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BIind Man
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Posted - 2007.09.26 01:46:00 -
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Ive been thinking here.. can CCP still charge for EvE voice and expect people to pay for it while games like WoW and second life are getting it for free?
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.09.26 01:49:00 -
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A hint for you. Is this WoW? Is this Second life?
Think well before you answer
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Gojyu
Gallente
Ever Flow
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 01:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
A hint for you. Is this WoW? Is this Second life?
Think well before you answer
No, this is a competitor of wow and second life
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Daelorn
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.26 02:01:00 -
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Ventrilo
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Naervic
Gallente
Brotherhood of the Shadows
Momentum Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 02:03:00 -
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Well still, do you really think many people are gonna leave in-game voice as their primary factor for choosing between EVE Online, World of Warcraft, and Second Life? I dunno about y'all, but not in my case....
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.09.26 02:04:00 -
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AFAIK they haven't charged for it to date, and it's getting less and less likely they ever will.
When you can eventually use it out of game, it may actually be really cool.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.09.26 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
A hint for you. Is this WoW? Is this Second life?
Think well before you answer
No, this is a competitor of wow and second life
A competitor doesn't have to follow the same policy with the rest. Because then is a follower and not a competitor.
Also (a personal belief) this game is no competitor to WoW or Second life, the target group has differences than the target group of the others (especially for Second life).
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Nocturnal Avenger
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: BIind Man
Ive been thinking here.. can CCP still charge for EvE voice and expect people to pay for it while games like WoW and second life are getting it for free?
They can do what they want.
And I will continue using ventrilo.
EVE Voice might work, but when you are in a pvp gang, it would be hopeless to assume everyone had EVE Voice and it is thus far simpler and more reliable to use ventrilo/teamspeak.
EVE Voice needs to be free before I would dare depend on it.
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.09.26 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
A hint for you. Is this WoW? Is this Second life?
Think well before you answer
No, this is a competitor of wow and second life
Quick! EVE must mimic WoW in every way!
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Durethia
Momentum.
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
A hint for you. Is this WoW? Is this Second life?
Think well before you answer
No, this is a competitor of wow and second life
EVE is not a competitor to WoW or Second Life, though EVE is arguably within the MMORPG industry it cators to a very specific niche market, which has fewer players.
This sub-market EVE cators too, is vivid when looking at EVE demographics. Second Life might have similar demographics, but certainly not WoW. Second Life is much different in "game play" as it attempts to virtualize the real world... so yes, you do "work" in Second Life. Ironically, it could be argued that the political, industrial and economic models in EVE are more reflective of real life than Second Life Economics. There's an interesting blog on the economics of Second Life, and raises the question of whether it should fall under the jurisdiction of law-enforcement as the exchange of real money happens, yet accountants in Second Life are permitted to outright break virtually any financial law.
EVE can charge for built-in functionality because they don't have pressure from viable competitors.
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Gojyu
Gallente
Ever Flow
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 26/09/2007 02:29:48
Mis-post
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.09.26 02:40:00 -
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People are putting too much weight on the usual "But this is EVEz! We be the fanboiz! We adultz!" thing. *waves finger around* For shaaaame!! 
Now! Apologies for the logic to follow:
Yes, it would benefit EVE to have a free, built-in voice communication system and perhaps, just perhaps, it will come to it. But it's highly doubtful as there are people who are willing to pay for it. Yes, i'm sad to say, but as long as there's people who are willing to pay for the service, there's no real reason to make it free. As such. Moving along still.
It will take a while to make EVE-voice a working, space-shippy thing. Meaning that it needs to be as working as TS, Ventrilo etc, because people just are hellbent on using those. Mostly because they are used to them. And there within lies the problem;
- People are paying for EVE-voice already.
- Those people who don't, use Ventrilo/TS and as they are used to certain level of "quality/options", are not easily moved(up goes the dev costs)
Result? Keep EVE-Voice as a bonus to those who wish to pay for it and develop it to a TS/Ventrilo state when/if ou have time/resources.
Result for users? Some more waiting on this regard, but luckily there are options.
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Koldz
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.09.26 03:29:00 -
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I didn't read most of the posts besides the OP.
