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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.05 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 05/10/2007 05:20:35
Anyone have any tips for nailing these guys, do I just need to get lucky and nab em in a belt with them targetted by rats so they cant cloak instead of having to warp off?
Any ships that would be better suited to this (interceptor / cruiser).
Having a bugger of a time trying to catch em.
I need to get faster at scanning :(
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Voodoo'sMother
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Posted - 2007.10.05 06:22:00 -
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Get a good covert ops ALT . Oh and get lucky ! 
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.05 06:34:00 -
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just nailed one ^_^
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Hypothetical
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.10.05 06:39:00 -
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From my experiences with them, you need luck. Most of them will fit 2 warp core stabs, in addition to logging at the first sign of trouble (ie you entering local).
I've had luck with a Myrmidon fitted with 2x 7.5km warp scramblers. Since they all fit WCS, they have to warp at the belts at 0 since their targeting ranges are crap, meaning your 7.5km scrams are plenty to lock them down. And of course they can't tank once you catch them, EM drones (or whatever, they really can't tank) will rip them apart. This only works if the gate you come in from is within scan range and you're good with the scanner though, otherwise they'll be gone.
Now, the smart ones just warp or log as soon as local goes up, only thing to do here is see which belt they log in, warp there, log yourself, and get lucky and log back on while they're finishing that same belt. Basically, it can't be done until CCP does something about logging to avoid PvP or cloaks.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.05 07:21:00 -
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Both of the ones i hunt regularly fit 0 stabs neither log either the wrinkle is that the systems they rat in are hard to scan quickly with the ship scanner giving them time to cloak in belt or warp.
To bad for this latest guy he thought warping to his safe but not cloaking would be enough....
fail.
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Viral Effect
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:46:00 -
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The fact that he can avoid you is a great part of eve. If a pilot wants to avoid pvp with you then the mechanics should be there for him to do so and in this case they are. A raven ratting at a belt with a ratting fitted ship will more than likely avoid pvp for this reason. This isnt farming.
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Pedronicus
Caldari
The Chaotic Order
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:56:00 -
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Just get lucky, fit more than one scram and even if they escape just keep the system they are in occupied most of the time either by you or some fellow friends, this should derail their morale and they may leave.
Once they are scrambled it's easy i even once killed a ratting raven with a BC ofc i got lucky and caught him in first belt i searched for him at zero warp in point.
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Lysian Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.05 11:47:00 -
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Probably all you can really do is cloak in the top belt and wait for him to get tired of hiding. Then jump him when he starts ratting again.
I've been lucky so far. The couple of times I've found ratting farmers, I guess they weren't paying attn to local. Had enough time to scan down their belt and warp in.
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.10.05 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 05/10/2007 19:35:59
If they are logging off I would try to to guess where they logged and put down a bubble. Then have someone waiting for them. You need to be pretty lucky to kill one of these bastards. If they simply ss and cloak when you enter local it is damned hard to kill one.
CCP really needs to make it so non cov-ops cloaks can be probed out.
 Originally by: Viral Effect
The fact that he can avoid you is a great part of eve. If a pilot wants to avoid pvp with you then the mechanics should be there for him to do so and in this case they are. A raven ratting at a belt with a ratting fitted ship will more than likely avoid pvp for this reason. This isnt farming.
Tripple fail.
A. There is no such thing as "pvp" FFS.
B. There should never be a way to avoid combat in a video game, as fighting and killing is the sole point.
C. This is a Chinese farmer, not an actual player.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.07 01:44:00 -
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Try a dual-scram fitted cov ops shortly followed by a real combat ship (probably with a remote rep to keep your cov ops alive).
Too bad you can't fit a cov ops cloak on a stealth bomber-the farmer-slaughtering abilities of these ships would be epic.
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.07 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 05/10/2007 19:35:59
If they are logging off I would try to to guess where they logged and put down a bubble. Then have someone waiting for them. You need to be pretty lucky to kill one of these bastards. If they simply ss and cloak when you enter local it is damned hard to kill one.
CCP really needs to make it so non cov-ops cloaks can be probed out.
Originally by: Viral Effect
The fact that he can avoid you is a great part of eve. If a pilot wants to avoid pvp with you then the mechanics should be there for him to do so and in this case they are. A raven ratting at a belt with a ratting fitted ship will more than likely avoid pvp for this reason. This isnt farming.
