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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.27 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Hudson What i don't understand is how you can wage war on 'terrorism'...it's a idea and you cant kill a idea aslong as someone is around to think about it.
P.S. I dont hate the us ffs im just asking.
That was brought up by a reporter at the start of this campaign. He said the war on terrorism is like chasing shadows in the dark.
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.27 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Jago Kain
Originally by: DarkMatter We don't target civilians, they specifically target civilians.
Erm... might this be a good time to bring up the subject of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
OK, it's a while back, but perhaps a citizen of the only country to ever use the Atomic Bomb against a largely civilian target (twice!!) shouldn't be so quick to forget.
Hiroshima's target was a major military installation in the middle of the city.
Nagasaki was a secondary target (munitions factory) when the primary objective was obscured by cloud cover. The surrounding mountains contained most of the blast. Also noted is that the japanese had already surrendered at that point but the message had gotten lost. If it had gotten to the right sources sooner Little Boy wouldn't have had to of been dropped.
You may want to include that Germany was gasing/burning Jews left n right during that time. ****'s loved their fire.
And while we're looking into the past England ordered the slaughter of thousands of hereitcs during the great crusade. The ones spared were enslaved and traded.
During Vietnam is US forces occupied a town/village the Viwtnamese army was ordered to wiped that town off the map. We didn't do much better when we napalmed huge areas of jungle.
dietrich, that is total and utter complete mindless drivel.
The Target Committee at Los Alamos on May 10û11, 1945, recommended Kyoto, Hiroshima, Yokohama, and the arsenal at Kokura as possible targets. The committee rejected the use of the weapon against a strictly military objective because of the chance of missing a small target not surrounded by a larger urban area. The psychological effects on Japan were of great importance to the committee members. They also agreed that the initial use of the weapon should be sufficiently spectacular for its importance to be internationally recognized. The committee felt Kyoto, as an intellectual center of Japan, had a population "better able to appreciate the significance of the weapon." Hiroshima was chosen because of its large size, its being "an important army depot" and the potential that the bomb would cause greater destruction because the city was surrounded by hills which would have a "focusing effect".
Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson struck Kyoto from the list because of its cultural significance, over the objections of General Leslie Groves, head of the Manhattan Project. According to Professor Edwin O. Reischauer, Stimson "had known and admired Kyoto ever since his honeymoon there several decades earlier." On July 25 General Carl Spaatz was ordered to bomb one of the targets: Hiroshima, Kokura, Niigata, or Nagasaki as soon after August 3 as weather permitted and the remaining cities as additional weapons became available.
This comes DIRECTLY from the declassified files on the target comittee. The civvie casualties were entirely 100% intentional. It was WW2 and everyone aws bombing cities for demoralization.
Heres the source:
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Originally by: Royaldo
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.09.27 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 27/09/2007 18:22:52
Originally by: Cornucopian
Heres the source:
target comittee
Good choice. Still killed less people than a typical firebombing raid.
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.27 18:27:00 -
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How is my comment total drivel? Honest question man, I'm trying to figure out where I bull****ted as my source seems to compare with your source.
History
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.09.27 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And while we're looking into the past England ordered the slaughter of thousands of hereitcs during the great crusade. The ones spared were enslaved and traded.
Do NOT get me started on past English abuses, especially of the Irish people. You'll have me ranting in short order.
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Sharupak
Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.27 18:35:00 -
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Complete 9/11 timeline
The whole thing would be a joke...like the keystone cops if it wasnt true.
Quote: "The CIA and FBI send a joint investigative team to Sudan to investigate whether that country is a sponsor of terrorism. Sudan again offers to hand over its voluminous files on al-Qaeda (see March 8, 1996-April 1996, April 5, 1997, and February 5, 1998), and the offer is again rejected. [Observer, 9/30/2001; Vanity Fair, 1/2002] The US will finally agree to see the files shortly before 9/11 (see July-August 2001).
Entity Tags: Central Intelligence Agency, Al-Qaeda, Sudan, Federal Bureau of Investigation
Category Tags: Counterterrorism Before 9/11, Hunt for Bin Laden
This of course happened on 3 different occasions and the Madaline albright rejected the information 3 times. Sudan was trying to work with the U.S. and get off of the terrorism list, but they didnt get of until after 9/11.