I will tell you straight up though, I know a little bit about Second Life. I worked on the in game Dell and NASA sims. The grid is much, much, much less stable with the release of the Voice enabled client. No money went into upgrading the hardware which believe me is already dated on the main grid, which is now basically working under twice the load now that Voice is released.
With WoW, I can almost guarantee you the same thing will happen. If anyone is worse than Linden Labs about upgrading their hardware, it would have to be Blizzard.
If I want to use voice in EVE, I don't mind paying extra for it. At least, from what I have seen in my sixty noobkin days of being on EVE, CCP at least reinvests in their hardware infrastructure.
Anyway, back to cybersex in Second Life for me until Scout Drones 5 levels.
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Prydeless
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: BIind Man
Ive been thinking here.. can CCP still charge for EvE voice and expect people to pay for it while games like WoW and second life are getting it for free?
They can do what they want.
And I will continue using ventrilo.
EVE Voice might work, but when you are in a pvp gang, it would be hopeless to assume everyone had EVE Voice and it is thus far simpler and more reliable to use ventrilo/teamspeak.
EVE Voice needs to be free before I would dare depend on it.
It is free at the moment. 
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Murukan
Minmatar
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2007.09.26 03:31:00 -
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all signs point to no one cares cause it's still much easier (and free!) to use ventrillo or teamspeak, so business as usual
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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ninjaholic
Gallente
Burn the Jolly Roger
Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: BIind Man
Ive been thinking here.. can CCP still charge for EvE voice and expect people to pay for it while games like WoW and second life are getting it for free?
Yes. They can. But most Eve players just use TeamSpeak or Ventrilo. Anyway, WoW is a ******** game, and so's Second Life, and if I had to pay to not listen to the freaks in either game, I would gladly, whatever the cost of the in-game voice.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Prydeless
Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: BIind Man
Ive been thinking here.. can CCP still charge for EvE voice and expect people to pay for it while games like WoW and second life are getting it for free?
They can do what they want.
And I will continue using ventrilo.
EVE Voice might work, but when you are in a pvp gang, it would be hopeless to assume everyone had EVE Voice and it is thus far simpler and more reliable to use ventrilo/teamspeak.
EVE Voice needs to be free before I would dare depend on it.
It is free at the moment.
I seriously expect that it's going to end up free before the middle of next year. The EVE player base has shown that it won't pay for extras like EVE Voice or EVE TV, which is why the latter is trying to find a way to live off of an advertising model. If CCP wants to keep EVE Voice and have people use it, they're inevitably going to have to make it free.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.26 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Edited by: Gojyu on 26/09/2007 02:44:21
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Quick! EVE must mimic WoW in every way!
A company providing a new feature to its subscribers in an attempt to improve their product for absolutely no financial gain. Yes, CCP should try a little mimicry there
You know WoW charges for expansions and CCP doesn't, right?
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Gojyu
Gallente
Ever Flow
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 26/09/2007 05:01:57
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Gojyu
Edited by: Gojyu on 26/09/2007 02:44:21
Quote:
Quick! EVE must mimic WoW in every way!
A company providing a new feature to its subscribers in an attempt to improve their product for absolutely no financial gain. Yes, CCP should try a little mimicry there
You know WoW charges for expansions and CCP doesn't, right?
--P
To be fair, with the number of features contained in ccp's "expansions", they're actually fairly tiny compared to your average warcraft content patch. Eve's never really had an expansion pack, and probably can't, given the nature of the game. You can't fundamentally alter the game by adding new areas, eve's systems are fairly standard and soulless, you don't have more levels to add and you don't have any dungeons to raid. Comparing eve's expansions to wow's is like comparing apples to oranges. Comparing eve's expansions to wow's free content patches, however, is something you can do
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Carebear Joe
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.09.26 05:26:00 -
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You know WoW charges for expansions and CCP doesn't, right?
--P
To be fair, with the number of features contained in ccp's "expansions", they're actually fairly tiny compared to your average warcraft content patch. Eve's never really had an expansion pack, and probably can't, given the nature of the game. You can't fundamentally alter the game by adding new areas, eve's systems are fairly standard and soulless, you don't have more levels to add and you don't have any dungeons to raid. Comparing eve's expansions to wow's is like comparing apples to oranges. Comparing eve's expansions to wow's free content patches, however, is something you can do
I disagree with you. There are dungeons to raid galore in this game....you just need to know where to look. Most of Eve though is working with your corpmates to take away others rights to toys in your "area"....where you get to pick that area. There is no comparison to WOW. Now to be on topic, I have yet to try the Eve voice. I am thinking that I will just to see how it works.
