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For'Um Rantalt
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: For''Um Rantalt on 26/09/2007 11:03:45
hi
there is a guy named chi.
he is from china.
now he does not have much education, because he was born into poverty.
but what he has is a family.
1 cute little girl named lucy.
as his job he farms isks on EvE. it does not pay very well but it is better than nothing.
BAM then oveur came along and said its over. its fully his right to do so. and the EvE community loves it.
but now little girl starves to death.
the end.
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Nightsabre
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:08:00 -
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Go do it on WoW then, not Eve!
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:08:00 -
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Slow news day today?
 Originally by: David Hackworth
ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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C601
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:12:00 -
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That's right blame Oveur and CCP... 
Dam ISK Spammers 
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prsr
Gallente
JuBa Corp
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: prsr on 26/09/2007 11:25:19
Nice story, doesn't make a lot of sense though.
Is this some silly way to get people to say things you want to hear?
btw, besides the rest of the nonsensical points of your story, why wouldn't "Chi" go and find another job instead of watching from the sidelines while CCP kills his daughter as you so eloquently put it? Not really all that hard in China at the moment you know.
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Fintaki
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:21:00 -
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"now he does not have much education, because he was born into poverty."
Just maybe he should not have spent then entire gross income of his village to buy the computer/internet connection and electricity to be an isk farmer in EVE.
Suggestion - sell the computer, use the electricity to light and warm a place to work doing something that pays better. Be a responsible parent and buy his child food and clothing. That is if he can get over his Internet game addiction.
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Nazdarovie
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Nazdarovie on 26/09/2007 11:24:37
Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
Edited by: For''Um Rantalt on 26/09/2007 11:03:45
but what he has is a family.
1 cute little girl named lucy.
hmm i know quite a few chinese girls and there aint no lucy's !
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Scrap Brain
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:42:00 -
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I assume everyone who complains about sweatshop labour isk farmers buys ethically sourced clothing and food?
oh, they don't?
Much of the third world is built around providing the Developed nations with 'cheap stuffs', that someone is farming computer game currency to sell is just proof of how lucky you are. Give them a break you internet toughguys, they are doing what they to simply improve their standard of living; instead, perhaps, blame the players who buy this currency. Know someone who buys currency? laugh at them, shame them. Know someone circumventing the entire risk Vs reward of EvE by selling oodles of GTCs? laugh at them, shame them.
In every online game there's this voice of 'OMFG kill the farmer bots!!', but always, much queiter, is the person suggesting, "hey, let's blame the tards that buy the currency and skew the game for the rest of us".
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Great Artista
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:45:00 -
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It wrecks ingame economy, thus ruins my gaming experience. Let her starve. 
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
Edited by: For''Um Rantalt on 26/09/2007 11:03:45
hi
there is a guy named chi.
he is from china.
now he does not have much education, because he was born into poverty.
but what he has is a family.
1 cute little girl named lucy.
as his job he farms isks on EvE. it does not pay very well but it is better than nothing.
BAM then oveur came along and said its over. its fully his right to do so. and the EvE community loves it.
but now little girl starves to death.
the end.
Can I have his stuff?
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Boonaki
Caldari
Knights of Chaos
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:12:00 -
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I used to enjoy griefing the farmers cause I knew there was a chance I could make children starve.
Only in eve do I get to do something like that (without being arrested for child abuse).
Fear the Ibis of doom!
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:26:00 -
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Well, CCP could make special 'learning missions', allowing the farmers to take and complete educational courses online for the reward of isk for such people.
Would not reduce the isk inflow from farmers, but would tech them valuable skills instead of numbing their minds by repeating the same actions over and over again.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
I used to enjoy griefing the farmers cause I knew there was a chance I could make children starve.
Only in eve do I get to do something like that (without being arrested for child abuse).
QFT.
It is a shame that this person only had one though, would of been nicer if it was 5+
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Sarkkon
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:30:00 -
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Seems like a Troll post to me
[and resident labor camps only pay room and board]
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
Edited by: For''Um Rantalt on 26/09/2007 11:03:45
hi
there is a guy named chi.
he is from china.
now he does not have much education, because he was born into poverty.
but what he has is a family.
1 cute little girl named lucy.
as his job he farms isks on EvE. it does not pay very well but it is better than nothing.