As far as al quaeda in the U.S. before 9/11. The mob makes them look really stupid. My god, my local sherrifs department could have rounded these people up if they were setting up charities in nowhereville where I grew up. Chief Wiggam would have put them away. Its a JOKE!!! _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude. |
Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.27 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And while we're looking into the past England ordered the slaughter of thousands of hereitcs during the great crusade. The ones spared were enslaved and traded.
Do NOT get me started on past English abuses, especially of the Irish people. You'll have me ranting in short order.
Yeah, there was that too.
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Cornucopian
Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.27 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich How is my comment total drivel? Honest question man, I'm trying to figure out where I bull****ted as my source seems to compare with your source.
History
the comment is drivel insofar as that you extemporize the abomb targets to be of military origion; they are plaintiffly NOT. They were intended to be civilian in nature to maximize the psychological effect on Japan and the world at large: we have a single bomb that wipes out a whole city, can anyone say WTFBBQPWN bomb? The fact that there were military installations was purely a bonus. furthermore every major city in the world during WW2 participation nations had dozens of military plants: everyone was using there economy for military purposes.
the rest of your post was true though :-) , just the part about the abombs being targeted for military purposes was BS. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.27 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich How is my comment total drivel? Honest question man, I'm trying to figure out where I bull****ted as my source seems to compare with your source.
History
the comment is drivel insofar as that you extemporize the abomb targets to be of military origion; they are plaintiffly NOT. They were intended to be civilian in nature to maximize the psychological effect on Japan and the world at large: we have a single bomb that wipes out a whole city, can anyone say WTFBBQPWN bomb? The fact that there were military installations was purely a bonus. furthermore every major city in the world during WW2 participation nations had dozens of military plants: everyone was using there economy for military purposes.
the rest of your post was true though :-) , just the part about the abombs being targeted for military purposes was BS.
Originally by: little boy The bomber's primary target was the city of Hiroshima, located on the deltas of southwestern Honshu Island facing the Inland Sea. Hiroshima had a civilian population of almost 300,000 and was an important military center, containing about 43,000 soldiers.
Originally by: little boy Forty-three seconds later, a huge explosion lit the morning sky as Little Boy detonated 1,900 feet above the city, directly over a parade field where soldiers of the Japanese Second Army were doing calisthenics.
Originally by: fat man At 3:47 a.m. on August 9, 1945, a B-29 named Bock's Car lifted off from Tinian and headed toward the primary target: Kokura Arsenal, a massive collection of war industries adjacent to the city of Kokura.
Originally by: fat man The weather had been reported satisfactory earlier in the day over Kokura Arsenal, but by the time the B-29 finally arrived there, the target was obscured by smoke and haze.
Originally by: fat man The hurriedly-targeted weapon ended up detonating almost exactly between two of the principal targets in the city, the Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works to the south, and the Mitsubishi-Urakami Torpedo Works (right) to the north. Had the bomb exploded farther south the residential and commercial heart of the city would have suffered much greater damage.
They were aimed at military installations. But in WW2 all factories were just converted from civilian to military. I mean seriously, why build a factory when you already have them. Our car factories in the states did the same thing and thus the G.P. vehicle was borned and later named Jeep.
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.27 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
They were aimed at military installations. But in WW2 all factories were just converted from civilian to military. I mean seriously, why build a factory when you already have them. Our car factories in the states did the same thing and thus the G.P. vehicle was borned and later named Jeep.
