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Rilder Caldari THC LTD Dogs of War.	Posted - 2007.10.02 00:52:00 - [61] Also I'd like to point out that Mission tax only applies to the mission reward, not the bonus. --
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.02 00:53:00 - [62] also already been said STOP COMPETING FOR THE TOP OF MY BOARD 1987.08.31 00:29:09 Combat Your Smooth Criminal perfectly strikes Annie, wrecking for A Crescendo.
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.02 01:30:00 - [63] Edited by: Devian 666 on 02/10/2007 01:32:23 I run at a 5% corp tax rate and the corp doesn't often do many taxable activities. I also treat the corp as a separate entity which I have personally loaned roughly 50m isk. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out how much taxable income has to be generated for the corporate entity to repay me. Edit: There are also a number of corps advertising 15-25% tax rate as "LOW TAXES". I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.02 01:33:00 - [64] my wallet, IS the corp wallet it seems... I end up buying nearly all the blueprints, pos junk, ect ect, because the 1% tax doesnt even pay for the corp office rent... though we are nearly there, a few more active members and it will 1987.08.31 00:29:09 Combat Your Smooth Criminal perfectly strikes Annie, wrecking for A Crescendo.
Erlik Draknor Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.10.02 01:40:00 - [65] I guess there's a bunch of commies play eve. Go screw yourselves with high taxes.
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.02 02:15:00 - [66] Originally by: Tortun Nahme my wallet, IS the corp wallet it seems... I end up buying nearly all the blueprints, pos junk, ect ect, because the 1% tax doesnt even pay for the corp office rent... though we are nearly there, a few more active members and it will Good luck on your expansion to cover corp costs. I hope some of your members see fit to make some donations for the infrastructure that you're providing, but it seems like a common story (not necessarily a bad thing). In relation to communist style corps I have heard many storys of 100% corp tax and 100% refining tax on a temporary basis. If I was a member I'd expect some sort of benefit/infrastructure from those tax rates. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Maaku	Posted - 2007.10.02 02:53:00 - [67] EVE is nothing if not about knowing the law (game mechanics), reading the fine print, trusting but verifying. That said, if: 2007.10.02 00:00 Transaction Tax -100.00 ISK 5426921.35 ISK Sales tax paid to the SCC 2007.10.02 00:00 Market Transaction 10000.00 ISK 5436921.35 ISK Market: Darknight Deathstalker bought stuff from Maaku ...then... 2007.10.02 01:00 Corporation Tax -1500.00 ISK 5483921.35 ISK Corporation tax paid to WeLuvN00bs Corporation 2007.10.02 01:00 Bounty Prize 15000.00 ISK 5498921.35 ISK Maaku got bounty prize for killing Arch Gistii Defenestrator ...makes sense if only from a consistency perspective.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.02 02:58:00 - [68] Originally by: Devian 666 Originally by: Tortun Nahme my wallet, IS the corp wallet it seems... I end up buying nearly all the blueprints, pos junk, ect ect, because the 1% tax doesnt even pay for the corp office rent... though we are nearly there, a few more active members and it will Good luck on your expansion to cover corp costs. I hope some of your members see fit to make some donations for the infrastructure that you're providing, but it seems like a common story (not necessarily a bad thing). In relation to communist style corps I have heard many storys of 100% corp tax and 100% refining tax on a temporary basis. If I was a member I'd expect some sort of benefit/infrastructure from those tax rates. It actually isn't so bad, my two loyal seconds would do the same if they had the same ammount of isk, and are well on their way there with their industrial ways and we may be growing slowly but thats because we are doing so on purpose, to be very careful... we havent even launched our pos but have enough fuel to run it for a month hehe 1987.08.31 00:29:09 Combat Your Smooth Criminal perfectly strikes Annie, wrecking for A Crescendo.
Curzon Dax The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.02 03:16:00 - [69] Here's my two cents. The corp interface is quite easy to access, and its quite easy to look at and understand almost any generic aspect of the corp that you're looking at from its ticker information. In this instance: tax. Any player can look at the information of the corp that they're being asked to join / thinking about joining and discover that information out. If they aren't sure what it means, they can ask. If they don't look into the corp that they're thinking about joining, and join it only to get robbed of 10% of their income - so be it; they don't deserve to have it to blindly join a corp that they don't know anything about.
