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Salpad
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Posted - 2007.09.24 09:08:00 -
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I sometimes get jammed during PVE, which means that for 20 seconds I can just sit there and do nothing. That's boring.
What exactly does jamming do, and what can I do about it?
One guess is that jamming reduces my max targeting range by 75%? Is this correct? If yes, I can fit Sensor Booster modules to increase my range, so that I'll still have a a chance. I can also learn skillz (Long Range Targeting, at least - I don't know if there are others) to further increase my targeting range bit.
What else can I do? What other modules can I fit, that gives me some kind of resistance to jamming? It's really annoying...
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Iracham
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.24 09:12:00 -
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Dampening reduces max targetting range (and targetting speed), and always hits.
Jamming disables locking at all, and is chance based. Equip backup sensor arrays or ECCM modules to counter it. Of course these modules will take up space better used for your tank, capacitor or DPS.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.24 09:39:00 -
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if your in a raven fit FoFs. Dont need a lock to start nailing things with these.
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Jon Hawkes
Nouveau Riche
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Posted - 2007.09.24 11:00:00 -
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Fit an ECCM module in a midslot and keep it running at all times. As a bonus, it also makes your ship much harder to scan down if you are running missions in low sec.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.09.24 11:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Jon Hawkes
Fit an ECCM module in a midslot and keep it running at all times. As a bonus, it also makes your ship much harder to scan down if you are running missions in low sec.
This.
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Mal Foronzonost
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Posted - 2007.09.24 12:44:00 -
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lol - BOB/Balackadder signature - so funny û lol
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Oprahh
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Posted - 2007.09.24 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Hawkes
Fit an ECCM module in a midslot and keep it running at all times. As a bonus, it also makes your ship much harder to scan down if you are running missions in low sec.
Equipping an ECCM makes it harder for pirates to scan your ship? I had no idea.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.09.24 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg
if your in a raven fit FoFs. Dont need a lock to start nailing things with these.
This is a silly practice. By the time you've shut down your launchers and reloaded, odds are the jamming cycle is over.
If they're jamming cruisers, send your drones after them as soon as you're able to get a lock for just a second, they'll continue attacking even if you get jammed again.
Safe the FOFs for when a player jams/damps you.
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Posted - 2007.09.24 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Oprahh
Originally by: Jon Hawkes
Fit an ECCM module in a midslot and keep it running at all times. As a bonus, it also makes your ship much harder to scan down if you are running missions in low sec.
Equipping an ECCM makes it harder for pirates to scan your ship? I had no idea.
Proof of this, or STFU.
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Gee'Kin
Tha Specialz
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Posted - 2007.09.24 13:20:00 -
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one word . f.o.f . fire and forget missles. Very dumb but very auto.
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.09.24 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Originally by: Oprahh
Originally by: Jon Hawkes
Fit an ECCM module in a midslot and keep it running at all times. As a bonus, it also makes your ship much harder to scan down if you are running missions in low sec.
Equipping an ECCM makes it harder for pirates to scan your ship? I had no idea.
Proof of this, or STFU.
It is true, thats why they make the signatures of carriers bigger, so that they are not harder to scann than a BS because of their very high sensor strength (and some other reasons).
Bigger sensor strength -> harder to scan
bigger signature radius -> easier to scan
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.24 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Hawkes
Fit an ECCM module in a midslot and keep it running at all times. As a bonus, it also makes your ship much harder to scan down if you are running missions in low sec.
They DO make you harder to probe, as the formula for your signal strength is sig radius / sensor strength.
Their value against NPC ECM is questionable though, as a lot of people report that NPC ECM is just a flat chance and ECCM makes no difference against them, and DB data supports this theory as well (They have an ECM chance, but no ECM strength).
Personally I stopped running any missions with Guristas in them when they started this annoyance, so no first hand experience.
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Dreadmuppet Four
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Posted - 2007.09.24 14:24:00 -
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no idea about mission rats but ECCM works well again 0.0 NPCs
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goodby4u
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.24 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
I sometimes get jammed during PVE, which means that for 20 seconds I can just sit there and do nothing. That's boring.