Carebear Joe
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.09.26 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: Thanos Draicon on 26/09/2007 05:31:24
EVE Voice will need to do these things before it gains significant use:
Similar quality as Ventrillo/TS
An external client so EVE-Voice doesn't crash if the client does
Allow for integrated functions with the eve fleet systems (creating channels based on squad/wing/fleet, etc.)
Create a corporate or alliance/wide pricing plan that can be paid in ISK
OR
Be free
If EVE voice can do all that, then I'll be using it.
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Smacko Thug
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Posted - 2007.09.26 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Gojyu
Edited by: Gojyu on 26/09/2007 02:44:21
Quote:
Quick! EVE must mimic WoW in every way!
A company providing a new feature to its subscribers in an attempt to improve their product for absolutely no financial gain. Yes, CCP should try a little mimicry there
You know WoW charges for expansions and CCP doesn't, right?
--P
You know WoW expansions are optional, and EVE expansions are not right?
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Valeo Galaem
New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit
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Posted - 2007.09.26 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: BIind Man
...can CCP still charge for EvE voice and expect people to pay for it?
Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
EVE Voice needs to be free before I would dare depend on it.
Originally by: Gojyu
...for absolutely no financial gain. Yes, CCP should try a little mimicry there.
Originally by: Murukan
it's still much easier (and free!) to use ventrillo or teamspeak, so business as usual.
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Be free
NEWS FLASH!EVE Voice has been FREE and is STILL free since it came out!
Thar be Pirates
You are not authorised to hack into CONCORD's mainframe
Your Wallet has been emptied!
CONCORD Encryption Methods |
Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.09.26 06:35:00 -
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I dont know whats wrong in this picture, the fact that people say EVE Voice is free (when it isnt at the end of the year, go look at the yearly cost, its equal to a month's worth of EVE), or that comparing EVE voice to WoW/Second Life voice chat and saying EVE Voice sucks.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.09.26 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
[...]EVE Voice needs to be free before I would dare depend on it.
EVE voice dont really need to be free for me to use it. But, it needs to be stable, so when you are CTD or lagging out of the game in fleetbattles, the connection continues without interference. Because that is one of the most important things the other services have: No interference with whatever happends to the game itself. I simply dont want EVE voice to CTD with the game in fleetbattles. I will be busy enough getting back to the game and the battle, if I should not start up EVE vocie again too.
But besides that, I am all positive to EVE Voice!
Originally by: Splagada
you're on eve-o, just go for blunt insults and random crap, please!
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Gold Rogers
Solitude Empires
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: Gold Rogers on 26/09/2007 08:13:16
Originally by: Smacko Thug
You know WoW expansions are optional, and EVE expansions are not right?
Well i'm 99% sure that people would prefer free content that you have to have, over paid content that is optional.
It's such a pain in games like WoW when friend A has all parts, then all of a sudden friend B comes along and wants to play but doesn't have access to the area you were planning to play in. So you change what you were going to do so they can tag a log then all of a sudden friend C signs on....
And so what if WoW has free voice, i'd rather have a controlled system like Ventrilo where it's a lot easier to block people out (Simply don't give them access to the server).
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Cornelius Murphy
Seven.
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Valeo Galaem
Originally by: BIind Man
...can CCP still charge for EvE voice and expect people to pay for it?
Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
EVE Voice needs to be free before I would dare depend on it.
Originally by: Gojyu
...for absolutely no financial gain. Yes, CCP should try a little mimicry there.
Originally by: Murukan
it's still much easier (and free!) to use ventrillo or teamspeak, so business as usual.
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Be free
NEWS FLASH!EVE Voice has been FREE and is STILL free since it came out!
So, its free then? 
Seriously I am glad you confirmed it, because I recall signing up for the "free trial" and still have it, yet have clearly not been charged as I pay for my account in gtc's so couldn't have been charged.
