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Blacklight	Posted - 2004.02.17 17:32:00 - [31] I used to play a game called Mankind before Eve came out, in that game it was even worse than Eve for providing real 'proof' of 'wrongdoing' by people transgressing against your corp or alliance. The situation is even murkier when people roleplay this almost galactic norm for good behaviour reflecting a good/bad or light/dark polarised environment, which in Eve's case is everyone else vs the 'pirates'. The it becomes a matter for roleplay, forum smear campaigns, sabre rattling etc.. when someone from one side of the dark/light divide cooperates with someone from the other side. In the end I think most of the influential teams within the game accepted that this was the case and we moved forward with a kind of 'probable cause' model for conflict. Put simply if you think you've enough evidence to believe something then believe it, regardless of your opponent's protestations. In addition to that statement of course you have to consider the might makes right issue i.e. whether you believe your information to be correct or not is a moot point unless you can do something about it. Roleplay can be a wonderful thing in games like this, have fun everyone involved in this latest 'scandal'!! Eve Blacklight Style
Zenst	Posted - 2004.02.17 17:36:00 - [32] Quote: Quote: if you collaborate with pirates, you're a pirate yourself.... i hate people who think that way I find poeople who stuff rose's up there noses and go lalalala annoying Paying a pirate a bung not to kill you is one thing, setting up shop/supplying in and other lucrative favours a tadge over the line. Having fought techell and M0o with them alongside each other was, well hardly supprising. Sure we'll hear how illegal drugs got into the Techell HQ air system soon
Masi	Posted - 2004.02.17 17:44:00 - [33] TBH who gives a ****? Maybe Techell does not like PVP and are happy to mine. If they can afford to pay m0o off to leave them be, protect or capture a station for them why not? Everyone seems to be postings other corps business /me Yawnz -------------------------
Moses Alticpoco	Posted - 2004.02.17 17:53:00 - [34] The point is what happens when a miner goes too or near this station are Moo gonna attack you and techell just sit there and watch? Also is it just 1.5billion moo get perhaps reduced prices on their battleships. Bad news for all Anti Pirate Corporations and bad news for us all. Moses Is in the Promised Land Of EVE :)
pooti	Posted - 2004.02.17 17:57:00 - [35] Quote: it is common knowledge among known pirates that techell sells them battleships around 1 mil over production costs with webmaster himself delivering them sometimes HEY THANKS FOR TELLING ME GUYS
StoreSlem	Posted - 2004.02.17 18:17:00 - [36] Quote: Quote: it is common knowledge among known pirates that techell sells them battleships around 1 mil over production costs with webmaster himself delivering them sometimes HEY THANKS FOR TELLING ME GUYS haha nice one
Cardassius	Posted - 2004.02.17 18:44:00 - [37] funny that you all go fight for systems that only have ****ty ores ;) ASCI Recruiting!
MSteuer	Posted - 2004.02.17 18:46:00 - [38] its also not a huge surprise that techell payed of m00 to attack FA space.
pooti	Posted - 2004.02.17 18:50:00 - [39] Quote: its also not a huge surprise that techell payed of m00 to attack FA space. Yeah, but they only did it because the devs forced them to.
Stavros	Posted - 2004.02.17 18:58:00 - [40] Quote: The point is what happens when a miner goes too or near this station are Moo gonna attack you and techell just sit there and watch? Also is it just 1.5billion moo get perhaps reduced prices on their battleships. Bad news for all Anti Pirate Corporations and bad news for us all. lol your just p/o cos you tried to stand against us and kinda died. We aren't pirates we are business men, we are in the business of real estate. -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Detaitiv	Posted - 2004.02.17 19:10:00 - [41] I just think it'll be great fun to see moo playing defence for a change. We'll take notes as we seem to have a thing or two to learn.
blaharific	Posted - 2004.02.17 19:13:00 - [42] Edited by: blaharific on 17/02/2004 19:36:10 Quote: Quote: it is common knowledge among known pirates that techell sells them battleships around 1 mil over production costs with webmaster himself delivering them sometimes HEY THANKS FOR TELLING ME GUYS in reply ... i quote Stavros: Quote: Tbh m0o aren't pirates, we are just a universe wide alliance that likes to enforce our terrortorial regulations. Stupid statement? Yes.... Anymore stupid than any of the other dumb ass alliances in eve, no... Go figure... So are you saying you are pirates?
Teelmaster	Posted - 2004.02.17 19:48:00 - [43] Hrrrm i think he is saying your are a nub in a noob corp so no one cares what you think. And once again people are just jealous b/c m0o is ahead and have become to primary real estate agents of the game. NO YOU CAN NOT HAVE MY RED BLAZER!!!!
