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ranna sleeper Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.08.07 09:25:00 - [121] Originally by: Sweet Rosella How many CCP employee's does it take to replace a light bulb 5. 4 to post on the forums explaining why it's taken longer then expected and 1 to actually DO IT -------------------- (thanks to fragito for the sig) please note my comments and thoughts are my own and
RFD commander	Posted - 2008.08.07 10:27:00 - [122] so we should hav a new mirror by monday? latest wednsday?
Grarr Dexx Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.08.07 11:10:00 - [123] How old are you, RFD? I'd like to make a comment that is worthy of your age.
FugginNutz Caldari Peekaboo I See You Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.08 14:54:00 - [124] Edited by: FugginNutz on 08/08/2008 14:54:49 Devs, I'll help you out here...I'll even email you a batch file to automate it for ya. 1. Go to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\Tranquility\AllSkills\ 2. Select all, then Copy. 3. Go to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\Singularity\AllSkills\ 3. Paste. Overwrite all files? Yes plz... 4. Reboot. Soon-ishÖ
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:47:00 - [125] Edited by: verde bandit on 08/08/2008 15:47:15 Originally by: FugginNutz Devs, I'll help you out here...I'll even email you a batch file to automate it for ya. 1. Go to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\Tranquility\AllSkills\ 2. Select all, then Copy. 3. Go to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\Singularity\AllSkills\ 3. Paste. Overwrite all files? Yes plz... 4. Reboot. Soon-ishÖ You clearly didn't read what Oneiromancer posted earlier in the thread, that's why you don't have the tiniest clue of what you're talking about... As Oneiro said, mirror != skills. They need a COMPLETE Tranquility database copy to get a stable base to work on. Afaik : - Operations Dept do the backup and copy it onto Singularity network. - Deployment Dept prune that copy to edit a lot of things Oneiro also mentionned ( ETC accounts changes so they don't expire, wipe out all POS warfare, seed the market with all those oh-so-loved 100 isk items, eventually implement previous mirror's capital ship building queues so the work done from it doesn't get lost, etc, etc ). TQ and Sisi aren't on the same computer, which would have been EVE Offline since Day 1. They're not even on the same network. So for once find informations when you're trying to troll/flame to make it at least decent, and not that kind of clueless bullsh*t.
FugginNutz Caldari Peekaboo I See You Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:51:00 - [126] Originally by: verde bandit Edited by: verde bandit on 08/08/2008 15:47:15 Originally by: FugginNutz Devs, I'll help you out here...I'll even email you a batch file to automate it for ya. 1. Go to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\Tranquility\AllSkills\ 2. Select all, then Copy. 3. Go to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\Singularity\AllSkills\ 3. Paste. Overwrite all files? Yes plz... 4. Reboot. Soon-ishÖ You clearly didn't read what Oneiromancer posted earlier in the thread, that's why you don't have the tiniest clue of what you're talking about... As Oneiro said, mirror != skills. They need a COMPLETE Tranquility database copy to get a stable base to work on. Afaik : - Operations Dept do the backup and copy it onto Singularity network. - Deployment Dept prune that copy to edit a lot of things Oneiro also mentionned ( ETC accounts changes so they don't expire, wipe out all POS warfare, seed the market with all those oh-so-loved 100 isk items, eventually implement previous mirror's capital ship building queues so the work done from it doesn't get lost, etc, etc ). TQ and Sisi aren't on the same computer, which would have been EVE Offline since Day 1. They're not even on the same network. So for once find informations when you're trying to troll/flame to make it at least decent, and not that kind of clueless bullsh*t. Dude....wtf you being so uptight for? When was the last time you got some lovin? You obviously missed my wink emoticon.