Tripple fail.
A. There is no such thing as "pvp" FFS.
B. There should never be a way to avoid combat in a video game, as fighting and killing is the sole point.
C. This is a Chinese farmer, not an actual player.
I vote this "NEWB" to the idiot wagon, this game is not only a PvP game so if you wish
to avoid it, it's your call.
How in the hell do you know first off, he is Chinesse second he is macro ratting?
BTW farming is something 95% of the player base do, some rat,mission,camp,roam for the only purpose
to "farm" the loot.
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Winters Chill
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.10.07 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: hellsknights
I vote this "NEWB" to the idiot wagon, this game is not only a PvP game so if you wish
to avoid it, it's your call.
How in the hell do you know first off, he is Chinesse second he is macro ratting?
BTW farming is something 95% of the player base do, some rat,mission,camp,roam for the only purpose
to "farm" the loot.
I agree. It seems when ever a non-carbear comes on these forums to whine everyone has "macro" or "farmer" in thier adjectives, as if it somehow justifys ruthless behaviour(Your allowed to gank/kill anyone, you don't need an excuse).
Just because people play the game in a way different from you (eg not buying ETC for isk) doesn't mean that they are:
a) from asia
or
b) a macro farmer
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.07 11:13:00 -
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i tend to just bump them from aligning anywhere.
oh, and a pilgrim works ok, if you can catch them off guard, but I tend to only go after torp-using ravens, since cruise missles hurt a bit too much for my tastes.
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mallina
Caldari
Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.07 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Winters Chill
Originally by: hellsknights
I vote this "NEWB" to the idiot wagon, this game is not only a PvP game so if you wish
to avoid it, it's your call.
How in the hell do you know first off, he is Chinesse second he is macro ratting?
BTW farming is something 95% of the player base do, some rat,mission,camp,roam for the only purpose
to "farm" the loot.
I agree. It seems when ever a non-carbear comes on these forums to whine everyone has "macro" or "farmer" in thier adjectives, as if it somehow justifys ruthless behaviour(Your allowed to gank/kill anyone, you don't need an excuse).
Just because people play the game in a way different from you (eg not buying ETC for isk) doesn't mean that they are:
a) from asia
or
b) a macro farmer
Sometimes it's obvious though. When you go to 0.0, see a Raven briefly that immediately warps off and cloaks when you enter the system, who's about a year old, in the starting school, with a name like "Xiao15663" then it's quite a convincing sign.
I shared a system with a Farmer once when I was trying to get my Sec Status back up, it took him about 2 days until he decided to uncloak and start NPCing with me in system, but he did. And started doing it 23/7.
Angry that my spawns were being taken, I tried to bump him out of alignment whilst he was being shot up but failed to kill him and he just returned to his Safespot, but forgot to cloak. (he had always cloaked previously)
His SS was inbetween 2 planets so I just made BMs between them until I got on the same Grid as him. I had a point this time too, so was ready for the kill - Got within range, scrambled him and... he warped 
angry at this waste of time, I proceeded to kill all the Giant Secure Containers he had gathered there, which probably contained Ammo seeing as I never saw him looting. He left the system and I never saw him again.
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Doppler Shift
Red 42
Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2007.10.08 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Tripple fail.
A. There is no such thing as "pvp" FFS.
B. There should never be a way to avoid combat in a video game, as fighting and killing is the sole point.
C. This is a Chinese farmer, not an actual player.
Spelling fail. Premise fail. Logic fail.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.13 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Winters Chill
Originally by: hellsknights
I vote this "NEWB" to the idiot wagon, this game is not only a PvP game so if you wish
to avoid it, it's your call.
How in the hell do you know first off, he is Chinesse second he is macro ratting?
BTW farming is something 95% of the player base do, some rat,mission,camp,roam for the only purpose
to "farm" the loot.
I agree. It seems when ever a non-carbear comes on these forums to whine everyone has "macro" or "farmer" in thier adjectives, as if it somehow justifys ruthless behaviour(Your allowed to gank/kill anyone, you don't need an excuse).