BAM then oveur came along and said its over. its fully his right to do so. and the EvE community loves it.
but now little girl starves to death.
the end.
He could get a normal job..
China is not the country where work is most difficult to get these days. Now, if it had been in Africa, now then I MIGHT have understood it, since work is almost non existent there, and with 80% unemployment in many of its countries. China however is a growing nation with high demand for more work force.
Anyway. Its against the rules of EVE. byeee. booom. ban. The ISK seller will be banned.
Originally by: Splagada
you're on eve-o, just go for blunt insults and random crap, please!
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Ghaelsto Kakram
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:42:00 -
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1 chinese down
1.3 billion to go
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
Edited by: For''Um Rantalt on 26/09/2007 11:03:45
hi
there is a guy named chi.
he is from china.
now he does not have much education, because he was born into poverty.
but what he has is a family.
1 cute little girl named lucy.
as his job he farms isks on EvE. it does not pay very well but it is better than nothing.
BAM then oveur came along and said its over. its fully his right to do so. and the EvE community loves it.
but now little girl starves to death.
the end.
What sentence dictates that i should give a ****?
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:59:00 -
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ISK farmers are more sophisticated now!
The bastards cloak and log upon your entry....
They gang up with other sweatshop workers to gank you.
Their operations rival that of the major alliances, which they belong to these days.
It boils down to the major alliances cleaning up their acts. (HINT there IAC)
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:07:00 -
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Excellent work CCP, keep the bans coming.
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Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:18:00 -
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Whilst I don't give a figs nuts about the isk farmer, no matter which country they come from; I have always wondered why the isk buyer is never the target for the hatred. Take away the buyers and you no longer have a farmer.
I guess Mark Jacobs, vice president at Electronic Arts and creator of the classic M.M.O. Dark Age of Camelot; got it right. “Are you going to get more sympathy from busting 50,000 Chinese farmers or from busting 10,000 Americans that are buying?
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:20:00 -
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Now I would have thunked that Mr. Chi would have just gone and got another account.
Most likely from his sweatshop boss.
And so Mr. Chi is still supplying rich Americans with ISK and his daughter Ms. Lucy with food.
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Sartaron
Amarr
Quantar Swords
SynchronizerZ
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista
Edited by: Great Artista on 26/09/2007 11:48:36
It wrecks ingame economy, thus ruins my gaming experience. Let her starve.
EDIT* Hmm, ofc I was being sarcastic. (Just making sure that no jumpy forum mod gets me banned )
How do they wreck ingame-economy? By doing something everybody else could also do? The only difference between them and a player-farmer is, that their wealth is transferred to another player for RL-money. RL-money is not part of the system, so it has no effect.
So, its just the same as if you would wire your friend some ISK for no RL-reward.
Its CCPs crappy ISL-source to ISK-sink relation, that wrecks the ingame economy.
And (oh, no, I did not buy any ISK) I don't have any problem with ISK-sellers or ISK-buyers. Its all about enviousness.
PS: I want all want to have all players who have faster computer-hardware than me have their clients slowed down. Its unfair that they can spend more money on hardware than me and therefore have a better game-experience.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:48:00 -
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I think the real objection people have is to competing with people who have an MMO as their first job.
For most players it's a second "job".
And it is a "job" because time = money/success.
What that says about our concept of fun, I do not know.
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Grifanel Maeibae
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nazdarovie
Edited by: Nazdarovie on 26/09/2007 11:24:37
Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
Edited by: For''Um Rantalt on 26/09/2007 11:03:45
but what he has is a family.
1 cute little girl named lucy.
hmm i know quite a few chinese girls and there aint no lucy's !
and you know every girl in china?
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Vyyrus
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:52:00 -
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Do you guys know how much the american or euro is worth in china? No i don't feel sorry for them. They are getting usd/euros by just playing a freaking game must be living really well. They just don't want to get a real freaking job like the rest of the world.
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Altaree
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:55:00 -
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After what I have heard they do to little girls in China, I don't believe this at all.
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
Edited by: For''Um Rantalt on 26/09/2007 11:03:45
hi
there is a guy named chi.
he is from china.
now he does not have much education, because he was born into poverty.
but what he has is a family.
1 cute little girl named lucy.
as his job he farms isks on EvE. it does not pay very well but it is better than nothing.
