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Kadrush	Posted - 2007.09.30 12:28:00 - [1] I was thinking...(yeah it is a miracle) When you are ratting or running mission everytime you need to fire on a new target you need to press each gun shotcut, one by one. When you have like...30 rats over you, this is simply boring. Can the devs demi-gods plz create a "fire all weapons" button? Likem you right click on one of your weapons and on the menu apear a button like "fire all weapons on the choosen target". Simple and effective. Please Please Please
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.30 12:30:00 - [2] Logitech G15, problem solved. Originally by: Roy Batty68 My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.09.30 12:31:00 - [3] wtf?
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.30 12:33:00 - [4] Alright, I'll break it down for you: 1: Buy Logitech G15 ketboard 2: Program hotkeys to activate all weapons 3: Marvel at the fact that the usual blank spot in such a list is not left blank 4: Profit Originally by: Roy Batty68 My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.09.30 12:35:00 - [5] Edited by: Kadrush on 30/09/2007 12:36:19 Is it expensive? By the way...why everyone has to buy a new keyboard when ccp could simply add a new button to right click menu?
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.30 12:39:00 - [6] Not as expensive as it used to be, but depending on where you live, it may be more than you're used to spending on a keyboard. It is really handy, though. For example, the beta of Ventrilo supports the lcd display so you can see who's talking without installing overlays and such. As for making a new button, sure but where would you put it. The interface is already cluttered as hell as soon as you try to do anything. Originally by: Roy Batty68 My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
Contralto Gallente Argolighthands Galactic Emporium	Posted - 2007.09.30 12:41:00 - [7] Costs a bunch but the logitech G15 can easily do this and is very flexible, I have 5 "G" keys set up for the following (There are 56 available) F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 and the last one for a F1-F8 broadside. others are assigned increase, decrease velocity, AP toggle, AB toggle etc etc. it is possible to set delays between keystrokes, so F1-F8 can have a 2 second delay if using missiles, or you dont want all guns to run out of ammo together. more complex sequences are possible, like the align for warp, engage MWD, cloak, uncloak warp to 0. but these need a lot of practise and some manual mouse input.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.09.30 12:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Kadrush Edited by: Kadrush on 30/09/2007 12:36:19 Is it expensive? By the way...why everyone has to buy a new keyboard when ccp could simply add a new button to right click menu? I have heard there is something called search engines on the internetz, its serious business. - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Sgt Blade An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.30 13:17:00 - [9] you can also buy a razer copperhead mouse and you can program in hotkeys which is a nice touch. Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2007.09.30 13:34:00 - [10] Why do you press each shortcut one-by-one? You have 8 fingers, press them all at once.

Trovarion Gallente Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.30 13:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Shiner BockBeer Why do you press each shortcut one-by-one? You have 8 fingers, press them all at once. I must be some sort of freak having 10 fingers Custom made EVE Sigs and Graphics
Kimiko Kurosawa The Krugerrand Groupies	Posted - 2007.09.30 14:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Trovarion Originally by: Shiner BockBeer Why do you press each shortcut one-by-one? You have 8 fingers, press them all at once. I must be some sort of freak having 10 fingers Do you have webbed feet too? Also: OP is a lazy arse
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 14:12:00 - [13] Actually, i'd wish they'd make things even more difficult I hate that controlling a ship, diplomatic relations etc in this game is basically..."warp in f1-f8 let's see" My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Fara'a Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.09.30 14:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Actually, i'd wish they'd make things even more difficult I hate that controlling a ship, diplomatic relations etc in this game is basically..."warp in f1-f8 let's see" now what f*king game have you been playing? "Those that care not for the sting of the Scorpion are either reckless or stupid. And usually dead."*
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 14:20:00 - [15] Originally by: Fara'a Originally by: Sheriff Jones Actually, i'd wish they'd make things even more difficult I hate that controlling a ship, diplomatic relations etc in this game is basically..."warp in f1-f8 let's see" now what f*king game have you been playing? The word basically means just that. Yes, there are tactics etc etc etc etc....goes on for about half an hour about tactics, mods, ship thingies, doodaas and bubble stabilizers...but STILL, i wish firing weapons and warfare in general would require more work then..."umm....press that button." My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.*
Fara'a Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.09.30 14:28:00 - [16] well what it takes to fire a weapon from, say, tank? load, aim, fire.. it's same in everything that can fire a bullet, more or less.. the heck you want? all those nice little things computer calculates for you? imagine how long would a fight take.. 'warps in, sees a target, calculates the distance, target velocity, direction it moves, loads ammo in guns, 1 to 5, calculates the guns tracking speed/target velocity, signature radius. fires gun 1. repeat all above. fire gun 2... get my drift? "Those that care not for the sting of the Scorpion are either reckless or stupid. And usually dead."