Archetype02 Gallente Comply Or Die	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:56:00 - [127] Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer We will try to put a new mirror on Singularity this week. To answer the question above, yes, it would be possible to make an incremental periodical update between the two databases, however it is not feasible for us. I'm going to explain a bit how the mirroring process works and why we have to prune the database we deploy on the public test servers before. A full backup of the Tranquility database is made periodically and stored on a server. That database is then copied onto Singularity or Multiplicity - the process takes around 7 hours. The copied database is then pruned in order to remove starbases and the moon minerals scrambled. This is done to prevent scouting on the test server of starbase locations and moon resources. The database is further edited with the following: * ETC accounts are edited so that they do not expire when the ETC payment runs out. * All accounts are voice enabled. * Agent memory is removed (standings and loyalty points). * S&I jobs are removed (this is done in order to prevent starbase S&I jobs from being stuck. * The market is seeded so that all market items cost 100 ISK and are in plentiful supply. At least one station per constellation is market seeded like this. * Other adjustments for our internal use. This process takes around 4 hours, then the database is deployed on the Singularity server. Depending on possible complications with the database copying, editing or with the server starting up after the database is deployed, the whole process can take up to 2 days. I hope this answers your questions. make a single mirror maxing every1's skill it only needs to be done once every year to accomidate new players.. thanks.. this also gives people the option to test EVERYTHING not just what they have trained for thus making it a more viable way to actualy test things.
verde bandit Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:09:00 - [128] Originally by: Archetype02 make a single mirror maxing every1's skill it only needs to be done once every year to accomidate new players.. thanks.. this also gives people the option to test EVERYTHING not just what they have trained for thus making it a more viable way to actualy test things. CCP need feedback from things tested with different skillsets. If every feedback report they'd get was from ALL Level V skilled pilots it'd be pretty useless.
Ragieza	Posted - 2008.08.08 18:07:00 - [129] Guys careful, CCP employers brains will blow up. remember they use hamsters to run the servers. imagion what they are, guinea pigs? ccp sort it out seriously. if ur gonna release a big patch like this atleast update the skills before u put it on otherwise u aint gonna get people being able to test it out fully meaning its pointless, and the people who r doin it, are quite sad to repeat the same skills they get on TQ flame me if u wish. i aint gonna waste my time trainin skills on 2 different servers the exact same time. whats the point . think smart ccp, think smart! mirror update same as patch = happy customers = more testing = u can relax and eat ur peanuts while u wait for replys instead of complaints. Fail much? awaits for ccp love bird fans to point the flaws in my post because they have no life
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.08.08 20:38:00 - [130] I cant see how good nano is in my own experience due to missing skills however i can tell by the number of vagabond, ishtar, pilgrim kills that i have that this patch is pure win, and the fights to kill those suckers were the best i have had in terms of adrenaline rushes.

Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.09 04:17:00 - [131] I propose they close down Sisi for a period of 6 months, and only allow true Bug Hunters on it. Maybe then, it would be taken for granted.
Murk Loar Caldari The Ex-Patriots	Posted - 2008.08.09 04:55:00 - [132] Originally by: Kil'Roy I propose they close down Sisi for a period of 6 months, and only allow true Bug Hunters on it. Not such a bad idea.Even if there had to be some kind of BH registration just to connect to SiSi Id still do it. On a sidenote,having max skilled players on the test server is not what CCP want people.It's 'meant' to be a reflection of the live server so all skill groups can test different things....you dont have max skills on TQ so why complain about not having them on SiSi?Okay,you may be a couple million sp behind on the test server and in a perfect world your skills would be identical to TQ everyday but it's not and complaining about it daily wont make it happen.Just be happy that they allow us on there at all. tl;dr...we're meant to be testing what we can 'really' fly/use on TQ. (And,be patient...Arma Day will happen again and we can all vent in carriers and dreads for 23 hours)
Fumunda minuts	Posted - 2008.08.09 13:44:00 - [133] Big speed changes across EVE. Please everyone go onto sisi and help us test. Give us feedback. Ok, but whats this I'm 3mill sp's short of what I have on tranq? Galli frigate 5 is not trained, most all my nav skills are not trained yet. How can I test my Ares on sisi? I can't even fly it there. Since the announced changes I've asked in forums and on SISI. I had a bug dev say it was going to be mirrored this week. Now it's too much trouble to do it? Well they did it before. With these changes affecting so many people in EVE and with all the calls for mass testing on SISI. You'd thank they'd mirror the dammed thing. Anyway I can't test my current ceptors and if I start to train the missing skills on SISI the changes will be implemented on Tranq well before my skills are trained on SISI.