What exactly does jamming do, and what can I do about it?
One guess is that jamming reduces my max targeting range by 75%? Is this correct? If yes, I can fit Sensor Booster modules to increase my range, so that I'll still have a a chance. I can also learn skillz (Long Range Targeting, at least - I don't know if there are others) to further increase my targeting range bit.
What else can I do? What other modules can I fit, that gives me some kind of resistance to jamming? It's really annoying...
Brute force and FoFs.
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Salpad
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Posted - 2007.09.24 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Hawkes
Fit an ECCM module in a midslot and keep it running at all times. As a bonus, it also makes your ship much harder to scan down if you are running missions in low sec.
Since I'm Caldari, I use (AFAIK) gravimetric sensors, so I should fit this one:
ECCM - Gravimetric I
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Is there a formula to determine how jamming works?
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.09.24 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Jon Hawkes
Fit an ECCM module in a midslot and keep it running at all times. As a bonus, it also makes your ship much harder to scan down if you are running missions in low sec.
Since I'm Caldari, I use (AFAIK) gravimetric sensors, so I should fit this one:
ECCM - Gravimetric I
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Is there a formula to determine how jamming works?
Dont fit basic T1. Fit this . Jamming works very easy. If you have a strenght of 10 and you try to jam something with 100 strenght you have 10% chance of a succesful jam. Each ECM module is another roll of the dice.
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Odium47
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Posted - 2007.09.24 16:07:00 -
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There is nothing to make one resist to a jammer except imunity.
Sensor dampners reduce range and thus getting one out of jamming range...
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Salpad
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Posted - 2007.09.24 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Jon Hawkes
Fit an ECCM module in a midslot and keep it running at all times. As a bonus, it also makes your ship much harder to scan down if you are running missions in low sec.
Since I'm Caldari, I use (AFAIK) gravimetric sensors, so I should fit this one:
ECCM - Gravimetric I
?
Is there a formula to determine how jamming works?
Dont fit basic T1. Fit this . Jamming works very easy. If you have a strenght of 10 and you try to jam something with 100 strenght you have 10% chance of a succesful jam. Each ECM module is another roll of the dice.
Why should I fit the "conjunctive gravimetric eccm scanning array I", instead of a cheaper ECCM - Gravimetric I?
Is it beause the bonus is bigger? IIRC +96% versus +80%? Or is there some other reason?
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.24 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Why should I fit the "conjunctive gravimetric eccm scanning array I", instead of a cheaper ECCM - Gravimetric I?
Is it beause the bonus is bigger? IIRC +96% versus +80%? Or is there some other reason?
Why would you need another reason?
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Gartel Reiman
Project F3
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Posted - 2007.09.24 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
If you have a strenght of 10 and you try to jam something with 100 strenght you have 10% chance of a succesful jam.
Not quite. In that scenario you'd have a 10 / (10 + 100) = 1/11 or 9.09% chance of a jam, IIRC. You'd have 10% change if the target had 90 sensor strength. This makes sense, else if your target had a sensor strength of 10 you would always succeed in jamming. There are no certainties with ECM.
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Dheorl
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Posted - 2007.09.24 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: madaluap
If you have a strenght of 10 and you try to jam something with 100 strenght you have 10% chance of a succesful jam.
Not quite. In that scenario you'd have a 10 / (10 + 100) = 1/11 or 9.09% chance of a jam, IIRC. You'd have 10% change if the target had 90 sensor strength. This makes sense, else if your target had a sensor strength of 10 you would always succeed in jamming. There are no certainties with ECM.
As far as I was aware if you jamming strenght from a single jammer is higher than their sensor strenght your guarented a jam. Maybe Its just that its 99.99% or something but could have sworn it was certain.
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queen1121
Empire Dreams
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Posted - 2007.09.24 18:59:00 -
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In my experience, jamming actually stops after few cycles. Ok you have to wait out 1 minute but then it's pretty much no jamming.
