This is a re-post on a previous idea that another user have made. ( older post have been locked due to inactivity and i find it an amazing idea hence why i re-open this )

Current state of skill training we may refer it as Passive , as it doesn't require you to do anything except put it in your skill queue and Wait. implants can improve this but it's not much...

Active Skills Training. See it as a Active shield hardener , it is still passive giving you the normal skill training rate when you don't use it , if you do activities affecting this skill it would switch to Active , skilling depending on your activity you are doing. ( passive time still remain it doesn't go away , just eat chunks of that time when you successfully complete a task )

example:
Kernite Processing V , my current skill is lvl 3 , to get the bonus time reduction on this skill would require me to do 2 actions..
A) go out there in a belt and mine some Kernite then go back to the station and Refine it ( the more you refine the more you get rewarded )
B) buy kernite off the market / contract and refine it ( the more you refine the more you get rewarded )
since this skill is a reprocess mining the kernite wouldnt put that skill in active state , it will only be active when you reprocess those kernite.

Also there is some condition for this skill to get affected. The current skill you want to be active NEEDs to be in your current skill queue. skills not in your skill queue won't be affected.

So let's say in my skill queue i have Scordite Processing III and Kernite Processing V while not in my skill queue i have Veldspar Processing IV and Pyroxeres Processing II , i got out there and mine some veldspar / pyroxeres , kernite , scordite...

When reprocessing those ores Only Scordite Processing and Kernite Processing will receive the bonus since they are in my skill queue.

Same idea with the drone training / missiles / shield / armor / Electonic skills and many other skills can be set to Active that way.

For exploit purpose ( old post was flamed on and called exploit cause the idea was based on MISSILES which the exploit mentioned was " get a buddy in a tank and fire missile on him all day " )

Make it that it only work in PvE.

Please keep the reply constructive , if you disagree with this idea it is totally fine but make a constructive post saying Why you disagree, If you agree with it and would like to change or throw in some new ideas please do so i will add them.

This is a re-post on a previous idea that another user have made. ( older post have been locked due to inactivity and i find it an amazing idea hence why i re-open this )

Current state of skill training we may refer it as Passive , as it doesn't require you to do anything except put it in your skill queue and Wait. implants can improve this but it's not much...

Active Skills Training. See it as a Active shield hardener , it is still passive giving you the normal skill training rate when you don't use it , if you do activities affecting this skill it would switch to Active , skilling depending on your activity you are doing. ( passive time still remain it doesn't go away , just eat chunks of that time when you successfully complete a task )

example:
Kernite Processing V , my current skill is lvl 3 , to get the bonus time reduction on this skill would require me to do 2 actions..
A) go out there in a belt and mine some Kernite then go back to the station and Refine it ( the more you refine the more you get rewarded )
B) buy kernite off the market / contract and refine it ( the more you refine the more you get rewarded )
since this skill is a reprocess mining the kernite wouldnt put that skill in active state , it will only be active when you reprocess those kernite.

Also there is some condition for this skill to get affected. The current skill you want to be active NEEDs to be in your current skill queue. skills not in your skill queue won't be affected.

So let's say in my skill queue i have Scordite Processing III and Kernite Processing V while not in my skill queue i have Veldspar Processing IV and Pyroxeres Processing II , i got out there and mine some veldspar / pyroxeres , kernite , scordite...

When reprocessing those ores Only Scordite Processing and Kernite Processing will receive the bonus since they are in my skill queue.

Same idea with the drone training / missiles / shield / armor / Electonic skills and many other skills can be set to Active that way.

For exploit purpose ( old post was flamed on and called exploit cause the idea was based on MISSILES which the exploit mentioned was " get a buddy in a tank and fire missile on him all day " )

Make it that it only work in PvE.

Please keep the reply constructive , if you disagree with this idea it is totally fine but make a constructive post saying Why you disagree, If you agree with it and would like to change or throw in some new ideas please do so i will add them.

One of the great features of this game is that it caters to the casual player by allowing them to train even while they're offline, there's no grind for skills, which a lot of players enjoy. EVE used to have some sort of active skill point earning I believe during beta and it was removed, CCP obviously thought it was a bad idea since it's easily farmed.

And why would it only be for PVE?

With all due respect, this isn't WoW. The only thing guys have that have been around a while is the fact that they have skills they have earned. It adds value to a character. This would just destroy a character market (No I don't buy and sell characters) and make it so a younger character can do stuff he wouldn't otherwise be able to yet.