Contralto Gallente Department Of Health and Social Security	Posted - 2007.09.30 14:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Yes, there are tactics etc etc etc etc....goes on for about half an hour about tactics, mods, ship thingies, doodaas and bubble stabilizers...but STILL, i wish firing weapons and warfare in general would require more work then..."umm....press that button." I think your going the wrong direction, I am sure in the 333 century or whatever, the Captain/pilot would just "think" shoot that rat with guns 2 thro 4 and it would be done by the ships Ai. And failing that, I believe that the backstory has thousands of crew at your beck and call to push the buttons. Your finger would be overloaded if you had to actually fly the ship manually, solo. Think a present day carrier captain doing everything solo
Xonkra Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.30 14:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Trovarion Originally by: Shiner BockBeer Why do you press each shortcut one-by-one? You have 8 fingers, press them all at once. I must be some sort of freak having 10 fingers 8fingers and 2thumbs Originally by: Illyria Ambri No matter how you want to say it.. it always sounds like frog clearing throat "Ve zurrendur, dunt schuut"
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2007.09.30 14:45:00 - [19] Edited by: Shiner BockBeer on 30/09/2007 14:45:47 Originally by: Xonkra Originally by: Trovarion Originally by: Shiner BockBeer Why do you press each shortcut one-by-one? You have 8 fingers, press them all at once. I must be some sort of freak having 10 fingers 8fingers and 2thumbs Exactly. And I wouldn't recommend mashing F1-F10 in the middle of a fight anyway.
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2007.09.30 14:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Kimiko Kurosawa Do you have webbed feet too? I really don't want to know.

Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 15:07:00 - [21] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/09/2007 15:11:01 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/09/2007 15:07:39 Originally by: Fara'a well what it takes to fire a weapon from, say, tank? load, aim, fire.. it's same in everything that can fire a bullet, more or less.. the heck you want? all those nice little things computer calculates for you? imagine how long would a fight take.. 'warps in, sees a target, calculates the distance, target velocity, direction it moves, loads ammo in guns, 1 to 5, calculates the guns tracking speed/target velocity, signature radius. fires gun 1. repeat all above. fire gun 2... get my drift? I meant battle(and diplomacy, etc) as a whole, not just the "fire weapons" bit. It's so...game'ish(yeah yeah, it's a game) that it has really little immersion. Really hard to explain what i mean by "i want a more complicated system in place", but basically i think it's about...well...it doesn't require much "thought" to fly a ship Yes yes, you can rabble all you want about "Well you haven't pvp'd" or "you noob know nothing of real battle!" etc etc...but the fact is, piloting a ship in EVE is, the largest part, yet the most simple part. And i KNOW it's not possible 'cause it would cause a whine fest the size of a tirefire in texas, and it would change all this and that, but still...some "brains" would be nice. Or actual piloting skill needs. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Shurikane	Posted - 2007.09.30 15:18:00 - [22] Hitting F1 through F8 in quick succession is not a very hard thing to do.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.30 15:21:00 - [23] failed on account of rain 1987.08.31 00:29:09 Combat Your Smooth Criminal perfectly strikes Annie, wrecking for A Crescendo.
Kyrall Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.30 15:37:00 - [24] I have a G15 keyboard, works great but is pretty costly just to save that little bit of effort. Worth it for all it's features though. I tend to follow threads about this sort of topic, and I have read before that there are ways to map lots of commands to one key with a lesser keyboard, I haven't looked myself as I have no need but I'm sure it can't be that hard to find. Off-topic: Tortun Nahme, is your first name meant to read as "nutrot" backwards? I noticed this the other day and now I think that every time I see one of your posts. If so: Eww... - Take another step back until you find you've walked away...
