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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1272
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Posted - 2012.01.25 01:20:00 -
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Sicex wrote:Cyprus Black wrote: (Lots of CCP quotes saying 'No' quite clearly) In case everyone missed it, the thread ended on the first page.
And yet, here we are on the second, and until it gets locked, no thread ever ends. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
978
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Posted - 2012.01.25 01:39:00 -
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Why do you guys keep bumping this thread if you hate the idea so much? =P EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1272
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Posted - 2012.01.25 01:40:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Why do you guys keep bumping this thread if you hate the idea so much? =P
I have no problem with the idea. More missionbears will get killed. That simple. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
978
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:06:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Why do you guys keep bumping this thread if you hate the idea so much? =P I have no problem with the idea. More missionbears will get killed. That simple. ^^^ Yay for dead bears. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Ahsekuaw
Brother Theo's Monastery The Ancients.
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:03:00 -
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Smiling Menace wrote:Bad news for you I am afraid, OP. CCP has already ruled on this one and their view is the salvage isn't yours until it's in your cargohold. Ninja salvaging is working as intended.
Wrong sir. The mechanic is broken and here's why. Any NPC that I destroy in a mission site, the wreck turns white. Both loot and salvage. If a pilot enters my mission site and takes the loot from my white wrecks, they are flagged to me as a criminal and I have the option to engage them if I desire.
Several patches ago, CCP gave pilots the option to release the wrecks from the mission owner which turned them (the wreck salvage & loot) blue. At that point, anyone could loot and salvage with no criminal flags being issued. The implementation of this wreck ownership change is what broke the mechanic. If releasing a wreck to the public by turning it blue constitutes no criminal action, then a wreck that is white (loot and salvage) must belong to pilot that created that wreck in the first place.
In this current scenario, ninja salvaging must be considered an exploit since there are no criminal repercussions for salvaging a white wreck that belongs to a pilot that created it in the first place. CCP needs to fix this.
Then again, we're talking CCP here. Dont' hold your breath...
Ahs |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1370
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:40:00 -
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Ahsekuaw wrote:Smiling Menace wrote:Bad news for you I am afraid, OP. CCP has already ruled on this one and their view is the salvage isn't yours until it's in your cargohold. Ninja salvaging is working as intended. Wrong sir. The mechanic is broken and here's why. Any NPC that I destroy in a mission site, the wreck turns white. Both loot and salvage. If a pilot enters my mission site and takes the loot from my white wrecks, they are flagged to me as a criminal and I have the option to engage them if I desire. Several patches ago, CCP gave pilots the option to release the wrecks from the mission owner which turned them (the wreck salvage & loot) blue. At that point, anyone could loot and salvage with no criminal flags being issued. The implementation of this wreck ownership change is what broke the mechanic. If releasing a wreck to the public by turning it blue constitutes no criminal action, then a wreck that is white (loot and salvage) must belong to pilot that created that wreck in the first place. In this current scenario, ninja salvaging must be considered an exploit since there are no criminal repercussions for salvaging a white wreck that belongs to a pilot that created it in the first place. CCP needs to fix this. Then again, we're talking CCP here. Dont' hold your breath... Ahs
Nope. Turning the wreck blue only releases the contents of the wreck (Loot) to the public. Salvaging the wreck has never been considered a criminal action, and CCP has very clearly stated that salvage is considered to be publicly available on multiple occasions. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:45:00 -
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As per my longstanding position in these matters, I support this proposal. Missioners should not be restricted to watching mission looters go red flashy and then being too afraid to shoot them when they could also so easily be able to watch ninja savlagers go red flashy and ignore them too Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.02.05 22:00:00 -
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Again? Seriously?
LEARN TO ****ING READ!!!!!!!!!!
Devs said no.
End of ****ing story.
Don't like it, give me your stuff and Biomass. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1374
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Posted - 2012.02.06 00:46:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:Again? Seriously?
LEARN TO ****ING READ!!!!!!!!!!
Devs said no.
End of ****ing story.
Don't like it, give me your stuff and Biomass.
UMADBRO?
Don't get mad at the missionbears; it makes them think they've learned how to troll properly. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |

VonKolroth
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:31:00 -
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This thread has come back to life over and over again since salvages were introduced in the game. The only thing that needs to be nerfed here are expectations. |

Tyr Aeron
L0pht Systems
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:As per my longstanding position in these matters, I support this proposal. Missioners should not be restricted to watching mission looters go red flashy and then being too afraid to shoot them when they could also so easily be able to watch ninja savlagers go red flashy and ignore them too
^This.
I have a Pilgrim gathering dust in the hanger because no one will engage when it goes disco. I've gone so far as to loot and salvage entire missions as the ships are being shot in a noctis and STILL can't get anyone to take a shot at me.
How about we make the act of targeting someone a hostile act, which it is, and therefore an actionable offense. Of course it would be a field day until bears learn to set auto target-back to 0. |

Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:18:00 -
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Actually this could be solved easily: if you are still on grid wrecks are yours, when you fly away they become free-for-all.
Then if you wanted to salvage in mass scale (aka Noctis) you need to take risk of losing your wrecks, in case you want to be safe you can do slow-ass salvaging in marauder, without anyone spitting on your face.
An perfect example of risk vs reward imo.
edit: ops ninja edit ^^ |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1023
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:24:00 -
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It could be solved even easier than that. You wanna salvage "your" wrecks? Put a salvager on your ship and do it while you kill more rats. That or get an alt. Either way...no more need for threads like this one since it has already had a final say from the Devs on it.
WORKING AS INTENDED, NOT GOING TO CHANGE! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
301
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:51:00 -
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I dont think it should even count as stealing if they take loot from a wreck tbh, doesnt make sense. Just because you blew up an npc it doesnt make its wreck yours. In pvp the wreck and its content still belongs to the owner of the original ship, if anythign you are stealing form the npc you exploded. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Tenobia Aybara
the Organ Grinder and Company Higginbotham and Bailey's Circus
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:10:00 -
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Looting a wreck SHOULD be an offence to prevent people taking high level drops without possible repercussions.
However, ninja salvaging is good in my books, it is a way of baiting people that you shouldn't react to, like bumping in mining belts etc.
Don't like people ninja'ing you? (you are in hi-sec otherwise you would just pop them) then fit your ship to salvage as you go. Too far out? switch to blasters/pulse/autocannon
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Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
80
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Posted - 2012.02.07 09:26:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Xero Shifter wrote:Currently salvaging someone else's wreck doesn't trigger an aggression timer unless you also loot it. I'd like this changed, Do you even know what the word Salvage means??? Have you even bothered to look at the thousands of posts about this. I suggest you do a little research before posting here and making yourself look like a complete moron. Oh, and I'll just leave these here: by GM Ytterbium: "Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will, no matter if they belong to the same corporation or not and doing so is not considered as an exploit." by CCP Mitnal "Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing." by CCP Prism X "Sadly, I've already explained the whole shebang a couple of times already and have heard no discussions as to changing the ownership of salvage. Things are working as they were designed and I do believe we're quite happy about what the introduction of salvaging has done for us." by GM Faolchu "This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. "Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up." by CCP Prism X "If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further. "EVE is a really hostile game. We love how hostile it is.. we never meant for it to be a breeze."
Different thread same tired old "salvage is mine hands off" refrain expertly blown out of the water.
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