BAM then oveur came along and said its over. its fully his right to do so. and the EvE community loves it.
but now little girl starves to death.
the end.
rofl
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Ratridevi
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
1 chinese down
1.3 billion to go
he wins..QFT
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:13:00 -
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Must kill more farmers...
Follow them to their base.. strike them down.. kill them... all of them
Do they ruin the game.. yes
Do I care that its some chinese young adults idea of a real job... no
Do I harass, abuse, PK and otherwise disrupt farmers if the chance arises.. Hell yes.
I dont play this game to ruin the experience of others.. I don't appreciate the farmers ruining my game experience.. therefor I am proactive in destroying their "business" as the powers that be are incapable of doing.
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Athena Rivera
Minmatar
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:16:00 -
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I take great pleasure in killing off isk farmers everywhere I go. It is a shame that they run away from the first sign of someone in local flying an ibis of doom or a harmless ship only to log soon after. The best part is when they bring friends to come kill you, that is a perfect opportunity to call in a few friends of your own to ruin their fun. It's also great when they logoff, fire a probe away, warp to result and kill them in one min or less (unless they log with aggro). Good enough to steal away all their rice and free ravens in deep safe spots :)
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Mangala Solaris
Caldari
Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
Edited by: For''Um Rantalt on 26/09/2007 11:03:45
1 cute little girl named lucy.
Wow! A chinese family with a girl child they didnt drown in a well or abort per-term as they really wanted a boy who will take care of them in old age.
Shame on us for taking money away from someone who went against his cultural norms :)
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
Edited by: For''Um Rantalt on 26/09/2007 11:03:45
hi
there is a guy named chi.
he is from china.
now he does not have much education, because he was born into poverty.
but what he has is a family.
1 cute little girl named lucy.
as his job he farms isks on EvE. it does not pay very well but it is better than nothing.
BAM then oveur came along and said its over. its fully his right to do so. and the EvE community loves it.
but now little girl starves to death.
the end.
Saves us from another potential isk farmers in a couple of years.
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Valrandir
Gallente
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
Edited by: For''Um Rantalt on 26/09/2007 11:03:45
hi
there is a guy named chi.
he is from china.
now he does not have much education, because he was born into poverty.
but what he has is a family.
1 cute little girl named lucy.
as his job he farms isks on EvE. it does not pay very well but it is better than nothing.
BAM then oveur came along and said its over. its fully his right to do so. and the EvE community loves it.
but now little girl starves to death.
the end.
Wrong
That Chi guy find another solution.
Regardless, we are not responsible to support random people in random contries.
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This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware
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Dwaine Dibley
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
Edited by: For''Um Rantalt on 26/09/2007 11:03:45
hi
there is a guy named chi.
he is from china.
now he does not have much education, because he was born into poverty.
but what he has is a family.
1 cute little girl named lucy.
as his job he farms isks on EvE. it does not pay very well but it is better than nothing.
BAM then oveur came along and said its over. its fully his right to do so. and the EvE community loves it.
but now little girl starves to death.
the end.
Did she drop any good loot?
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Shari Vegas
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:51:00 -
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Remember - Only you can help control the Chinese population.
Have your ISK farmer spade our neutered.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I have no clue.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:57:00 -
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There actually was a guy named halsteadd.
he was in a cloaking raven.
one day he didn't cloak fast enough and died while begging me in broken English to not kill him.
he's back in the same system.
i plan to kill him again and again till he gets the point.
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Bosjathfort
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:05:00 -
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Kill the farmers and ban the buyers ;) problem solved :)
PS: I loled @ this story, if that guy could explain what happened to his family Im sure he'd find a job better than being a isk farmer :)
PPS: farming isk is okay, what's the problem with isk farming ;)? the problem is when u sell isks for real $$ :) 
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Vyyrus
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:12:00 -
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Nothing brings me more pleasure than to here of an isk farmers death. Yes it is okay to isk farm for yourself but not sell it for real life currency. You are breaking the EULA of eve.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Scrap Brain
Much of the third world is built around providing the Developed nations with 'cheap stuffs',
Precisely, and for every ISK farmer in EVE, there are several (illegal) ISK buyers. Some of them are probably such hypocrites that they both buy ISK illegally and post racist flames about ISK farmers on the forums at the same time...