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.30 15:42:00 - [25] train your wife or kids to press the buttons just need to shout FIRE ZE MISSILEZ and they press works like magic ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.30 15:42:00 - [26] and soem big meteor is like well hek that 1987.08.31 00:29:09 Combat Your Smooth Criminal perfectly strikes Annie, wrecking for A Crescendo.
ReePeR McAllem	Posted - 2007.09.30 15:46:00 - [27] I'd rather a swap all weapon charges button... True PC gamers MOUSE it baby!
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.30 16:01:00 - [28] Originally by: ReePeR McAllem I'd rather a swap all weapon charges button... True PC gamers MOUSE it baby! best sig ever :D :D ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
Neon Ghost	Posted - 2007.09.30 17:10:00 - [29] Edited by: Neon Ghost on 30/09/2007 17:10:30 http://www.autohotkey.com
Some Caldari Caldari Shadow Warrioz	Posted - 2007.09.30 17:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Splagada train your wife or kids to press the buttons just need to shout FIRE ZE MISSILEZ and they press works like magic Best work safe mental image ever. ------------ Originally by: Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.

Kessiaan	Posted - 2007.09.30 17:31:00 - [31] Originally by: Larg Kellein Logitech G15, problem solved. I've been looking into gaming keyboards - thanks!
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.09.30 17:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Neon Ghost http://www.autohotkey.com I jumped into this thread just becasue I knew someone would post a link to something just like this. Thank you very, very much.
Krazy Bitsch	Posted - 2007.09.30 18:27:00 - [33] Originally by: Kadrush Edited by: Kadrush on 30/09/2007 12:36:19 Is it expensive? By the way...why everyone has to buy a new keyboard when ccp could simply add a new button to right click menu? wait so let me get this. You want CCP to creat an even bigger "lazy" button for mission running? why not just tell them to put an in game macro in? Some things in Eve require you to actually interact with the UI....learn how to do it.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.09.30 18:33:00 - [34] theres 2 more buttons i can assign on my mouse, but i have no idea which, any suggestions? atm i have 1 to activate/deactivate mwd/ab and 1 to reload all weapons. I almost never ap so i think that would be pointless. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Akally Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.09.30 18:38:00 - [35] don't suppose my mouse gives any advantage in eve then :(, it's hard coded for Shift for button 5 and Alt for button 4 (the side buttons) in WoW this works really well (and in other games) as you can Shift left click with just the mouse and Alt left click too :)
ALFONSE CAPONE	Posted - 2007.09.30 18:47:00 - [36] why can't i just click undock and every 1 dies , i mean this game is soooooooo hard. having to hit more than 1 butan totally ruins this game and makes it unplayable
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.09.30 18:49:00 - [37] Originally by: Sgt Blade you can also buy a razer copperhead mouse and you can program in hotkeys which is a nice touch. /me is doing that :-) Anyway, another benefit of having 'groups' of weapons firing would be that there could be some optimisations in both networking and server processing. Atm (as far as I can see), each weapon is treated both with regard to networking and server processing as individual entities. If a weapon grouping were also on the server level, this could cut down on both networking and CPU usage..... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection	Posted - 2007.09.30 18:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/09/2007 15:11:01 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/09/2007 15:07:39 Originally by: Fara'a well what it takes to fire a weapon from, say, tank? load, aim, fire.. it's same in everything that can fire a bullet, more or less.. the heck you want? all those nice little things computer calculates for you? imagine how long would a fight take.. 'warps in, sees a target, calculates the distance, target velocity, direction it moves, loads ammo in guns, 1 to 5, calculates the guns tracking speed/target velocity, signature radius. fires gun 1. repeat all above. fire gun 2... get my drift? I meant battle(and diplomacy, etc) as a whole, not just the "fire weapons" bit. It's so...game'ish(yeah yeah, it's a game) that it has really little immersion. Really hard to explain what i mean by "i want a more complicated system in place", but basically i think it's about...well...it doesn't require much "thought" to fly a ship Yes yes, you can rabble all you want about "Well you haven't pvp'd" or "you noob know nothing of real battle!" etc etc...but the fact is, piloting a ship in EVE is, the largest part, yet the most simple part. And i KNOW it's not possible 'cause it would cause a whine fest the size of a tirefire in texas, and it would change all this and that, but still...some "brains" would be nice. Or actual piloting skill needs. Anything you do on a computer is "pressing buttons". When playing chess you only have to engage your arm, 2 fingers, and very little thought to move a piece, but this doesn't impact the brains necessary to play the game well. Not sure what you mean by increasing the difficulty to fly ships. Maybe an example would help? The fact is, skill comes in at when to press the buttons, not the action of pressing the buttons themselves. Also MMOs are notorious for requiring little "actual skill". This all depends on your definition of "skill" though. Usually its the team with more members and members with more time/patience than their adversaries who win. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 19:06:00 - [39] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/09/2007 19:06:46 Originally by: Gorefacer Anything you do on a computer is "pressing buttons". When playing chess you only have to engage your arm, 2 fingers, and very little thought to move a piece, but this doesn't impact the brains necessary to play the game well. Not sure what you mean by increasing the difficulty to fly ships. Maybe an example would help? The fact is, skill comes in at when to press the buttons, not the action of pressing the buttons themselves. Also MMOs are notorious for requiring little "actual skill". This all depends on your definition of "skill" though. Usually its the team with more members and members with more time/patience than their adversaries who win. Edit: Making interaction with the UI more repetitive/obscure/difficult may make the game "harder" but generally in a way that makes people not want to play it. I know what you mean, and it's true, making a game harder would alianate people. Though, EVE is known for it's "unfair and downright cruel" status I guess, what i really want, is more options. Shifting power between systems, between armor and weaponry, speed of ship, ability to compute (sorry for the star trek term) "evasive maneuver" patters that you can activate, linking weapons, modules to automate/freeing automation for more power...customizing UI accordingly to ship fitting. You know, more stuff to do, more tactical elements, more abilities to alter the direction of the battle then just: Captain: "repair" Crew: Ok... Captain: "Shoot" Crew: yawn Wha? Oh yeah...ok. Captain: ...repair? Crew: Sure, why not. Captain: ... Crew: The hull is breaking sir. Captain: ... Crew Captain? Captain: Oh sorry, was getting coffe, wha? snap ***le pop My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.09.30 19:30:00 - [40] Oh hell yes! Guess what everybody? Using that wonderful macro program, I have made Eve better for myself. tilde fires all guns ctrl-tilde runs shield booster 5 times, then shuts it off And using scripted mouse clicks, I can control my drones! Alt-Q launches drones Alt-A attacks current target Alt-Z Returns them to drone bay Friggen cool!

Kadrush	Posted - 2007.09.30 19:39:00 - [41] Well...tried to use autohotkey...but i failed completely to create a hotkey sequence (scripts doesnt like me). only managed to change one hotkey for the other. Therefore...tried a different "sollution" I set the following keys to fire my highslots (in sequence) alt+z + alt+a + alt+x + alt+s + alt+c + alt+d + alt+q + alt+w try it on your keyboard, is faster than pressin f1 to f8
Sprzedawczyk	Posted - 2007.09.30 19:57:00 - [42] Buy any A4-tech keyboard,(and all of them which come at less than 5% of G15 price!!!). Program hotkey and profit:P Poor G15 suckers, bet you have two iphones too?:P
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.09.30 20:00:00 - [43] Don't buy any new keyboard. In 45 minutes, you can write a script that can do everything that keyboard can do - and much more (mouse commands).
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.09.30 20:03:00 - [44] Cant you paste the script for autohotkey to set a single key to press f1 to f8 at the same time? Talking about it...someone said macro...autokey is illegal?
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.09.30 20:10:00 - [45] I was thinking of posting the script I wrote, but I'm wondering if this automation is against any rules. I hope not. Ccp is about to make drones controllable via hotkeys really soon anyway... But in AutoHotkey, the script to make all guns fire is $`:: sendinput {F1}{F2}{F3}{F4}{F5}{F6}{F7}{F8} return I would post the drone control code too, but you have to have your overview set up a certain way for it to work, it would be a hassle for anyone who didn't write the code and didn't know what was going on.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 20:14:00 - [46] The G keyboard thingy isn't illegal, as it's considered a "gaming tool", but using macro hotkey programs, etc outside programs that effect direct gameplay, are illegal. So i'd be REALLY careful in using some program like that, i'm thinking it's not very "nice" My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.30 20:16:00 - [47] DOOM shall be wrought upon ye all who useth thine 3rd party app! 1987.08.31 00:29:09 Combat Your Smooth Criminal perfectly strikes Annie, wrecking for A Crescendo.
