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Popsikle Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.24 23:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Popsikle on 24/09/2007 23:35:41 Edited by: Popsikle on 24/09/2007 23:35:22 So Ive been AFG for a while now, mostly planning IRL **** like a wedding a such whatever, doesnt matter really. I came back to check on how the Great War or whatever you hippies are calling it now to see alot of Goons screaming and yelling about how bad BoB are loosing. Im not going to lie, I was surprised to see this and just checked the territorial maps... Bob havent lost any space they didn't own at the start of this war so it doesnt really look like much of anything has really changed on the fronts... Most of the old north (except FLA) have moved back into the north as well, so really, this war is how old now and nothings really changed has it? Are all the "omg bob are loosing" posts just forum posturing, or is there something the territorial maps are missing. I might not be too much smarter then the rocks outside my house, but I just dont see what all the doomsday posters are posting about. Someone wanna point me in the right direction because the way I see it this war is really just a bunch of forum posturing without anyone on EITHER SIDE actually taking space. I know LV/-V- died but that was bound to happen well before BoB stepped in, so I think everyone already counted that space as belonging to RA. Also, is where are RA's pots on the forums, havent seen any classic red posts recently ;( Please make a quick post to tell me whats going on in the war, as I R 2 NUB to see it. ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.24 23:36:00 - [2] YOU ARE CORRECT AS LOSING OVER 100 POS's AND SEVERAL STATION SYSTEMS IS INSIGNIFICANT.
Tenebrys Promethean Industries R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.24 23:38:00 - [3] Territorial map hasn't been updated in about a month. As for the war, I know BoB lost 66- and some other important little systems, but as of late it seems they've been making a wee bit of a comeback. Not sure whether that's going to last or fade again, seeing as that everyone's all "carrier blob fighters lagspoit spam" about the recent fleet battles. Other than that, well, all I can say is that this war isn't going to end anytime within the year, with the way things are going.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.24 23:39:00 - [4] Use the influence map, not the territorial map... The BoBtrain pretty much stopped in Tenerifis and the fight is currently occurring in Feythabolis. Lots of explosions on both sides. Most recently, a lot on the Goon side. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Maraude Fury Minmatar Shadow Of The Light R i s e	Posted - 2007.09.24 23:57:00 - [5] Edited by: Maraude Fury on 24/09/2007 23:58:41 It's like any war. One grou pushed so far forward, then they were pushed back. As supply lines get longer and longer, each side runs into supply troubles. But the honest truth is that the majority of people on each side are in this for the pew pew. Some good epic battles have been fought, some epic lag battles have been lost(Becuase we ALL know the Servers win all lag battles.) Billions upon billions of isk have been lost. Many have stated that they are winning, and the opposition looseing. But until one side breaks the will of the other, things will just grind back and fourth in the south. it's been like this for a long time, and will continue for a long time. It's why most of us play the game :) Maraude Fury CEO: Shadow Of The Light .SOL. ]
Popsikle Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.24 23:58:00 - [6] Originally by: Dark Shikari Use the influence map, not the territorial map... The BoBtrain pretty much stopped in Tenerifis and the fight is currently occurring in Feythabolis. Lots of explosions on both sides. Most recently, a lot on the Goon side. Thats the one im using ( http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png ) to me it looks like both trains never left! Originally by: NO BRAKES YOU ARE CORRECT AS LOSING OVER 100 POS's AND SEVERAL STATION SYSTEMS IS INSIGNIFICANT. Which station systems? If you guys took back space they took from you, it kinda shows me what I thought, the war isnt going anywhere anytime soon (tm) as nobody can really manage to push anyone back for any significant amount of space/time. But thanks for the caps lock response, I feel honored. ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
Uuve Savisaalo Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.09.25 00:00:00 - [7] this is pretty much the official posturing venue and as such has little impact upon actual gameplay. that out of the way, i think the best way to look at the conflict is through considering each side's goal and reason for fighting. The war began as an all-out crusade for total domination of all 0.0 space between bob - at the time a hand-picked grouping of jaded veteran pvp pilots and corporations and lv - another pvp powerhouse controlling vast swaths of space all the way to RA borders. They already had a grouping of tenants to hold down the fort, provided logistical support and paid rent for the privelege. Then you must consider their opponents, most of whom were fighting amongst themselves at the start of the war. If you look at the alliances representing the 'greater bob community', they are proven veteran outfits. Certainly it should not take them nearly a year to crush the people they frequently described as 'already defeated' In fact, withdrawing from a particular opponent they deny the existence of became a pinnacle of irony. The coalition's goal at the outset, despite gushing bravado, has mostly been 'not fall over and die really fast', and i think they've done a half-decent job of it. Certainly a better one than bob did in declaring jihad against the universe. What i mean to say is that although we aren't dining in NOL, we're not paying rent either.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.09.25 00:00:00 - [8] /emote has been out of the game for nearly 5 months now, reactivated Nezzy a couple of days ago.. just for kicks and giggles. The last time I posted on EVE-O forums, was around the time of the big F-T dreadnought catastrophe when the coalition lost 50 dreads in an evening or something like that, where a BoB titan in gestation was not killed. Anyways... things haven't changed with the 'rapetrain' much except that the north is no longer involved in actively attacking BoB in the south. Seems to me that BoB is no worse off than they were 5 months ago. All in all the OP has a point imho.