Sixtina KL	Posted - 2007.10.02 03:34:00 - [70] ZOMG LAWL HAY GUYZ LETS NERF TAXEZ. Scamming is legal in EVE. And that includes setting taxes way too damn high. Those who don't notice, that makes more money for the happy CEO. __________________________________
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.10.02 05:37:00 - [71] Edited by: F''nog on 02/10/2007 05:38:04 Originally by: Tarazed Aquilae Dear Max Tesla: Most of the people here are adults living in Western nations. As such we are well aware of what taxes are. Furthermore, a 10%, 20%, or even 30% tax rate seems very low to us. ThatÆs because we are paying somewhere between 50% to 90% of our income, in real life taxes, to our Governments. And most governments wonÆt even help you buy a new space battleship. IÆm telling you this because it appears that you are either too young to have ever paid taxes or have gone through life blissfully unaware of what real life is like. Quoted for big amounts of truth. OK, I can maybe understand if you don't know much English, and don't know what tax is, AND you don't have a localized client that prints it in your native tongue. But then it's not that hard to ask what tax is, now is it. So, I'm guessing the OP is young and not familiar with the fact that tax is so common a term that it isn't really necessary to explain it since, as above, we're mostly adults who are all-too-familiar with paying taxes. But even if you're a kid, chances are you've bought something at some point in your life and should have noticed the sales tax on the purchase. So, really, if you don't know what tax is, or its corresponding term/phrase in your own language, you've got more pressing matters than playing Eve. Edit - and who else is thinking of the judge in Futurama? "I'm told that money is something poor people use to buy things..." or something like that. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Max Tesla	Posted - 2007.10.02 06:35:00 - [72] Originally by: Danae Melios Um, Eve is largely an economic sim. "Tax" is a basic part of the economic lexicon. If someone doesn't understand "tax" until, oh, 9 months (like you mentioned) then I question whether they should be in the game, period. Sorry for sounding elitist, but not really. I'd be tempted to declare the OP a troll, but unfortunately I know that there are people who don't question anything for the first year or so. By the way, the tax SHOULD be providing some benefit to the members-- whether corp supplied basic stuff like ships and ammo, or offices or blueprints, or be saving up for some corporate project. If it is just disappearing with nary a word, leave your current corp. If you are using multiple offices and always finding ammo lying around in the corp hangers for you to take and the corp offers you a free ship to sign up, then that is what the corp tax is going toward. Frankly, I would think that the corporate tax would apply to market sales as well, but CCP decided against that way back when. It is pretty much just a mechanism for ratters and mission runners to give up a small amount of their income automatically to the corp while they play solo. It gets people putting into the pot when they wouldn't otherwise due to style of preferred gameplay. Nothing wrong with that. I said 9 motnhs did I?? Where did I say 9 months Why dont you show me where I said 9 months And since you make up stuff like 9 months you obviously have no idea what you are talking about or perhaps you are on of the scammers trying to justify your scam
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.02 06:38:00 - [73] see now THIS is a quality troll, ad hom attacks nitpicking tiny unimportant details, mix it with the hilarity of complaining about taxes, delicious irony, and active creativity from the alt being used! I rate this one a solid 7/10, with a little effort, and posting with a main, the op could become a true forum pirate Originally by: Akita T No, it's a trap ! I can tell from some of the modules and from seeing quite a few traps in my time...
Max Tesla	Posted - 2007.10.02 06:53:00 - [74] A whole lot of scammers post here justifying there scams, like öwe are all adults here we pay taxes daily bla bla blaö But the thing is that lots of people donÆt know what is going on The first month that you play eve you are to busy with ooo this is so cool, so funky flying ships zomg! And all this time the ceo is rubbing his porky hands together and with orgasmic joy laughing as the poor souls money just keeps on ticking into the ceos wallet, all of the trillions of isk being scammed daily just tick tick tick into the greedy ceos wallet as he cackles. All I am saying install a big fat red line in the journal where it shows corp tax and the ability to see how much you have paid in corp taxes totally, that is all I am saying And I understand that most people against this are of course the scammers them selves which can be so clearly seen by the other posts here.