Just because people play the game in a way different from you (eg not buying ETC for isk) doesn't mean that they are:
a) from asia
or
b) a macro farmer
I think it was the smack in chinese characters he was throwing out at me gave it away... you know the whole not speaking english thing.
And COME ON.... spamming chinese characters + cloaking raven + ratting all day everyday... tell me how hes NOT a chinese farmer again?
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waferzankko
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.13 01:31:00 -
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pretend your an isk farmer and then strike back at them when they least expect it.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.10.13 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Viral Effect
The fact that he can avoid you is a great part of eve. If a pilot wants to avoid pvp with you then the mechanics should be there for him to do so and in this case they are. A raven ratting at a belt with a ratting fitted ship will more than likely avoid pvp for this reason. This isnt farming.
How very very sad
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Originally by: Jeximo
I also like how your cat only managed to hit the enter button when he/she jumped on your keyboard.
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Kzool
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:34:00 -
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I killed like 20-25 ravens already in 1-2 months
The trick is - you have to live there as well, they become used to you, they become more relaxed and from time to time they do mistakes.
Try to ruin their boosted system, kill all NPC self so they'll agro you. If they dont - leave system and let them boost it again, come there and ruin it again. It made "my" chineese to attack me :)
And sometimes, if you live with them for a long time, weird things can happen.
Check, for example, my story :)
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=601388
Anyway, you cant do your hunting fast. Hunting farmers takes time :)
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ViolenTUK
Gallente
Vindicated Exiles
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kzool
Edited by: Kzool on 13/10/2007 18:38:52
I killed like 20-25 ravens already in 1-2 months
The trick is - you have to live there as well, they become used to you, they become more relaxed and from time to time they do mistakes.
Try to ruin their boosted system, kill all NPC self so they'll agro you. If they dont - leave system and let them boost it again, come there and ruin it again. It made "my" chineese to attack me :)
More alts you have - better. Try to spread alts in nearby systems, that prevent them to hunt and makes angry.
And sometimes, if you live with them for a long time, weird things can happen.
Check, for example, my story :)
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=601388
Anyway, you cant do your hunting fast. Hunting farmers takes time :)
Its great to hear someone on these forums telling us that they can do it rather than hearing the whiners say that they cant. We dont want whiners turning eve to eve on easy mode.
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Scott Ryder
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.10.13 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus
just nailed one ^_^
i am surpriced
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Freaky Reaky
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Posted - 2007.10.13 21:45:00 -
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Put some General Tso's Chicken in a can at a belt and cloak 15k from the can. He'll get hungry eventually....
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AnarkiTheStorm
FM Corp
Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.10.14 11:38:00 -
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wait for the next patch and cloaks to get nerfed
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ViolenTUK
Gallente
Vindicated Exiles
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Posted - 2007.10.14 19:38:00 -
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I would say that nerfing cloaks would be impossible as cloaking has been nerfed as far as it can realistically can be. However the art of "nerfing" is ccps speciality. 
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Saint Luka
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.14 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Viral Effect
The fact that he can avoid you is a great part of eve. If a pilot wants to avoid pvp with you then the mechanics should be there for him to do so and in this case they are. A raven ratting at a belt with a ratting fitted ship will more than likely avoid pvp for this reason. This isnt farming.
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Was that an attempt at purposefull flamebait or are you just new too this game?
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civdariri
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Posted - 2007.10.14 21:02:00 -
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Sounds like a plausible use of game mechanics.
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MassonA
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.14 21:33:00 -
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the farmers that live in fade routinely bring their unstabbed haulers and ravens through our home system
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Faekurias
Federation Fleet
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.10.14 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 05/10/2007 19:35:59
If they are logging off I would try to to guess where they logged and put down a bubble. Then have someone waiting for them. You need to be pretty lucky to kill one of these bastards. If they simply ss and cloak when you enter local it is damned hard to kill one.
CCP really needs to make it so non cov-ops cloaks can be probed out.
Originally by: Viral Effect
The fact that he can avoid you is a great part of eve. If a pilot wants to avoid pvp with you then the mechanics should be there for him to do so and in this case they are. A raven ratting at a belt with a ratting fitted ship will more than likely avoid pvp for this reason. This isnt farming.
Tripple fail.