Eve's well balanced in my opinion with it's ability to train while offline, and speed of training. New characters already get a jump start with a free implant that stacks with other implants (lasts 30 or 60 days can't remember which) along with other side affects that go with it.

I have toons ranging from 3 million skill points to 60 million skill points. To change this training system would in my mind be equivalent to the stupid crap that blizzard does over in WoW each time an expansion comes out. They decrease required experience to level in older areas of the game, and increase the experience given by the same area mobs to try to PUSH people into end game content quicker. There is no end game in Eve and the learning curve is like a cliff. Now you want to take a newb, and give him the ability to fly a battleship before he even has any concept of what it "really" takes to fly it?

This is an absolutely stupid idea that stems no doubt from the all American mindset that one must have "instant" gratification. Put in a movie, load your missiles skills or refining skills, turn on your lasers and make some isk. If you stop watching your training points accumulate it doesn't seem to take quite as long. :P

Oh, and +5's FTW.

Here we go again

What you propose WAS in-game.

It was exploited to hell and back.

It was removed.

Its not coming back.

/thread

Was it, when was that? ^^

But yeah, if this was ever implemented I would instantly just leave one toon afk shooting a rat while my alt reps it. Train logi and gunnery skills faster simultaneously :D Hell, get some drones in there too and train them up faster while I'm at it.

What, don't you do that already?

this is heading toward the graveyard again ... it's a shame , EvE really do need something to keep the game more active instead of an afk fest , more friendly to the general public and western gamers.

This is to reward people who are actually you know ... Playing the game activly ? on a daily basis ? enjoying eve for what it is.

this is heading toward the graveyard again ... it's a shame , EvE really do need something to keep the game more active instead of an afk fest , more friendly to the general public and western gamers.

+1 for faster skill training.

If CCP decided to make parts of the game Free-to-Play, then just restrict it to paid accounts.

woot ! positive feedback , didn't think that would happen !! lol
thanks!!

Like i said before , the current skill system the passive one wouldn't be altered , the active don't force you to go out there and grind. if you don't like to grind well don't your not being penalyzed because you ain't grinding.

I see it as i am running level 4 mission all day long , and it would be nice to gain some bonus as i pew pew with my missiles or drones or tank, doesn't have to be a big bonus , just something to make it look more " nice " more polished, yes i do like to see my ISKs piling up in the wallet , or getting some nice loots , upgrading new ships & what not.

Tho while i do this i often look at my skill page and i find it kind of lacking , seeing those big numbers of 10 days / 30 days skills and there's no way to improve them further, i mean i do have plenty of other skills i want to get , what will i have to play the game for like 10 years before i will finally get what i was aiming for ? , think most of you will agree that playing 10 years is a great idea and only the most " elite " player will make it... Not everyone is this dedicated into the game or can afford paying a subscription for leveling " ONE " skill. which is why sometimes the game feel empty or discourage new comers.

Nice system of active skill could possibly fix this as not only making the game look more rewarding on the career path you choose for your skill.

and for what Amaroq said....

I agree.

Get +5 implants, respec your attributes, sorted.

If this happens I'm going to emo ragequit and so will a lot of other emo kids.

Who the hell wants to really wait 3 or 4 years to be good at a few things in the game?

People that play Eve.

I don't want to have to load cheap ammo and spend 24 hours shooting a friend whilst we rep each other just so we can train up gunnery and logi a bit faster.

This idea will be abused to hell, and it will be boring as hell. If you aren't going to reply to the issues raised by numerous posters in this thread than what is the point in posting at all? You haven't even attempted to address any of the issues with the proposal.

Reply to some of the points and posts in this thread before continuing to attempt to forward your ideas please. Ignoring them just makes this thread look even more terrible.

As for only the most "elite" players. I have a character with 18m SP, it can do pretty much everything sub-cap that my 70m SP toon can. In fact, it's better at piloting T3s.


Erm, this game is free to play?

This mainly help out the new comers to eve ( first day ) , remember your first day in EvE how massive the game looked and felt like being opressed cause everything is expensive , takes very long to get something done , lots of skills you have to train which you quickly realize 21 days / 60 days trial ain't enough ( AND you can't learn most of the skills on trial ) , so you are left with 2 choices , leave it there it's a boring game everything takes too much time and it's not for you, or keep it cool and sub for it even knowing you will be there for a year or 2 of training for basic cores and maybe get something done with 1 of your career path you choosed.

It takes too long imho , for a new beginner ...

You also mention " this game is free to play " , well yeah if you can plex it , now tell me how you gonna Plex it giving the scenario where ... you start the game on a trial , you know nobody, even now after 4 years i still can't seem to be able to Plex both my accounts... So it's not free to play.