vulnevia Heavy Cocktail Industries	Posted - 2007.10.02 07:58:00 - [75] Yeah... Let's say a corp has 10 n00bs, each of them does 10 lvl1 missions per day, and the average payment for each is 100.000 isk (and that's GOOD lvl1 missions). Probably the bounty for the NPCs will be under 35k isk, so the little scammed guys pays 10.000 isk in tax for each mission. 10.0000 x 10 missions x 10 noobs = 1.000.000 (1 million) a day for the corp. OMG, the CEO is gonna be rich as a king! He'll make 30 mil each month from those noobs if they're grinding lvl1 missions. And just for the fun of it, let's say the corp has a corp hangar somewhere, for maybe 5-10 mil a month, and maybe the corp buys cheap frigs for the mission runners, and maybe helps the noobs with some skills? Hopefully, when the noobs get less noobish, and starts to run lvl2 and lvl3 missions, they get more from the corp, and maybe they've been reading stuff (yay stuff) in the forums, and feel more secure about maybe asking the ceo what the money goes to etc. If it's a true mission corp, where they don't do other stuff than run missions all the day; yes it could be better to move to a NPC corp, but if they also mine and are looking towards a pos taxes aren't that bad imho. Yes, it may be wrong of me to presume that people know how to read and inform them selvs, but somehow I belive in people in that way.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.10.02 08:29:00 - [76] Originally by: Max Tesla A whole lot of scammers post here justifying there scams, like öwe are all adults here we pay taxes daily bla bla blaö But the thing is that lots of people donÆt know what is going on The first month that you play eve you are to busy with ooo this is so cool, so funky flying ships zomg! And all this time the ceo is rubbing his porky hands together and with orgasmic joy laughing as the poor souls money just keeps on ticking into the ceos wallet, all of the trillions of isk being scammed daily just tick tick tick into the greedy ceos wallet as he cackles. All I am saying install a big fat red line in the journal where it shows corp tax and the ability to see how much you have paid in corp taxes totally, that is all I am saying And I understand that most people against this are of course the scammers them selves which can be so clearly seen by the other posts here. OMG, now I see the light. If only I created a corp and recruited a bunch of new players, I could be raking in a MILLION ISK/day. Think of that. In a month I could almost buy a BC! In about 4 months I could buy a BS and almost fit it with T1 gear! This is definitely the road to riches. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Thrust SSC	Posted - 2007.10.02 08:36:00 - [77] If you can't figure out corp tax within the first few day's you're none to bright. And if thats the case, you're not gonna last in EVE anyway.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.02 08:40:00 - [78] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 02/10/2007 08:41:00 Originally by: Thrust SSC If you can't figure out corp tax within the first few day's you're none to bright. And if thats the case, you're not gonna last in EVE anyway. Let's put it in WoW terms! Yei! WoW terms! you sees 3 goldiez! Pick up loot. Invalid commandz! I aer picking up lootz! Yeeei! You are receivez 2.5 goldiez! Hmm... you sees 3 goldiez! I aer picking up lootz! Yeeei! You are receivez 2.5 goldiez! What the... you sees 3 goldiez! I aer picking up lootz? Yeeei! You are receivez 2.5 goldiez! Hey wait a minute! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Max Tesla	Posted - 2007.10.02 09:53:00 - [79] Originally by: vulnevia Yeah... Let's say a corp has 10 n00bs, each of them does 10 lvl1 missions per day, and the average payment for each is 100.000 isk (and that's GOOD lvl1 missions). Probably the bounty for the NPCs will be under 35k isk, so the little scammed guys pays 10.000 isk in tax for each mission. 10.0000 x 10 missions x 10 noobs = 1.000.000 (1 million) a day for the corp. OMG, the CEO is gonna be rich as a king! He'll make 30 mil each month from those noobs if they're grinding lvl1 missions. Ahh yes you canÆt think in steps so let me explain it for you You point out that in just 1 corp 1 million is being scammed, but you fail to grasp that in eve there is more then one corp There are thousands of thousands of corps and if you take thousands of thousands of corps each scamming millions then the total scam becomes several billions and that is my whole point What you fail to see is that there is more then just one corp in eve and you fail to see the big picture with thousands and thousands of corps scamming thousands and thousands of new people
say tann	Posted - 2007.10.02 09:57:00 - [80] I whole-heartedly agree with Max.
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.02 09:59:00 - [81] Edited by: Izo Azlion on 02/10/2007 09:59:48 /me hands the OP more Coke. Keep on sniffin'! Edit: Its a learning curve anyway. Izo Azlion. ---
Filoviridae Minmatar Devious - Special Forces Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.02 09:59:00 - [82] Corps should require an average of the age of the members characters before taxing. This may hinder a CEO trying to start up a new Corp but with a tight nucleus determined to succeed should be able to provide enough funds. -Filo
Snake Jankins Minmatar German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.02 10:20:00 - [83] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 02/10/2007 10:21:47 Originally by: Filoviridae Corps should require an average of the age of the members characters before taxing. This may hinder a CEO trying to start up a new Corp but with a tight nucleus determined to succeed should be able to provide enough funds. Well, someone said, that you get informed about the corp tax in the moment you join. If people are to lazy too inform themselves what it is, bad luck. For me the whole thing is exaggerated. Most corps have common goals and set a tax. They are really corps, not just some guys, who share a common chat channel. It's give and take. In my small corp the tax was enough to buy pos fuel, pay offices and alliance fees. Depending on the needs it was set between 10 and 25 percent. On mandantory OPs, it was set up to 100% and there was no discussion about it. It's how we wanted to play and who can't live with it, doesn't need to be in our corp. Now we're back to empire and only have a basic tax of 10%. So it goes. Btw the CEO doesn't get rich. So far the CEOs I had rather put a lot of their own money into the corp. ___________ I've never been so serious as I am now. No, really.