A. There is no such thing as "pvp" FFS.
B. There should never be a way to avoid combat in a video game, as fighting and killing is the sole point.
C. This is a Chinese farmer, not an actual player.
That was something like "instant macaroni", only that it was "instant failure".
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2007.10.14 23:16:00 -
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actually i see no need to actually kill the ravens, i can just ask in local for 100m isk just to leave the system, about 1/4 of the time they pay, thats if they are logged on.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
War Dawgs
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Posted - 2007.10.14 23:23:00 -
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if your so concerned about these so caled isk farmers then fine make it hard for them to rat.
I have two in the system i am using to rep my sec status. Richard 01 and Johnson 01, while they have both been in "known" isk farming corps I just make the trouble harder for him/them.
I found 4 giant secure cans at a planet 2 of each belonging to the pilots. now they are canless thanks to 2 hours and me being bored ****less with reppng my sec status.
And yes we all farm to a degree. be it farming ships at a gate ( gate camp ) or going from belt to belt increasing ones sec status....
shall i give you 12,357,322 matches and 2 tonnes of pva glue now or later? ( so you can build your bridge and get over it )
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WildSide
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.15 00:04:00 -
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I tested another metode.
As "my farmers" in gem seem to go to SS and cloak/logg all the time...but relogged in now and then to check if I was gone.
If I left local for 10min and came back I would find the 2 farming ravens was happlie ratting again.
So I after some days of hit and runs getting a few kills...they starting getting very fast at cloaking. So I startd putting up anchoring bubbles in the belts....however I could only use small ones and it was damn many belts so unless u got very good time and m3 its not worth doing.
But if ure rly rly rly ****ed off... I would recommend...putting either medium or large bubble in all the belts...(pray no gank squads pass by while u put em up,) then leave local for some min...and hope the farmer log in and warps to the belt to rat...:D...hopfully ure able to warp inn on him before he have killed all the rats..=hes still locked by the rats= he cant cloak.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.15 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 15/10/2007 00:09:45
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad
bunch of meh'
Yes we all farm isk, but I suspected these guys of farming isk to sell for real money, which is against the eula is it not? Can I prove it? Not really.
Two different types of farming man, but glad you could at least attempt a weak flame out of it.
edit: for tense as I annoyed the **** out of these guys so much I made 4 of them leave Tribute completely.
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6Bagheera9
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.10.15 03:19:00 -
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Your typical isk farmer flies a torp raven with a cloak, 2 WCS
and is tanked only for the rats. Some of the stupid ones might neglect the stabs or the cloak; but its best to assume that you'll need at least 3 points or a dictor to catch them. You'll also need to assume that you only have a window of about 20 seconds after entering system before they cloak up at a SS. In higher traffic systems, you'll typically have a little more time as the farmers don't like having to drop everything they are doing every time a shuttle goes by. Here are some effective tactics that I've learned over the years.
1. Reacon + HAC: Recon jumps into system, cloaks and begins to scan them out while the HAC waits next door. Farmers use their scanners too and will sometimes hesitate to bail if they don't see anything. The geometry of the system and how fast you can pinpoint which belt they are in are the biggest factors here. If you don't catch before they cloak/logg, you may get a second chance by having the recon go afk while cloaked at a SS. After an hour or so of inactivity, the farmers may decide to risk ratting again. Now you are able to scan them down at your leisure as they have no way of knowing that you're no longer afk. If and when you've scanned out the farmer, just put the points on him and call in the HAC to provide the necessary dps. RSDs are often handy here to minimize the risk to the recon. Dictors and covert ops may be substituted for the recon, but are less effective for various reasons (unless of course the farmer doesn't have a cloak fitted and you can probe him out.)
Dictor Belt Camp: Just have a dictor sit cloaked in a belt a little off the warp in point. If you stay in the system for awhile, the farmers are likely to get used to you and then its just a matter of time before one lands in your belt. Make sure to have the needed dps on call should catch one.
Belt Rush: You'll need a gang of ceptors/dictors/nanoships for this. Once your scout has located a system with farmers, have everyone jump in at once and each separately warp to the belt that corresponds to the position of their name in the gang window (i.e. first person warps to top belt, 2nd person warps to the next belt, etc.)