That said, its practicality compared to Ventrillo and Teamspeak is clearly lacking. Someone mentioned about separation from the client, which is a superb point. Vent already provides this. I genuinely see no use for Eve voice, and would be happy to see it removed to free up the already creaking servers.
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Gold Rogers
Solitude Empires
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cornelius Murphy
So, its free then?
Someone mentioned about separation from the client, which is a superb point. Vent already provides this.
Another advantage is you can use ventrilo rergardless of the game you're playing then if your corp needs you in Eve for something quick they can still get hold of you.
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Saint Luka
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 08:51:00 -
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I dont believe many people have actually got EvE voice just for the fact you have to pay for it. Why pay for something that TS/Ventrilo can do, to speak to complete randomers? Not likely.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 08:53:00 -
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WoW gives its players free voice comms.
Eve gives its players free expansions.
I know which one I prefer.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2007.09.26 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Smacko Thug
You know WoW expansions are optional, and EVE expansions are not right?
They are not really optional. Most of the gameplay is at top level and that means buying the expansion packs.
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Glengrant
Minmatar
TOHA Heavy Industries
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.26 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
WoW gives its players free voice comms.
Eve gives its players free expansions.
I know which one I prefer.
Anyway - neither is free. They are both additional features for a product that we pay monthly. The monthly prize was calculated to cover such feature development - which again has to happen to stay competitive.
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.09.26 10:18:00 -
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I have used TS and VENT on and off over tha last few years and Eve Voice since it came out.
The quality of EV should not be in question as I have found it to be much better than either TS or VENT
And it's free ! ! !
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Stellar Vix
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.26 10:30:00 -
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imo i dont mind if they charge us all 75cents more a month and make eve voice free for all and somewhat forced to use. becasue unlike ts or vent you cant hack voice to flood with members of the other hostile allaince.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.09.26 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
WoW gives its players free voice comms.
Eve gives its players free expansions.
I know which one I prefer.
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and who was that saying WoW expansions are bigger than eve's? eve has never had an expansion? are you loco? if walking, cap ships, contracts, tech 2 ships, exploration, POSes, Sov, New space, factional warfare, land combat, heat, graphical update, more new ships, titans, more new ships, hell, alliances, corporation hangers, cloaking, outposts, fleet command and tactical view, new NPC's, multi-level scenarios, war declaration, system scanning, invention, tractor beams, cosmos constellations, salvaging, rigs, boosters, seamless map, solar system view, UI improvements, yes the UI is better than the old.
there is a reason 1-up.com gave the game a 4/10 3 years ago and recently gave it a 9/10. Where have wow reviews gone recently? 7/10's 8/10's.
EvE adds content, WoW adds fluff. and eve adds fluff too jsut like WoW. but WoW releases nothing but fulff because that is what the target audience is looking for.
it sounds liek some people haven't been playing eve for a while.
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Congregatio
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
WoW gives its players free voice comms.
Eve gives its players free expansions.
I know which one I prefer.
signed
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Nocturnal Avenger
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Valeo Galaem
NEWS FLASH!EVE Voice has been FREE and is STILL free since it came out!
Ok - I seem to recall CCP saying something about it not meant to be free (except for trial perhaps - my impression anyway).
Not sure if CCP changed it's policy or if they just failed to deliver the message.
Anyway - before I switch to EVE Voice, I need to know it's free, staying free and is stable (which it ought to be btw - I recall CCP saying it's not running on the tranquility server).
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Gold Rogers
Solitude Empires
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:08:00 -
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Eve voice has another disadvantage over Ts / Ventrilo as well if they decide to charge for it you'd need to pay for each Eve account you have.
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Althea Nar'agh
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:16:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Gojyu
A company providing a new feature to its subscribers in an attempt to improve their product for absolutely no financial gain. Yes, CCP should try a little mimicry there
Right after you've payed for Rev 1.x 2.x 3.x ... oh waith i wanted to say burning crusader or something...