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.09.30 20:17:00 - [48] Originally by: Sheriff Jones The G keyboard thingy isn't illegal, as it's considered a "gaming tool", but using macro hotkey programs, etc outside programs that effect direct gameplay, are illegal. So i'd be REALLY careful in using some program like that, i'm thinking it's not very "nice" Ok then. Thank you for letting me know. I don't want to jeopardize my account over some silly gun-firing macro.
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.09.30 20:19:00 - [49] Edited by: Kadrush on 30/09/2007 20:21:20 editing....going to delete autohotkey at once...dunno that it was illegal...
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 20:20:00 - [50] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/09/2007 20:20:54 Originally by: Kadrush Dude...the code for the guns worked pretty well...dont think it really a macro...think about it...I am still playing...still at the front of the pc...using a free program to help me set up hotkeys... Well, it's not a matter of "do we believe it's a macro program or not", but more of a "CCP will hang you for using one" issue. It's clear cut, CCP likes it, ok. CCP doesn't, hang. Nice and clean around these parts spits My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.

Kadrush	Posted - 2007.09.30 20:31:00 - [51] Well, just sent them a petition asking about the program and because it helps only about hotkeys if we can use it. Also said that I didnt had the real opportuniy to use it (I really dont, just tested outside the station without shooting). Lets see what they have to say about it.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 20:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Kadrush Well, just sent them a petition asking about the program and because it helps only about hotkeys if we can use it. Also said that I didnt had the real opportuniy to use it (I really dont, just tested outside the station without shooting). Lets see what they have to say about it. If they don't like it, there's gonna be a bit o trouble in the future for the people who said they use it Even if it's just "in station", asi si with all outside programs deemed illegal. If you say you use one, they have to make sure you don't use one in the future, after it's deemed naughty. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.09.30 22:05:00 - [53] Rules are supposed to be flexibe, well at least this is one of the ways of thinking on the study of law. If the ccp devs are legalists, people who use autohotkey will be **cked up. But if the stop to analise and comprehend that this program only helps to bypass a lack of EVE, they will allow its use like they allowed Teamspeak before.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 22:14:00 - [54] Originally by: Kadrush Rules are supposed to be flexibe, well at least this is one of the ways of thinking on the study of law. If the ccp devs are legalists, people who use autohotkey will be *cked up. But if the stop to analise and comprehend that this program only helps to bypass a lack of EVE, they will allow its use like they allowed Teamspeak before. Macro programs, of any sort, that claim to "improve" the game and what's lacking, are generally banned and hunted. So i wouldn't be suprised. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.*
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.09.30 22:14:00 - [55] Edited by: Kadrush on 30/09/2007 22:15:54 Teamspeak improves the game...
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 22:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Kadrush Teamspeak improve the game... Teamspeak doesn't enhance the elements in the game. A macro towards controlling the game does. It's just a general ruleset that works and prevents abuse in the MMO scene in general. We all know the rules and obey by them, those who don't, get a boot. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.09.30 22:24:00 - [57] Edited by: Kadrush on 30/09/2007 22:28:27 Dont worry...your secret if safe with me... I wonder...if this is a so important question...why the topic isnt locked yet...or some dev or forum administrator still did not said anything about the question...
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 22:33:00 - [58] Originally by: Kadrush I wonder...if this is a so important question...why the topic isnt locked yet...or some dev or forum administrator still did not said anything about the question... Probably has to do with, and this is an outrageous claim i know, with the fact that it's sunday and people don't usually work on the weekend My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.30 22:33:00 - [59] Originally by: Kadrush Edited by: Kadrush on 30/09/2007 22:28:27 I wonder...if this is a so important question...why the topic isnt locked yet...or some dev or forum administrator still did not said anything about the question... Because this horse is as dead as disco, they've been over it a thousand times before. Stuff that lets you make keybinds, such as the G15 is cool, stuff that lets you automate gameplay, including mouse movement and clicks, such as Autohotkey, is not cool. Originally by: Roy Batty68 My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 22:37:00 - [60] Originally by: Larg Kellein Originally by: Kadrush Edited by: Kadrush on 30/09/2007 22:28:27 I wonder...if this is a so important question...why the topic isnt locked yet...or some dev or forum administrator still did not said anything about the question... Because this horse is as dead as disco, they've been over it a thousand times before. Stuff that lets you make keybinds, such as the G15 is cool, stuff that lets you automate gameplay, including mouse movement and clicks, such as Autohotkey, is not cool. And this is also why i believe there's gonna be some very interesting "actions" towards some of the players on this thread. Come normal work day that is. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.

Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.09.30 22:39:00 - [61] Originally by: Sheriff Jones It's just a general ruleset that works and prevents abuse in the MMO scene in general. We all know the rules and obey by them, those who don't, get a boot. We didn't all know this. This is my first Mmo. Will likely be my last, too. Unless some sort of wacky Eve 2 comes out.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 22:41:00 - [62] Originally by: Dubious Drewski Originally by: Sheriff Jones It's just a general ruleset that works and prevents abuse in the MMO scene in general. We all know the rules and obey by them, those who don't, get a boot. We didn't all know this. This is my first Mmo. Will likely be my last, too. Unless some sort of wacky Eve 2 comes out. It's all in the EULA/CoC...you did read it before signing right? Right?! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.09.30 22:43:00 - [63] Edited by: Kadrush on 30/09/2007 22:43:46 I didnt knew also...I was just thinking..."man this program is sooooooo cool, isnt it supposed to be forbidden?" What I knew...automation softwares that allow the player to leave the game running while he do something else...this ones I knew for sure that where forbidden. Other prograns that give a small hand..well...i didnt knew that this ones are also forbidden...since teamspeak are allowed...and they help the game playability as well...
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection	Posted - 2007.09.30 23:11:00 - [64] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/09/2007 19:06:46 Originally by: Gorefacer Anything you do on a computer is "pressing buttons". When playing chess you only have to engage your arm, 2 fingers, and very little thought to move a piece, but this doesn't impact the brains necessary to play the game well. Not sure what you mean by increasing the difficulty to fly ships. Maybe an example would help? The fact is, skill comes in at when to press the buttons, not the action of pressing the buttons themselves. Also MMOs are notorious for requiring little "actual skill". This all depends on your definition of "skill" though. Usually its the team with more members and members with more time/patience than their adversaries who win. Edit: Making interaction with the UI more repetitive/obscure/difficult may make the game "harder" but generally in a way that makes people not want to play it. I know what you mean, and it's true, making a game harder would alianate people. Though, EVE is known for it's "unfair and downright cruel" status I guess, what i really want, is more options. Shifting power between systems, between armor and weaponry, speed of ship, ability to compute (sorry for the star trek term) "evasive maneuver" patters that you can activate, linking weapons, modules to automate/freeing automation for more power...customizing UI accordingly to ship fitting. You know, more stuff to do, more tactical elements, more abilities to alter the direction of the battle then just: Captain: "repair" Crew: Ok... Captain: "Shoot" Crew: yawn Wha? Oh yeah...ok. Captain: ...repair? Crew: Sure, why not. Captain: ... Crew: The hull is breaking sir. Captain: ... Crew Captain? Captain: Oh sorry, was getting coffe, wha? snap ***le pop ah ok, I see want you mean. Might be cool if implemented well. Shifting power and evasive maneuvers could be easily done I think, but would radically change in game tactics. Not that that's a bad thing though. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.30 23:33:00 - [65] Originally by: Gorefacer ah ok, I see want you mean. Might be cool if implemented well. Shifting power and evasive maneuvers could be easily done I think, but would radically change in game tactics. Not that that's a bad thing though. More i think about it, more ideas pop into my head all day long. Things like, dropping life support completely and tell the crew to bail out, effectively leaving you without any use of tactical equipment(drone bays, modules etc), to boost your warp core enough to get out of a really tricky situation. Would remain as a "limping" ship too, until you paid a good deal to replace crew. And many many more My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 00:20:00 - [66] WTB Highslot Diplomacy Module? - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.01 00:25:00 - [67] Originally by: Frug WTB Highslot Diplomacy Module? I wish. Example: You go to 0.0 space. You go pop at the sight of any ship. End story. Rabble rabble. Now, what i'd like to see is: You go to 0.0 space. "You have entered the territory of the Pirate-y Players United! Leave now or face the consequences!" You either leave or give them the international sign of "how's your mother". Much more, spacey, thingy, in ym mind. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.10.01 00:32:00 - [68] Stick the topic... Before I forget that I posted something useful...