6. Status of Targets
A. Dr. Stearns described the work he had done on target selection. He has surveyed possible targets possessing the following qualification: (1) they be important targets in a large urban area of more than three miles in diameter, (2) they be capable of being damaged effectively by a blast, and (3) they are unlikely to be attacked by next August. Dr. Stearns had a list of five targets which the Air Force would be willing to reserve for our use unless unforeseen circumstances arise. These targets are:
(1) Kyoto - This target is an urban industrial area with a population of 1,000,000. It is the former capital of Japan and many people and industries are now being moved there as other areas are being destroyed. From the psychological point of view there is the advantage that Kyoto is an intellectual center for Japan and the people there are more apt to appreciate the significance of such a weapon as the gadget. (Classified as an AA Target)
(2) Hiroshima - This is an important army depot and port of embarkation in the middle of an urban industrial area. It is a good radar target and it is such a size that a large part of the city could be extensively damaged. There are adjacent hills which are likely to produce a focussing effect which would considerably increase the blast damage. Due to rivers it is not a good incendiary target. (Classified as an AA Target)
(3) Yokohama - This target is an important urban industrial area which has so far been untouched. Industrial activities include aircraft manufacture, machine tools, docks, electrical equipment and oil refineries. As the damage to Tokyo has increased additional industries have moved to Yokohama. It has the disadvantage of the most important target areas being separated by a large body of water and of being in the heaviest anti-aircraft concentration in Japan. For us it has the advantage as an alternate target for use in case of bad weather of being rather far removed from the other targets considered. (Classified as an A Target)
(4) Kokura Arsenal - This is one of the largest arsenals in Japan and is surrounded by urban industrial structures. The arsenal is important for light ordnance, anti-aircraft and beach head defense materials. The dimensions of the arsenal are 4100' x 2000'. The dimensions are such that if the bomb were properly placed full advantage could be taken of the higher pressures immediately underneath the bomb for destroying the more solid structures and at the same time considerable blast damage could be done to more feeble structures further away. (Classified as an A Target)
(5) Niigata - This is a port of embarkation on the N.W. coast of Honshu. Its importance is increasing as other ports are damaged. Machine tool industries are located there and it is a potential center for industrial despersion. It has oil refineries and storage. (Classified as a B Target)
(6) The possibility of bombing the Emperor's palace was discussed. It was agreed that we should not recommend it but that any action for this bombing should come from authorities on military policy. It was agreed that we should obtain information from which we could determine the effectiveness of our weapon against this target.
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Originally by: Royaldo
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Cornucopian
Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.27 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Cornucopian on 27/09/2007 19:11:42 Edited by: Cornucopian on 27/09/2007 19:09:36 7. Psychological Factors in Target Selection
A. It was agreed that psychological factors in the target selection were of great importance. Two aspects of this are (1) obtaining the greatest psychological effect against Japan and (2) making the initial use sufficiently spectacular for the importance of the weapon to be internationally recognized when publicity on it is released.
B. In this respect Kyoto has the advantage of the people being more highly intelligent and hence better able to appreciate the significance of the weapon. Hiroshima has the advantage of being such a size and with possible focussing from nearby mountains that a large fraction of the city may be destroyed. The Emperor's palace in Tokyo has a greater fame than any other target but is of least strategic value.
8. Use Against "Military" Objectives
A. It was agreed that for the initial use of the weapon any small and strictly military objective should be located in a much larger area subject to blast damage in order to avoid undue risks of the weapon being lost due to bad placing of the bomb.
This doesnt look the least bit like using it against military targets was the aim of the game.
Kyoto and Hirosh are qualified as AA targets because they would have the most civilian and psychological damage. I mean, come ON man.
read the number ONE target criteria: a large urban area.
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Originally by: Royaldo
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Sharupak
Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.27 19:43:00 -
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Wow, good find cornicopian.
We actually did far more destruction by relentlessly firebombing Japanese cities with B-29s for several years before the a-bomb. We knew most Japanese homes were made out of paper. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude. |
Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.27 19:45:00 -
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And his list of objectives were all military targets. Your information is saying the same thing and I don't see why your debating it so badly.
Kyoto was ruled out for the intellectualness and lack of military factories.
Yokohama had a chance of losing the bomb over the ocean had we misdropped.
The emperor's palace was later denied partially for historical value (to which I'm surprised they thought of that at the time and I'm glad)
And #8 specifically states 'Use against 'military' objectives.' also stating that these weapons shouldn't be used against small targets such as a simple airfield or camp. Essentially they wanted the most bang for their buck.
In 2 bombs we effectively put their factory power to a standstill and in the same process nearly wiped out 2 cities to, as you say, show the might of the weapon.
But again they got the clue the first time and had already sent in a signal of surrender but it didn't arrive in time to stop Bomb #2.
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Posted - 2007.09.27 19:54:00 -
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There was a documentary a while back, Ill see if I can find it, detailing some of the suicide bombers stuff.
Seemed to be indicated that a large number of them wernt even that devoutly religious, up till someone blew up part/all of their family, so they just went nuts and blew themselves up.
We have to consider the reality, that we are blowing up kids, women, civilians, etc.
This whole Iraq business comes down to maintaining the energy guzzling American lifestyle, the democratizing is just a method of insuring stability. Say tin hat or whatever.
