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HandSoLow	Posted - 2007.10.02 14:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Splagada Docked in Jita LOL! Nice one lol Has anyone ever watched a Sci-Fi Film or TV episode? They 'DO' walk you know? They also visit planets...so anything CCP does for EVE it only makes it better and more realistic. So instead of whinning, sit back in awe
SgtDeaux	Posted - 2007.10.02 14:26:00 - [32] More Ambulation Pictures!!! http://www.sanriotown.com/onlinegame/index.php?s=introduction
Amanita Muscaria	Posted - 2007.10.02 14:28:00 - [33] My first thought was EVE meets KoTOR. I hope it's going to be something like that.
Sixtina KL	Posted - 2007.10.02 14:29:00 - [34] Originally by: Aaron Imaginge committing a crime and and being put in prison for 5 days, you can still log on but you will only see your character chillin in a prison sell. Oh, that's America's Army. My buddy got imprisonned forever in that game 'cause he shot his instructor. __________________________________
Aaron	Posted - 2007.10.02 14:34:00 - [35] Originally by: Sixtina KL Originally by: Aaron Imaginge committing a crime and and being put in prison for 5 days, you can still log on but you will only see your character chillin in a prison sell. Oh, that's America's Army. My buddy got imprisonned forever in that game 'cause he shot his instructor. ermm, whats up with your picture how did u do that? It looks a bit creepy
Vespa Lynn	Posted - 2007.10.02 14:41:00 - [36] Originally by: Kannuk http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=401 the part on combat makes me violently ill. this is a space combat game, complex enough already, this dilution is ridiculous. again its the minority whiner group that gets their way, in this case its the WoW infatuated noobs who think the game isnt immersive enough when they've never stepped foot in lowsec and are still driving noob ships. this game is a strategical rock paper scissors with a multitude of variables, not a WoW clone/fps. Kannuk has been a member of Republic University for all of 6 days and you're linking a dev blog from over a year ago.... GG troll.
Script0r Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.10.02 15:31:00 - [37] I fully support Ambulation, 1 more thing to do when your bored and just circling around your ship.
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:32:00 - [38] Goodbye spinning! Hello jumping!
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.10.02 17:12:00 - [39] Hm i stopped reading halfway cross the title and thought about calling u a troll and asking if i could have ur stuff But then i saw the number of posters and realized someone else has prolly done both allready so nm. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Damon Ra Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.02 17:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Amarria Black Anyone else find it funny that ambulation is basically an engine test for the upcoming White Wolf MMO, which means that *we're now actually paying to beta test two* games?** Funny like a kick to the forehead is funny. Current Tranquility status: SELECT production_code FROM SISI WHERE testers = 'players' AND testers <> 'ccp_staff' AND testing_duration <> 'sufficient';
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.10.02 17:37:00 - [41] Ambulation is fine and all, it may actually be somewhat cool, maybe... But for the love of Christ fix POS warfare, fix the lag with large fleet battles, implement factional warfare and make the game more "fun" again. Right now almost every single bit of Eve seems to be extremely slow, tedious, and time consuming for little to no gain. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Shakuul Caldari O RLY corp YTMND.	Posted - 2007.10.02 20:18:00 - [42] Originally by: Wacoede quit ya whining your not going to change anything now ambulation is coming get used to it you don't have to use it as has been stated many times Nobody has to use it, but it still drains developer time that could probably be better spent (say, by adding combat features, or station features, or more stuff IN SPACE). The article about "mission creep" seemed informative. Stations could introduce a whole new class of bugs without adding all that much to the game. Originally by: XenoPagan wow, talk about a case of ancient whining this ambulation thing has been trolled and dissected over and over long time ago. you missed your train, ambulation is coming like it or not. This is sort of a non-response to the OP. He says "New feature X is a bad thing" and you respond "New feature X is coming if you like it or not," a point which is totally irrelevant to the merits of feature X. Originally by: Jinx Barker What it will do is add a further personalized identification to the members of the community; something which is extremely important in the cookie-cutter world of EVE spaceships. It will provide that additional "anchor" to those in game who are acutely aware of the disjointness of EVE, and how odd it is to have one represented as a "space-ship." Humans are extremely conscious of their own representation, even in virtual environments. I think Ambulation will add to the ongoing success of EVE in the long run. Even if there will be no fighting within stations, having a corporate HQ/Common Room, or just a version of a pub to spend those long hours being camped in is an excellent idea. Finally a legitimate point/response to the OP, and a good one. If ambulation does in fact turn out well I think you're right, having human avatars is a vital part of an MMORPG and it does seem strange to just be floating around in spaceships.
