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Dapanman1
Amarr
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
The InterBus Initiative
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Posted - 2008.08.03 22:04:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: Hari Sel'don
Originally by: Unyeilding Faith
why do forums attract people who need to be thrown out an air-lock?
NO U
fyp
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CCP Oneiromancer
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Posted - 2008.08.04 07:43:00 -
[92]
To answer the questions so far:
1. The remaining Operations people are already busy with the day-to-day maintenance work for Tranquility and their other duties.
2. Copying the skill data is not enough to make a new mirror, a full database backup is needed for this.
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RFD commander
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Posted - 2008.08.04 08:04:00 -
[93]
i start eve and it says it is an incompatable build so i look for a new pach and my current version is 59494 but there is no pach for this can u plz help me?
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RFD commander
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Posted - 2008.08.04 08:05:00 -
[94]
this is on ssi client
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Azilia Nefetti
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Posted - 2008.08.04 11:08:00 -
[95]
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately.
One person to do this?
erm, would suck if he got ran over by a bus.
ccp would be runnin around the office
and all the servers would blow up.
Sort it out.
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Innoculii
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:22:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Hari Sel'don
Originally by: Bronson Hughes
Originally by: Hari Sel'don
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately.
Copying and pasting must be so difficult for someone untrained. Ask the janitor to push the five necessary keys instead 
Yes, but the Janitor doesn't know the passwords necessary to log onto the database servers....
Give him the passwords then lol
It's kind of sad, really...
The Devs don't update SiSi for the sake of you sorry lot, they update it for the sole purpose of testing the stability and functionality of the newest patch in progress.
As for the mirrors - this is a part of the testing process.
Mind you, the option to go on SiSi is completely optional, and the fact is, that not alot of people have the privilege to actually test new patches.
My point being, don't flame the devs for not being there to service you every second, they've got a job to do, and you're only a hindrance to them when you flame them.
Don't take SiSi for granted buddy, you're lucky CCP hasn't shut off access to the public entirely.
Pardon, if i hurt your feelings by the way, that was not the intention.
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Lionel Redstar
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:02:00 -
[97]
^^^ that.
PPL, stop whine because the mirror is delayed 1 week. FFS, it's not like the sky will fall.
If you don't have anything constructive to post than DON'T. This was supose to be a developement thread, see the CAOD area for whine.
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Hari Sel'don
Gallente
Isonami Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:42:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Innoculii
Originally by: Hari Sel'don
Originally by: Bronson Hughes
Originally by: Hari Sel'don
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately.
Copying and pasting must be so difficult for someone untrained. Ask the janitor to push the five necessary keys instead
Yes, but the Janitor doesn't know the passwords necessary to log onto the database servers....
Give him the passwords then lol
It's kind of sad, really...
The Devs don't update SiSi for the sake of you sorry lot, they update it for the sole purpose of testing the stability and functionality of the newest patch in progress.
As for the mirrors - this is a part of the testing process.
Mind you, the option to go on SiSi is completely optional, and the fact is, that not alot of people have the privilege to actually test new patches.
My point being, don't flame the devs for not being there to service you every second, they've got a job to do, and you're only a hindrance to them when you flame them.
Don't take SiSi for granted buddy, you're lucky CCP hasn't shut off access to the public entirely.
Pardon, if i hurt your feelings by the way, that was not the intention.
Its kind of sad that you would bother to write that all out. Plus it would be nice if you learnt how to use a comma :)
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Innoculii
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:06:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Hari Sel'don
Originally by: Innoculii
Originally by: Hari Sel'don
Originally by: Bronson Hughes
Originally by: Hari Sel'don
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
I have some more news about the mirror: the person in Operations who is in charge of moving the database copy over to the Singularity network is on vacation and won't be back until next Monday. So the mirror will not be this week, unfortunately.
Copying and pasting must be so difficult for someone untrained. Ask the janitor to push the five necessary keys instead
Yes, but the Janitor doesn't know the passwords necessary to log onto the database servers....
Give him the passwords then lol
It's kind of sad, really...
The Devs don't update SiSi for the sake of you sorry lot, they update it for the sole purpose of testing the stability and functionality of the newest patch in progress.
As for the mirrors - this is a part of the testing process.
Mind you, the option to go on SiSi is completely optional, and the fact is, that not alot of people have the privilege to actually test new patches.
My point being, don't flame the devs for not being there to service you every second, they've got a job to do, and you're only a hindrance to them when you flame them.
Don't take SiSi for granted buddy, you're lucky CCP hasn't shut off access to the public entirely.
Pardon, if i hurt your feelings by the way, that was not the intention.
Its kind of sad that you would bother to write that all out. Plus it would be nice if you learnt how to use a comma :)
I'm danish, any imperfections is to be expected, good sir.
