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Max Tesla	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:39:00 - [1] The biggest exploit in eve that CCP totally ignores The biggest exploit is corp taxes! How is this an exploit? Lots of new people join eve everyday and some of them have no clue about anything and then some dude says; hey want to join my corp, and people usually say, why not Now since they are new they have no clue what 10% tax is or 15% tax is, yes they could find out and people could eat less and so many people wouldnÆt be so fat and people could read Chinese if they only studied 100 hours per week etc etc, they wont know that the CEO has stolen so much cash for them for atleast some months before they learn the mechanics of the game The problem with corp tax is that you donÆt really see it in journal it is always green. All npc bounties are all green you donÆt see the npc bounty and the a big fat red line with minus 10 %, no you directly see the calculated 90% So before people understand what is going on and that they have been giving away 10-25% for nothing or peanuts already months have passed and the CEO is laughing all the way to the bank because he was able to scam so many new people to join his corp And some people say well you get help in a human corp bla bla bla, you get more help in a npc corp because there are always more people there and there is always someone willing to help. So this is the biggest scam in eve the corp taxes that are not displayed as big fat red lines in the journal because if they were I bet many people would leave their corps especially lots of new people that donÆt know anything about the game.
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:40:00 - [2] Edited by: General Apocalypse on 01/10/2007 17:40:31 Originally by: Max Tesla STUFF Can i have your stuff , isk , char ? Originally by: CCP Morpheus nerf ccp plz Originally by: CCP Oveur To the gankmobile!
Lt Angus Caldari the united	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:40:00 - [3] Step 1. learn what an exploit is Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Captian Internet Lead Bricks	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:40:00 - [4] right click show info Changes to Local,War ,Navigation Shortcuts
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:42:00 - [5] You're not very smart, are you? --------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X Hey I have an idea: "Let's not endure any more of your spam for the weekend!" Enjoy your time away from our forums.
Thernys Caldari Dark Force Recon	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:44:00 - [6] The things that new people kill do not yield enough bounty to qualify for taxation. By the time the newbies move up to the bigger leagues I would imagine they have realized they're not really getting anything from their corp, if indeed that is the case, and will look for another. If, however, they do feel the corp is worth being in and they get something in return for being in it, then a tax is justified. The tax rate is displayed before one applies, so frankly if you don't care it's 25% and don't ask what it's for, etc, well... that's EVE and you deserved to get scammed out of your 10 newbie ISK. -- ¬Me, ¬now. Quote me and you're sued!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:45:00 - [7] Umm... Wanna join my corporation? My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:46:00 - [8] People tend to figure out tax rates fairly early. They kill a NPC with a listed bounty then wonder why that bounty is less in their wallet. There may be a short period of time before someone figures it out, but how much are they really making then? I don't see it as an issue. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:47:00 - [9] Yes, he is absolutely right. I was many month in a corp with 900 % tax rate before I noticed that for all my NPC kills I had billions over billions of liabilities with CONCORD for all those overpaid bounties. I am totally ruined...
Max Tesla	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:48:00 - [10] Edited by: Max Tesla on 01/10/2007 17:49:42 Edited by: Max Tesla on 01/10/2007 17:49:19 Originally by: Thernys The things that new people kill do not yield enough bounty to qualify for taxation. By the time the newbies move up to the bigger leagues I would imagine they have realized they're not really getting anything from their corp, if indeed that is the case, and will look for another. If, however, they do feel the corp is worth being in and they get something in return for being in it, then a tax is justified. The tax rate is displayed before one applies, so frankly if you don't care it's 25% and don't ask what it's for, etc, well... that's EVE and you deserved to get scammed out of your 10 newbie ISK. WRONG! Missions get taxed as well, only bounties up to 35k donÆt get taxed but missions do. So NO people donÆt know what is going on and people DONÆT deserve to get scammed So what that a window pops up? It says this corp has 10% tax, it might as well be in Korean because when you join eve you hardly know what all of that means and yes you could find out yes that is true and people could also eat less and that would save them money on health care people could do a lot of things.

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:51:00 - [11] Damn, I should definetely increase corp tax from the 2% it's at now ! _ Caldari N.V.T.F. is recruiting...
