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DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:19:00 - [61] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: DarkMatter And what are they going to do, come and collect it from us some day in terms of land or properties here in the US? Sure, ok... Try it... Ever heard about something called the stock market? Ever heard of globalization? It's all the rage amongst American corporations these days... Those corps will be just fine & dandy when the **** hits the fan, it's the American people who will suffer... My Current Project
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:21:00 - [62] Originally by: DarkMatter Americans who actually felt pride decades ago had no problem stepping up. Now we have a bunch of whiners... Society change. You used to be the nation that put man on the moon, now you are the society occupied by degenerated artists going in and out of rehab and spoiled people driving hummers even though we got a climate issue. you are also known as the country that has the dumbest leader ever. No seriously, even totalitarian states has leaders that are better with words than Dubjua. Call to arms!!!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:22:00 - [63] Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 18:24:20 Originally by: DarkMatter Ever heard of globalization? you mean the stuff that outsources jobs from the US to India and China? Guess what buddy, you are on the loosing end there. India and China will eat your midle class alive, and all you will be left with is the richest 10% and a huge lower class doing crime, drugs while dying from aids. What category do you belong to? Keep in mind the richest 10% is the people with as much money as Paris Hilton or Michael Jordan. Call to arms!!!
Arianhod	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:24:00 - [64] Originally by: DarkMatter Ever heard of globalization? It's all the rage amongst American corporations these days... Those corps will be just fine & dandy when the **** hits the fan, it's the American people who will suffer... Perhaps.... it is time then for change. It seems to me that American politics is done by the 2 parties with no competition, and that many people hate this system of the elite. I beleive that situation is essentialy a reworked version of the old monarchial system, instead of peasents their are now labourers for their Lord CEO. Perhaps time for an injection of reality to the fat arses of the ruling class of America, get some politicians without any connections to any industries and loyalty only to the people. A British minister was almost sacked for having shares worth ú30k, I hear that G.W.B is fairly integrated into the Texan oil industry for instance, try and make a change yourself perhaps by standing in politics, they could use more people like yourself from this foreighn perspective I have.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:25:00 - [65] Quote: Society change. You used to be the nation that put man on the moon, now you are the society occupied by degenerated artists going in and out of rehab and spoiled people driving hummers even though we got a climate issue. And why do you think that is? Entitlement issues, that what... Americans are so dammed spoiled, they don't know what hard work is anymore... All they want to do if **** off all day long... And Bush being a bad public speaker has nothing to do with it, you just throw that in there because you hate him, whatever... People no longer ask what they can do for their country, all they ask is wtf has my country done for ME lately? My Current Project
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:25:00 - [66] Who cares. Maybe some of the rich will stop moving to Canada in order to gain relative wealth, opening up immigration to those of us who want to move to Canada to get out of the fascist state that the USA is quickly becoming. And before you argue that the US isn't becoming a fascist state: defend this.
Dexxel Farcry Gallente The Valour United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:26:00 - [67] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: DarkMatter Americans who actually felt pride decades ago had no problem stepping up. Now we have a bunch of whiners... Society change. You used to be the nation that put man on the moon, now you are the society occupied by degenerated artists going in and out of rehab and spoiled people driving hummers even though we got a climate issue. you are also known as the country that has the dumbest leader ever. No seriously, even totalitarian states has leaders that are better with words than Dubjua. As a conservative citizen of the United States, whos' family was involved with the space program and 2 world wars, I can say, without any doubt at all, that this staement is one of the most true, least forgiving things I have seen in a long time. I am glad to see that I ma not the only one who thinks this way, and extraordinarily sad, to see my Republic fall apart slowly becuase of it.