Docteur Xentav Minmatar Varietas Acquisition	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:28:00 - [43] Originally by: Shakuul Originally by: Wacoede quit ya whining your not going to change anything now ambulation is coming get used to it you don't have to use it as has been stated many times Nobody has to use it, but it still drains developer time that could probably be better spent (say, by adding combat features, or station features, or more stuff IN SPACE). The article about "mission creep" seemed informative. Stations could introduce a whole new class of bugs without adding all that much to the game. Thats all fine except as has been mentioned hundreds of times before the developers that are working on ambulation would be working on it reguardless of it being used in eve or not. Its for the whitewolf mmo, we basically are getting a new feature for our game *without* it being at the expense of our dev's. We're basically getting something for nothing in this deal, something that wont screw with the rest of the game will be entirely passive, wont be forced on you. And before someone drones on about fire the ambulation dev's and hire bug fixing dev's, you might like to read this Moar dev's doesn't necessarily make it go faster Eve online players: Ready to have a hissy fit anywhere anytime at the drop of a hat (not directed at the quoted people ^^)
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Docteur Xentav Originally by: Shakuul Originally by: Wacoede quit ya whining your not going to change anything now ambulation is coming get used to it you don't have to use it as has been stated many times Nobody has to use it, but it still drains developer time that could probably be better spent (say, by adding combat features, or station features, or more stuff IN SPACE). The article about "mission creep" seemed informative. Stations could introduce a whole new class of bugs without adding all that much to the game. Thats all fine except as has been mentioned hundreds of times before the developers that are working on ambulation would be working on it reguardless of it being used in eve or not. Its for the whitewolf mmo, we basically are getting a new feature for our game *without* it being at the expense of our dev's. We're basically getting something for nothing in this deal, something that wont screw with the rest of the game will be entirely passive, wont be forced on you. And before someone drones on about fire the ambulation dev's and hire bug fixing dev's, you might like to read this Moar dev's doesn't necessarily make it go faster Eve online players: Ready to have a hissy fit anywhere anytime at the drop of a hat (not directed at the quoted people ^^) A reasoned and logical response? In the EVE-O forums? Its more likely than you think.
Seviche Phoenix	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Kannuk http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=401 the part on combat makes me violently ill. this is a space combat game, complex enough already, this dilution is ridiculous. again its the minority whiner group that gets their way, in this case its the WoW infatuated noobs who think the game isnt immersive enough when they've never stepped foot in lowsec and are still driving noob ships. this game is a strategical rock paper scissors with a multitude of variables, not a WoW clone/fps. You didn't really read the article you linked to, did you. Quote: Combat is a pandoraÆs box of problems. If we introduce combat we need some sort of combat system. Now knowing EVE players, itÆs very likely they wonÆt settle for a simple combat system. They want to train skills, combine equipment, use tactics and multi-pronged attack manouvers. This sort of system is hugely complex. ThereÆs also the issue of security, security status, CONCORD etc. Plus the issue of cloning, skill loss etc. I think itÆs frank to say that there will not be life-threatening combat in the first release of this project. WeÆve toyed with the idea of never being able to kill someone, only ôwound them seriously" so that the docbots at the medical bay can patch you together to your same self, because you didnÆt receive any brain damage. Hence no skill loss. But that still requires a system for combat. -Do we want to create a new MMPORG inside an existing MMPORG? Well, weÆre halfway there with putting you in stations. But the short answer is: no combat to begin with. Hyperbole much?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.03 00:18:00 - [46] I promised myself I would not click this thread when it appeared by not letting it die you have forced me to lie to myself I hate you all Originally by: Akita T No, it's a trap ! I can tell from some of the modules and from seeing quite a few traps in my time...