Datsevlu	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:00:00 - [44] ok io thought best i replyed to this one as i didnt reply to the other one there will be lots of off topic things in here but mybe it will answer a few questions or speculations just wanted to say before i do that this is a game and all the ***ing is very amusing some ppl just dont have anything to do but *** i would put it down to jelousy or what ever i will say if u spent the same about of time in game or worrying about your own game and not what everyone else is doing you might get somwhere ok here we go 1st yes i have another alt called webmaster it is no real secret (if you didnt know its because ive never told you but then again i have 5 accounts im sure you dont know all my alts as sometimes its nice playing other char so you are not convoed all the time) im sure many will agree on that 2nd yes i suply anyone who brings me loads of zyd (as im all sure you know there is or was a shortage of it) good deals on bs ships Being nutral is being neutral to all including so called pirates as if i was hostile to a pirate i wouldnt be nutral 3rd my char web can just about fly a megathron let alone anything else so i dobt he delivers ships but i have been know to pic up minerals from ppl all over including in 0.0 space (sorry im delivring a ship is to keep ppl of my back for 5 mins a bit like afk going for a smoke) 4th m0o was not paid to take a space station for us or a region we was offered it buy m0o as part of a buisness deal as it we pay for it the only real ppl who will be efected are our supliers of mega and zyd as before all was bought from non core memebrs these ppl was getting rich (so they might be clased as pirats) im sure any deal has risks involved dosnt matter who the deal is with as the station was m0o owed we had to attack it to take it over im sure i dont have to get into that part moo helping us take down the shields was done in conjuction set buy the deal so also getting the shields back up (not that the did in the end)would have been part of the original deal Core Domination of how ever its spelt just got there as we took it over and tried to take ith themselves (thus a act of piracy in its own right it was just unfortunate for them m0o happen to be around the had a good fight running away or staying 400km+ from us as the pic shows) personally i dont see how paying for 2 stations from anyone is counted as helping pirates as i was offered 2 stations the same day of non pirate corps just they wanted more isk it is not protection isk or what ever u want to call it just a buisness deal but i do know of one pirates dirty trick you should think of and thats putting an alt in a corp then slagging them off also suprised at BSC comment as ive spoken to BSC to suply us minerals so maybe if they do they are pirates too i think some of you just take some things a little to serious i think some of you should get out more too much gamming is messing with the nurons sorry for my bad spelling im sure my point has come accross if anyone want to talk to me about it then sure convo me sorry get to many evemails to keep up with it EVE ONLINE is a game Games are made to have fun so play this game and have fun -- Datsevlu Blow'em up we'll build more. Techell's ingame site
jigga	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:01:00 - [45] Well, look who moved into the neighbourhood. We'll send a welcoming party soon! Too much money concentrated too closely, it's gonna be wild!
Datsevlu	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:08:00 - [46] Quote: Well, look who moved into the neighbourhood. We'll send a welcoming party soon! Too much money concentrated too closely, it's gonna be wild! i thought you want a pirate group sounds like a pirate act oh and just something i forgot why the hell would we pay any so caled pirate group to attack FA we did have frinds there i think its more to do with propoganda done buy a 2 corps the have merged to try and kill of our rep so that they can sell more ships -- Datsevlu Blow'em up we'll build more. Techell's ingame site
Teelmaster	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:16:00 - [47] So does that mean FA has revoked their order not to engage m0o ships? If true, please bring some t2 goodies down, i want some good loot when your ships explode :) Oh and please no more than 3 warp core stabs....your friends in core domination aren't making any favorable impressions.
blaharific	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:23:00 - [48] Edited by: blaharific on 17/02/2004 20:29:10 Datsevlu: Techell likes people who blow up ships, it is common sense and good for business. And I agree with the fact that if there were more pirates, i would sell a lot more ships and make a lot more ISK. However, I take offense at ths following quote: Quote: i think some of you just take some things a little to serious i think some of you should get out more too much gamming is messing with the nurons sorry for my bad spelling im sure my point has come accross if anyone want to talk to me about it then sure convo me sorry get to many evemails to keep up with it EVE ONLINE is a game Games are made to have fun so play this game and have fun I think it is YOU that take this game a little too serious. YES, we are trying to damage your corporation. We are trying to bring it to its knees and make it beg for mommy like the little child that it is. You have loads of ISK, blueprints coming out of your rear end and agreements with who knows who. Yet you continue to act like saints when someone comes on the forums and even suggests that you are in league with pirates. Dave Gorman is not saying that you shouldn't be in league with pirates, he is exposing the truth of what you say. You say you do not support piracy.. but in reality it is you that are financing them (pirate corporations). This is the problem that Dave and I especially have with your corporation. And for this you must die! Your corporation must be burnt to the ground. I take my stand now against Techell, and I believe others will follow. Is it not part of this game to compete with other corporations? Is this not what we are doing? But instead of a straight out battle with battleships (be serious now ... cruisers aren't used that much), we are waging a propaganda war, using your screw ups as material to damage you financially while we prosper. My name is blaharific, and I am going to take your corp down, one piece at a time.
Lord Zap	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:31:00 - [49] Techell made a sound business decision. Thats all.