Kepakh	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:49:00 - [134] If you want to help out with testing, you test with skills you have, you give feedback. No more no less. It is voluntary and a privilege, treat it like that. Testing requires no need to have same skills as on TQ. Singularity isn't there to test your fittings.
Ragieza	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:51:00 - [135] Originally by: Kepakh If you want to help out with testing, you test with skills you have, you give feedback. No more no less. It is voluntary and a privilege, treat it like that. Testing requires no need to have same skills as on TQ. Singularity isn't there to test your fittings. Okay mr i got my skills on sinq so i can say this n laugh. Im going to log onto test server and test my shiney new frig on a brand new character! oh yes. thats because i dont need skills, i can fly my frig not even fitted! well done kepakh for failing on ur witty comment. and yes it is there to test ur fittings because its a test server. u cant test ships without fits or different fits. you are a utter idiot. stay out of this topic.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.09 17:03:00 - [136] Originally by: Ragieza Originally by: Kepakh If you want to help out with testing, you test with skills you have, you give feedback. No more no less. It is voluntary and a privilege, treat it like that. Testing requires no need to have same skills as on TQ. Singularity isn't there to test your fittings. Okay mr i got my skills on sinq so i can say this n laugh. Im going to log onto test server and test my shiney new frig on a brand new character! oh yes. thats because i dont need skills, i can fly my frig not even fitted! well done kepakh for failing on ur witty comment. and yes it is there to test ur fittings because its a test server. u cant test ships without fits or different fits. you are a utter idiot. stay out of this topic. Ok, so you are a Noob, so what, get used to it. So they missed their "planned" window for deploying a mirror, so what, you are not paying for this service. People demand an estimate, and when it is given and missed by unforseen circumstances, or what ever, people respond like this? I would expect such demands for answers to when mirrors will be applied will be, or should be, ignored in the future. I was kind of surprised with this one.
Ragieza	Posted - 2008.08.09 17:22:00 - [137] Originally by: Kil'Roy Originally by: Ragieza Originally by: Kepakh If you want to help out with testing, you test with skills you have, you give feedback. No more no less. It is voluntary and a privilege, treat it like that. Testing requires no need to have same skills as on TQ. Singularity isn't there to test your fittings. Okay mr i got my skills on sinq so i can say this n laugh. Im going to log onto test server and test my shiney new frig on a brand new character! oh yes. thats because i dont need skills, i can fly my frig not even fitted! well done kepakh for failing on ur witty comment. and yes it is there to test ur fittings because its a test server. u cant test ships without fits or different fits. you are a utter idiot. stay out of this topic. Ok, so you are a Noob, so what, get used to it. So they missed their "planned" window for deploying a mirror, so what, you are not paying for this service. People demand an estimate, and when it is given and missed by unforseen circumstances, or what ever, people respond like this? I would expect such demands for answers to when mirrors will be applied will be, or should be, ignored in the future. I was kind of surprised with this one. Considering ur a 07 character u cant say much urself. if u were to not have all ur updated skills on sinq from tq u would be missing out on alot of important sp. cause ur still workin on spec'ing urself out. The fact is, if a new patch as big as this comes out. the mirror should be ready straight away to be put on. i think that stands for what every 1 would think. That is all im going to say, the mirror should be ready so every 1 can participate and test. as the sq server is for testing, which ccp should for-see that. And actually we r payin for the service cause if we didnt pay we wouldnt be on the test server in the first place. its not like we could come out of nowere n be like oh yes i can go on the test server because its free, oh wait, i forgot i have to have my account topped up before the mirror update That is so free. Again, get a clue =/
Kepakh	Posted - 2008.08.09 17:58:00 - [138] Originally by: Ragieza Okay mr i got my skills on sinq so i can say this n laugh. Im going to log onto test server and test my shiney new frig on a brand new character! oh yes. thats because i dont need skills, i can fly my frig not even fitted! well done kepakh for failing on ur witty comment. and yes it is there to test ur fittings because its a test server. u cant test ships without fits or different fits. you are a utter idiot. stay out of this topic. My comment was most likely too witty for your comprehension ability... I failed, I am sorry.