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Terazuk
Amarr
Rogen's Heroes
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.24 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Originally by: Oprahh
Originally by: Jon Hawkes
Fit an ECCM module in a midslot and keep it running at all times. As a bonus, it also makes your ship much harder to scan down if you are running missions in low sec.
Equipping an ECCM makes it harder for pirates to scan your ship? I had no idea.
Proof of this, or STFU.
It is true, thats why they make the signatures of carriers bigger, so that they are not harder to scann than a BS because of their very high sensor strength (and some other reasons).
Bigger sensor strength -> harder to scan
bigger signature radius -> easier to scan
I get the distinct feeling you are talking complete and utter monkey twaddle.
ECCM do NOT make you harder to scan down.
Originally by: "Johho Bulon"
...for god sake please inspire us instead of the seemingly constant downgrading of anything that works.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.24 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Terazuk
I get the distinct feeling you are talking complete and utter monkey twaddle.
ECCM do NOT make you harder to scan down.
Go read Hoshi's guide to probing. He speaks the truth.
Why do you think a Covert Ops frig is so hard to find? Small signature, HUGE sensor strength. Both come into play.
Why do you think a passive Drake is so easy? HUGE signature, pitiful sensor strength.
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ArmyOfMe
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.09.24 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Terazuk
ECCM do NOT make you harder to scan down.
 try and read up on stuff before you post
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2007.09.24 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 24/09/2007 20:58:19
Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: madaluap
If you have a strenght of 10 and you try to jam something with 100 strenght you have 10% chance of a succesful jam.
Not quite. In that scenario you'd have a 10 / (10 + 100) = 1/11 or 9.09% chance of a jam, IIRC. You'd have 10% change if the target had 90 sensor strength. This makes sense, else if your target had a sensor strength of 10 you would always succeed in jamming. There are no certainties with ECM.
Don't correct someone else when you don't have a clue of what you are saying...
ECM functions exactly like madaluap said. A 10 strength ECM has 10% of chance against a 100 strength sensor. A 100+ strength ECM has 100% of chance. And yes you will have 100% of chance to scramble a target, as long as you have more strenth than its sensors, which is difficult in some cases and impossible against targets with strong sensors like battleships.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.09.25 01:46:00 -
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You really don't, NPC's HAX
reload tbh
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.09.25 02:17:00 -
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Anecdotal evidence;
My CEO was having trouble on a lvl 4 mission against Guristas, I volunteered to help.
So I got myself a light missile caracal with no tank and just eccm projectors, 4 of, gravimetric. Funny thing was he was being permajammed until I got there, when my eccms hit his ship he had a sensor strength of over 210. The guristas didn't get another jam hit on him for the rest of the mission and we breezed through it.
My ceo was in a raven.
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Terazuk
Amarr
Rogen's Heroes
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Terazuk
I get the distinct feeling you are talking complete and utter monkey twaddle.
ECCM do NOT make you harder to scan down.
Go read Hoshi's guide to probing. He speaks the truth.
Why do you think a Covert Ops frig is so hard to find? Small signature, HUGE sensor strength. Both come into play.
Why do you think a passive Drake is so easy? HUGE signature, pitiful sensor strength.
Ah and there we are, thanks for clearing that up for me...
Originally by: Hoshi
Signal strength is a factor of the sensor strength of the probe, the signal size of the target, the range from the probe to the target and any skills you might have.
Sensor strength is listed in the probe attributes.
Target Signal Size = Target Signature Radius / Target Sensor Strength
Large target = easier to find, target with high sensor strength = harder to find. These values can be modified, a target with several shield extenders will have larger signature radius and be easier to find while a target with ECCM will have higher sensor strength and will be harder find.
It is definitely something that I'll have to test for myself as I remain somewhat sceptical.
Originally by: "Johho Bulon"
...for god sake please inspire us instead of the seemingly constant downgrading of anything that works.
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