Krychton Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.25 00:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Popsikle Edited by: Popsikle on 24/09/2007 23:35:41 Edited by: Popsikle on 24/09/2007 23:35:22 So Ive been AFG for a while now, mostly planning IRL **** like a wedding a such whatever, doesnt matter really. I came back to check on how the Great War or whatever you hippies are calling it now to see alot of Goons screaming and yelling about how bad BoB are loosing. Im not going to lie, I was surprised to see this and just checked the territorial maps... Bob havent lost any space they didn't own at the start of this war so it doesnt really look like much of anything has really changed on the fronts... Most of the old north (except FLA) have moved back into the north as well, so really, this war is how old now and nothings really changed has it? Are all the "omg bob are loosing" posts just forum posturing, or is there something the territorial maps are missing. I might not be too much smarter then the rocks outside my house, but I just dont see what all the doomsday posters are posting about. Someone wanna point me in the right direction because the way I see it this war is really just a bunch of forum posturing without anyone on EITHER SIDE actually taking space. I know LV/-V- died but that was bound to happen well before BoB stepped in, so I think everyone already counted that space as belonging to RA. Also, is where are RA's pots on the forums, havent seen any classic red posts recently ;( Please make a quick post to tell me whats going on in the war, as I R 2 NUB to see it. Its just propaganda, demoralize your enemy and all that yadda yadda. People will believe whatever they want anyway. Just don't believe everything you read on this forum. ---- \|Omerta Syndicate\|
Hubris Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.09.25 00:11:00 - [10] Edited by: Hubris on 25/09/2007 00:11:18 Originally by: Popsikle Edited by: Popsikle on 24/09/2007 23:35:41 Edited by: Popsikle on 24/09/2007 23:35:22 Bob havent lost any space they didn't own at the start of this war so it doesnt really look like much of anything has really changed on the fronts... Most of the old north (except FLA) have moved back into the north as well, so really, this war is how old now and nothings really changed has it? Are all the "omg bob are loosing" posts just forum posturing, or is there something the territorial maps are missing. well with that logic you could say that since bob started with nothing they could never really lose anything that they didn't start with. If you take the date of the official no brakes tour. As in when most went against bob (right after Stardate - T:20) you would notice a lot of bob and bob pet loss of space. Its all about when you start the clock for the war. -

xBANDWAGONx Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.09.25 00:11:00 - [11] Forums are the fourth front of this war... I'm not sure where the second and third are... but I know the forums are the fourth. --++-- ------[ EPIC FAIL ]------ --++--
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.25 00:13:00 - [12] nez..... is back.... The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 00:14:00 - [13] BY THIS LOGIC RA HAS ONLY TAKEN BACK ITS ORIGINAL SPACE AND LV WAS NEVER TRULY DEFEATED.
Ilmonstre Nymphetamine Junkies Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.09.25 00:22:00 - [14] Nez for pres
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.09.25 01:51:00 - [15] Edited by: CrispyKritters on 25/09/2007 01:51:34 So LV never really lost space they originally had V never really lost space they originally had ASCN never really lost space they originally had D2 never really lost space they originally had SE never really lost space they originally had CA never really lost space they originally had FA never really lost space they originally had
WrathOfOprah Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 02:20:00 - [16] What is this "Wartime" you speak of.
Kun'mi Amarr DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 02:34:00 - [17] there's a war?
WraithFire Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.25 08:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Kun'mi Edited by: Kun''mi on 25/09/2007 02:44:20 there's a war? damn beaten by 14 minutes, how did that happen ...ummm good question. --------------------- Carebears? Where?
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 08:17:00 - [19] You know in Winter 1944 Germany had more territories than it had at the beginning of the war, but still no one would bet a dime on it. Sure, BOB hasn't lost much from the beginning, but Rise and Corm are in a bad shape and probably won't be able to hold their space for much longer.
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 08:35:00 - [20] R-97 (Feythabolis) fell to RA and both CORM systems are now under GS majority pos control. In a few days barring a major reversal both systems will switch sov.

Taj Zela Minmatar Haha It Is To Laugh	Posted - 2007.09.25 08:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 25/09/2007 08:17:45 You know in Winter 1944 Germany had more territories than it had at the beginning of the war, but still no one would had bet a dime on it. Sure, BOB hasn't lost much from the beginning, but Rise and Corm are in a bad shape and probably won't be able to hold their space for much longer. Incoming WWII reference...........transmission incomplete. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Valorem ([email protected])
Shoukei Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2007.09.25 09:21:00 - [22] Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo The coalition's goal at the outset, despite gushing bravado, has mostly been 'not fall over and die really fast', and i think they've done a half-decent job of it. AAA, RA, IAC, D2, IRON, FLA, MM, Razor, UNL, Goons, and the list goes on until you reach some 40k players at the start of the conflict. so, their goal was to 'not fall over and die really fast'... okay. this fascinating insight into how to spin was brought to you by non other than people who killed all and anyone, including so called friends, that tried to enter bugged angel plexes. "friendship" is a very convenient word. easily thrown around and as easily broken later, when its more convenient. here be signatures!