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EvE Training Monitor / iMonitor / iCEO
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zilllii
Squirrel Power
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Althea Nar'agh
Originally by: Gojyu
A company providing a new feature to its subscribers in an attempt to improve their product for absolutely no financial gain. Yes, CCP should try a little mimicry there
Right after you've payed for Rev 1.x 2.x 3.x ... oh waith i wanted to say burning crusader or something...
i pay for way less of that lag feature on my wow account then i do on my eve account
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Laah T'Sin
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Laah T''Sin on 26/09/2007 12:44:23
For me EVE voice is currently not an option - I need voice comms that are reliable and stable (two things that the EVE servers are not).
The fact that CCP actually has the balls to turn around and expect me to pay for a substandard Voice chat hosted on unstable and unreliable servers only increases the likelihood that I will never (EVER) use that service.
I'd prefer CCP wasting less time and money on useless (and totally redundant) features such as voice and start putting more effort into improving the game. When that is done CCP could simply host a TS Server that you can use for free as long as you have an active EVE account. Or they could leave it the way it worked the last 4,5 years and simply let the players organize their coms.
All in all CCP has once again shown, that they have no idea what their community actually wants unless there are 53452341 whine threads over 3 years and then the most pressing bugs are often still not fixed fast enough.
If EVE voice were properly implemented and hosted on a stable system (independent of the terribly unstable EVE-client) and was free without any extra effort on my part then I might have used it. Now that CCP has put everyone off by asking for money I'm pretty sure I'll never make use of the service.. not as long as there are alternatives like TS/vent and all the others.
Oh and did anyone notice that they made the same mistake with EVE-TV? Even after they noticed that only about 4 people were willing to pay even more money for a useless service (EVE voice) they still tried the same crap with EVE-TV - and failed (as EVE-TV is now free).
Epic fail on CCPs part thats for sure.
Edit:
And to the people that are saying EVE voice is free: There is currently a FREE TRIAL of EVE voice. That means as soon as enough people get used to using EVE voice and are hooked to it then CCP will start asking for money for it. So it's not free it just failed really badly - if 5000 players had all signed up in the first few days I'm sure CCP would already be raking in the cash from them. And if there ever should be a large amount of people using it then I'm pretty sure they'll start charging you for it then.
Until CCP officially says that they have abandoned any hopes of ever charging players for EVE voice I'm not gonna touch it with a 40 foot pole.
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Gold Rogers
Solitude Empires
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:24:00 -
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Laah T'Sin you do know that it wasn't CCP that made EVE Tv a pay to view service?
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Orivanna
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Orivanna on 26/09/2007 14:22:59
You all seem to be missing the fact that an average WoW content PATCH has more content than an EvE expansion, and patches are released in WoW more frequently.
Now, a WOW Expansion is not free, you are right, but if you have seen the amount of content in the Burning Crusade, you'd know it's almost like buying a new game. An EvE equivalent of that would be an entirely new race with it's set of high and low sec areas, corporations with unique rewards, an entirely new set of ships for that race, and a bunch of unique missions to do, new music score, etc, etc.
Now, obviously Bliz can do this because it has the money. CCP doesn't have the money to release as much content in a year as Bliz does, but when you say that CCP gives free expansions, you are mistaken.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Orivanna
Now, a WOW Expansion is not free, you are right, but if you have seen the amount of content in the Burning Crusade, you'd know it's almost like buying a new game.
Not almost, it is like buying a new game. It brought me back to WoW for several months (until I had seen all of the single user content and much of the instances).
CCP is doing pretty well (except at fixing lag), but one has to acknowledge that Blizz works a lot more/faster on content upgrades, free and non-free.
isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
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343conspiracy43345
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:03:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Daelorn
Ventrilo
You win this thread.
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Gojyu
Gallente
Ever Flow
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:07:00 -
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Quote:
CCP is doing pretty well (except at fixing lag), but one has to acknowledge that Blizz works a lot more/faster on content upgrades, free and non-free.
This is the internet- home of the eternal debate. No-one has to acknowledge anything  Eve fanbois will continue to believe eve is a unique and complex snowflake, wow fanbois will continue to believe that compared to end-game raiding, eve is about as complex as pong. This will continue until one of the games' servers shut down.
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kimish
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:08:00 -
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why pay to use a ingame voice when outgame is so much better?
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Stellar Vix
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.26 16:00:00 -
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out of game voice chats get hacked all the time and flodded with annoying people you dont know.
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