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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.18 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Psychopath on 18/02/2004 12:00:07
If you guys take your ships into TQ and not do everything by chaos setups you will see how strong a raven is 1v1. An apoc to go 1v1 would need a warp scramble and probably a sensor booster which leaves it 2 MED slots. This is enough for a shield booster and a hardener. This setup would be useless against a raven with a tanked shield.
If you use your chaos apoc setups 1v1 on TQ what is the bs going to do? WARP AWAY
So stop living in fantasy and accept that a raven is a very good pvp ship and is fine as it is.
Raven certainly can hold it's own in short to midrange 1v1 engagements, but this is about fleet combat, where missiles fall quite short in effectiveness compared to other weapons.
The Raven, is really an OK ship, it's missiles that are the issue.
That hybrid range bonus needs to be changed to a shield bonus though IMO. Raven really has no use for that bonus at all.
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.18 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Psychopath on 18/02/2004 12:00:07
If you guys take your ships into TQ and not do everything by chaos setups you will see how strong a raven is 1v1. An apoc to go 1v1 would need a warp scramble and probably a sensor booster which leaves it 2 MED slots. This is enough for a shield booster and a hardener. This setup would be useless against a raven with a tanked shield.
If you use your chaos apoc setups 1v1 on TQ what is the bs going to do? WARP AWAY
So stop living in fantasy and accept that a raven is a very good pvp ship and is fine as it is.
couldnt agree more
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.02.18 13:44:00 -
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Raven is quite effective in medium range 1v1 encounters. Unlike similiarly effective ships, such as the Tempest (and one could argue also both other tier 2 battleships), it is not similiarly useful in almost any other role.
1) Not effective in long range/semi long range 1v1 situations, which caldari were apparently meant for.
2) Not effective in fleet combat, the DOT is just too low and the missles simply take each other out, further reducing an already pitifully low DOT.
3) Completely useless in Empire based wars. Well that is actually an exaggeration, it is very useful for allowing your opponent to take out a Battleship without having to fire a shot (hello Concord).
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Psychopath
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Posted - 2004.02.18 14:08:00 -
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I disagree that they are useless in fleet battles. A raven with a bunch of mainly turret bs would be fearsome and provides good firepower and strength on the battlefield. Ravens can also be used with FoF to take out jamming bb and scorps.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.02.18 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 18/02/2004 16:11:20
What is better about a Raven in fleet battles than a Tempest? Its missles take 45-60 seconds to hit (in which time they can be shot down, smartbombed, collide with themselves or other missles, or get shot down by defenders), and do not do that much damage.
A tempest can do more damage immediately, more damage over time and has similiar staying power. The ability to use FoF missles, especially at range, is a joke. These missles take even longer to hit their target, if they ever do, and in fleet battles unless everyone is jammed there are always several ships available to quickly destroy those pesky scorps and BBs.
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