Dexxel Farcry Gallente The Valour United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:28:00 - [68] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: Society change. You used to be the nation that put man on the moon, now you are the society occupied by degenerated artists going in and out of rehab and spoiled people driving hummers even though we got a climate issue. And why do you think that is? Entitlement issues, that what... Americans are so dammed spoiled, they don't know what hard work is anymore... All they want to do if **** off all day long... And Bush being a bad public speaker has nothing to do with it, you just throw that in there because you hate him, whatever... People no longer ask what they can do for their country, all they ask is wtf has my country done for ME lately? And the same goes for this. Bush is a talking head, nothing more, he can't do anything without congressional approval. The entire government, republican and democrat has failed us all.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:29:00 - [69] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: DarkMatter Ever heard of globalization? It's all the rage amongst American corporations these days... Those corps will be just fine & dandy when the **** hits the fan, it's the American people who will suffer... Perhaps.... it is time then for change. It seems to me that American politics is done by the 2 parties with no competition, and that many people hate this system of the elite. I beleive that situation is essentialy a reworked version of the old monarchial system, instead of peasents their are now labourers for their Lord CEO. Perhaps time for an injection of reality to the fat arses of the ruling class of America, get some politicians without any connections to any industries and loyalty only to the people. A British minister was almost sacked for having shares worth ú30k, I hear that G.W.B is fairly integrated into the Texan oil industry for instance, try and make a change yourself perhaps by standing in politics, they could use more people like yourself from this foreighn perspective I have. It's not going to happen... We would have to revolt and start killing politicians... I'm all for that tbfh... The only other option would be for everyone in the entire country to stop paying taxes, which means all the corporations would have to start paying their employees under the table (impossible in todays day and age).. If everyone did this at once, we would get their attention... I honestly think we need to start assassinating politicians... My Current Project
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:29:00 - [70] Originally by: DarkMatter Americans are so dammed spoiled, they don't know what hard work is anymore... All they want to do if ** off all day long... Because their leaders keeps telling them that the US is the greatest country on earth,m so does Hollywood. The American public is victims of the biggest brainwashing scandal in the western world. Quote: And Bush being a bad public speaker has nothing to do with it, you just throw that in there because you hate him, whatever... I dont hate him, and it has everything to do with it. I dont hate him, but I think hes a spoiled kid in a grown mans body. He has never tasted desperate, he has never tastde what it means to be an average citizen that had to work for a living. I dislike him, I dislike him for saying stupid sheit. Things even a 16 year old would say better. Quote:** People no longer ask what they can do for their country, all they ask is wtf has my country done for ME lately? What does the USA do for its citizens? Call to arms!!!
Arianhod	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:33:00 - [71] Edited by: Arianhod on 20/09/2007 18:34:17 Originally by: DarkMatter . May I just say that should states start succeding (or whatever it's called to leave the US federation) EU would probably welcome those states in after only a breif evaluation. I cannot see the Union turning down an honest application from New York for instance. Will probably not happen, but the knowlege that this option exists would prbably open a few peoples eyes to the situation. I know I certainly got engrossed in British politics when Scotland started trying to leave the UK I am from Edinburgh and British - not Scottish!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:33:00 - [72] Originally by: Amarria Black Who cares. Maybe some of the rich will stop moving to Canada in order to gain relative wealth, opening up immigration to those of us who want to move to Canada to get out of the fascist state that the USA is quickly becoming. And before you argue that the US isn't becoming a fascist state: defend this. You actually want these terrorists defended by US lawyers? Sorry, no... If OJ can get off, the last thing we need to do is put these terrorists through our mockery of a justice system... I'm all for that vote 100% My Current Project
Dexxel Farcry Gallente The Valour United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:34:00 - [73] Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 20/09/2007 18:29:47 Originally by: DarkMatter Americans are so dammed spoiled, they don't know what hard work is anymore... All they want to do if ** off all day long... Because their leaders keeps telling them that the US is the greatest country on earth, so does Hollywood. The American public is victims of the biggest brainwashing scandal in the western world. Quote: And Bush being a bad public speaker has nothing to do with it, you just throw that in there because you hate him, whatever... I dont hate him, and it has everything to do with it. I dont hate him, but I think hes a spoiled kid in a grown mans body. He has never tasted desperate, he has never tastde what it means to be an average citizen that had to work for a living. I dislike him, I dislike him for saying stupid sheit. Things even a 16 year old would say better. Quote:** People no longer ask what they can do for their country, all they ask is wtf has my country done for ME lately? What does the USA do for its citizens? The USA is supposed to back off, stay out of our lives, and give us the freedom to prosper or fail. That is what a free society does. Freedom to succeed is also the fredom to make mistakes.