OSughhi Romanian Army of ManiaCS	Posted - 2007.09.25 10:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo What i mean to say is that although we aren't dining in NOL, we're not paying rent either. I don't understand why everyone want to dine in nol. The food must be crappy there if BoB want to conquer the rest of eve.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.25 10:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Popsikle words Up north the McBob train has gained atleast 10 outpost stations since this kicked off. Down south they've lost quite a few, even more if you'd include LV and their implosion that happened after the scandal was brought up into the open.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.09.25 11:17:00 - [25] BOB and allies has lost ground in none of its original systems but due to being over stretched they have lost a few systems in out lying districts. Now though they are closer to home and more consolidated we are seeing stiffer resistance. Also the fact that GOON are once again screaming for nerfs, now on fighter drones (previously on titans) as BOB/allies are using these fighter drones to counter the lag bomb blobs GOON are still using to swamp more skilled enemies. So as per usual BOB/allies come up with a skilled way to stop GOON and its lemming like tactics and GOON counters by screaming for a nerf instead of actualy trying to out think or skilfuly counter ingame BOB's tactics. GOON are also bringing a lot of noob ships and shuttles to aid in lagging out BOBS forces this says a lot about how covering the space they took is causing them problems with attendance and quality ship types in there large fleet operations. The fighting in the north also seems to have stalled but wheter this is due to the lul before the storm mentality or just a non-pos war nap i heard about a few weeks ago im not totaly sure.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 11:19:00 - [26] Originally by: marakor This post was ignored because you chose to ignore marakor It's working!
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.09.25 11:22:00 - [27] Originally by: marakor BOB and allies has lost ground in none of its original systems but due to being over stretched they have lost a few systems in out lying districts. Now though they are closer to home and more consolidated we are seeing stiffer resistance. Also the fact that GOON are once again screaming for nerfs, now on fighter drones (previously on titans) as BOB/allies are using these fighter drones to counter the lag bomb blobs GOON are still using to swamp more skilled enemies. So as per usual BOB/allies come up with a skilled way to stop GOON and its lemming like tactics and GOON counters by screaming for a nerf instead of actualy trying to out think or skilfuly counter ingame BOB's tactics. GOON are also bringing a lot of noob ships and shuttles to aid in lagging out BOBS forces this says a lot about how covering the space they took is causing them problems with attendance and quality ship types in there large fleet operations. The fighting in the north also seems to have stalled but wheter this is due to the lul before the storm mentality or just a non-pos war nap i heard about a few weeks ago im not totaly sure. Oh and also GOON have found a way to stick there fingers in there ears and shout LALALALALA on the forums when ever they read a truth they dont like. 109
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 12:12:00 - [28] Originally by: marakor Oh and also GOON have found a way to stick there fingers in there ears and shout LALALALALA on the forums when ever they read a truth they dont like. 109 GOON thinks you've gotta be a parody poster. No one poster could possibly be this bad. You are like a Voltron of every idiotic alt corp dribble in one single consolidated body of stupid.
WrathOfOprah Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 12:43:00 - [29] Edited by: WrathOfOprah on 25/09/2007 12:44:58 Originally by: marakor BOB and allies has lost ground in none of its original systems but due to being over stretched they have lost a few systems in out lying districts. Now though they are closer to home and more consolidated we are seeing stiffer resistance. Also the fact that GOON are once again screaming for nerfs, now on fighter drones (previously on titans) as BOB/allies are using these fighter drones to counter the lag bomb blobs GOON are still using to swamp more skilled enemies. So as per usual BOB/allies come up with a skilled way to stop GOON and its lemming like tactics and GOON counters by screaming for a nerf instead of actualy trying to out think or skilfuly counter ingame BOB's tactics. GOON are also bringing a lot of noob ships and shuttles to aid in lagging out BOBS forces this says a lot about how covering the space they took is causing them problems with attendance and quality ship types in there large fleet operations. The fighting in the north also seems to have stalled but wheter this is due to the lul before the storm mentality or just a non-pos war nap i heard about a few weeks ago im not totaly sure. I like this guy. I didn't know BoB had such cute cheerleaders. Makes me wanna play for the other team, if ya know what I'm sayin Also. Goonfleet is so broke we can't even hand out our t1 frigs anymore. We're all flying noobships now. Failure Cascade is imminent.
JeanPaul Sartre 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.09.25 12:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Originally by: marakor This post was ignored because you chose to ignore marakor It's working! Ignored by a goon! Talk about owned. The north hasn't stalled. Pets are taking losses. Tri seem to have got mixed up in some Drone region thing.. but I'm sure theyll be back to harass "You Fallen What" soon, now standings have changed. -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.



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