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.03 01:33:00 - [47] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 03/10/2007 01:35:37 Originally by: Shurikane Originally by: MrTripps Namely I'd like to board a ship and take it over instead of just pop it. Making hand to hand combat on ships removes many of the issues with putting combat in stations. Pop in your Serious Sam CD. A Megathron has a crew of 3000 persons. Not to mention the fact that since you are out of your pod, death means you loose your char. Hopefully it will change the spate of stupid looking avatars lol. Then again, maybe not. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.10.03 18:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Aaron Walking in stations is a great addition to the game, the developers are trying hard to create something that is viewed as an experience rather that just a game. Im all for it, some of the pictures of the interior of the stations are great it just reminded me of star trek, star wars, and firefly all mixed together. Walking in stations will add a more in depth role playing feel to eve, they could even have npc missions that involve walking around a station repairing stuff, or solving a murder mystery, with the reward being extra standing and loyalty points. Hand to Hand combat could also be a possibility. Keep up the good work ccp :) Just thought I would like to point out from the bio of this character you are 5.0 sec status (loves to kill NPCs or run missions) and it appears that you have jumped in and out of the same corporation many times (alt corp to avoid wardec/pvp?) So it's understandable that you and your kind like the idea of ambulation, but for those of us who love being IN SPACE even SHOOTING PEOPLE it will bring very little. It will make life outside of the station even more dull. I thought EVE was great because of community driven content on top of the spaceship layer, i.e.: - ingame browser mini-games - roleplaying wars (seriously) - various online shops (naga, big, etc) - chribba's community sites - various additional plotting tools (<3 grismar) - meeting people who live on the other side of the RL planet - spying and scheming Probably a lot more things I haven't mentioned. Why is ambulation different? Unlike all of the above it takes away from the core of EVE which is internet spaceships. This is something that will be fun for a lot of people to get into EVE and play, instead of their internet spaceships. I predict space will become even less exciting when this feature comes in. Previous things that have made space less exciting: HP buffers (more blobs), WTZ (ship size is irrelevant now), Polycarbs (oh look, rapier decloaked and he MWD'd 50km before I could get a lock) and local standings (oh, red in local, better warp to POS and hope that he doesn't scan me out, warp to me, lock and scramble me in the 10 seconds it takes to align!) I'm not bitter, just puttin' this all on the record so I can say "I told you so.." if I am right. I still have a good ammount of fun, enough to keep me happy for now. So no, you cannot have my stuff.
Trishan Green Men Incorporated	Posted - 2007.10.03 19:15:00 - [49] Some observations: - What's the point of ambulation if there's no consequences? You can't dance the mararena because its a dark and grim world, yet you can't shoot each other. - They may say it doesn't take resources and manpower from the fixing / enhancing dept, but the truth is that CCP has a development budget. Some of that has been asigned to ambulation instead of the main client. - If it happens to attract new people one can only imagine the amount of whining that will come from those. The forums are already bad enough.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.03 19:17:00 - [50] This thread was braindead before it left the womb, it's not gonna stop drooling no matter how much we read to it. ------------ Whiners - Unite! \| Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist.
Aaron	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:31:00 - [51] Originally by: Awox Just thought I would like to point out from the bio of this character you are 5.0 sec status (loves to kill NPCs or run missions) and it appears that you have jumped in and out of the same corporation many times (alt corp to avoid wardec/pvp?) Your logic is ill, to answer your question, no, it was not to avoid wardec or pvp. I did it to leave my alt in charge while my main joined other corps to travel around. Walking in stations will improve the "feel" of eve weather your a miner, suicide ganker, or mission runner. Originally by: Awox Probably a lot more things I haven't mentioned. Why is ambulation different? Unlike all of the above it takes away from the core of EVE which is internet spaceships. I completly disagree with your statement, Walking in stations will not take anything away from eve, its a simple case of if you dont want to walk in stations, dont. All CCP are trying to do is create a realistic view of a distant future, ambulation will simply add to this.