Sereifex Daku Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:35:00 - [74] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: DarkMatter . May I just say that should states start succeding (or whatever it's called to leave the US federation) EU would probably welcome those states in after only a breif evaluation. I cannot see the Union turning down an honest application from New York for instance. Will probably not happen, but the knowlege that this option exists would prbably open a few peoples eyes to the situation. Last time that happened the American civil war erupted. The Union didn't want to lose those states and so chose war to get them back.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:36:00 - [75] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Amarria Black Who cares. Maybe some of the rich will stop moving to Canada in order to gain relative wealth, opening up immigration to those of us who want to move to Canada to get out of the fascist state that the USA is quickly becoming. And before you argue that the US isn't becoming a fascist state: defend this. You actually want these terrorists defended by US lawyers? Sorry, no... If OJ can get off, the last thing we need to do is put these terrorists through our mockery of a justice system... I'm all for that vote 100% Then, simply put, you are a terrorist. You don't believe that all human beings have the basic right of defending themselves against their accuser. Better that 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man be jailed.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:38:00 - [76] Quote: What does the USA do for its citizens? I have a pretty damn good life. More so than many people on this planet. That's what my country provides to me. An opportunity to become whatever the hell I want. I'm one of the few who seems to realize what you get out of life fully depends on what you put into it... However, many Americans think that what you get out of life depends solely on what the government GIVES to you... That's BS. My Current Project
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:38:00 - [77] Government entitlement programs are a horrible idea. Name one Entitlement Program that's good, and I'll tell you 10 reasons it's not. It promotes reliance on the government which leads to a dependant, lazy populous. What kind of person would you be today if mommy and daddy spoon fed you for the rest of your life. You're sick? aww don't worry about it I'll help you. You're retiring? aww I'll give you other people's money. You'd be Paris Hilton. Man does best when he is forced to compete, not to be fed from a government teat. Why do you think we have such a huge immigration problem in the US? Not only are there many job opportunities, but they get to benefit from our entitlement programs. If the government wants to insure we have retirement options then have us save our own money, do not give us other people's money (maybe don't take it away in the 1st place). Social Security is an ancient system that was meant to aid people in the Great Depression. We need to phase this out immediately, we're digging such a large hole for ourselves. Instead of the populous getting off it's butt it relies on this government to spoon feed us. The federal government was created for one major purpose to defend us abroad. The government has taken on so many duties that it cannot fulfill it's primary goal. The Federal Government was never meant to tax our whole income, it's such an un-american idea. The IRS is the biggest fraud in American history, along with the formation of the Federal Reserve. Forget the war on terror, what happened to the War on Taxes? Do you realize your income taxes are used to pay back interest from the government borrowing money from the federal reserve (doesn't need to exist in the 1st place)? If we went back to a standard, the Federal Reserve could be abolished tomorrow (hyperbole), and the income tax amendment could be repealed. Also why does the federal government even take on ideas of social change? It's ********, government shouldn't dictate society change. The Government already has a great set of guidelines to abide by "All men are created equal..." Why does the word abortion come up on a national level? That's obviously a state concern. Death Penalty is a state decision, Marriage laws are a state decision. Why am I hearing this stuff out of presidential candidates mouth, you should not force blanket laws across the nation as it offends people, and perpetuates the issue as opposed with society itself being forced to handle it. Take Racism for example, was it the government that changed the bigotry in society or was it people like Martin Luther King? Societal issues must be dealth with within the society. Well that will conclude my rant for now :).
Arianhod	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:40:00 - [78] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: DarkMatter . May I just say that should states start succeding (or whatever it's called to leave the US federation) EU would probably welcome those states in after only a breif evaluation. I cannot see the Union turning down an honest application from New York for instance. Will probably not happen, but the knowlege that this option exists would prbably open a few peoples eyes to the situation. Last time that happened the American civil war erupted. The Union didn't want to lose those states and so chose war to get them back. In this day and age that wouldn't happen. In Northern Ireland it was terrorism on a huge scale.... But after sitting down and talking there is actual progress. I would say that the repercussions of the US degrading into a civil war would destroy it as it is now dependant on a global econemy that would pull out should such a thing happen. If New York became the 28th state of the EU I can't see many complaints this side of the pond.