Ragieza	Posted - 2008.08.09 18:14:00 - [139] Originally by: Kepakh Originally by: Ragieza Okay mr i got my skills on sinq so i can say this n laugh. Im going to log onto test server and test my shiney new frig on a brand new character! oh yes. thats because i dont need skills, i can fly my frig not even fitted! well done kepakh for failing on ur witty comment. and yes it is there to test ur fittings because its a test server. u cant test ships without fits or different fits. you are a utter idiot. stay out of this topic. My comment was most likely too witty for your comprehension ability... I failed, I am sorry. be gone! off with ur head.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.09 20:53:00 - [140] Originally by: Ragieza Considering ur a 07 character u cant say much urself... You are new, you haven't heard of Forum Alts. This is just my latest... I like to be able to say anything I want, even flame those in my Alliance, without someone crying to my CEO about it. Kind of liberating, maybe I'll join a Corp that doesn't care sometime. As for you, I suggest you use the search feature for past topics regarding the test server, it might be enlightning to someone who is so new to the game. It might put your expectations a little more inline with reality, well maybe.

Ragieza	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:59:00 - [141] Originally by: Kil'Roy Originally by: Ragieza Considering ur a 07 character u cant say much urself... You are new, you haven't heard of Forum Alts. This is just my latest... I like to be able to say anything I want, even flame those in my Alliance, without someone crying to my CEO about it. Kind of liberating, maybe I'll join a Corp that doesn't care sometime. As for you, I suggest you use the search feature for past topics regarding the test server, it might be enlightning to someone who is so new to the game. It might put your expectations a little more inline with reality, well maybe. People that use forum alts to hide there identity, are cowards =] if u use a alt to hide from people in a game, what are you like in real life? You must be a right loser. Grow some balls and stop hiding. Get out there n show them you dont care. Scared of a game u pay for, you really are pathetic.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.10 07:46:00 - [142] Aww, so cute. Little Noobie thinks he got a dig.
Red zeon Caldari Shades Corp The OSS	Posted - 2008.08.10 08:29:00 - [143] Ragieza, this is a very political game also, dont mather if you flame alot of people and talk shit if your not in a corp and solo mission all day in empire. but saying wrong things can lead up to annoying bullshit
Ragieza	Posted - 2008.08.10 10:20:00 - [144] Originally by: Red zeon Ragieza, this is a very political game also, dont mather if you flame alot of people and talk shit if your not in a corp and solo mission all day in empire. but saying wrong things can lead up to annoying bullshit And you think i care?
Destructor1792 Minmatar Malicious Intentions Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.10 10:34:00 - [145] Edited by: Destructor1792 on 10/08/2008 10:41:35 Current mirror date: 17th January 2008 They want us to test new changes, then mirror the server.. simple really otherwise nearly all input will be based on what tranq was like at the start of the year!! Or is that CCP's idea of accurate QA testing C'mon CCP - you've upset alot of the player base with your proposed changes & in all my time of playing, i've never seen this much anger vented towards you! - and they're not minor changes either!.. Time to let us test them with our current skills cos atm, you're being torn to shreds on not only the Eve-O forums but on alot of others as well ______________________________________ *Bringing The Fun Back* I Have No Fear, Fear is for the weak.