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 01:32:00 - [69] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Frug WTB Highslot Diplomacy Module? I wish. Example: You go to 0.0 space. You go pop at the sight of any ship. End story. Rabble rabble. Now, what i'd like to see is: You go to 0.0 space. "You have entered the territory of the Pirate-y Players United! Leave now or face the consequences!" You either leave or give them the international sign of "how's your mother". Much more, spacey, thingy, in ym mind. I would be satisfied if they just didn't shoot at you when you have high standings with them. "Hey mr gurista. Howzit going? Fight the power man! Yeah. I'm just running a mission for your boss, killin those caldari jerkwads. Hey what... don't target me. Hey stop shooting me wtf you doing?" - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 06:07:00 - [70] I wish this forum had "make intelligent post" button.

Forum Warrior	Posted - 2007.10.01 06:34:00 - [71] Originally by: Contralto about G15 more complex sequences are possible, like the align for warp, engage MWD, cloak, uncloak warp to 0. but these need a lot of practise and some manual mouse input. Originally by: Sheriff Jones The G keyboard thingy isn't illegal, as it's considered a "gaming tool", but using macro hotkey programs, etc outside programs that effect direct gameplay, are illegal. You're kidding, right? How is that ANY different from a macro program if you have to basically still have to write a macro, only in the effing keyboard driver software? How hypocritical can in get, seriously? Someone care to enlighten me about the logic behind this accumulation of bovine excrement? Is CCP getting paid by Logitech by any chance?
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.01 07:17:00 - [72] I'm pretty sure that autohotkey falls into that dark gray area. If you're using it to bind all your turrets to a single keystroke (something easily performed by the player and requiring actual player input), it's kosher. If you're using it to mine while you're at work, not so much. The more you automate, the more likely it is to be a breach of the EULA. Mouse-related input is pretty much off-limits, but keystrokes are fine. The rationale being that moving the mouse and interacting with buttons, menus, etc. is a complex action that should require human input, but mashing eight buttons that correspond to eight different shortcuts is a simple action that is fundamentally no different from mashing one button that corresponds to eight different shortcuts.
Foppemoa Caldari Royal Swedish Capsulers Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.01 08:22:00 - [73] On my G15 i'm basically only using the G13 key. One of the bottom ones close to the left CTRL key. Step 1: I "programmed" that one to use F1-F8. Step 2: Then i moved my shield hardeners/tank to the bottom slots in the UI. Step 3: use CTRL to lock your foes. Step 4: CTRL + G13 to activate tank. Step 6: G13 to fire the zhit Step 7: Profit It very comfortable to not have to move your hand around all the time. Slacker setup ftw. On a sidenote: for people not wanting to toss out allot of cash on a G15 you can always buy the cheaper G11. Basically the same keyboard except that it doesn't have the lcd display on it.
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.10.01 10:57:00 - [74] I received the following aswer in my e-mail today... "Petition: Autohotkey third party program You can follow up on your petition on: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/Petitions/PetitionDetails.aspx?20070930-822552-5152B04E 2007.10.01 05:32:00 GM Faolchu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi, I don't see any problem with you using autohotkey to speed up or organise your button presses in the game. It still requires you to be at the keyboard pressing keys to active the button presses. Best Regards, GM Faolchu EVE Online Customer Support 2007.09.30 20:27:00 None ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hy, I was looking for a legal way of speed up my hotkeys in the game...on the forum people told me about the autohotkey program and got amazed on how it could help me. Dunno how to really use the program, still learning, but before I try it in game I would like to know if a program used only to set my hotkeys in the way that I like is forbidden or not. I know it is technically a third party, but I am still playing, still at the front of the pc and so on. Finnaly, well...thats it...I would like to know if the program is forbidden or if I can use it. Thanks in advance. (plz dont ban me for trying it for 3 minutes before thinking..."hey, is it illegal?" and sending you guys this petition)"
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:44:00 - [75] Originally by: Forum Warrior You're kidding, right? How is that ANY different from a macro program if you have to basically still have to write a macro, only in the effing keyboard driver software? How hypocritical can in get, seriously? Someone care to enlighten me about the logic behind this accumulation of bovine excrement? Is CCP getting paid by Logitech by any chance? The difference would be simple, it's CCPs call, if you don't like it points at door That's how ALL MMO work, you have no say in these matters. Anyway, a more "kind" response was earlier, the G equipment is a gaming tool, autokey is a 3rd party software. So basically you don't get any "free" advance from it(as with TS/ventrilo), but have to pay up to get that advance. Anyway, on the petition posted above, that i KNOW is a no-no(posting petitions that is), especially since fabricating petition logs isn't unheard of, so we have to wait for an official response before we can deem this "worthy" My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:24:00 - [76] I just pasted the aswer from my petition here, I didn¦t change anything. I am pretty safe now that this specific program is allowed. Posted it here basicaly to help other players who said here that use it and were afraid of being banned. Use it or not, is your choice. But dont question my honesty, plz.