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RFD commander
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:45:00 -
[100]
so next week there will be a mirror?
 
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Hari Sel'don
Gallente
Isonami Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.04 19:01:00 -
[101]
Originally by: RFD commander
so next week there will be a mirror?
Hopefully within a few days :)
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Luma Rahl
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.08.04 20:19:00 -
[102]
How about this for a good reason to mirror the server... I want to help test these great new upcoming changes, and it be most efficient to do so with my latest skillset
Seriously, tho - is it THAT hard to mirror the server? And what's with the conflicting info from the devs? One guy is responsible but he's on vacation, or "everyone" else is busy and preoccupied... which is it?
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Nuri Aderynn
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.08.05 02:01:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Nuri Aderynn on 05/08/2008 02:01:44
(edit - flame reconsidered)
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Murk Loar
Caldari
The Ex-Patriots
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Posted - 2008.08.05 03:39:00 -
[104]
On a sidenote...anyone getting the 5 second startup loop right now?Mirror in action perhaps? |
Hari Sel'don
Gallente
Isonami Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.05 11:52:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Murk Loar
On a sidenote...anyone getting the 5 second startup loop right now?Mirror in action perhaps?
Another patch and still the same mirror 
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Innoculii
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Posted - 2008.08.05 13:38:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Luma Rahl
How about this for a good reason to mirror the server... I want to help test these great new upcoming changes, and it be most efficient to do so with my latest skillset
Seriously, tho - is it THAT hard to mirror the server? And what's with the conflicting info from the devs? One guy is responsible but he's on vacation, or "everyone" else is busy and preoccupied... which is it?
It's both, the guy in charge of mirrors is on vacation, and everyone else is busy with other things.
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verde bandit
Amarr
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2008.08.05 15:09:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Innoculii
Originally by: Luma Rahl
How about this for a good reason to mirror the server... I want to help test these great new upcoming changes, and it be most efficient to do so with my latest skillset
Seriously, tho - is it THAT hard to mirror the server? And what's with the conflicting info from the devs? One guy is responsible but he's on vacation, or "everyone" else is busy and preoccupied... which is it?
It's both, the guy in charge of mirrors is on vacation, and everyone else is busy with other things.
Afaik the guy in charge came back today.
With some luck we might have it by tomorrow or thursday.
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Hari Sel'don
Gallente
Isonami Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.05 15:25:00 -
[108]
Originally by: verde bandit
Originally by: Innoculii
Originally by: Luma Rahl
How about this for a good reason to mirror the server... I want to help test these great new upcoming changes, and it be most efficient to do so with my latest skillset
Seriously, tho - is it THAT hard to mirror the server? And what's with the conflicting info from the devs? One guy is responsible but he's on vacation, or "everyone" else is busy and preoccupied... which is it?
It's both, the guy in charge of mirrors is on vacation, and everyone else is busy with other things.
Afaik the guy in charge came back today.
With some luck we might have it by tomorrow or thursday.
Actually the guy was meant to be back on Monday, so really we should have a new mirror by now according to the mirror time estimates given by CCP.
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Innoculii
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:02:00 -
[109]
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
We will try to put a new mirror on Singularity this week.
To answer the question above, yes, it would be possible to make an incremental periodical update between the two databases, however it is not feasible for us.
I'm going to explain a bit how the mirroring process works and why we have to prune the database we deploy on the public test servers before.
A full backup of the Tranquility database is made periodically and stored on a server. That database is then copied onto Singularity or Multiplicity - the process takes around 7 hours.
The copied database is then pruned in order to remove starbases and the moon minerals scrambled. This is done to prevent scouting on the test server of starbase locations and moon resources.
The database is further edited with the following:
* ETC accounts are edited so that they do not expire when the ETC payment runs out.
* All accounts are voice enabled.
* Agent memory is removed (standings and loyalty points).
* S&I jobs are removed (this is done in order to prevent starbase S&I jobs from being stuck.
* The market is seeded so that all market items cost 100 ISK and are in plentiful supply. At least one station per constellation is market seeded like this.
* Other adjustments for our internal use.
This process takes around 4 hours, then the database is deployed on the Singularity server. Depending on possible complications with the database copying, editing or with the server starting up after the database is deployed, the whole process can take up to 2 days.
I hope this answers your questions.
Oh, really?
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verde bandit
Amarr
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:53:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Hari Sel'don
Originally by: verde bandit
Afaik the guy in charge came back today.
With some luck we might have it by tomorrow or thursday.
Actually the guy was meant to be back on Monday, so really we should have a new mirror by now according to the mirror time estimates given by CCP.
1¦) There's nowhere I can find they've promised it'll appear this week.
2¦) Monday was a work-free day in Iceland.