Dexxel Farcry Gallente The Valour United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:42:00 - [79] We shouldn't have gitmo. We shouldn't even be in the middle east. We should have stuck to our guiding principles, that said. "Trade with all nations, alliances with none". Military interventionism is the worst thing that ever happened to us. We fight preventative wars now. That very concept was invented by people like Adolf ******. It's ludacris. We have been meddeling in middle eastern politics for the past 50 years. Enough is enough. we need to come home, we need to pull the military out of europe out of the middle east, and protect our own border. We spend over a trillion dollars a year maintaining the empire of ours, and it will, wether you like it or not, come crashing down on us. And the US will be the one begging for foriagn aid. People need to wake up and realize this. Or soon we will wake up with an over streched military, and a depression.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:44:00 - [80] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: What does the USA do for its citizens? I have a pretty damn good life. More so than many people on this planet. That's what my country provides to me. An opportunity to become whatever the hell I want. I'm one of the few who seems to realize what you get out of life fully depends on what you put into it... However, many Americans think that what you get out of life depends solely on what the government GIVES to you... That's BS. May I ask what kind of background you come from? I'm not meaning to inject myself into the argument, but so often the "opportunities" in this country are touted by the upper middle class, who have much wider opportunities than the majority of those in poverty or born into poverty here in the US.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:45:00 - [81] Originally by: Dexxel Farcry We shouldn't have gitmo. We shouldn't even be in the middle east. We should have stuck to our guiding principles, that said. "Trade with all nations, alliances with none". Military interventionism is the worst thing that ever happened to us. We fight preventative wars now. That very concept was invented by people like Adolf ******. It's ludacris. We have been meddeling in middle eastern politics for the past 50 years. Enough is enough. we need to come home, we need to pull the military out of europe out of the middle east, and protect our own border. We spend over a trillion dollars a year maintaining the empire of ours, and it will, wether you like it or not, come crashing down on us. And the US will be the one begging for foriagn aid. People need to wake up and realize this. Or soon we will wake up with an over streched military, and a depression. You don't know how much I wish we could pull our troops out from everywhere in the world they are based, that would be awesome. Concentrate only on our defence. That's a pipe dream unfortunately, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. USA has too many interests around the world that keep what's left of our economy alive. Big corp lobbyists would never allow that to happen... My Current Project
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:47:00 - [82] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: What does the USA do for its citizens? I have a pretty damn good life. More so than many people on this planet. That's what my country provides to me. An opportunity to become whatever the hell I want. I'm one of the few who seems to realize what you get out of life fully depends on what you put into it... However, many Americans think that what you get out of life depends solely on what the government GIVES to you... That's BS. The US are it's citizens. We are the United States, while it is not a direct democracy it is a republic. We elect representatives to perform our will. When asking what the US does for it's citizens, you're just asking what are we doing for ourselves. While this should be the case, currently it's not :(. I have to have Social Security that I don't want. I have to pay for people's food stamps which while I don't mind doing, I'd rather just give directly to my local food shelter, etc. If a democrat gets elected I'll get health care that I don't want either. I pay for elderly people's medicine at an increased cost due to incompetent legislature. In fact I'd say the only think I want from government is for them to make sure I don't see a mushroom cloud over the horizon someday. Hell, I live in NY, and DC, so I hope I'm not Ground Zero. All these social programs are doing is destroying Charital organizations. Who built all the great universities? Government? no Charity. Years ago how did hospitals function? how did they expand? Charity. The American people are re-knowned for their charitable donations in the past. After these programs it has all but destroyed that endeavor. The principles on which this nation was founded upon are slowly being dismantled.
Arianhod	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:48:00 - [83] Originally by: Dexxel Farcry We shouldn't have gitmo. We shouldn't even be in the middle east. We should have stuck to our guiding principles, that said. "Trade with all nations, alliances with none". Military interventionism is the worst thing that ever happened to us. We fight preventative wars now. That very concept was invented by people like Adolf ******. It's ludacris. We have been meddeling in middle eastern politics for the past 50 years. Enough is enough. we need to come home, we need to pull the military out of europe out of the middle east, and protect our own border. We spend over a trillion dollars a year maintaining the empire of ours, and it will, wether you like it or not, come crashing down on us. And the US will be the one begging for foriagn aid. People need to wake up and realize this. Or soon we will wake up with an over streched military, and a depression. He speaks the truth. Parralels can be drawn with the collapse of the Roman Empire on overstretched resources, and while the Cold War was a real reason for the US to deploy abroad that I can see and respect, she should withdraw to her own territory and defend herself. If the US wants to operate in the middle east - just declare Israel a state and be done with it, most of the middle east woulden't be motivated to attack the US if it would stop acting like their leaders say it will.....
Dexxel Farcry Gallente The Valour United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:51:00 - [84] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Dexxel Farcry We shouldn't have gitmo. We shouldn't even be in the middle east. We should have stuck to our guiding principles, that said. "Trade with all nations, alliances with none". Military interventionism is the worst thing that ever happened to us. We fight preventative wars now. That very concept was invented by people like Adolf ******. It's ludacris. We have been meddeling in middle eastern politics for the past 50 years. Enough is enough. we need to come home, we need to pull the military out of europe out of the middle east, and protect our own border. We spend over a trillion dollars a year maintaining the empire of ours, and it will, wether you like it or not, come crashing down on us. And the US will be the one begging for foriagn aid. People need to wake up and realize this. Or soon we will wake up with an over streched military, and a depression. You don't know how much I wish we could pull our troops out from everywhere in the world they are based, that would be awesome. Concentrate only on our defence. That's a pipe dream unfortunately, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. USA has too many interests around the world that keep what's left of our economy alive. Big corp lobbyists would never allow that to happen... Which is why I'm voting for Ron Paul, wether or not he gets the party nod, I don't care. I'll write him in If I have too. I'm not going to waste one more vote on a corporate shill. And 2 years later, I'll only going to vote for canidates for congress that follow a strict constitutional doctrine. I've had it with the republicrats. They're all the same. And if the american people ever came out of the daze they are in, and we loaded congress with contitutionalists and libertarians, we could withdrawl, we could get rid of the fed, and we could focus our energies on improving our selves and our way of life. I just hope that people understand that, and wake up in time. Otherwise we'll be in the middle east forever, and the middle class will be destroyed. It's already fading away now.