Grunanca Fusion Mercenaries	Posted - 2007.10.02 10:25:00 - [84] Think I had played for around 3 hours when I first pressed show info on some guy and saw his corp. I dont see how you can not see the word tax, followed by a number... And if you dont know that tax means money out of your pocket, you are clearly not old enough to play. But guess someone (OP) could be ignorant enough to stay in a corp for a very long time and not noticing most of his money disapearing to corp wallet
Ralle030583 Gallente Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.10.02 11:21:00 - [85] Originally by: Akita T Besides, all bounties below 35k per participant are not taxed. If you're already killing larger stuff and not know what corp tax is, you deserve to join one that has it set up to 50% or even 100%. that post wins^^ You need a free Killboard? check: http:\\www.eve-kill.net Originally by: CCP Sharkbait i have untrashed this bug report and i will take car
Max Tesla	Posted - 2007.10.02 11:27:00 - [86] Edited by: Max Tesla on 02/10/2007 11:27:34 Originally by: Ralle030583 Originally by: Akita T Besides, all bounties below 35k per participant are not taxed. If you're already killing larger stuff and not know what corp tax is, you deserve to join one that has it set up to 50% or even 100%. that post wins^^ I have pointed out several times that missions do get taxed, and NO people donÆt deserve to get scammed. All I am saying is that the corp tax should be visible in the wallet with big fat red letters and the only reason to oppose this is of course if you are running a scam
Selene Fenestre Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.10.02 11:29:00 - [87] OP: Its not a scam. If people feel they are being conned by the Corp tax, then perhaps they don't belong in that Corp. They can always set up their own and see how the tax they have been paying helps keep their offices paid for, etc, etc.. My Corp allows all members to view the Corp wallet (though not access) so there is transparency as to where their money is going.
Max Tesla	Posted - 2007.10.02 11:33:00 - [88] Originally by: Selene Fenestre OP: Its not a scam. If people feel they are being conned by the Corp tax, then perhaps they don't belong in that Corp. They can always set up their own and see how the tax they have been paying helps keep their offices paid for, etc, etc.. My Corp allows all members to view the Corp wallet (though not access) so there is transparency as to where their money is going. Lots of new people join eve everyday and some of them have no clue about anything and then some dude says; hey want to join my corp, and people usually say, why not Now since they are new they have no clue what 10% tax is or 15% tax is, yes they could find out and people could eat less and so many people wouldnÆt be so fat and people could read Chinese if they only studied 100 hours per week etc etc, they wont know that the CEO has stolen so much cash for them for atleast some months before they learn the mechanics of the game The problem with corp tax is that you donÆt really see it in journal it is always green. All npc bounties are all green you donÆt see the npc bounty and the a big fat red line with minus 10 %, no you directly see the calculated 90% So before people understand what is going on and that they have been giving away 10-25% for nothing or peanuts already months have passed and the CEO is laughing all the way to the bank because he was able to scam so many new people to join his corp And some people say well you get help in a human corp bla bla bla, you get more help in a npc corp because there are always more people there and there is always someone willing to help. So this is the biggest scam in eve the corp taxes that are not displayed as big fat red lines in the journal because if they were I bet many people would leave their corps especially lots of new people that donÆt know anything about the game. All I am saying is that the corp tax should be visible in the wallet with big fat red letters and the only reason to oppose this is of course if you are running a scam
Selene Fenestre Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.10.02 11:39:00 - [89] Originally by: Max Tesla Originally by: Selene Fenestre OP: Its not a scam. If people feel they are being conned by the Corp tax, then perhaps they don't belong in that Corp. They can always set up their own and see how the tax they have been paying helps keep their offices paid for, etc, etc.. My Corp allows all members to view the Corp wallet (though not access) so there is transparency as to where their money is going. The original post. I kind of see your point about not seeing it in your own personal wallet, but its still not a scam. I'm sure that there are some unscrupulous people out there who do embezzle Corp funds, but their reputation will preceed them and they will find it hard to find new members before long. I think its laughable that you say that opposing your theory is supporting scamming, and I suspect that reasoning with you isn't going to work.
Plentimon	Posted - 2007.10.02 11:44:00 - [90] Originally by: Max Tesla There are thousands of thousands of corps and if you take thousands of thousands of corps each scamming millions then the total scam becomes several billions and that is my whole point What you fail to see is that there is more then just one corp in eve and you fail to see the big picture with thousands and thousands of corps scamming thousands and thousands of new people That's entirely irrelevant. You're complaining about the plight of the noobs, but no noob is losing billions of ISK, they're 'losing' a few hundred, maybe a few thousand ISK a day to something that is 1. Self-explanitory and 2. Could be explained in about 5 seconds by anyone on any channel in or out of the corp who has played the game more than 1 hour. If you see something you don't understand, and this applies to really any aspect of the game, but don't bother to ask someone about it for several weeks/months, you don't really have a lot of room to complain about getting scammed.

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