and child in this country. Thats around 50 trillion dollars. Even if I packaged up the entire land mass of the united states and tried to sell it, industry and all in one large real estate transactions, I still couldn't come up with that. We're about to upside down.
Fiat currencies are crap, they have never worked and they never will. You don't pay off debt with more debt. Every single dollar in our economy is loaned out to us by a private bank. And therein lies the real problem. It's the reason our dollar is losing value. Print 50% more money, and your currency loses 50% of it's value. Keysian economics is crap, even Alan Greenspan was a huge critic of it before he was bought by banking interests and became the fed chair.
All universal healthcare and social programs do is make people reliant on a system to survive. It makes them feel entitled. When really, if there was no Federal Reserve, and our currency was actually attached to something instead of blind faith, there wouldn't even be a need for the income tax, or the IRS, there wouldn't be a need for huge government regulation. Peoples savings would never loose thier value. Hell, if there was no fed, and no IRS that would free up nearly 30% of the poor and middle classes income right there. Then they could afford to go back to school, buy more food for their families.
People don't need to be regulated, they need monetary freedom.
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Sereifex Daku
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.09.20 17:56:00 -
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Hmm, Dark matter does have a point. Two party systems are never healthy. I hear there's a new centrist party being created in the states. Hopefully they will employ the benevolent policies of the left while punishing those who take advantage from the right. Under such circumstances it would be highly beneficialy to pump more money into government depaertments.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.20 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:52:36 Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:51:58 Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 17:50:53
Originally by: DarkMatter
What does that have to do with what type of government I want? I don't want to live in a country where I'm taxed to death, no thanks...
Your government has given you a huuuuuge budget deficit, you owe money left and right. China owns a lot of your country, so does saudi Arabia. Your president dont care as hes a rich **** who only cares about himself just like his dad.
Saudi Arabia is an exporter of wahabiism, yet your so called war presidents holds hand with those ****s when they visit the US.
Think about that for a minute.
They don't own a "LOT" of our country...
They bought off debt. And what are they going to do, come and collect it from us some day in terms of land or properties here in the US? Sure, ok... Try it...
Don't worry, Hillary will tax the crap out of us to decrease the deficit...
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2007.09.20 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Arianhod on 20/09/2007 18:17:27
Originally by: DarkMatter They bought off debt. And what are they going to do, come and collect it from us some day in terms of land or properties here in the US? Sure, ok... Try it...
It is possible for them to do that probably. Consider what would happen if the Arabs decided to withdraw their 14% stake in the US econemy and throw it in another nation, India, EU and China spring to mind. I know for fact that several banks are getting rid of their Dollars as fast as they can as the US housing market fluctuates. Northern Rock in the UK is an example of such a movement of money, it had assets tied into the US and it almost collapsed the other day. 
Originally by: Death Kill Ever heard about something called the stock market?
^ What he said. If the US decided to say "no, you dont get your money from us" the rest of the world would write off the US as a trading partner probably. Now where does the oil come from exactly 
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.20 18:16:00 -
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Quote: As to the idea of national service being an infringemtnt to the constitution - coulden't they be informed that either they are free to leave the country or that the government has the right to ask some time of their people to help both themselves and the nation? JFK - "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country".
Americans who actually felt pride decades ago had no problem stepping up. Now we have a bunch of whiners...
The country going downhill has as much to do with it's government as it does with it's inhabitants...
The USA is a country of the selfish & feeble minded right now... It's pathetic!
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