Dei Amarr Guiders' Of Light	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Max Tesla Edited by: Max Tesla on 01/10/2007 17:49:42 Edited by: Max Tesla on 01/10/2007 17:49:19 Originally by: Thernys The things that new people kill do not yield enough bounty to qualify for taxation. By the time the newbies move up to the bigger leagues I would imagine they have realized they're not really getting anything from their corp, if indeed that is the case, and will look for another. If, however, they do feel the corp is worth being in and they get something in return for being in it, then a tax is justified. The tax rate is displayed before one applies, so frankly if you don't care it's 25% and don't ask what it's for, etc, well... that's EVE and you deserved to get scammed out of your 10 newbie ISK. WRONG! Missions get taxed as well, only bounties up to 35k donÆt get taxed but missions do. So NO people donÆt know what is going on and people DONÆT deserve to get scammed So what that a window pops up? It says this corp has 10% tax, it might as well be in Korean because when you join eve you hardly know what all of that means and yes you could find out yes that is true and people could also eat less and that would save them money on health care people could do a lot of things. What's with you and oriental languages and eating? If you don't use common sense in Eve you won't get far. But someone has to not use it I guess, otherwise there wouldn't be half the demand there is for ships. If it doesn't occur to you to think, "Hm, I get taxed 10% - Hey CEO what does this 10% tax mean?" "Oh, the corp gets 10% off bounties and missions that you do to help fund the corp" then good for you. --- The true master paralyses his opponent, leaving him vulnerable to attack
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:55:00 - [13] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 01/10/2007 17:55:29 Originally by: Akita T Damn, I should definetely increase corp tax from the 2% it's at now ! I've got my corp tax set at 0%, and that's where it will stay until cows come flying through my backside. I believe in corp donations, if anyone wishes to help, not in forced taxation. (Yes i know we have a low count, but we arn't actively recruiting either, but it would stay the same even in a 1000 man corp ) No tax, no demands, no problem. Just a bunch of people with a common goal thrrough unified flying and dying My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:56:00 - [14] Oh, and... scamming, EVE ? Hand, glove. Hmm... fits perfectly. That's's no exploit, sweetcakes. Just stupid people BEING exploited, in some rare cases. I say stupid, because a) you have to be blind to NOT see that "corp tax" thingy and b) you have to be unable to remember each and every damned number when you compare wallet log with bounties claimed Besides, all bounties below 35k per participant are not taxed. If you're already killing larger stuff and not know what corp tax is, you deserve to join one that has it set up to 50% or even 100%. _ Caldari N.V.T.F. is recruiting...
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Max Tesla The problem with corp tax is that you donÆt really see it in journal it is always green. All npc bounties are all green you donÆt see the npc bounty and the a big fat red line with minus 10 %, no you directly see the calculated 90% While I can't agree with your choicce of words, this seems to be true. We have the red minus for transaction tax and mission collateral. Why not for corp tax as well? It won't hurt anyone, and shouldn't be that much work. -------------------------------------------------- I'm a rich person. How I know? I can afford to be a miner.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:57:00 - [16] Originally by: Max Tesla So what that a window pops up? It says this corp has 10% tax, it might as well be in Korean because when you join eve you hardly know what all of that means If you don't know th meaning of 10% tax, then you shouldn't be playing EVE. --------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X Hey I have an idea: "Let's not endure any more of your spam for the weekend!" Enjoy your time away from our forums.
Thernys Caldari Dark Force Recon	Posted - 2007.10.01 17:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Max Tesla Missions get taxed as well, only bounties up to 35k don’t get taxed but missions do. True, but a level 1 mission payout isn't much more than that anyway. And time bonuses are not taxed, if I remember correctly. As stated, anyone who cares enough will either know why they are not getting a full reward, or will promptly find out, losing what, maybe 10k isk total. The sums that move around in the early-game are not large by any measure. Originally by: Max Tesla So what that a window pops up? It says this corp has 10% tax, it might as well be in Korean because when you join eve you hardly know what all of that means and yes you could find out Yes, you could and should find out, or you can only blame yourself. It's like going to a tattoo parlor and wanting some chinese symbol because it looks cool, and then later finding out it means 'I take EVE too seriously and thus will never get laid'. Should've found out. Didn't. Dumb or lazy. Originally by: Max Tesla and people could also eat less and that would save them money on health care people could do a lot of things Yeah. Kind of a strange analogy, but yes, people could 'do a lot of things' like eat less, and they'd be a lot better off. Funny how educating yourself in real life and educating yourself in EVE are both kind of good things. Even if these real world comparisons aren't much appreciated around here. -- ¬Me, ¬now. Quote me and you're sued!