As for the abusing the skill... I'm sure CCP can prevent that shouldn't be too hard for them to balence it out.

Did I ever say it was? No, I just said that if CCP ever decided to make the game free-to-play, you should still get benefits for actually paying for the game.

The point is some people would actually like to grind for more than just reputation or isk. I can imagine not everyone can afford two accounts to train for example an Industrial toon and a PVP/PVE toon at the same time. Maybe they don't make enough isk to do it either. Imagine how those people feel? ''I gotta wait 2-3 years to be good at both professions I want to do''

Who the hell wants to really wait 3 or 4 years to be good at a few things in the game. Some skills should be grindable in the game and I think other people feel the same way.

Yes there are implants and respecs here and there but it really isn't much.

If you really stop to think about it....... You live in a highly advanced civilization that has figured out how to cloak ships, jump ships across the universe, build stations, mine moons, implants and clones, etc., etc., etc., so why in the hell does it make sense that it takes so long to learn certain skills after learning certain basic skills previously?

Hey guys! I learned Frigates to 5, Destroyers to 5, Cruisers to 5, but..... Now its going to take me a month to learn Battleships to 5? After already taking almost a month to learn every other class to 5? Is my character stupid? Just doesn't get how to fly a ship? Has to take remedial classes? Oh okay.. I got it. Where can I hire a tutor to speed this up some?

Okay so what is the deal? All of our toons are just handicapped or something? I'm an absolute PRO with medium lazors but OH NO... Don't give me LARGE LAZORS... HO NOOOO.... I JUST WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEM FOR ANOTHER MONTH OR SO....

That's just... Gay. In an epic proportion.

this is heading toward the graveyard again ... it's a shame , EvE really do need something to keep the game more active instead of an afk fest , more friendly to the general public and western gamers.

No. No. No.

The EVE skill system is beautify exactly because it is completely disconnected from the game play.
(...)

Playing EVE rewards you by letting you play EVE without any concern for irrelevant stuff such as doing the optimal thing to gather the most SP.

(...)
This is more reward than any kind of grinding system could ever hope to bring.

One set of conditions.

Skills invovled cannot be trained by time/passive.

Skills invovled cannot effect anything out in space.

Restrict to instation minigames for walking around envrionment.

Your name says it all... another Drizzt variation...

Do not need, Do not want. If I wanted to go smack stuff with a stick and raise my weapon skills I'd play wow...

I don't want to turn this game into a grind fest with this idea ( as it is already a grind fest )

TTo keep with the concept of EvE that skills take time to level up , same idea applies with the active . it's a " SIDE " bonus , you know what this mean ? it's not PRIMARY , meaning it's not forcing you to use it , .

Are you kidding me ? you saying you know better how to fly a ship without doing ANY effort for it than someone who is activly doing stuff with it ? go buy common sense.

how many time have you spent away from the game while it was in queue , how many month did it take without you doing ANY effort while it was training ?

wow, i'm stumped. 2012 still working on the same skill system there was 10 years ago.

put one in and wait til it's done ? not needing for you to play it ?

do you see what's wrong there ?

wow, i'm stumped. 2012 still working on the same skill system there was 10 years ago.

do you see what's wrong there ?

it's like trying to learn a monkey how to speak.

It's like you are saying " i don't want to get rewarded for playing / doing activity "
you are saying you prefer to put a skill on queues , and come back few days later when it's over and put another skill in and repeat.

Ok, this is not impossible, but ultimately it has to be popular in order to be desirable.

First, the characters are being trained by downloading skills over time. More difficult or complicated skills take longer for this reason.
It happens regardless of your location, interrupted only for clone jumping.

If you want it to be faster, you need to define how you would increase the speed. The current version uses your connection to your pod's systems, so it would need to replace that in some manner, or improve upon it.

Where do people go to learn anything? Schools or universities.

For a nominal fee, possibly modified by your faction, you could dock at a station run by the school teaching what you wanted, and double your learning speed for as long as you were docked.
In the event this is considered to reduce playing, the character would just need to get a booster drug for 24 hours of double speed on the specific skill.
(Have lousy faction? Cannot get to a teaching school for the skill you want? These could be sold on the market for a fee as well, but you would need to pay the price the reseller set instead)

This could be balanced, but I personally have little interest in them. I just like figuring out puzzles.

There used to be this in game, but it was removed very early on. Not only was it abused back then, but CCP could see it wasn't a mechanic they either needed or desired to have in Eve.

No thanks.