Kepakh	Posted - 2008.08.10 11:33:00 - [146] Originally by: Destructor1792 Edited by: Destructor1792 on 10/08/2008 10:41:35 Current mirror date: 17th January 2008 They want us to test new changes, then mirror the server.. simple really otherwise nearly all input will be based on what tranq was like at the start of the year!! Or is that CCP's idea of accurate QA testing C'mon CCP - you've upset alot of the player base with your proposed changes & in all my time of playing, i've never seen this much anger vented towards you! - and they're not minor changes either!.. Time to let us test them with our current skills cos atm, you're being torn to shreds on not only the Eve-O forums but on alot of others as well I have to admit forums ain't well moderated... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=46836 Posted - 2003.12.09 16:02:00 - [1] (Updated on May 26, 2008 by CCP Tanis.) Current Singularity mirror: A new mirror to Singularity has been applied to Singularity on May 20th, 2008. The mirror was taken on May 5th.
Destructor1792 Minmatar Malicious Intentions Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.10 11:56:00 - [147] Edited by: Destructor1792 on 10/08/2008 11:59:47 Originally by: Kepakh I have to admit forums ain't well moderated... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=46836 Posted - 2003.12.09 16:02:00 - [1] (Updated on May 26, 2008 by CCP Tanis.) Current Singularity mirror: A new mirror to Singularity has been applied to Singularity on May 20th, 2008. The mirror was taken on May 5th. K - well i took the jan date from the very 1st post on this thread which is why i voiced my concerns but that'll teach me for not checking the post date . However, even if the latest was on may 5th that is still over 3 months old!! Lots can be skilled for in that amount of time. ______________________________________ *Bringing The Fun Back* I Have No Fear, Fear is for the weak.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.08.10 12:02:00 - [148] you know you can always just skill your characters up simultaneously on both servers right? Hell you can even spec for command ship on SISI while training for t2 bs weapons on TQ... Sure that sp is lost when mirror happens, but hey your TQ stuff gets imported. Win Win situation imo. See the problem with whiners is that they dont look for solutions, they want the solutions to find them, or devs to bend over backwards. tbh whiners need to be ignored until they understand this.
Destructor1792 Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2008.08.10 12:52:00 - [149] Originally by: rValdez5987 you know you can always just skill your characters up simultaneously on both servers right? Hell you can even spec for command ship on SISI while training for t2 bs weapons on TQ... Sure that sp is lost when mirror happens, but hey your TQ stuff gets imported. Win Win situation imo. See the problem with whiners is that they dont look for solutions, they want the solutions to find them, or devs to bend over backwards. tbh whiners need to be ignored until they understand this. And you do know that people use the test server once in a while when new stuff is released!! Seems the only whiner here is "YOU"(judging by your troll comments in other threads!) And If they want people to test New Content then it is up to them to make sure that the test server is as up to date as possible Here's a little example for you: You want to buy & try out the latest game instore for your pc? "Hey, soz, but we've only got a PC which is around 6 months old... best upgrade it yourself then come back and test the game" That is the analogy of your comment!! ______________________________________ *Bringing The Fun Back* I Have No Fear, Fear is for the weak.
Kepakh	Posted - 2008.08.10 13:57:00 - [150] Originally by: Destructor1792 And you do know that people use the test server once in a while when new stuff is released!! Seems the only whiner here is "YOU"(judging by your troll comments in other threads!) And If they want people to test New Content then it is up to them to make sure that the test server is as up to date as possible Here's a little example for you: You want to buy & try out the latest game instore for your pc? "Hey, soz, but we've only got a PC which is around 6 months old... best upgrade it yourself then come back and test the game" That is the analogy of your comment!! You do not need to have same skills as you currently have on TQ to test new content. Skills are rather irrelevant, there are other players who will test out with diffrent skill sets. As said above, having different skills from TQ can be considered as advantage. You can train skills and ships you would not train on TQ normaly. Logging Sisi occasionaly only and complaining about low skills afterwards is truly ridiculous. You do not pay CCP to work for you on test server, you work for them.



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