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:00:00 - [18] op : think before threading. thx. 2isk
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Akita T Damn, I should definetely increase corp tax from the 2% it's at now ! I've got my corp tax set at 0%, and that's where it will stay until cows come flying through my backside. I believe in corp donations, if anyone wishes to help, not in forced taxation. We don't ask and generally don't receive ISK corp donations... just junk loot for repro The 2% is there to raise the cash needed to pay the office bills and the occasional manufacture fees for ammo, or loan it out at no interest to corpies in dire need. Who uses the office/hangar in the first place might as well auto-pay a tiny percentage of their income... afterall, most of us are mission-runners, and most run them from the same station, the only one with the high-cost office. _ Caldari N.V.T.F. is recruiting...
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:01:00 - [20] Nice work changing the title from 'Exploit' to 'Scam'. And now the thread makes absolutely no sense, as scamming is allowed by ccp --- Project Mayhem 2

Miss Muck Other World Inc	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:04:00 - [21] who the **** doesnt no what tax is?!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Akita T We don't ask and generally don't receive ISK corp donations... just junk loot for repro The 2% is there to raise the cash needed to pay the office bills and the occasional manufacture fees for ammo, or loan it out at no interest to corpies in dire need. Who uses the office/hangar in the first place might as well auto-pay a tiny percentage of their income... afterall, most of us are mission-runners, and most run them from the same station, the only one with the high-cost office. Ah true true, the 2% is hardly even "noticeable", i just like the 0% policy Be it via what people donate, or from my own pocket, i don't mind the costs to run my own corporation. I guess one could call my corporation a "place to be", instead of a strict, militray force or some such. Just a friendly bunch of silly religious nutters My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:06:00 - [23] We've never made anything but a neglectable sum from taxes. If it's at 50% on the other hand and the corporation all high end hardcore missionrunners then perhaps, just perhaps there would be some gain to be had but as it stands now it's far more of a hassle to run a corporation than to start one for the mere 'scamming' of newcomers you suggest. Also Known As
Shin Schei Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:16:00 - [24] Edited by: Shin Schei on 01/10/2007 18:18:53 Originally by: Thernys Yes, you could and should find out, or you can only blame yourself. It's like going to a tattoo parlor and wanting some chinese symbol because it looks cool, and then later finding out it means 'I take EVE too seriously and thus will never get laid'. Should've found out. Didn't. Dumb or lazy. But the guy said it meant "Lion-hearted". The one that really hurt was my girlfriend's, though. He said it meant "Fidelity", but it turned out to mean "Will do anything to anybody for $2.50." Originally by: Max Tesla So what that a window pops up? It says this corp has 10% tax, it might as well be in Korean because when you join eve you hardly know what all of that means and yes you could find out If the term "10% tax" is like another language to someone, they need more help than CCP could ever provide.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:21:00 - [25] You know "Tax" was invented before EVE. Just an FYI. If you don't know what "10% Tax" means, and don't figure it out after your very first pay cheque, you should probably go play WoW. In fact its probably worth avoiding that too. Best to just avoid human contact from now on. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:22:00 - [26] Originally by: Patch86 If you don't know what "10% Tax" means, and don't figure it out after your very first pay cheque, you should probably go play WoW. In fact its probably worth avoiding that too. Best to just avoid human contact from now on. Hey, there's a form of taxing around WoW too, just not as such. If i remember correctly, you have to pay some sum to put items/commodities for sale and so forth. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Akita T Damn, I should definetely increase corp tax from the 2% it's at now ! Volunteer Task Force dear girl!
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:28:00 - [28] Move on guys nothing to see here. - My Movies
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:30:00 - [29] Tax is an unfair term that only long term Eve players could hope to understand. I agree it's ridiculous to expect new players to get to grips with such a concept and such a linguistically cloaked term that's surely put in game solely with the intention to decieve the true purpose of what it does.
Hurricane	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:30:00 - [30] Run missions with an alt or trade. Done. Not hard to figure out tbh.



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