Aggressive Ratting: Simply make it a corp/alliance policy to follow isk farmers around and rat in whatever system they are trying to rat in. Worst case is that they get frustrated and eventually leave the area. But sometimes you'll get lucky and they'll try to fight you (exactly what you want), make sure you have some friends nearby to bail you out if things go bad (farmers will typically attack in groups of 2-3 should they decide to fight.) Carry a cyno and drop a carrier on them for extra epic lawls. It is also sometimes possible to flush farmers from systems and into gate camps, but this is hard to set-up and more a matter of luck and good intel on their movements.
Probe and Pop: Farmers typically keep their ammo and loot in GSCs at SSs and often leave haulers and the occasional frig there too. You can scan down these ships and destroy both them and whatever secure cans are also there (check to see if they're locked first.) Also make a point to gank their haulers while they're trying to move ammo or loot. Often you'll get several K of ratting ammo and sometimes phat lewt.
The real key to ganking farmers is persistence. If you just keep harassing and killing them on a regular basis, they will get fed up and leave. At a certain point it is simply no longer profitable for them to rat in your space and economics will deliver the Coup de Gras that no cheap set-ups or lame play tactics can save them from. You wouldn't tolerate roaches in your kitchen, don't tolerate farmers in your space. Fly safe.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Badboris on 15/10/2007 11:57:02
Originally by: Doppler Shift
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Tripple fail.
A. There is no such thing as "pvp" FFS.
B. There should never be a way to avoid combat in a video game, as fighting and killing is the sole point.
C. This is a Chinese farmer, not an actual player.
Spelling fail. Premise fail. Logic fail.
I'm amazed you can ***** about someone else's spelling while using such bad grammar.
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.15 15:05:00 -
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i had one not notice me a few days ago, i scanned him at a belt and just as i was about to click warp to zero he came out of warp right at me, he spotted me then though and logged, my crow couldn't lock him for the 30 seconds it took him to align and he made off. Kept logging on and off to get away from the belt too, or to check if i was still there waiting for him.
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6Bagheera9
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
i had one not notice me a few days ago, i scanned him at a belt and just as i was about to click warp to zero he came out of warp right at me, he spotted me then though and logged, my crow couldn't lock him for the 30 seconds it took him to align and he made off. Kept logging on and off to get away from the belt too, or to check if i was still there waiting for him.
Unless you use 7.5km scrams you're not gonna be able to catch a farmer in a crow, and you certainly won't be able to break his tank.
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Strife Phoenix
Acerbus Vindictum
Nex Super Vos
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Posted - 2007.10.17 10:10:00 -
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But you could hold him down until your friends get there.. even if they are on the other side of empire..
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.17 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: 6Bagheera9
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
i had one not notice me a few days ago, i scanned him at a belt and just as i was about to click warp to zero he came out of warp right at me, he spotted me then though and logged, my crow couldn't lock him for the 30 seconds it took him to align and he made off. Kept logging on and off to get away from the belt too, or to check if i was still there waiting for him.
Unless you use 7.5km scrams you're not gonna be able to catch a farmer in a crow, and you certainly won't be able to break his tank.
the point of my post was i couldn't lock him, a 2pt scrambler is useless if i can't lock him. Which is abit of a ****ty bit of game mechanic. I had plenty of backup coming out ontop of him as he was entering warp and i was helpless to stop him.
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6Bagheera9
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.10.17 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
Originally by: 6Bagheera9
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
i had one not notice me a few days ago, i scanned him at a belt and just as i was about to click warp to zero he came out of warp right at me, he spotted me then though and logged, my crow couldn't lock him for the 30 seconds it took him to align and he made off. Kept logging on and off to get away from the belt too, or to check if i was still there waiting for him.
Unless you use 7.5km scrams you're not gonna be able to catch a farmer in a crow, and you certainly won't be able to break his tank.
the point of my post was i couldn't lock him, a 2pt scrambler is useless if i can't lock him. Which is abit of a ****ty bit of game mechanic. I had plenty of backup coming out ontop of him as he was entering warp and i was helpless to stop him.
He got lucky then and hit ctrl+q before he had fully exited warp. With the help of a little lagg this could have contributed to you not being able to lock him. My advice is to keep going after him, his luck will run out.
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