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Cornucopian
Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.27 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich your last post
dude....
target criteria:
He has surveyed possible targets possessing the following qualification: (1) they be important targets in a large urban area of more than three miles in diameter, (2) they be capable of being damaged effectively by a blast, and (3) they are unlikely to be attacked by next August. Dr. Stearns had a list of five targets which the Air Force would be willing to reserve for our use unless unforeseen circumstances arise.
number 8 has military in brackets for a reason. Read between the lines here man.
hirosh:
This is an important army depot and port of embarkation in the middle of an urban industrial area. It is a good radar target and it is such a size that a large part of the city could be extensively damaged. There are adjacent hills which are likely to produce a focussing effect which would considerably increase the blast damage.
Psych factors:
A. It was agreed that psychological factors in the target selection were of great importance. (this is obviously corroborated in the obvious number ONE criteria for targeting) Two aspects of this are (1) obtaining the greatest psychological effect against Japan and (2) making the initial use sufficiently spectacular for the importance of the weapon to be internationally recognized when publicity on it is released.
Kyoto wasnt struck for lack of industry:
Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson struck Kyoto from the list because of its cultural significance, over the objections of General Leslie Groves, head of the Manhattan Project. According to Professor Edwin O. Reischauer, Stimson "had known and admired Kyoto ever since his honeymoon there several decades earlier." On July 25 General Carl Spaatz was ordered to bomb one of the targets: Hiroshima, Kokura, Niigata, or Nagasaki as soon after August 3 as weather permitted and the remaining cities as additional weapons became available
source: read paragraph 2 specifically
reasoning for the bomb:
In early July, on his way to Potsdam, Truman had re-examined the decision to use the bomb. In the end, Truman made the decision to drop the atomic bombs on Japan. His stated intention in ordering the bombings was to bring about a quick resolution of the war by inflicting destruction, and instilling fear of further destruction, that was sufficient to cause Japan to surrender.
ergo: not because the bombs were good at blowing up factories.
The reason for bombing locales was without doubt meant and intended for maximum civilian casualties.
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Originally by: Royaldo
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.27 20:39:00 -
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I give up. I haven't even got a clue why this debate, which is way off topic, is even happening. We're both pointing out the exact same things but looking at it from 2 different angles.
I know my WW2 history, it's the only war I've ever studied deeply. I've got a bookshelf of information on it, I've got an entire dvd rack of documentary upon documentary about it.
You keep showing me the same facts and I see that they were chosen for military value and as you say, shock factor. If you had a nuke wouldn't you want a big target? It'd be a waste to drop this massive thing on one little airfield on a island.
But whatever. Like I said, I don't even understand this debate. Think I'll take off for a little while and find something else to do in my little chamber of isolation.
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.27 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I give up. I haven't even got a clue why this debate, which is way off topic, is even happening. We're both pointing out the exact same things but looking at it from 2 different angles.
I know my WW2 history, it's the only war I've ever studied deeply. I've got a bookshelf of information on it, I've got an entire dvd rack of documentary upon documentary about it.
You keep showing me the same facts and I see that they were chosen for military value and as you say, shock factor. If you had a nuke wouldn't you want a big target? It'd be a waste to drop this massive thing on one little airfield on a island.
But whatever. Like I said, I don't even understand this debate. Think I'll take off for a little while and find something else to do in my little chamber of isolation.
nah mate you're stuck in there and Im here with you. forget about it: we obviously see it both from different angles, as you say. forums arent for swaying people to your opinions. we still have fun though. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.27 21:18:00 -
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Quote: forums arent for swaying people to your opinions
Oh God, I've wasted my life...
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Cornucopian
Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.27 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: forums arent for swaying people to your opinions
Oh God, I've wasted my life...
MUAHAHAHAHA! go back to your CIA and tell them that Europe will not be swayed by your cunning lingo!!! MUAHAHAHAHA
this was a joke of course. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.09.27 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I give up. I haven't even got a clue
QFFT. I'll let you get what the extra F is for.
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.27 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 27/09/2007 22:05:30
Originally by: Deroviusnes Raden
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I give up. I haven't even got a clue
QFFT. I'll let you get what the extra F is for.
Your witty . While you think of other awesome comebacks we'll continue our quite civilized conversation.