La5eR	Posted - 2007.10.03 23:00:00 - [52] I think therell be new skills thatll be rank .5 or something in ways of gunnery and navigation to increase running speed as well as hand-guns. Who knows if CCP makes this aspect good then I see no reason not to have "holo-decks" where corpmates can spar in an FPS like arena.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.10.04 04:29:00 - [53] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Awox Just thought I would like to point out from the bio of this character you are 5.0 sec status (loves to kill NPCs or run missions) and it appears that you have jumped in and out of the same corporation many times (alt corp to avoid wardec/pvp?) Your logic is ill, to answer your question, no, it was not to avoid wardec or pvp. I did it to leave my alt in charge while my main joined other corps to travel around. Just basing on experience. I know for a fact your alliance's idea of PvP is sit in the POS until you outnumber 5:1 (and then bring in allies too).. so at least if I am wrong about you being a war hopper I take pleasure in knowning you will not enjoy ambulation in your Providence/Catch POS towers Originally by: Aaron Walking in stations will improve the "feel" of eve weather your a miner, suicide ganker, or mission runner. No, you're* wrong. I don't even dock in stations if I can help it, when I do I stay there as little as possible. What does this bring for the nomads fo EVE? Oh right, sweet ** all. Originally by:** Aaron Originally by: Awox Probably a lot more things I haven't mentioned. Why is ambulation different? Unlike all of the above it takes away from the core of EVE which is internet spaceships. I completly disagree with your statement, Walking in stations will not take anything away from eve, its a simple case of if you dont want to walk in stations, dont. All CCP are trying to do is create a realistic view of a distant future, ambulation will simply add to this. In 0.0 for example, one side will have it and the other side will not. That's an extreme example, but you and I both know people will spend a lot of time in this, and that's a lot less time outside the station. so how can you conclude that it wont take anything away from EVE? Of course it is going to take away something from EVE. If you cannot see that there is no hope for you my friend.
SexehGallente Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.10.04 04:36:00 - [54] I just hope we can tie down naked achura females and whip them.
Mallick Northern Intelligence Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.10.04 04:49:00 - [55] http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/eve/
Mallick Northern Intelligence Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.10.04 04:58:00 - [56] Quote: Now knowing EVE players, itÆs very likely they wonÆt settle for a simple combat system. They want to train skills, combine equipment, use tactics and multi-pronged attack manouvers. I didn't know the DEV's were THAT clueless! YES, INTRODUCE 60 NEW SKILLS PLEASE BECAUSE WE WANT IT NOW!
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.10.04 06:59:00 - [57] Originally by: Tortun Nahme I promised myself I would not click this thread when it appeared by not letting it die you have forced me to lie to myself I hate you all lmfao Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
Aaron	Posted - 2007.10.04 10:43:00 - [58] Originally by: Awox Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Awox Just thought I would like to point out from the bio of this character you are 5.0 sec status (loves to kill NPCs or run missions) and it appears that you have jumped in and out of the same corporation many times (alt corp to avoid wardec/pvp?) Your logic is ill, to answer your question, no, it was not to avoid wardec or pvp. I did it to leave my alt in charge while my main joined other corps to travel around. Just basing on experience. I know for a fact your alliance's idea of PvP is sit in the POS until you outnumber 5:1 (and then bring in allies too).. so at least if I am wrong about you being a war hopper I take pleasure in knowning you will not enjoy ambulation in your Providence/Catch POS towers Originally by: Aaron Walking in stations will improve the "feel" of eve weather your a miner, suicide ganker, or mission runner. No, you're* wrong. I don't even dock in stations if I can help it, when I do I stay there as little as possible. What does this bring for the nomads fo EVE? Oh right, sweet ** all. Originally by:** Aaron Originally by: Awox Probably a lot more things I haven't mentioned. Why is ambulation different? Unlike all of the above it takes away from the core of EVE which is internet spaceships. I completly disagree with your statement, Walking in stations will not take anything away from eve, its a simple case of if you dont want to walk in stations, dont. All CCP are trying to do is create a realistic view of a distant future, ambulation will simply add to this. In 0.0 for example, one side will have it and the other side will not. That's an extreme example, but you and I both know people will spend a lot of time in this, and that's a lot less time outside the station. so how can you conclude that it wont take anything away from EVE? Of course it is going to take away something from EVE. If you cannot see that there is no hope for you my friend. , As ive said before your logic is ill, the bottom line for every single eve player is that they have to undock and perfom some sort of task, weather it be mining, ganking, missions etc, if this is not done they wont make any isk, thats a fact. Ambulation will not take anything from eve, simply because it is everyones objective to make isk, and in order to do this you MUST undock. I know that ambulation will not affect the number of pilots in space at all. If a player was to simply log on to eve and never undock because their just walking round a station how would they ever accomplish anything? And why you pass judgement on how my alliance does pvp is silly, you talk as if there is a rule book that specifies how an alliance must fight when faced with a pvp sitiuation. The end result for any pvp is the destruction of the enemy ship(s), As long as this is acheived without using exploits, or breaking EULA, there is no problem. So my dear friend, it appears that there is no hope for you.

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