You don't have to like ISK farming, since it may adversely influence your carebearish and boring way of playing EVE (I've never had that happen to me for example), but think before you post. Even if the OP was only trolling, some of those ISK farmers are really poor and work under extremely bad conditions in a country you would not want to live in. So at least be considerate and refrain from posting racist stuff about Chinese people...
isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Fswd
Saves us from another potential isk farmers in a couple of years.
Well who knows, perhaps in 20 years that girl will be the ISK buyer and your kids will be the farmers. God knows the so called "western world" is going downhills rapidly these days...
isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
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For'Um Rantalt
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:45:00 -
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news update
lucy was instead sold to sex-slaver
she now spends her life in bangkok getting banged by koks with a 95% chance she will get AIDS within a year.
if only there werent so much hate
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Vyyrus
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
news update
lucy was instead sold to sex-slaver
she now spends her life in bangkok getting banged by koks with a 95% chance she will get AIDS within a year.
if only there werent so much hate
Is this your attempt to be funny?
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Reverend Void
Amarr
Explicitex Network
The Eclipse Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.26 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Must kill more farmers...
Follow them to their base.. strike them down.. kill them... all of them
*echoing*
No mercyyyyy!! No mercyyyy!
Not sure if anyone else got that, but I appreciated it.
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 16:22:00 -
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Isk farmers and buyers ruin my game because when they sell there billion isk or whatever to a regular player, that provides a form of extreme “labour compression” – that is, in one single moment, and with zero in-game effort, the buyer gains what would take me weeks or months, devaluing my own isk even further and making my billion (should I even work hard enough to get that much) worth even less.
Ever wonder why a Vindicator costs so much?
-1/3 of the reason is because its rare
-1/3 of the reason is because older / better players can afford that much
-1/3 of the reason is because some noob buys them with ebay isk and raises demand, and thus price.
The same people that do this, are likely the same people who ruin all the FPS games I play – “oh I haven’t got time to learn how to play or develop real skill, so I aimbot/wallhack/glitch to win instead”.
Pathetic.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 16:47:00 -
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1st of all Chi does not have a cute little girl.
If he was permitted any children the only one he let live was a boy child because there is hope that it will take care of him in his old age.
2nd- Chi is not unlucky.. Chi is one of the few people in certain areas of china that actually have paying work. Chi is bringing something home as opposed too many many out of work and dying chineese.
3rd- It breaks the boredom in Chi's day when you gank him.. now he has a new goal.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.09.26 16:55:00 -
[46]
Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
BAM then oveur came along and said its over. its fully his right to do so. and the EvE community loves it.
but now little girl starves to death.
the end.
\o/, get a real job next time.
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.09.26 17:14:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Reverend Void
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Must kill more farmers...
Follow them to their base.. strike them down.. kill them... all of them
*echoing*
No mercyyyyy!! No mercyyyy!
Not sure if anyone else got that, but I appreciated it.
Now I just need the opportunity to use her quote from Shattered Dreams when they jump 5 warcruisers on top of the station to counter the EA's second wave of Distroyers.
That quote and the EA commanders response were priceless goodness.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.26 17:51:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Alski
Isk farmers and buyers ruin my game because when they sell there billion isk or whatever to a regular player, that provides a form of extreme ôlabour compressionö û that is, in one single moment, and with zero in-game effort, the buyer gains what would take me weeks or months, devaluing my own isk even further and making my billion (should I even work hard enough to get that much) worth even less.
Ever wonder why a Vindicator costs so much?
-1/3 of the reason is because its rare
-1/3 of the reason is because older / better players can afford that much
-1/3 of the reason is because some noob buys them with ebay isk and raises demand, and thus price.
The same people that do this, are likely the same people who ruin all the FPS games I play û ôoh I havenÆt got time to learn how to play or develop real skill, so I aimbot/wallhack/glitch to win insteadö.
Pathetic.
For EVE this whole line of argumentation is flawed, because CCP allow and support ISK <=> GTC trades, for which all your points against ISK selling/buying also apply.