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Luma Rahl
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.08.05 21:20:00 -
[111]
Originally by: verde bandit
1¦) There's nowhere I can find they've promised it'll appear this week.
2¦) Monday was a work-free day in Iceland.
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
We will try to put a new mirror on Singularity this week.
Promised, no. Said they would "try to", yes. Semantics to a certain degree, obviously.
I'll continue to wait and hope for the best :)
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Hari Sel'don
Gallente
Isonami Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:28:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Innoculii
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
We will try to put a new mirror on Singularity this week.
To answer the question above, yes, it would be possible to make an incremental periodical update between the two databases, however it is not feasible for us.
I'm going to explain a bit how the mirroring process works and why we have to prune the database we deploy on the public test servers before.
A full backup of the Tranquility database is made periodically and stored on a server. That database is then copied onto Singularity or Multiplicity - the process takes around 7 hours.
The copied database is then pruned in order to remove starbases and the moon minerals scrambled. This is done to prevent scouting on the test server of starbase locations and moon resources.
The database is further edited with the following:
* ETC accounts are edited so that they do not expire when the ETC payment runs out.
* All accounts are voice enabled.
* Agent memory is removed (standings and loyalty points).
* S&I jobs are removed (this is done in order to prevent starbase S&I jobs from being stuck.
* The market is seeded so that all market items cost 100 ISK and are in plentiful supply. At least one station per constellation is market seeded like this.
* Other adjustments for our internal use.
This process takes around 4 hours, then the database is deployed on the Singularity server. Depending on possible complications with the database copying, editing or with the server starting up after the database is deployed, the whole process can take up to 2 days.
I hope this answers your questions.
Oh, really?
Yes, really. As CCP said "the whole process can take up to 2 days", it has been two days, however since I dont reside in Iceland I was not aware that Monday was not a working day.
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Innoculii
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Posted - 2008.08.06 09:32:00 -
[113]
Mind you, Hari, i've never known anyone who as soon as they got home from vacation started working.
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Arkale Dark
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:27:00 -
[114]
The test server is primarily for the devs and ccp to test the new patchs and the new systems that they will put into places in TQ , it is not primarily for people to go on for "Quick PVP" and if you want to test setups use "EFT" if your not happy that you dont have your current skills on the test server.
So stop whining and be patient.
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verde bandit
Amarr
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:16:00 -
[115]
Edited by: verde bandit on 06/08/2008 12:20:31
Could some people stop fracking moralizing others ?
We all know the purposes of doing a mirror or not.
Maybe you could open your eyes and try to see farther than your nose and understand that if people ask for a new mirror, there are some reasons for it.
@Innoculii : I don't think he drove home on Tuesday morning and instantly landed on his chair at CCP... People who leave on vacations usually come back home 2-3 days before the vacations end to take their working pace of life back.
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Myra2007
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:35:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Arkale Dark
The test server is primarily for the devs and ccp to test the new patchs and the new systems that they will put into places in TQ , it is not primarily for people to go on for "Quick PVP" and if you want to test setups use "EFT" if your not happy that you dont have your current skills on the test server.
So stop whining and be patient.
Yeah seriously. Get a grip people. Its not like you've been asked to test the changes on sisi to give feedback because of all the unforeseen consequences. Just let the devs play their sisi game and don't bother testing. This man knows it all. 
Originally by: CCP Nozh
Thus, we urge you to log onto Singularity [...] to give them a spin and spare us no feedback or thoughts on these issues.
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verde bandit
Amarr
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:52:00 -
[117]
Edited by: verde bandit on 06/08/2008 12:54:51
I recently traded my character on TQ.
As a matter of fact I don't have my new TQ char on Sisi I still have my old one.
So I can't test fittings I could use on TQ, as the new char is Amarr and the old one Gallente. And I'd rather test out fittings where there's no risk of losing too much ISK than trying on TQ and lose it all.
No, it has nothing to do with bug reporting or such ( which is still to be proven as I might find a bug doing so ).
Yes, it's still one of Sisi's purposes to allow players to find and try out setups corresponding to that player's gameplay. ( That'ts what FFA and BF are for )
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Vaelastra
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:51:00 -
[118]
then plz dont promise that a mirror will be done in the last week ...
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verde bandit
Amarr
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:08:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Vaelastra
then plz dont promise that a mirror will be done in the last week ...
Where did he promised anything ?
He only said "they'll TRY" to get one last week.
And that's actually partially right, as afaik the database copy is done already.
The only need now is that Deployment Dept (iirc) edits the copy as Oneiro said and puts it on Sisi.
So if you wanna rabble against someone, do it against Deployment :p
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Sweet Rosella
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Posted - 2008.08.07 08:52:00 -
[120]
How many CCP employee's does it take to replace a light bulb
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