Datsevlu	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:33:00 - [50] so basically u r agreeing what i said so maybe its time we made an aliance with all piraratye corps so atleast we will be doing what you are accusing of us of doing dont forget ppl buy ships due to lowest prices not who they buy it off at the end of the day you can say what u want it dont really bother me there is no love lost in buisness thats in rl i see eve has or is going that way if this is how u have fun then so be it im pritty sure i wont loose any sleep over it and if u resent what i said all i can say is i have proven a point im not intersted in a slagging match but go ahead if u want too it takes two to argue or to fight but u r more of a man if u walk away from one then start one -- Datsevlu Blow'em up we'll build more. Techell's ingame site
jigga	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:35:00 - [51] Quote: Quote: Well, look who moved into the neighbourhood. We'll send a welcoming party soon! Too much money concentrated too closely, it's gonna be wild! i thought you want a pirate group sounds like a pirate act Being a good neighbour is an act of piracy? We don't want pirate groups either. Never have and never will. Quote: i think its more to do with propoganda done buy a 2 corps the have merged to try and kill of our rep so that they can sell more ships You lost me here.
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:45:00 - [52] I liked it when Techell had ** (naked ladies incase ** gets censored) on their website.
Nephlite	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:48:00 - [53] Edited by: Nephlite on 17/02/2004 20:55:44 z
Osken	Posted - 2004.02.17 20:51:00 - [54] Quote: but then again i have 5 accounts And we take it too seriously? Quote: i think some of you just take some things a little to serious i think some of you should get out more too much gamming is messing with the nurons Sorry how many accounts was it 1? 2? no 5!
Datsevlu	Posted - 2004.02.17 21:00:00 - [55] first of all many ppl want that ingma space bordom site ill get a nez one up for you (had a few problems with hoting company about it :p) i have suplied many FA members with ships at cost i wont say thier names as im not a grass but they did suply me with zyd so refering to my other post about good mineral supliers same rules applies i see it was said about FA charging for mining /hunting/ fly through pass and ppl metioning it as a form of piracy i do belive if the list is still there that webmaster is on the KOS list for not paying it said this but im sure it will be taken off now i dont remember the url to this list but i have seen it and know webmaster is on it i think at the end of the day what ever anyone does to anyones reputation it will be the end buyer who really decides and if he has seen these posts or not it will be him/her who sill decide there is anther saying put a rat in a corner and he will fight his way out the one who says nothing is normally the inocent party -- Datsevlu Blow'em up we'll build more. Techell's ingame site
Datsevlu	Posted - 2004.02.17 21:02:00 - [56] 3 accounts was my own 2 was recently given to me due to 2 ppl who was a couple had to leave i didnt want them to but rl was more inportant i said i would look after them incase they decided to come back i was flattered in the trust they show to me considerenig they had been in the corp 2 weeks max also im sure im not the onlyone with lets say more then 3 accounts -- Datsevlu Blow'em up we'll build more. Techell's ingame site
blaharific	Posted - 2004.02.17 21:03:00 - [57] Datsevlu: I do not resent anything you have said at all. I know that you feel strongly about your corporation and see nothing wrong with your or its actions. I too feel strongly about my principles and my honor. I believe that the people who purchase ships based on price alone have a lot to lose. I would gladly pay 1 or 2 mil more than the cheapest price of a ship based on its location. However, that may just be my thinking alone now that I now build every ship that I need myself. Quote: it takes two to argue or to fight but u r more of a man if u walk away from one then start one I am sorry if you took my words as an attempt to argue as there is no need for this. I am however TELLING you that there is a war waging that you are possibly blind to. And sir, for your sake I hope you are not.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.02.17 21:15:00 - [58] We took the stations, that makes them ours, we sold them and we will leave the area when it is clear of hostiles, if needed we will pay those a visit who activly go to our protective space to cause havoc, it was shown few weeks back that we can and do cause havoc our selfs against those who we dont like. Atm we dont dislike anyone, but that can change very fast since we are looking for a new fight *Spawn of the Devil*
Toulak	Posted - 2004.02.17 21:17:00 - [59] Quote: Core Domination of how ever its spelt just got there as we took it over and tried to take ith themselves (thus a act of piracy in its own right How is it an act of piracy, since when is it officially 100% yours (The station).
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.02.17 21:56:00 - [60] I do not think any less of techell for this. After all when you run across m0o you know what's going to happen. m0o have a reputation for being people that can use guns, and techell is a corp that wants to make money, so techell uses m0o guns to get techell a station that techell can use to make money. It's not like either corp is hiding anything, that's what their corps do, why would anyone find this shocking or appalling. Neither corp being sneaky about it so whoopee doo. Lets see Techell is trying to make money and m0o is wanting to shoot their guns... sounds like business as usual to me, no point in crying about it. liquor stores would sell booze to 5 year olds to if there wasn't a law against it, and there's no law against techell doing business with whoever they want.

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