So if you have a problem with people buying ISK in EVE, live with it or leave the game. I've given up complaining about it, I only point out how hypocritical it is ...
isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 18:26:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Lazuran
For EVE this whole line of argumentation is flawed, because CCP allow and support ISK <=> GTC trades, for which all your points against ISK selling/buying also apply.
for a price/isk ratio that is about 5-6 times of what ebay can offer, thus limiting it, also your ignoreing the fact that the isk that is sold does not come "nowhere", ie: an isk farmer farming isk fountains, it comes from anouther players pocket, one PLAYER gets poorer, anouther gets richer.
Originally by: Lazuran
So if you have a problem with people buying ISK in EVE, live with it or leave the game.
If you have a problem with me compaining about it, you leave the thread. 
I can "live with it", it doesent mean i have to like or aprove of it.
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari
Ascent of Ages
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.26 18:32:00 -
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A really sad story. It touched my heart........or would have done if I wasn't such a heartless I.T Geek.
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Sartaron
Amarr
Quantar Swords
SynchronizerZ
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Posted - 2007.09.26 18:41:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Alski
[...]
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for a price/isk ratio that is about 5-6 times of what ebay can offer, thus limiting it, also your ignoreing the fact that the isk that is sold does not come "nowhere", ie:
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an isk farmer farming isk fountains, it comes from anouther players pocket, one PLAYER gets poorer, anouther gets richer.
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1) This is just about the amount of ISK traded. Where is the borderline where it gets harmful? How can you tell that CCP-ISK-transfer is ok and that what the sellers sell is not?
2) One gets poorer, one gets richer. Sounds like a null-sum, which certainly doesn't have an effect.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 18:47:00 -
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Perhaps, instead of complaining about it in the forums, you should cancel your EVE account and send your money to charity instead. Cancel your internet, and sell your PC while you're at it, and give it all to the poor and homeless. In fact, if the guilt is so terrible, you shouldn't even be here. Quit your job, sublet your apartment and go join the Peace Corps. Then you'll sleep with a clear conscience.
Win-Win!
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 18:52:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Sartaron
1) This is just about the amount of ISK traded. Where is the borderline where it gets harmful? How can you tell that CCP-ISK-transfer is ok and that what the sellers sell is not?
Because its not a ISK transfer from CCP, or from someone whos existance in the game is 100% based only for generateing ISK, or from a scource or charicter that does not require ISK in any form.
It is from anouther Player, to anouther player, the player that the isk comes from no-longer has that isk to spend, so the overall change is zero, it just moves isk from one person to anouther.
Isk farmers however exist only to generate isk, they do not require isk themselfs, they do not participate in the game, they add nothing to the game, they just farm isk that would otherwise not exist, and the fact they do it 23/7 is a form of labor compression, and labor compression creates inflation.
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Orias Fringe Enterprises
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.26 19:02:00 -
[54]
Originally by: For'Um Rantalt
Edited by: For''Um Rantalt on 26/09/2007 11:03:45
hi
there is a guy named chi.
he is from china.
now he does not have much education, because he was born into poverty.
but what he has is a family.
1 cute little girl named lucy.
as his job he farms isks on EvE. it does not pay very well but it is better than nothing.
BAM then oveur came along and said its over. its fully his right to do so. and the EvE community loves it.
but now little girl starves to death.
the end.
I killed chi's mom!
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Originally by: Royaldo
complete win by Cornucopian!
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Kruellagh
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Posted - 2007.09.26 19:09:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Sartaron
Originally by: Great Artista
Edited by: Great Artista on 26/09/2007 11:48:36
It wrecks ingame economy, thus ruins my gaming experience. Let her starve.
EDIT* Hmm, ofc I was being sarcastic. (Just making sure that no jumpy forum mod gets me banned )
How do they wreck ingame-economy?
Scumbag farmers mine veld or scord maybe pyro all day, these get refined into minerals(to sell, this money becomes ISK we see on ebay etc). Due to the huge amounts of minerals being dumped onto the market prices start to fall, the knock-on effect is that mods, ships pretty much anything with these minerals in it becomes worthless or next to. Suddenly we end up with a situation where:
1. Mining no longer becomes a fesable method of making money for legitimate miners.
2. More people will take up missioning, leading to more faction mods being placed on the market (since the players need money and have lots of spare LP's)reducing their cost. Now all mods are worthless.
Since nothing has any value anymore, the eve market would probably head into a period of stagflation and its economy would collapse. Its pretty far fetched but possible, its also possible that the player base would leave due to just plain old getting ****ed off at the macro'ers and ccp for not doing anything about it. When the player base goes, whos gonna pay for CCP to stay afloat?