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Posted - 2007.09.27 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 27/09/2007 22:05:30
Originally by: Deroviusnes Raden
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I give up. I haven't even got a clue
QFFT. I'll let you get what the extra F is for.
Your witty . While you think of other awesome comebacks we'll continue our quite civilized conversation.
Great, now that he's lost the philosphical battle over whether or not the US murdered women and children intentionally, both now and in its recent past, he's resorting to emo text colouring.
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.27 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 27/09/2007 22:05:30
Originally by: Deroviusnes Raden
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I give up. I haven't even got a clue
QFFT. I'll let you get what the extra F is for.
Your witty . While you think of other awesome comebacks we'll continue our quite civilized conversation.
Great, now that he's lost the philosphical battle over whether or not the US murdered women and children intentionally, both now and in its recent past, he's resorting to emo text colouring.
Get your eyes checked boy, we were talking about the actual placement of an atomic weapon. And I would like to see where I debated it currently and in the past.
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Locus Bey
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Posted - 2007.09.28 00:20:00 -
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The US doesn't directly target civilians? What do you call all the reprisal attacks of recent months? Shock and Awe bombing is not directly targeting civilians? Uranium tipped missiles that kill long after the bombing stops? Ballsing up of rebuilding efforts which results in countless Iraqi civilian deaths from disease and injury?
If this was a war on extremism the US would be targeting the Wahhabi Islamicists of Saudi Arabia or extremism in Pakistan. However that is not where its attention is, is it? Having supplied Iraq with chemical weapons and arms for years, it was now time to rid Iraq of ****** to secure future oil supply. He had served his purpose. The US supplied the same 'terrorists' it is now fighting in Afghanistan as it wanted to secure the pipelines from its neighbouring countries. Anyone see a pattern here? Anyone see that the target is not extremist Islam but oil and US strategical iinterests? Anyone wonder the boogey man of Al Qaida is just a US propoganda tool for tarring everyone with the same brush so it is easily digested by the American public?
And if you want to talk extremist religion look no further than the US backyard. Do you really think that Fundamentalist Christianity has nothing to do with Government policy in the ME and Israel? Do you think bombing of abortion clinics, designating a great Satan, preserving Jerusalem for the Israelis in the hope of bringing on a war there, is not extremist thinking? Personally I can't see the difference in extremist Islam and Christianity.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.28 01:38:00 -
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Quote: Personally I can't see the difference in extremist Islam and Christianity.
That's because you're an idiot...
Shock and awe were attacks launched against the Iraqi military, not civilians... Wake up dude...
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Locus Bey
Gallente Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.09.28 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: Personally I can't see the difference in extremist Islam and Christianity.
That's because you're an idiot...
Shock and awe were attacks launched against the Iraqi military, not civilians... Wake up dude...
You didn't address the extremity of Fundamentalist Christianity layed out by me and how in any way it differs from extremist Islam.
You didn't address retaliation shootings by the US army.
You didn't address the hypocrisy of tarring all enemies as extremists. You didn't address being in league with terrorists.
What did you address?
Against the Iraqi military? So that accounts for the amount of civilian deaths does it?
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Captain Hudson
Caldari Intergalactic Space Defense Force
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Posted - 2007.09.28 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Hudson on 28/09/2007 01:51:44
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And while we're looking into the past England ordered the slaughter of thousands of hereitcs during the great crusade. The ones spared were enslaved and traded.
As you americans would say...Its war **** happens!
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DarkMatter
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Posted - 2007.09.28 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 28/09/2007 02:03:42
Quote: Against the Iraqi military? So that accounts for the amount of civilian deaths does it?
You're convinced the USA went into Iraq to kill civillians.
If that's what you WANT to believe, fine.
You can be wrong if you want. There is no point in me arguing with you.
Suicide bombers & sectarian violence account for most of the civillian deaths. If want to believe our soldiers are over there using Iraqi civillians as target practice, so bit it. You can think whatever the **** you want...
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Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.28 02:33:00 -
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A story from the USSR: One night there came a knock at my door. I opened it and 2 men stood there and one asked. " are you Ruslan Zaitzev?" to which I responded, " no he lives 2 doors down". I then showed the men my papers and they left. ----- signature |
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Posted - 2007.09.28 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Thorliaron on 28/09/2007 02:49:40 is fox a republican channel? becuase this is a joke and lol
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