Arianhod	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:52:00 - [85] Originally by: DarkMatter You don't know how much I wish we could pull our troops out from everywhere in the world they are based, that would be awesome. Concentrate only on our defence. That's a pipe dream unfortunately, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. USA has too many interests around the world that keep what's left of our economy alive. Big corp lobbyists would never allow that to happen... Well.... if I remember right the French Republic ordered the US to withdraw from their territory after the Cold war. I think the same is happening in Okinawa but surely the US will withdraw from it's allies countries should they request it....
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:52:00 - [86] Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/09/2007 18:54:14 Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: What does the USA do for its citizens? I have a pretty damn good life. More so than many people on this planet. That's what my country provides to me. An opportunity to become whatever the hell I want. I'm one of the few who seems to realize what you get out of life fully depends on what you put into it... However, many Americans think that what you get out of life depends solely on what the government GIVES to you... That's BS. May I ask what kind of background you come from? I'm not meaning to inject myself into the argument, but so often the "opportunities" in this country are touted by the upper middle class, who have much wider opportunities than the majority of those in poverty or born into poverty here in the US. I grew up in a lower middle class family of 11 people. My Dad was a truck driver. mother was a homemaker. I studied hard in high school to get a 92% average in the hopes that I could get a scholarship to pay for college. Because I was a white male student with a house over my head, ho help for me. I worked 24-32 hours a week at a transmission shop/oil change garage while going to the University at Buffalo for Mechanical Engineering as a fulltime student. I now make ~90k a year. My parents never made more than 40k a year combined. Neither went to college. All the members of my family are way more successful than my parents were, due to how we were raised, taught the value of hard work, etc... Not a rags to riches story, but a bare minimum effort story. If all Americans can't imporve on what their parents started them out with, they are not trying hard enough IMO... My Current Project
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.09.20 19:08:00 - [87] we here in the US need to basicly reboot our country. our leader is a jackass, our rich are obsessed with massive SUVs that will never go offroad or haul more then some kids to soccer practice, health care is out of reach of many of our population. though with our little adventure in the middle east i feel sorry for whoever wins in 2008, they are getting a big ole turd platter dropped in front of them.
Dexxel Farcry Gallente The Valour United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.09.20 19:12:00 - [88] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker we here in the US need to basicly reboot our country. our leader is a jackass, our rich are obsessed with massive SUVs that will never go offroad or haul more then some kids to soccer practice, health care is out of reach of many of our population. though with our little adventure in the middle east i feel sorry for whoever wins in 2008, they are getting a big ole turd platter dropped in front of them. Yep. I agree. I wish we could just tear it all down and start over. Get rid of all these government subsidies. Give the power back to the states and local governments. The federal government has become too large, to intrusive, and way out of control. And all of it is our fault, we let all this crap happen.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.20 19:18:00 - [89] Quote: And all of it is our fault, we let all this crap happen That's because politics is not sexy enough for the general public. So they pay no f'ing attention on what they are voting for... My Current Project
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.20 19:19:00 - [90] Originally by: DarkMatter I grew up in a lower middle class family of 11 people. My Dad was a truck driver, mother was a homemaker. I studied hard in high school to get a 92% average in the hopes that I could get a scholarship to pay for college. Because I was a white male student with a house over my head, no financial help for me. I worked 24-32 hours a week at a transmission shop/oil change garage while going to the University at Buffalo for Mechanical Engineering as a fulltime student. I now make ~90k a year. My parents never made more than 40k a year combined. Neither went to college. All the members of my family are way more successful than my parents were, due to how we were raised, taught the value of hard work, etc... Not a rags to riches story, but a bare minimum effort story. If all Americans can't imporve on what their parents started them out with, they are not trying hard enough IMO... A very nice success story then. I just wanted to point out that though the concept of entitlement is a big problem in this country nowadays, not everyone has the same opportunities. The chances of anyone being able to educate themselves and escape from places like East Saint Louis are pretty slim (you can look up some statistics regarding the city, but to summarize, it's not a good place to be).

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