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Sartaron
Amarr
Quantar Swords
SynchronizerZ
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Posted - 2007.09.27 06:30:00 -
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Its not the isk-sellers, macro-miners etc, that ruin the game. Its CCP's missing risk versus reward relation.
As long as you can rat, mine belts with almost no risk of losing something, there will always be ISK-Farmers.
And: Its not against the EULA. Everybody may mine as long as he wishes.
So, the existance of ISK-Farmers is solely based on "soft gamemechanics" which CCP has to keep up to satisfy [insert safety-based-playstyle here]-players
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Hank Jones
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.27 06:44:00 -
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Wont you please help the children?!?!
support my campain to have a new option to block Phrases!!!!
Block Options;
Block Phrase: (***.********.***)
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.09.27 06:47:00 -
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I've gotta feel sorry for these farmers. They simply don't understand that Western players are against them. In Asia, at least, RMT is a normal and accepted part of gaming. But for most Westerners it's verboten.
So I can totally see where this disconnect comes into play. To them, they're doing something totally normal and welcome among like-minded people. To the rest of the population, they're a cancer destroying the game.
Thus they have to wonder why they're hated so much for doing something perfectly normal among a very large portion of the gaming population, just not the Western MMOGs' populations. Hopefully someone will come forward and try to educate both sides about how the others see their roles. Otherwise nothing will change.
Just look at real world examples. In many parts of East Asia (among other parts of the globe), eating a dog is perfectly normal, but to most Westerners it's disgusting and inconceivable. Until we can understand why each side feels this way there will only be revulsion/misunderstanding over it.
I used to get It.
Then It changed.
Now I don't even know what It is.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.27 07:05:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Sartaron
Originally by: Great Artista
Edited by: Great Artista on 26/09/2007 11:48:36
It wrecks ingame economy, thus ruins my gaming experience. Let her starve.
EDIT* Hmm, ofc I was being sarcastic. (Just making sure that no jumpy forum mod gets me banned )
How do they wreck ingame-economy? By doing something everybody else could also do? The only difference between them and a player-farmer is, that their wealth is transferred to another player for RL-money. RL-money is not part of the system, so it has no effect.
So, its just the same as if you would wire your friend some ISK for no RL-reward.
Its CCPs crappy ISL-source to ISK-sink relation, that wrecks the ingame economy.
And (oh, no, I did not buy any ISK) I don't have any problem with ISK-sellers or ISK-buyers. Its all about enviousness.
PS: I want all want to have all players who have faster computer-hardware than me have their clients slowed down. Its unfair that they can spend more money on hardware than me and therefore have a better game-experience.
Ask the blokes who play Final Fantasy XI about gil sellers and farmers. Square went the same direction as CCP: they ignored the issue. It got so bad that normal players could not afford anything that wasn't trash, period, end of story. It wasn't until Square grew some balls and was willing to ***** down on the farmers and sellers that the economy normalized and people were able to afford things via normal methods.
The ISK sellers here aren't doing this just to eek out a living supplying a handful of people with ISK, they want to wreck the game so that everyone has to buy ISK from them, because that's the most profitable thing for them.
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Hank Jones
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.27 07:07:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Hank Jones on 27/09/2007 07:15:20
Originally by: F'nog
Just look at real world examples. In many parts of East Asia (among other parts of the globe), eating a dog is perfectly normal, but to most Westerners it's disgusting and inconceivable. Until we can understand why each side feels this way there will only be revulsion/misunderstanding over it.
I have Cattle, and pigs but i don't think of them as my Pets.
We think of our Dog and cats as members of the family in our household in other places they are needed food. (cows cost a lot for a food starved ppl)
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.27 07:26:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Sartaron
Originally by: Great Artista
Edited by: Great Artista on 26/09/2007 11:48:36
It wrecks ingame economy, thus ruins my gaming experience. Let her starve.
EDIT* Hmm, ofc I was being sarcastic. (Just making sure that no jumpy forum mod gets me banned )
How do they wreck ingame-economy? By doing something everybody else could also do? The only difference between them and a player-farmer is, that their wealth is transferred to another player for RL-money. RL-money is not part of the system, so it has no effect.