Susan Acid	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:39:00 - [77] Originally by: Forum Warrior You're kidding, right? How is that ANY different from a macro program if you have to basically still have to write a macro, only in the effing keyboard driver software? How hypocritical can in get, seriously? Someone care to enlighten me about the logic behind this accumulation of bovine excrement? Is CCP getting paid by Logitech by any chance? CCP have said it's legal as it's completely different to a macro programme that is used to mine all day while afk. Key presses are ok.Mouse movements are not. That's the difference.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:39:00 - [78] Originally by: Kadrush I just pasted the aswer from my petition here, I didn¦t change anything. I am pretty safe now that this specific program is allowed. Posted it here basicaly to help other players who said here that use it and were afraid of being banned. Use it or not, is your choice. But dont question my honesty, plz. I wasn't questioning your honesty, gees this board is somewhat "hostile oriented" I was saying that it's not ok to post petittions/gm chatlogs etc, simply because they are too easy to modify to "show proof". This is why it's not ok to post, and it means basically nothing, even if i could trust you to say the 100% truth. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:36:00 - [79] You have a point, my apologies... But if you really want a proff, I can take a screenshoot of my mail box with the e-mail if you want.
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:38:00 - [80] Originally by: Kadrush You have a point, my apologies... But if you really want a proff, I can take a screenshoot of my mail box with the e-mail if you want. Wouldn't do that, since communication between you and the GM is private:-) Having said that, I read the response you got, and the important part is that you are only automating keystrokes that you would perform manually in normal gameplay anyway. Which is why setting up mining scrips and so on would be a free ticket to Bansville, population you, since you can't bind that using ingame tools anyway. Originally by: Roy Batty68 My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.

Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.10.01 19:07:00 - [81] What a fascinating subject. I agree, in terms of legality, this half-automation is very "grey-area". Despite how fun I find coding and scripting, I'd better not touch this one. I think I'll use this AutoHotKey to make Windows fun to use instead. Wee!
EL TITAN Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.01 19:11:00 - [82] this thread has gone weird ;x -------------------------------------------- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Burkmat Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.10.02 08:56:00 - [83] Originally by: Splagada train your wife or kids to press the buttons just need to shout FIRE ZE MISSILEZ and they press works like magic Originally by: Neon Ghost http://www.autohotkey.com Found some funky software awhile ago called "Dragon NaturallySpeaking", so add that + autohotkey and you've got "FIRE Z+ MISSILES" without having to feed the wife and kids :D
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.10.02 09:02:00 - [84] if you try to use a program to run this macro, you're breaking the UELA. if you use a keyboard to run the macro you aren't. the moral of this story? macro miners should be using gaming keyboards, and using a software macro to activate the keyboard macros. the EULA remains intact.
Kadrush	Posted - 2007.10.02 10:04:00 - [85] Edited by: Kadrush on 02/10/2007 10:05:40 Edited by: Kadrush on 02/10/2007 10:04:47 Well, so far, I got the ok to use the software. Of course, it is the opinion of one GM, which legaly speak in the name of CCP when aswering petitions. CCP can still ban me (simply because they have the power to do it) if they see me using autohotkey (I didnt had time to use it yet), but I have the e-mail to say "hey, you guys allowed me" and since we got no official response from any gm¦s, moderators, and dev¦s in this topic. I stay with my aswer. Just in case, I recommend t everyone who wants to use the program as well to petition asking and explaining why it should be allowed; from that we got two consequences. -After so many requests they will probably make an official statement about the matter. -Maybe they change the hotkey system to make not necessary to use prograns like autohotkey.


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