So, its just the same as if you would wire your friend some ISK for no RL-reward.
Its CCPs crappy ISL-source to ISK-sink relation, that wrecks the ingame economy.
And (oh, no, I did not buy any ISK) I don't have any problem with ISK-sellers or ISK-buyers. Its all about enviousness.
PS: I want all want to have all players who have faster computer-hardware than me have their clients slowed down. Its unfair that they can spend more money on hardware than me and therefore have a better game-experience.
Ask the blokes who play Final Fantasy XI about gil sellers and farmers. Square went the same direction as CCP: they ignored the issue. It got so bad that normal players could not afford anything that wasn't trash, period, end of story. It wasn't until Square grew some balls and was willing to ***** down on the farmers and sellers that the economy normalized and people were able to afford things via normal methods.
The ISK sellers here aren't doing this just to eek out a living supplying a handful of people with ISK, they want to wreck the game so that everyone has to buy ISK from them, because that's the most profitable thing for them.
/signed.
Buying ISK ruins the game.
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Grifanel Maeibae
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Posted - 2007.09.27 07:35:00 -
[62]
i just want people to show sympathy for those poor guys that have to farm isks to not die.
this is the same with the drug problem. is it some random guy in south america's fault or is it the society that is to be blamed.
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Lord Sidon
Amarr
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.09.27 07:52:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Grifanel Maeibae
i just want people to show sympathy for those poor guys that have to farm isks to not die.
this is the same with the drug problem. is it some random guy in south america's fault or is it the society that is to be blamed.
kill them all and let god sort it out
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The Fate
Caldari
Hammerfall Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:11:00 -
[64]
but why to hassle with eve and risking getting banned when you can go and hunt some wild animals from the forest?
And you can catch a fish, because in china there are lots of fishes! And you can also collect mushrooms and berries from the forest. So you and your children will not starve to death. That is impossible.
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Grifanel Maeibae
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:18:00 -
[65]
Originally by: The Fate
but why to hassle with eve and risking getting banned when you can go and hunt some wild animals from the forest?
And you can catch a fish, because in china there are lots of fishes! And you can also collect mushrooms and berries from the forest. So you and your children will not starve to death. That is impossible.
rivers have no fish because of overfishing and pollution.
and last time i check forest aer gone too for farmland and fuel.
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The Fate
Caldari
Hammerfall Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:22:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Grifanel Maeibae
rivers have no fish because of overfishing and pollution.
and last time i check forest aer gone too for farmland and fuel.
Have you ever tried to move to the country?
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Grifanel Maeibae
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:33:00 -
[67]
Originally by: The Fate
Originally by: Grifanel Maeibae
rivers have no fish because of overfishing and pollution.
and last time i check forest aer gone too for farmland and fuel.
Have you ever tried to move to the country?
i have been to every continent except antarctica and china is basically the worst place beside most of africa. so i know. and people who will go to beijing olympic will know too despite the constant attempt by the chinese goverment to pretty things up.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:49:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Hank Jones
Edited by: Hank Jones on 27/09/2007 07:15:20
Originally by: F'nog
Just look at real world examples. In many parts of East Asia (among other parts of the globe), eating a dog is perfectly normal, but to most Westerners it's disgusting and inconceivable. Until we can understand why each side feels this way there will only be revulsion/misunderstanding over it.
I have Cattle, and pigs but i don't think of them as my Pets.
We think of our Dog and cats as members of the family in our household in other places they are needed food. (cows cost a lot for a food starved ppl)
While that's true in many parts of the world it's not always true everywhere. In some parts of the world, even if you can afford a cow or pig, it's perfectly normal to eat a dog.
I, myself, as someone who holds most dogs in higher regard than many people, can understand needing to eat a dog for survival. But in other parts of the world it is normal to eat one even if survival isn't a matter. This is the sort of thing I'm getting at. We need to understand why this is so before we can argue against them.
This is the problem with ISK sellers. They don't understand that Westerners have a problem with the concept. While we see it as evil, they see it as normal. Just as many would see eating a dog when starvation is not the other option as disgusting.
It's a matter of culture. We don't understand the differences, just as others do not understand our hatred of their actions. Until we address this issue, no progress will be made in the problem.
I used to get It.
Then It changed.
Now I don't even know what It is.
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